The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

14-04-2021 1:08am

The auld Abú system is now up on the internet for us all to have a look at.

skimpydoo · 14-04-2021 1:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

The auld Abú system is now up on the internet for us all to have a look at.

Care to share a link?

markodaly · 14-04-2021 1:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

The auld Abú system is now up on the internet for us all to have a look at.

If indeed it is available online, SF have turned a Data Protection scandel into an outright criminal offence and crime.

Heads should roll for this and the Gardai should leave no stone unturned to see who is responsible.

14-04-2021 2:04am

If SF breach a load of GDPR rules, its everyone else's fault for not stopping them.

When they are caught, its someone's fault for ratting on them.

If you mention it in here, its your fault for picking on them.

SF want responsibility for the country and yet are never seemingly responsible for even their own behaviour.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 7:45am

Trying to find an update on this story. Is there one? Any links?

maccored · 14-04-2021 9:32am

christ, this really is gossip hour

maccored · 14-04-2021 9:36am

A Sinn Fein spokesperson said the only data their representatives hold "is information they are given by constituents".

"The party fully complies with Facebook's terms of service. We are also fully compliant with regulations concerning the use of the electoral register for exclusively electoral purposes."

Just so I get this right - people are complaining because SF use Facebook the way advertisers do, and supplement what they have with what is already publicly available - and people on here are on about GDPR?

I think a few people need to do a course on what GDPR means

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 10:00am

Deleted User wrote: »

If SF breach a load of GDPR rules, its everyone else's fault for not stopping them.

When they are caught, its someone's fault for ratting on them.

If you mention it in here, its your fault for picking on them.

SF want responsibility for the country and yet are never seemingly responsible for even their own behaviour.

This post should be bookmarked and taken out the next time another scandal hits Sinn Fein as it will be as true then as it is now.

I couldn't have summed it up better.

Brendan Bendar · 14-04-2021 10:06am

costacorta wrote: »

What a great country we could have if you could get rid of SF and the DUP and put them out on some island somewhere and take their bigotry with them ..

There’s a nice property on the Eastern end of Cuba which might suit..

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 10:17am

maccored wrote: »

Just so I get this right - people are complaining because SF use Facebook the way advertisers do, and supplement what they have with what is already publicly available - and people on here are on about GDPR?

I think a few people need to do a course on what GDPR means

So this story has been raised by Leo's biographer, questions have been asked, Sinn Fein say they are compliant, is that it?

Has there been any more on it, other than opinions?

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 11:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So this story has been raised by Leo's biographer, questions have been asked, Sinn Fein say they are compliant, is that it?

Has there been any more on it, other than opinions?

https://www.dataprotection.ie/sites/default/files/uploads/2018-11/Canvassing%20Elected%20Reps%20FINAL.pdf

"TRANSPARENCY
If you collect information directly from constituents whether in person or otherwise, you must be transparent about your use of their personal data by providing them with information on:
who you are and how you can be contacted; why you’re collecting their data; who you’ll share it with; how long you’ll keep it; that the legal basis for this processing is consent; and what their data protection rights are. You can provide this information person-to-person or give constituents a leaflet
which sets it out. You can also direct constituents to another way in which they can easily access this information, for example on your website. If you do that or use another indirect method of providing this information, at a minimum you should tell constituents upfront who you are and how you can be contacted, why you’re collecting their information and explain that they have rights (including to withdraw consent at any time) in relation to the personal data you’re collecting from them."

Sinn Fein are in clear breach of these provisions. Each time they ask a voter at the door which way you are voting, they must also get the voter's consent for that information to be recorded in the Abu database. I am quite certain that they never got that far into the conversation the last time they called to my door because the door was closed before they started speaking.

Everybody who is on the Abu database should have been told that they will be colour-coded based on their response or non-response to SF callers to the door. That simply hasn't happened.

Looking forward to the DPC investigation.

maccored · 14-04-2021 11:35am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So this story has been raised by Leo's biographer, questions have been asked, Sinn Fein say they are compliant, is that it?

Has there been any more on it, other than opinions?

once it comes out to be yet another waffle story fed by the indo etc to the usual AOBSFers the story will go cold and it'll be referenced - like the NI Bank Robbery - to in future with insinuation rather than any factual backing.

Good old fashioned, wigs and curlers, over the back fence gossip in other words.

maccored · 14-04-2021 11:43am

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.dataprotection.ie/sites/default/files/uploads/2018-11/Canvassing%20Elected%20Reps%20FINAL.pdf

"TRANSPARENCY
If you collect information directly from constituents whether in person or otherwise, you must be transparent about your use of their personal data by providing them with information on:
who you are and how you can be contacted; why you’re collecting their data; who you’ll share it with; how long you’ll keep it; that the legal basis for this processing is consent; and what their data protection rights are. You can provide this information person-to-person or give constituents a leaflet
which sets it out. You can also direct constituents to another way in which they can easily access this information, for example on your website. If you do that or use another indirect method of providing this information, at a minimum you should tell constituents upfront who you are and how you can be contacted, why you’re collecting their information and explain that they have rights (including to withdraw consent at any time) in relation to the personal data you’re collecting from them."

Sinn Fein are in clear breach of these provisions. Each time they ask a voter at the door which way you are voting, they must also get the voter's consent for that information to be recorded in the Abu database. I am quite certain that they never got that far into the conversation the last time they called to my door because the door was closed before they started speaking.

Everybody who is on the Abu database should have been told that they will be colour-coded based on their response or non-response to SF callers to the door. That simply hasn't happened.

Looking forward to the DPC investigation.

why? in that case every marketing company that uses your data should contact you and tell you every time they highlight your name for any reason. Do you know the data kept in the database? how do you know its not just a number that links to the electoral database?

wicklowstevo · 14-04-2021 1:04pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/people/sinn-feins-michelle-oneill-acknowledges-impact-of-death-of-duke-of-edinburgh-i-recognise-the-sense-of-loss-that-will-be-felt-by-many-people-across-our-community-particularly-those-of-unionist-tradition-or-those-who-have-a-3197570

Sinn Fein rarely deserve any credit, so I have to say well done to Michelle O'Neill and her words on the death of Prince Phillip. It is the first time I have seen a SF politician actually speak as if they understood the other side.

apparently not all members got the PR memo

another "up da ra" idiot , if this is the sort of stuff that appeals to sf voters they really are bottom of the cess pit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-called-outfor-disgusting-mocking-of-prince-philips-death-40307817.html

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 1:50pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

apparently not all members got the PR memo

another "up da ra" idiot , if this is the sort of stuff that appeals to sf voters they really are bottom of the cess pit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-called-outfor-disgusting-mocking-of-prince-philips-death-40307817.html

Crass thing to say. Philip has provoked a wide variety of comment, some of t with merit, no doubt about it. But he shouldn't have tweeted that on his death.

maccored · 14-04-2021 2:39pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

apparently not all members got the PR memo

another "up da ra" idiot , if this is the sort of stuff that appeals to sf voters they really are bottom of the cess pit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-called-outfor-disgusting-mocking-of-prince-philips-death-40307817.html

'Irish republican doesn't like queen's husband' shocker

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 3:58pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

apparently not all members got the PR memo

another "up da ra" idiot , if this is the sort of stuff that appeals to sf voters they really are bottom of the cess pit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-called-outfor-disgusting-mocking-of-prince-philips-death-40307817.html

The mask never fails to slip somewhere. Truly disgusting behaviour.

14-04-2021 4:04pm

Good to see the Labour Party asking SF to answer detailed questions about their voter database.

https://m.independent.ie/podcasts/the-floating-voter/the-floating-voter-sinn-fein-leader-must-answer-questions-on-possibility-of-cold-war-like-voter-database-40313028.html

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 4:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to see the Labour Party asking SF to answer detailed questions about their voter database.

https://m.independent.ie/podcasts/the-floating-voter/the-floating-voter-sinn-fein-leader-must-answer-questions-on-possibility-of-cold-war-like-voter-database-40313028.html

Not much further on. Where did this bit come from by the way?

“I have never heard at a national level that a party is actually profiling every citizen in the State.''

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 4:16pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not much further on. Where did this bit come from by the way?

It seems you haven't understood what is actually going on in the Abu database.

Fionn1952 · 14-04-2021 4:26pm

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems you haven't understood what is actually going on in the Abu database.

Nor do you, I or indeed anyone else outside of SF at present;

We don't have enough information and Sinn Féin have to answer questions as to whether this is within data protection law, within GDPR.

There may well be a case to answer; I've sent across a SAR today as I'm very uncomfortable with the idea and I fully agree that there are questions that need answering.....but altogether far too many with their chests puffed out claiming to know things as fact that they absolutely don't at present.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 4:27pm

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems you haven't understood what is actually going on in the Abu database.

I asked, where did that information come from...do you know or not?

skimpydoo · 14-04-2021 4:29pm

Is the Abu database online? It was alleged here last night that it was online for us to see, but I can't find it, and the Dr who alleged this has not provided a link.

rdwight · 14-04-2021 5:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Spare me the emotional 'in the middle of a pandemic' stuff please. Plenty of examples of political capital being made out of it on all sides.
Why you think a political party will not do this is odd.

There's lots of opportunities for SF to hurl away on the ditch and aspects of the pandemic response to criticize.

The test of the vaccine programme has been and continues to be, whether all the vaccines we get our hands on are used. SF demanding precise schedules when the approval of and delivery of vaccines is changing weekly and daily is mere irresponsible rabble rousing. As was disputing NIAC's scientific advice on the vaccine priority order as a means of currying favour with the teachers' unions.

14-04-2021 5:10pm

The Data Protection Commissioner has written to SF asking them to explain what funny business they are up to with their internal voter database.

Someone must have made a complaint.

wicklowstevo · 14-04-2021 5:30pm

maccored wrote: »

'Irish republican doesn't like queen's husband' shocker

If a uk politician posted something like that after the death of the irish head of state or family member of head of state there would be rightly outrage ,

no one expects much or gets much from creatures like this sf rep their standards are so low

14-04-2021 5:41pm

Whatever your feelings about SF, can we all agree that the attacks by senior FG Indo journalists in particular Philip Ryan, towards the party over the past few days and beyond has been an absolute disgrace. The Indos low and gutter journalistic and editorial standards are there for all to see.

maccored · 14-04-2021 5:44pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

If a uk politician posted something like that after the death of the irish head of state or family member of head of state there would be rightly outrage ,

no one expects much or gets much from creatures like this sf rep their standards are so low

if a country that had historically abused Britain had a leader who had died - I can't see them being terribly sympathetic

maccored · 14-04-2021 5:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The Data Protection Commissioner has written to SF asking them to explain what funny business they are up to with their internal voter database.

Someone must have made a complaint.

going by the top class reporting from the Indo they would have had to surely?

maccored · 14-04-2021 5:46pm

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems you haven't understood what is actually going on in the Abu database.

please do share the info you have meticulously researched. Oh right - you have none

maccored · 14-04-2021 5:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The Data Protection Commissioner has written to SF asking them to explain what funny business they are up to with their internal voter database.

Someone must have made a complaint.

dont you have a link to post btw?

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 5:53pm

David Cullinane on radio there, they've been in touch with the DPC. So I suppose we'll see soon enough if there are any issues.

wicklowstevo · 14-04-2021 6:02pm

maccored wrote: »

if a country that had historically abused Britain had a leader who had died - I can't see them being terribly sympathetic

Thankfully not everyone has the same mentality as you .

maturity intelligence and compassion self awareness are all things that would have to be lacking

the fact that you support that kind of attitude from a sf member says a lot about you and them

stay classy *terrorists

(possible former )

rdwight · 14-04-2021 6:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

David Cullinane on radio there, they've been in touch with the DPC. So I suppose we'll see soon enough if there are any issues.

He was also criticizing absence of details on the plan to have 80% of adults offered vaccine by end of June. Mary Lou on TV this evening pushing similar line.

Ludicrous line to take given the week that's been in it.

It makes it look as if SF decided on Monday morning what point of attack for week would be and haven't been nimble footed enough to adjust after AstaZeneca restrictions, Johnson & Johnson pause and Pfizer uplift.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 6:55pm

rdwight wrote: »

He was also criticizing absence of details on the plan to have 80% of adults offered vaccine by end of June. Mary Lou on TV this evening pushing similar line.

Ludicrous line to take given the week that's been in it.

It makes it look as if SF decided on Monday morning what point of attack for week would be and haven't been nimble footed enough to adjust after AstaZeneca restrictions, Johnson & Johnson pause and Pfizer uplift.

An opposition party criticising the government. My oh my, that's never happened before! Dreadful.

14-04-2021 6:59pm

rdwight wrote: »

He was also criticizing absence of details on the plan to have 80% of adults offered vaccine by end of June. Mary Lou on TV this evening pushing similar line.

Ludicrous line to take given the week that's been in it.

It makes it look as if SF decided on Monday morning what point of attack for week would be and haven't been nimble footed enough to adjust after AstaZeneca restrictions, Johnson & Johnson pause and Pfizer uplift.

Cullinane wouldn’t be the sharpest tool in the box. Gets a briefing and regurgitates it. In fairness he’s not as shrill as Mary Lou or as loud as Pearse.

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An opposition party criticising the government. My oh my, that's never happened before! Dreadful.

It actually seems to be the HSE they're attacking (see post #3637). Just as they attacked the NIAC a couple of weeks ago.

Surely being "The People's Taoiseach" carries some requirement for responsibility

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 7:25pm

rdwight wrote: »

It actually seems to be the HSE they're attacking (see post #3637). Just as they attacked the NIAC a couple of weeks ago.

Surely being "The People's Taoiseach" carries some requirement for responsibility

Can you name me an opposition party in the history of the state that didn't criticise the sitting government? Are you saying this is unique to SF?

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you name me an opposition party in the history of the state that didn't criticise the sitting government? Are you saying this is unique to SF?

I'm saying there's lots about the government's pandemic response to criticize (failures in contact tracing, mandatory quarantine etc.).

Vaccine regulatory approvals and supplies are not under the control of authorities here but have a massive effect on the vaccine rollout. Constant barracking from the sidelines serves no purpose except possibly undermine public confidence in the rollout. It's irresponsible behaviour.

The time to criticize the rollout is when, as is possible, we fail to use all the vaccines that are being delivered in a timely manner. Barracking from the sidelines at this point won't make that less likely.

I think it's too early to praise or criticize the rollout but in fairness, inviting 65-69 year olds to register by this weekend shows a degree of nimble footedness after the week that's been in it.

Bobeagleburger · 14-04-2021 7:46pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Data Protection Commissioner has written to SF asking them to explain what funny business they are up to with their internal voter database.

Someone must have made a complaint.

Where's the database? EU or US?

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 7:47pm

rdwight wrote: »

I'm saying there's lots about the government's pandemic response to criticize (failures in contact tracing, mandatory quarantine etc.).

Vaccine regulatory approvals and supplies are not under the control of authorities here but have a massive effect on the vaccine rollout. Constant barracking from the sidelines serves no purpose except possibly undermine public confidence in the rollout. It's irresponsible behaviour.

The time to criticize the rollout is when, as is possible, we fail to use all the vaccines that are being delivered in a timely manner. Barracking from the sidelines at this point won't make that less likely.

I think it's too early to praise or criticize the rollout but in fairness, inviting 65-69 year olds to register by this weekend shows a degree of nimble footedness after the week that's been in it.

That's not how it works, you are not a member of the party and as far as I know they aren't looking for advice on what to hold the government to account on from critics of the party.

TheTruth21 · 14-04-2021 7:51pm

rdwight wrote: »

I'm saying there's lots about the government's pandemic response to criticize (failures in contact tracing, mandatory quarantine etc.).

Vaccine regulatory approvals and supplies are not under the control of authorities here but have a massive effect on the vaccine rollout. Constant barracking from the sidelines serves no purpose except possibly undermine public confidence in the rollout. It's irresponsible behaviour.

The time to criticize the rollout is when, as is possible, we fail to use all the vaccines that are being delivered in a timely manner. Barracking from the sidelines at this point won't make that less likely.

I think it's too early to praise or criticize the rollout but in fairness, inviting 65-69 year olds to register by this weekend shows a degree of nimble footedness after the week that's been in it.

We still have people in their 80s who havnt had their vaccine and you think we should be celebrating a registration system (which quite rightly should be ready by now)

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:51pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Gay Mitchell asked Martin McGuinness about this in 2011. McGuinness said he recognised all the institutions of the state and the Irish Defence Forces as Oglaigh na hEireann.

Old news.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2017/04/20/news/mcguinness-grave-already-a-place-of-republican-pilgrimage-1001845/

If he recognised the Irish Defence Forces were Oglaigh na hEireann then what's the Oglaigh na hEireann referenced on his gravestone?

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:56pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's not how it works, you are not a member of the party and as far as I know they aren't looking for advice on what to hold the government to account on from critics of the party.

I'm not offering advice. I'm saying their pointless rabble rousing is irresponsible.

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:57pm

TheTruth21 wrote: »

We still have people in their 80s who havnt had their vaccine and you think we should be celebrating a registration system (which quite rightly should be ready by now)

Now if Cullinane and Mary Lou were on the news asking how many and why that is I would have more respect for them.

rdwight · 14-04-2021 7:58pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

apparently not all members got the PR memo

another "up da ra" idiot , if this is the sort of stuff that appeals to sf voters they really are bottom of the cess pit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-called-outfor-disgusting-mocking-of-prince-philips-death-40307817.html

I actually found Cullinane's campaign manager shouting "We broke the Free State" more sinister than the "up the 'ra" roar.

skimpydoo · 14-04-2021 8:00pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

Is the Abu database online? It was alleged here last night that it was online for us to see, but I can't find it, and the Dr who alleged this has not provided a link.

Any more info on this? Or is it another deflection?

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 8:01pm

rdwight wrote: »

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2017/04/20/news/mcguinness-grave-already-a-place-of-republican-pilgrimage-1001845/

If he recognised the Irish Defence Forces were Oglaigh na hEireann then what's the Oglaigh na hEireann referenced on his gravestone?

Not sure why you can't google this yourself.

Oglaigh na hEireann means 'soldier of Ireland' the defence forces don't own the term.

'“Óglach” is the name of a “volunteer” in the IRA or one of their members.

McGuinness is on record as saying he recognised the Defences Forces as the army of Ireland.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/martin-mcguinness-headstone-angers-unionists

14-04-2021 8:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's not how it works, you are not a member of the party and as far as I know they aren't looking for advice on what to hold the government to account on from critics of the party.

And we're not looking for advice on how to criticise sinn fein on the sinn fein thread

So...?

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 8:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And we're not looking for advice on how to criticise sinn fein on the sinn fein thread

So...?

Work away, you'll have to put up with other opinions though.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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