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Bothar Charity under investigation

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    #92
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    Post #15 on this thread links to Bothar's last published accounts (2018). The accounts state that one Staff Member was paid between 90k and 100k.
    It would be fairly safe to assume that this Staff member can only be the CEO.


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    #93
    airnwater
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭airnwater


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I saw the figure published somewhere. 35,000, I think, which is modest even for a small charity like this. Clearly, the "bonuses" available made the position attractive enough despite the low basic salary.


    https://www.bothar.ie/sites/default/files/media/file-uploads/2019-07/Scanned%20signed%20Accounts%202018.pdf

    P.34 , states one employee was in range of 90k - 100k in 2018 ! Guess it was David Maloney .

    Pretty sure I saw 100k in a newspaper report :)


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    #94
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    joebloggs32 wrote: »
    Clearly not enough.


    We need to pay massive sslaries to attract "the best applicants"

    Any respectable CEO of a charity would at least want the Taoiseach's wage :)
    I totally disagree. Its not a commercial concern but a charitable concern. Most work for such charities for "free".


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    #95
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Paying staff to provide professional housing support services IS going to the actual cause. You can't run a homeless hostel on volunteers. You need to pay people to provide full time expert support.

    It’s not really though. The workers in these charities have rents/mortgages/families etc to pay for. That turns homelessness into an industry, no longer a problem to be solved. The very people working in the industry become unemployed if homelessness ends. Same with addiction services.


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    #96
    Cal4567
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    It’s not really though. The workers in these charities have rents/mortgages/families etc to pay for. That turns homelessness into an industry, no longer a problem to be solved. The very people working in the industry become unemployed if homelessness ends. Same with addiction services.

    That's a separate argument. As for this charity,

    https://www.sundayworld.com/news/ex-bothar-boss-david-moloney-admits-stealing-suitcases-of-cash-from-charity-40428988.html

    it doesn't seem to have been given much attention, nor do I see much outrage out there over it. Maybe all the existing outrage is spent up on housing/Israel?

    With respect here as well, it is still only in the Limerick section of the site. Are we as a country just unured now to all this, and we just shrug our shoulders or are we just clueless *uckers, too easily accepting of the status quo and everything that goes with it.

    As he had admitted guilt, it shouldn't take too long for a verdict to be delivered. If this was the US, even the UK, you'd be looking at a lengthy sentence. Here, you would think CAB are over this, that situations such as this falls under their remit?

    Reading this Sunday World piece, you'd think some of the ill gotten gains are actually now paying for legal expenses. If this wasn't all real, we'd be in Flann O'Brien/Brendan Behan territory here.

    The following sentences from the article just hang there, are almost comic.

    Mr Justice Allen said he understood Mrs Moloney’s predicament.

    “The difficulty is her husband stole €1m and can’t afford to contribute to the household bills as he heretofore has been doing,” the judge said.

    The court heard Moloney filed an affidavit saying the family’s living expenses were €6,160-a-month.


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    #97
    chicorytip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    mgbgt1978 wrote: »
    Post #15 on this thread links to Bothar's last published accounts (2018). The accounts state that one Staff Member was paid between 90k and 100k.
    It would be fairly safe to assume that this Staff member can only be the CEO.
    Yes, that's right. I stand corrected. The figure (CEO's salary) was believed to be 96,000 per annum not 35.


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    #98
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    Cal4567 wrote: »

    The court heard Moloney filed an affidavit saying the family’s living expenses were €6,160-a-month.[/B]

    What the actual?? :eek:


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    #99
    Bicyclette
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭Bicyclette


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    That's a separate argument. As for this charity,

    Mr Justice Allen said he understood Mrs Moloney’s predicament.

    “The difficulty is her husband stole €1m and can’t afford to contribute to the household bills as he heretofore has been doing,” the judge said.

    The court heard Moloney filed an affidavit saying the family’s living expenses were €6,160-a-month.

    That is €73,920 net of tax and even with a reasonable amount of allowances would require more than the €96,000 salary to cover it. :mad:


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    #100
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    Tipp people are in the clear in this case.
    Dave Moloney was born and raised on the North Circular Road in Limerick.


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    #101
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Bicyclette wrote: »
    That is €73,920 net of tax and even with a reasonable amount of allowances would require more than the €96,000 salary to cover it. :mad:
    And this money is out of poor boxes or collection buckets given for to support starving people in the developing world. They give a new meaning to brass necks.


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    #102
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭gifted


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    Its immaterial where either are from, just someone is from a certain county don't make the whole county criminal.

    Who said criminal?

    Tipp people have history in standing up for their own is all I said .

    Read the posts first before you come charging in on your high horses Mr. Keyboard Warrior.


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    #103
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    This thread is in a Limerick forum, about a Limerick charity. Please respect that and post elsewhere if you'd like to discuss other topics.


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    #104
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    I'm cleaning up this thread with the following rules in mind
    This is the Limerick forum.
    This thread was started about the Bothar Charity, not other charities
    This is an ongoing legal case/investigation

    If you feel that I have deleted your post in error feel free to re-make your point with the 3 rules above in mind, if you want to discuss other issues please find another forum to discuss them in.


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    #105
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭gifted


    Anyone know what's happening with this Bothar case? Is it still being investigated or has it been settled?



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    #106
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭touts


    I don't think there is anyone left to investigate.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/second-key-figure-caught-up-in-bothar-cash-scandal-dies-40871450.html



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    #107
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭gifted


    So the chap Moloney is off the hook?



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    #108
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Bothar are hiring for a new CEO. Salary €90k + benefits if anybody feels like applying. Though you'd wonder if either the current Interim CEO or the current COO would be likely to get the position.

    https://www.bothar.ie/news-stories/we-are-hiring-bothar-ceo

    Interesting that they are doing this without publishing any update on their accounts, changes to their corporate governance or explanation of the steps they have put in place to ensure that future donations are not a risk of a recurrence of past issues.



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    #109
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭touts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119130062#Comment_119130062

    What idiots are still contributing to Bothar that they have money left to pay Megabucks to the chancers who run it? It must be people who set up a direct debit and forgot about it. This is why you should always check your bank statements.



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    #110
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭gifted


    Is the investigation still ongoing or has this been swept under the carpet?



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