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S2S Cycleway - northside

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  • #1302
    mrcheez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    work wrote: »
    I live in South Dublin and was so enthusiastic about S2S. I know there have been issues on the North Side but something has been achieved and I get the impression it's been helped by local lobbying.
    Nothing on the southern section. Now I really hope our minister for cycle frugality Ross is not going to do a big photo shoot for Vilo City. He has been the worst modern minister for transport regarding cycling. I would love him to take the other Vilo politicians on a spin beyond the merrion gates in Booterstown. They might not all survive but I suppose that's the point.

    I and several people on this thread got in touch with local councillors and it appeared to have sped things up a bit, so perhaps try that and try to get more people to contact them about it.

    Maybe start a new thread for the southside and keep pushing it.


  • #1303
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    The bushes growing out of the wall from black banks to the kilbarrack road are great fun especially when people heading towards town won't move out of the lane so you can move out from the wall


  • #1304
    cdaly_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    I see the Climate Action Plan 2019 includes (on Page 50):
    Climate Action Plan 2019 wrote:
    Action 97: Commence full implementation of the National Cycle Policy Framework
    • Every local authority to set forth a clear pathway and timetable
      for the installation of dedicated cycling infrastructure Q4 2020
    • Increase funding in dedicated cycling infrastructure Q4 2020
    • Current transport infrastructure programmes to immediately
      be revised to achieve at least 10% expenditure on facilitating
      cycling Q4 2020


  • #1305
    ChrisJ84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭ChrisJ84


    neris wrote: »
    The bushes growing out of the wall from black banks to the kilbarrack road are great fun especially when people heading towards town won't move out of the lane so you can move out from the wall

    That section's not great. Badly lit at night, and if it's not the bushes then it's the pile of crud that's blown in and not been swept.


  • #1306
    mrcheez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Maybe we all club together on one of these?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xwlw_DTr0Q


  • #1307
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    I see the Climate Action Plan 2019 includes (on Page 50):

    More painted lines on the road and cycle paths designed to keep bicycle users out of the way of motorised transport...


  • #1308
    Mercian Pro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    mrcheez wrote: »

    Maybe start a new thread for the southside and keep pushing it.

    The most active thread on the southside section of the S2S is at https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057651544

    The S2S group has continued to lobby for a fully coastal route from Ringsend to Sandycove but the NTA are pushing an inland version south of Merrion Gates and the recent Bus-Connect proposals for Blackrock to Merrion incorporates this.


  • #1309
    brocbrocach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Seems to have been missed a bit on this thread but great work done to improve the Alfie Byrne cycleway recently. Technically it's not part of the S2S I suppose but many people pass directly from one to the other on their commutes or spins. DCC and IBike and everyone else involved in the recent kerfuffle with coach parking really deserve praise on this one.


  • #1310
    mrcheez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    The new monkey bar installations are great too... gotta work the upper body after all the leg exercise :)


  • #1311
    Mercian Pro
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Technically it's not part of the S2S I suppose but many people pass directly from one to the other on their commutes or spins.


    AFAIK it is part of the S2S (which has now been absorbed into the East Coast Trail). The Fairview to Amiens Street scheme is one of a number of orbital commuter routes but the S2S is intended to follow Dublin Bay as closely as possible by going along the East Wall Road, across the Liffey beside the East Link, through Ringsend and then out to Merrion and beyond.


    I can never understand why DCC haven't progressed the East Wall section as there is a wide underused footpath along much of it. An alternative proposal madre here that had a lot of benefits was to run it along the perimiter of East Point and to emerge beyond the dangerous Port Tunnel access road.


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  • #1312
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    Yeah I'm at a loss on that one also, the footpaths on East wall rd are massive! Though think of all the free parking spaces that would be lost as a result :rolleyes:


  • #1313
    Tenzor07
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    mr spuckler wrote: »
    Yeah I'm at a loss on that one also, the footpaths on East wall rd are massive! Though think of all the free parking spaces that would be lost as a result :rolleyes:

    That whole area on E Wall road at the petrol station and Aldi is a complete disaster, lethal for cycling, trying to squeeze through that area, avoid exiting traffic, position yourself at the traffic signals with a bunch of vehicles behind you, and having to get into the right lane for turning while avoiding speeding cars.

    A Danish or Dutch person would take a heart attack just looking at it! :eek:


  • #1314
    magicbastarder
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    a wide underused footpath along much of it
    underused, you say?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3552757,-6.2297248,3a,75y,333.65h,78.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spWEWpa6svURb81kjkc7xLQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


  • #1315
    Leroy42
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    Isn't it illegal to park on a footpath?


  • #1316
    magicbastarder
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    it is. in theory, however much that is put into practice.


  • #1317
    brocbrocach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Isn't it illegal to park on a footpath?


    There's even a car mechanics located on the path on that road!


  • #1318
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭mollser


    Had the pleasure of cycling from ringsend out to Dalkey yesterday at lunch. They need to get a grip with the south section of this - given there is a Dart line running all the way along the coast from the Merrion Gates, how hard would it be to simply build a boardwalk style path on the sea side of this from Booterstown to accomodate, bikes, walkers, joggers etc? As the Dart is there, environmental / nature impacts is just nimby stuff. It would be a remarkable facility, akin to what is in many other cities. It would re-open that section of coast, which is severly cut off by the Dart. Turning it in land at Merrion Gates is the greatest wasted opportunity ever. I'm sure these arguments are done to death, but they really need to look at the big picture here.

    [as an aside, i've often read comments about how bad the N11 cycle lane is, didn't fully appreciate them until I rodeit yesterday. Holy sh1t, it is unbelievably crap - mainly the surface (wouldn't be tolerated by motorists), but also all the other well documented bits and bobs that make it a shambles]


  • #1319
    Apply Pressure Here
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭Apply Pressure Here


    Hi all,

    Just wondering if anyone's seen or heard of updates in relation to the Portmarnok-Baldoyle Greenway?

    I can't find anything!

    Thanks.

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/300840.htm


  • #1320
    Mercian Pro
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    Apply Pressure Here wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Just wondering if anyone's seen or heard of updates in relation to the Portmarnok-Baldoyle Greenway?

    I can't find anything!

    Thanks.

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/300840.htm




    This from the Fingal Independent at the end of March:


    "The largest tranche of (NTA) funding, totalling €1.35m, was allocated towards the extension of the S2S Sandycove to Sutton cycle route further north into Fingal, which will form the southern section of the Fingal Coastal Way. Contractors are due on site this year to move forward with the Baldoyle-Portmarnock Coastal Route element, while a planning application to continue the route to Malahide is due later in the year."


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  • #1321
    Apply Pressure Here
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭Apply Pressure Here


    Read on the above that work cannot be done between November and April. Haven’t seen anything going on in the area which doesn’t fill me with confidence it’ll be done by then.


  • #1322
    Croobum
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    So looks like we won't have to worry so much about cars driving up on the new bike lane. It's pedestrians (joggers/dog-walkers especially) that will take ownership of the new lane... already seeing people using it for this purpose despite the bollards up and I can sort of understand why they think it's for walkers considering the width.

    I reckon it will be a matter of weeks by the time we hear of the first cyclist caught in a dog-lead on this stretch.


  • #1323
    mrcheez
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    Croobum wrote: »
    So looks like we won't have to worry so much about cars driving up on the new bike lane. It's pedestrians (joggers/dog-walkers especially) that will take ownership of the new lane... already seeing people using it for this purpose despite the bollards up and I can sort of understand why they think it's for walkers considering the width.

    I reckon it will be a matter of weeks by the time we hear of the first cyclist caught in a dog-lead on this stretch.

    Which new bike lane?

    The one from wooden bridge to the causeway was initially used by joggers/dags back when it opened but it seems to have gotten better over time and rarely will you see non-cyclists on it.

    Electro scooters are the new thing, but at least they seem to be narrow and keep left in my experience.


  • #1324
    Apply Pressure Here
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭Apply Pressure Here


    Am I missing something? Where is the entrance to this? I've not seen any works going on in the area...


  • #1325
    comanche_cor
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    mrcheez wrote: »
    Electro scooters are the new thing, but at least they seem to be narrow and keep left in my experience.

    No issue with the scooters - they are just like another cyclist. No big deal in my books.

    Ran long the section opposite st annes park on Sunday - it was an eye opener for me!

    The path is quiet narrow and runners have to step down off the path once the meet another runner / walker. I am surprised that there has not been more accidents cause by people stepping down into the path of a cyclist without having looked over their shoulder (it is impossible to hear a cyclist coming).

    I know that I will be keeping more of an eye out of the runners / walkers when on that section from here on out ..


  • #1326
    mrcheez
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    comanche_cor wrote: »
    No issue with the scooters - they are just like another cyclist. No big deal in my books.

    Ran long the section opposite st annes park on Sunday - it was an eye opener for me!

    The path is quiet narrow and runners have to step down off the path once the meet another runner / walker. I am surprised that there has not been more accidents cause by people stepping down into the path of a cyclist without having looked over their shoulder (it is impossible to hear a cyclist coming).

    I know that I will be keeping more of an eye out of the runners / walkers when on that section from here on out ..

    Indeed, the placement of the street lights at some points on the pedestrian path (particularly as you approach Wongs) almost force you to walk out onto the bike lane unless you manage to squeeze by

    One of the bus stop sections has a bin that again forces you out


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  • #1327
    Duckjob
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    Good news....

    https://www.thejournal.ie/construction-begins-greenway-north-dublin-4738584-Jul2019/?utm_source=shortlink

    As usual, don't venture down into the comments until you're feeling brave


  • #1328
    Tenzor07
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    Duckjob wrote: »
    Good news....

    https://www.thejournal.ie/construction-begins-greenway-north-dublin-4738584-Jul2019/?utm_source=shortlink

    As usual, don't venture down into the comments until you're feeling brave

    Actually not bad, you'd expect worse..

    About time this area had a safe place for bicycle and foot traffic, i've only been brave enough to cycle the section between Baldoyle-Portmarnock and vice-versa if it's a quiet Sunday morning and/or I have a strong wind behind me so I can get through that road quicker..


  • #1329
    DrEvil
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Actually not bad, you'd expect worse..

    About time this area had a safe place for bicycle and foot traffic, I've only been brave enough to cycle the section between Baldoyle-Portmarnock and vice-versa if it's a quiet Sunday morning and/or I have a strong wind behind me so I can get through that road quicker..

    I'm so happy this is finally getting done. The current situation is crazy with no safe pedestrian access to Portmarnock from Clongriffin/Baldoyle. I'm surprised nobody has being killed there.


  • #1330
    DrEvil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭DrEvil


    Video of the new path - https://youtu.be/T2LoCvWeylk


  • #1331
    mrcheez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    https://youtu.be/T2LoCvWeylk?t=39

    they even managed to include a pedestrian on the virtual bike path X)


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  • #1332
    brocbrocach
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    Very interesting!
    Two things:
    I wonder where it starts, just after the Roundabout in Baldoyle?
    It's a pity there's a wall between the road and the new tracks for the first part of it .i. up to Moyne Rd. A fence, as they have on the second section, would be better I think.


  • #1333
    Shedite27
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    I wonder where it starts, just after the Roundabout in Baldoyle?
    There's a bike path around some of the roundabout already (on the left northbound), then a driveway entrance, starts there.
    The path is kinda already visible on Google maps satellite view


  • #1334
    Duckjob
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    mrcheez wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/T2LoCvWeylk?t=39

    they even managed to include a pedestrian on the virtual bike path X)

    Up the realism a bit. I'm surprised they didn't stick a white van and a taxi with their hazards on in there too


  • #1335
    brocbrocach
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    Duckjob wrote: »
    Up the realism a bit. I'm surprised they didn't stick a white van and a taxi with their hazards on in there too


    I could be wrong but it looks like a daddy and toddler on a trike. Marking their territory already. Lycra wearing Mamils breaking speed records and riding the Tour de Frans aren't welcome here.


  • #1336
    Duckjob
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    I could be wrong but it looks like a daddy and toddler on a trike. Marking their territory already. Lycra wearing Mamils breaking speed records and riding the Tour de Frans aren't welcome here.

    I wouldn't take that from it TBF. I just read it as promoting the idea of "biking for all".

    People wont be able to fly where there's a lot of other people and kids on it - that's just how it is (and should be IMO)


  • #1337
    mrcheez
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    Duckjob wrote: »
    I wouldn't take that from it TBF. I just read it as promoting the idea of "biking for all".

    People wont be able to fly where there's a lot of other people and kids on it - that's just how it is (and should be IMO)

    My comment was just being sarcastic.

    I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean anything and they were the only 3D models available to the artist at the time.


  • #1338
    Mercian Pro
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    idvmnp.jpg

    My reading of it is a guy standing beside his bike admiring the view!

    I'd be a bit more worried about how it ends near Portmarnock and how it will link into the next section to Malahide.


  • #1339
    brocbrocach
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    idvmnp.jpg

    My reading of it is a guy standing beside his bike admiring the view!

    I'd be a bit more worried about how it ends near Portmarnock and how it will link into the next section to Malahide.

    Perhaps spending a penny? Something about his attitude...


  • #1340
    Ferris
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    I'd be a bit more worried about how it ends near Portmarnock and how it will link into the next section to Malahide.

    I have the same concern. It’s either the poxy backroads with the hidden bends towards the Malahide road or up through Portmarnock village and along the coast which is marginally better. No problem for myself but I’d love to be able to get to Malahide castle with the kids in the trailer. It’s just too risky but.

    There was a proposal for a cycleway to swords that was voted down as the FF/FG/Lab councilors wouldn’t back as it required CPO’s. Hopefully with the greener outlook it’ll be proposed again and passed.


  • #1341
    lambayire
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    There seems to be a small stretch at the end near the roundabout, say about 50 - 100 metres.

    Seems to me like a recipe for a disaster there.


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  • #1342
    Shedite27
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    From the look of ariel views going through Portmarnock, coming southbound, there's a path on the beach running behind the hotel. Then once you get to the hotel, there's enough room on the main street to make a cycle path (I assume those green areas outside the houses are public property). That gets you as far as the school where it gets too narrow for about 500m. Then you have the nature reserve on the left so plenty of space again.

    So you need:
    1. A route from the beach to the road (is that hotel land, part of the golf course?)
    2. A compromise route through the narrow section.
    3. The ducks to give over a few meters.


  • #1343
    plodder
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    I'd imagine there will be a pedestrian/bike crossing of the road there to join up with the next section going through the duck park.


  • #1344
    Effects
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    I was passing through fairview park last week and there was a sign up about removing the cycle path through the park.
    Saw the guys doing the work on it on Friday and asked them. I had presumed they were forcing people to use the bike path on the outside of the park.
    They said the path through the park will now be shared between cyclist and pedestrians, so that if a child gets hit by a cyclist it's the cyclists fault and the council can't be blamed.


  • #1345
    mrcheez
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    So, no change from the way it's always been then


  • #1346
    Effects
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    Except pedestrians used to shout at cyclists while both were in the cycle lane. Pedestrians will think they have even more right to walk where they want now.


  • #1347
    mrcheez
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    Up to them. Get in the way get hit, pretty simples.


  • #1348
    Effects
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    Not that simple in practice though.


  • #1349
    Shedite27
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    mrcheez wrote: »
    Up to them. Get in the way get hit, pretty simples.
    You a taxi driver?


  • #1350
    mrcheez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    You a taxi driver?

    Just a realist buddy.

    People using the path will be aware of bikes on the path. If they walk blindly into the path of a bike then they are taking their lives into their own hands.


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  • #1351
    site_owner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭site_owner


    I'm not thrilled about the change to the bike lane either but that's a terrible attitude.


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