BE Services to Go-Ahead and Resulting Fleet Changes

ax586 · 11-08-2019 1:17am

Stephen15 wrote: »

That's odd not sure why a GAI one would be in Broadstone. Sure it wasn't a BE one?

The Go-ahead logo on the side was a give away..not my picture by the way

Stephen15 · 11-08-2019 1:21am

ax586 wrote: »

The Go-ahead logo on the side was a give away

Was just curious. Thought you may have confused the two are the BE and GAI ones are in the exact same livery only difference is the logo on the side. Nice picture all the same.

Strange that a non DB or BE bus would be parked there.

Tomrota · 11-08-2019 1:31pm

ax586 wrote: »

The Go-ahead logo on the side was a give away..not my picture by the way

Have you seen inside? Can you board this bus without walking up stairs?

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 2:01pm

Tomrota wrote: »

Have you seen inside? Can you board this bus without walking up stairs?

It's low floor with a step further back if I recall right.

Designed to allow wheelchair/buggy board.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 11-08-2019 2:17pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's low floor with a step further back if I recall right.

Designed to allow wheelchair/buggy board.

No !

Do not even go there

It is only designed for wheelchair only access

It is not designed for buggies. There is even specific buggy signage on them saying all buggies must be folded !

Unfolded buggies are not permitted under any circumstances

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 2:57pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

No !

Do not even go there

It is only designed for wheelchair only access

It is not designed for buggies. There is even specific buggy signage on them saying all buggies must be folded !

Unfolded buggies are not permitted under any circumstances

That's grand I couldn't remember. That's great but I can see someone bringing that to court and getting a nice payment as they can't be taking their child out of s buggy...

Deal with this every day.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 11-08-2019 3:00pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's grand I couldn't remember. That's great but I can see someone bringing that to court and getting a nice payment as they can't be taking their child out of s buggy...

Deal with this every day.

I deal with this everyday too and thankfully on these vehicles there is a designated buggy storage space for folded buggies only. It's not physically possible to have a unfolded buggy on it.

The wheelchair space has clamps and other sorts for securing wheel chairs which would be in the way of a buggy.

The speed of these things are 100km/h and legally can't have standing or unfolded buggies so no claim will be possible.

I often tell people no to bringing them on board and they say they report me which I believe they do but never a word said about it

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 4:11pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I deal with this everyday too and thankfully on these vehicles there is a designated buggy storage space for folded buggies only. It's not physically possible to have a unfolded buggy on it.

The wheelchair space has clamps and other sorts for securing wheel chairs which would be in the way of a buggy.

The speed of these things are 100km/h and legally can't have standing or unfolded buggies so no claim will be possible.

I often tell people no to bringing them on board and they say they report me which I believe they do but never a word said about it

Ugh dealing with the public..... Sometimes I really do wonder how and why I have put up with it....

Metalpanic · 14-08-2019 9:10am

Hi everyone.

Non bus driver here so apologies if this has been dealt with in previous posts. I'm not overly familiar with bus model numbers so please bear with me. I have seen a bus in new livery going through Dunshaughlin and this morning it was parked up at the bus stop to Dublin in the village. It was a WM434 (operated by Bus Eireann). Does anyone know what route this will be running on? As a daily commuter I have to say I would be disappointed getting a bus of that spec into Dublin every day, especially being accustomed to a standard BE coach (Air con being the biggest luxury). This bus was very much a city bus and even listed the number of standing passengers allowed. I assumed this means it is not intended for a commuter route?

Stephen15 · 14-08-2019 12:01pm

Metalpanic wrote: »

Hi everyone.

Non bus driver here so apologies if this has been dealt with in previous posts. I'm not overly familiar with bus model numbers so please bear with me. I have seen a bus in new livery going through Dunshaughlin and this morning it was parked up at the bus stop to Dublin in the village. It was a WM434 (operated by Bus Eireann). Does anyone know what route this will be running on? As a daily commuter I have to say I would be disappointed getting a bus of that spec into Dublin every day, especially being accustomed to a standard BE coach (Air con being the biggest luxury). This bus was very much a city bus and even listed the number of standing passengers allowed. I assumed this means it is not intended for a commuter route?

It is for town services in Navan I think but Bus Eireann can sometimes be not so rigid when it comes to allocations for example in Cork coaches ocassionally appear on city bus routes for example. It's probably a rare one off allocation as the Streetlite was the only available bus. The worst BE allocation in terms of comfort at the moment appears to be the allocation of 182 VWDs to the 101 (Dublin-Drogheda) which are basically the exact same as a standard DB SG.

punisher5112 · 14-08-2019 1:01pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

It is for town services in Navan I think but Bus Eireann can sometimes be not so rigid when it comes to allocations for example in Cork coaches ocassionally appear on city bus routes for example. It's probably a rare one off allocation as the Streetlite was the only available bus. The worse BE allocation in terms of comfort at the moment appears to be the allocation of 182 VWDs to the 101 (Dublin-Drogheda) which are basically the exact same as a standard DB SG.

Actually never looked more into them as in are they restricted to 65km/h or can they go quicker.

Stephen15 · 14-08-2019 2:13pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Actually never looked more into them as in are they restricted to 65km/h or can they go quicker.

I presume so as the Streetlites BE have are all for city/town services and are the exact same as the ones GAI have for Dublin services. The VWDs would all be limited to 65km/h as they don't have seatbelts and can take standees the pre 2018 ones have more comfortable seats with headrests and are also longer wheelbase.

The ones since 2018 on the other hand are more or less the same as the SGs as they have regular bus seats are rhe same length and also have dual doors.

Stephen Strange · 15-08-2019 2:19pm

VDL in new livery is kinda beautiful!

https://twitter.com/GoAheadIreland/status/1161694633866473473?s=20

Stephen15 · 15-08-2019 7:55pm

I like the new livery on the coaches both the VDL and the new Sunsundegui's looks much better than on the city buses alright looks from that tweet as it suggests that even GAI agree. Personally i think it would have been better perhaps if they used that design for coaches and long distance buses and a different livery for city buses.

devnull · 15-08-2019 8:16pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I like the new livery on the coaches both the VDL and the new Sunsundegui's looks much better than on the city buses alright looks from that tweet as it suggests that even GAI agree. Personally i think it would have been better perhaps if they used that design for coaches and long distance buses and a different livery for city buses.

That is a tweaked version of the bus livery, the TFI logo is green, the angle of the stripes are narrower, the colours of the stripes are slightly different and they're closer together which certainly is an improvement.

Don't get me wrong it's the same livery, but the tweaks they've made to it are good ones. The lower middle panel on the front will be yellow in the final version rather than blue it is in that photo.

punisher5112 · 15-08-2019 10:53pm

One flaw is the front destination is behind a tinted screen, you would think they would have designed to allow the number/destination be seen better... Maybe brighter led unit behind might be needed.

pad199207 · 17-09-2019 11:45am

Plenty of these buses in Naas this morning

emfifty · 17-09-2019 7:02pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Plenty of these buses in Naas this morning

Spotted one myself today. They look well in the sun. ðŸ˜Ž
They must be doing route/driver training ahead of an October launch.
Looking forward to seeing the new route 125 timetable/route alignment (Naas to UCD).

pad199207 · 17-09-2019 7:14pm

emfifty wrote: »

Spotted one myself today. They look well in the sun. ðŸ˜Ž
They must be doing route/driver training ahead of an October launch.
Looking forward to seeing the new route 125 timetable/route alignment (Naas to UCD).

126 no?

emfifty · 17-09-2019 7:33pm

pad199207 wrote: »

126 no?

Existing 126 will remain + a new 125 route.

Details as per TFI below;

Route information:
Route 120 – Dublin to Edenderry
Route 120A – Dublin to Newbridge (via Prosperous)
Route 120C – Tullamore to Enfield
Route 125 – UCD to Newbridge
Route 126 – Dublin to Newbridge (extensions to Kildare, Rathangan and DCU)
Route 130 – Dublin to Athy

pad199207 · 17-09-2019 7:58pm

emfifty wrote: »

Existing 126 will remain + a new 125 route.

Details as per TFI below;

Route information:
Route 120 – Dublin to Edenderry
Route 120A – Dublin to Newbridge (via Prosperous)
Route 120C – Tullamore to Enfield
Route 125 – UCD to Newbridge
Route 126 – Dublin to Newbridge (extensions to Kildare, Rathangan and DCU)
Route 130 – Dublin to Athy

Sounds like it’s going to be frequent enough services for Naas itself

Tomrota · 19-09-2019 8:20pm

emfifty wrote: »

Existing 126 will remain + a new 125 route.

Details as per TFI below;

Route information:
Route 120 – Dublin to Edenderry
Route 120A – Dublin to Newbridge (via Prosperous)
Route 120C – Tullamore to Enfield
Route 125 – UCD to Newbridge
Route 126 – Dublin to Newbridge (extensions to Kildare, Rathangan and DCU)
Route 130 – Dublin to Athy

Do you (or anyone) know if the 125 will go via Tallaght or Dundrum? That would feed two birds with the one scone for college students living in newbridge/naas/kill. UCD and TUD would be so accessible depending on how often this service runs. Could also be used as a shopping route (the square, Dundrum).

emfifty · 19-09-2019 9:25pm

Tomrota wrote: »

Do you (or anyone) know if the 125 will go via Tallaght or Dundrum? That would feed two birds with the one scone for college students living in newbridge/naas/kill. UCD and TUD would be so accessible depending on how often this service runs. Could also be used as a shopping route (the square, Dundrum).

No idea until the NTA release the route maps, stops etc which are imminent according to GAI.
Would be great if Tallaght was served as part of route 125 as a service from Naas to Tallaght (incl. Tallaght hospital) is long overdue.

Tomrota · 19-09-2019 10:10pm

emfifty wrote: »

No idea until the NTA release the route maps, stops etc which are imminent according to GAI.
Would be great if Tallaght was served as part of route 125 as a service from Naas to Tallaght (incl. Tallaght hospital) is long overdue.

Indeed, it would serve the hospital, the square, TUD, and UCD which also provides a bunch of other connections to other buses. Would also be great if the bus was capable of making transfers with other go ahead and Dublin buses in the GDA for an extra 1€.

pad199207 · 19-09-2019 11:09pm

Naas - Johnstown - Kill - Rathcoole - Saggart - Saggart Luas- Tallaght - Templeogue - Dundrum route would be a great addition. Go Ahead or Dublin Bus could even do it

Tomrota · 19-09-2019 11:47pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Naas - Johnstown - Kill - Rathcoole - Saggart - Saggart Luas- Tallaght - Templeogue - Dundrum route would be a great addition. Go Ahead or Dublin Bus could even do it

It could go from sallins. The sallins-naas-Johnstown-Kill area has such a huge population and no means of travelling around it in itself without using a taxi.

emfifty · 13-10-2019 4:13pm

Latest from the NTA is December for Go-ahead launch in KE with 'N7 being the priority' i.e. Routes 125/6 probably first off.

Joker2019 · 25-10-2019 5:29pm

Go-Ahead to take over the 120 Dublin-Edenderry on the 1st December

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/home/488795/changes-announced-for-120-edenderry-bus-route-to-dublin.html

devnull · 30-10-2019 11:07pm

Timetables have now been published:
https://www.goaheadireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland-gears-dublin-commuter-launch-1-dec-2019

On Sunday 1st December 2019, Go-Ahead Ireland will commence operation of a number of Commuter routes currently operated by Bus Éireann.

- Route 125 (Newbridge – Naas – Crumlin – Dublin – UCD)
- Route 126 (Rathangan – Kildare – Naas – Dublin)
- Route 130 (Athy – Kilcullen – Naas - Dublin)

Go-Ahead Ireland will commence operation of the following routes on 19th January 2020.

- Route 120 (Edenderry - Prosperous - Clane - Celbridge - Dublin
- Route 120 (Tullamore – Edenderry - Enfield)

Tomrota · 30-10-2019 11:41pm

devnull wrote: »

Timetables have now been published:
https://www.goaheadireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland-gears-dublin-commuter-launch-1-dec-2019

What a letdown. They created route 125 just for two journeys?

Vic_08 · 31-10-2019 2:18am

Tomrota wrote: »

What a letdown. They created route 125 just for two journeys?

All they have done is give them a different number, those services via SCR have been part of the 126 timetable for many years, as has the once a day Tallaght variation.

It looks like NTA have been busy allocating more resources to the off-peak service, I do hope they haven't ignored the peaks where BE currently run many services with 2 or more buses and in a few cases departures to different city locations concurrently.

pad199207 · 31-10-2019 7:53am

That new 126 timetable looks to be a far more frequent service starting from Naas than it was with Bus Eireann

Tomrota · 31-10-2019 5:04pm

Vic_08 wrote: »

All they have done is give them a different number, those services via SCR have been part of the 126 timetable for many years, as has the once a day Tallaght variation.

It looks like NTA have been busy allocating more resources to the off-peak service, I do hope they haven't ignored the peaks where BE currently run many services with 2 or more buses and in a few cases departures to different city locations concurrently.

It’s really not good enough. It costs sooooooo much money to get to UCD from Naas if those only two 125 services are missed which are both at 7am. Every other commuter town caps students at 20€ per week so that problem doesn’t exist. If you need to take the 126 and then 145 bus to UCD, it can cost over 60€ per week if you are not in college till the afternoon or if you’ve to submit an assignment. It’s really much cheaper and easier to drive.

It just makes no sense. That private coach green bus is packed to capacity to the red cow all the time because they charge reasonable prices. The 126 is consistently empty when it could be taking so many cars off the road. I guess the NTA doesn’t want it becoming popular in case god forbid they have to increase the level of service.

Rye Bread · 01-11-2019 11:18am

Talking to the driver on the 120 this morning who says they've been told the changeover has been pushed back to January.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 01-11-2019 12:17pm

Rye Bread wrote: »

Talking to the driver on the 120 this morning who says they've been told the changeover has been pushed back to January.

All hearsay and rumours.

Wouldn't believe drivers personally , as much as they think they are in the know , they aren't !

(Current driver here btw... !)

devnull · 01-11-2019 12:27pm

Rye Bread wrote: »

Talking to the driver on the 120 this morning who says they've been told the changeover has been pushed back to January.

As stated previously

1st December 2019
- Route 125 (Newbridge – Naas – Crumlin – Dublin – UCD)
- Route 126 (Rathangan – Kildare – Naas – Dublin)
- Route 130 (Athy – Kilcullen – Naas - Dublin)

19th January 2020.
- Route 120 (Edenderry - Prosperous - Clane - Celbridge - Dublin
- Route 120 (Tullamore – Edenderry - Enfield)

Riskymove · 05-11-2019 3:00pm

saw a Go Ahead Bus going through Celbridge - I presume it is drivers getting to know route?

AMKC · 06-11-2019 11:18pm

Riskymove wrote: »

saw a Go Ahead Bus going through Celbridge - I presume it is drivers getting to know route?

Yes it drivers training. I have seen it a few times too but not in Celbridge. I hope when the 120 does change to Go Ahead that they are all double decker buses. Also I think them VDL double decker buses actually look good in the new Go Ahead livery unlike the Volvo Dublin Buses which just look terribly dull in the new Go Ahead livery.

devnull · 06-11-2019 11:29pm

AMKC wrote: »

Also I think them VDL double decker buses actually look good in the new Go Ahead livery unlike the Volvo Dublin Buses which just look terribly dull in the new Go Ahead livery.

The livery is a tweaked version, slightly different shades of green and white, narrower angle on the stripes, which are closer together and Green TFI branding rather than white, does really improve the livery.

pad199207 · 07-11-2019 12:08am

Plenty of those new buses going through Naas now. A real mix of double deckers and coaches. The 192 coaches look very modern and sleek.

Tomrota · 07-11-2019 12:12am

pad199207 wrote: »

Plenty of those new buses going through Naas now. A real mix of double deckers and coaches. The 192 coaches look very modern and sleek.

Saw one in UCD. They look like they finally have a low floor so people who are weak or frail can actually take the bus now. The Bus Eireann buses had a giant cargo hold and a stairs just to get onto a bus. So unnecessary and ridiculous for a short commute. These buses look much better as far as I can see.

pad199207 · 07-11-2019 12:13am

Tomrota wrote: »

Saw one in UCD. They look like they finally have a low floor so people who are weak or frail can actually take the bus now. The Bus Eireann buses had a giant cargo hold and a stairs just to get onto a bus. So unnecessary and ridiculous for a short commute. These buses look much better as far as I can see.

That’s right they are much lower which would be a big benefit for a lot of people

Tomrota · 07-11-2019 12:20am

pad199207 wrote: »

That’s right they are much lower which would be a big benefit for a lot of people

Indeed. I know people who have MS or are frail who wouldn’t even consider using the 126 to get around for this very reason.

dublinman1990 · 07-11-2019 10:37pm

There is a photograph of one of these new low-floor Volvo coaches at Go-Ahead's Naas depot on Flickr. The livery on them is terrific.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/48943168157/in/photostream/lightbox/

punisher5112 · 07-11-2019 10:49pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

There is a photograph of one of these new low-floor Volvo coaches at Go-Ahead's Naas depot on Flickr. The livery on them is terrific.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/48943168157/in/photostream/lightbox/

See no front fogs fitted....

It's been the done thing on Ireland buses for a very very long time.

NTA obviously didn't tick it off.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 07-11-2019 11:06pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

See no front fogs fitted....

It's been the done thing on Ireland buses for a very very long time.

NTA obviously didn't tick it off.

They do have front fogs.

Although I don't think we need them.

Biggest waste is every dublin bus with front fogs and clowns driving with them on all the time.

punisher5112 · 07-11-2019 11:21pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

They do have front fogs.

Although I don't think we need them.

Biggest waste is every dublin bus with front fogs and clowns driving with them on all the time.

Not in photo above

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 07-11-2019 11:29pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not in photo above

Yes they do have front fogs

Built into the headlight units

Same as the BÉ VE !

I know for fact because I had a go on one in Donegal when I was on a break up there

punisher5112 · 07-11-2019 11:30pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Yes they do have front fogs

Built into the headlight units

Same as the BÉ VE !

I know for fact because I had a go on one in Donegal when I was on a break up there

Ah right sound.... Wasn't doubting you.
Previous model had them tiny ones lower down....

Joker2019 · 08-11-2019 1:22am

I have to say I really like the look of the new Volvos class for GAI and BE. They are a bit of a change from the usual coaches and a big step forward in terms of accessibility. Something different.

BE Services to Go-Ahead and Resulting Fleet Changes

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