what races will happen

ia not sure if that is correct
hardman is actually a very small company it's just the art of running races simple.
in germany the federation encouraged races to plan races and not to give up but most clubs just don't want to deal with the uncertainty ( which is of course totally understandable ) from what I understand it's less about profitability than uncertainty . while a company like hardman needs to survive ( and I would personally think what will happen is that he will get more people racing and that will mean races will get bigger and more orofitable. and when you enter races next year you will have more confidence entering a race that tried everything in 2020...

I think it will be the middle big race organicers that employ people and do t get races done that you will likely not see next year.

the reason I do not agree with you assestment is that so far the evidence points to that outdoor the infection risk us 18 to 20 times lower than inside. so the evidence at the moment just points the outside risk is low. I have no idea what the maximum of a group is safe in my mind a big city marathon defo not . a big triathlon with many spectators like Roth not . but races in the countryside of let's say 500 people I think should be relatively save based on the current evidence
or in other words at this time I would double the 50 euro iwas betting a while ago that races will happen
it should be way saver then opening indoor restaurants etc etc
I guess it's a bit more believe of more evidence based decision making. or more what crates more money and not evidence based.

Bertje14 wrote: »

I think you misunderstood when I said Hardman is bigger organisation. They are indeed small compared with IM or Challenge but compared with Triathlon Clubs that do 1 or 2 races a year they are big i.e. they might have more reserves. They are still a business while for a lot of the club the race is part of the funding of the club. Being involved on that level in my own club I have a bit of experience on the matter.

So yes it is to do with uncertainty but Hardman because they are "bigger" can deal with this better then a club. if all the costs are done and the race is cancelled it could mean the end of the club.

Look at what happened to CK. Great race but the year they had to cancel the swim they couldn't afford to repay all the entries. Now the race is gone. Guess they didn't want to take the risk anymore.

On what is safe or isn't I am not going to make any statements. How could I as i know nothing about it. I am not an expert in viruses or no anything about pandemics.

I just honestly can't see it happening but I could be wrong. To be honest I hope that I am wrong.

well as for big I would not be entirely suprised if there was 2 clubs that in turnover are quite close.
I would still disagree that hardman has it easier than a club.
he just runs races even if there is only 60 people . while most say it's not worth it.
I do not say what's right or wrong.and that's a decision everybody has to make for themselves.
I just say it's always easy to say others have it easier.
usually it's others are more committed.or have a different philosphy.

Bertje14 wrote: »

OK I am getting the feeling you are thinking I am having a pop at Hardman. Couldn't be further from the truth. Some of his events are on my bucket list.

it could be that Hardman is a smaller organization that some clubs but there you are pointing out the essence of what I am saying. Hardman isn't a club. He doesn't have members. He runs races. That is what he does. And does well and hope he can run them for a a very very long time.

If a club make the commitment to run the races and makes the necessary cost and then the plug is pulled on it. It would leave the club with a big financial hole that it might not be able to fill. And then that is the end of the club.

So it isn't about more committed or different philosophy. It isn't about "pointing a finger" and saying well he has it easier. It is about acting with due care. For a club that is the existence of the club and it is members.

so basically it's about organicing simple races that if race does not happen not much is lost . no thisrts no medales etc.
again this is the glass half full thread . as with everything in life there is risks so it's about how too minimize the risks.
one of my favorite races ever was the Aquaman in Bray when it did not even have a timming chip if a race like this has to be cancelled the loss of the club is "only " volunteer work which is bad enough but nothing that would endanger a club. .