2000 & 1000 Guineas weekend 06/07 June

supremenovice · 01-06-2020 12:45pm #1

5 days to go and I still cant find a card for the 2000 Guineas.
I see Pricewise had an Antepost selection in the RP today, anyone see what it was? As I've mentioned in previous threads, I don't think much of Aidans 3yo crop this year based on 2yo form so I'll be ruling out his. Hard to see past Pinatubo but I'd like to spot something at a big price. Thoughts?

tryfix · 01-06-2020 4:49pm

2,000 Guineas nominations: Al Suhail, Arizona, Cepheus, Juan Elcano, Kameko, Kenzai Warrior, Kinross, Military March, Mums Tipple, New World Tapestry, Persuasion, Pinatubo, Royal Dornoch, Starcat, Wichita

https://www.racingpost.com/news/classic-countdown/frankie-dettori-to-ride-for-ballydoyle-in-sundays-2000-guineas-at-newmarket/435594

Frankie Dettori and Ryan Moore to ride for Ballydoyle.

Aside from Pinatubo it's hard to enthuse too much about any one particular horse. With the brilliant weather in the last month or so it's possible that something in the pack is going to have bloomed by the day of the race,

del roy · 01-06-2020 11:15pm

So wonderful getting backed for the Irish 1000g 13/2 with Paddys...and 20s with laddies for Newmarket.

Sorry meant to say....$h!t backed her for Newmarket.

The Tetrarch · 03-06-2020 12:45pm

The Racing Post predictor, the cartoon running of the race, has Kameko the winner by daylight, and Pinatubo not in the first six.

RivetingRoger · 03-06-2020 8:44pm

Gone for the obvious fav double in the 2 Guineas races
Did Wichita ew also
God its great to be back
New found love for the flat!!

Newcastle was great, Kempton was great, but to see Yarmouth, on turf..... Glad the heart!

Gavin "shels" · 03-06-2020 8:46pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

New found love for the flat!!

Roger! :eek:

Earendil · 03-06-2020 8:56pm

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Roger! :eek:

He’s definitely not allowed be in charge of the Cheltenham countdown for next March now the Judas bastad!

RivetingRoger · 03-06-2020 9:19pm

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Roger! :eek:

Gavin ðŸ˜

RivetingRoger · 03-06-2020 9:23pm

Earendil wrote: »

He’s definitely not allowed be in charge of the Cheltenham countdown for next March now the Judas bastad!

Look.... Its like giving up hooring for a year, then you go to Amsterdam and the girl in the window looks like Evelyn Cusack...
Its not Siobhán Ryan, its not Siún ní Gearailt, but f**k it, its better than Martin King!
. Take what you can get!

stretchaq · 03-06-2020 10:23pm

Like mums tipple, it’s second race last year was mighty impressive, was lame after finishing last of 7 in a group one after has a chance at 33s

Slattsy · 03-06-2020 11:04pm

Is there a Mod yet? Or still like the wild West here.

RivetingRoger · 03-06-2020 11:05pm

stretchaq wrote: »

Like mums tipple, it’s second race last year was mighty impressive, was lame after finishing last of 7 in a group one after has a chance at 33s

Interested that Hannon running him and not Threat?
Relevant?

Andrew00 · 03-06-2020 11:50pm

Royal Dornoch all the way folks at 33s.

Cant believe the price difference between him and Kameko

stretchaq · 04-06-2020 12:19am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Interested that Hannon running him and not Threat?
Relevant?

Possibly my worry would be can he stay 1m, but that’s always a worry isn’t it,

The Mig · 04-06-2020 9:22am

Slattsy wrote: »

Is there a Mod yet? Or still like the wild West here.

Story bud!

Slattsy · 04-06-2020 9:48am

The Mig wrote: »

Story bud!

I see you're still a pleb like the rest of us!

The Mig · 04-06-2020 9:58am

Slattsy wrote: »

I see you're still a pleb like the rest of us!

:pac:

Military March ew in the 2000 and Love in the 1000 for me.

longshotvalue · 04-06-2020 11:13am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Royal Dornoch all the way folks at 33s.

Cant believe the price difference between him and Kameko

Hell be my pretty obvious selection in this as well. love horses that come back for more at the end of a race.

BoldReason · 04-06-2020 2:22pm

Honestly think anything close to even money is a cracking bet for Pinatubo.

longshotvalue · 04-06-2020 3:50pm

BoldReason wrote: »

Honestly think anything close to even money is a cracking bet for Pinatubo.

Probably right, and as much as i think royal dornach is value, Arizona seems very likely to be 2nd here, and i'm interested to see what price he'll be w/o. Arizona will be prepared with this in mind and should be rearing to go. anything over 7/2 would be a lovely price

The Tetrarch · 04-06-2020 5:39pm

When posting your selections, please give as much information as possible to back up why you think this horse has a good chance.

Euro 100 Anthony Van Dyck at 9s (8/1) in the Coronation Cup.
The ground should be fast and that suits him.

Ghaiyyath - can look impressive if allowed an easy lead. A few of his wins are abroad, Germany, Dubai. He has folded against top class horses.
Has won once over 12f (in Germany).
Has not run on firm ground. His dam won the Irish 1000 Guineas on heavy.

Stradivarius - has run 16 times at 14f to 20f since his only run at 12f (2nd). This is 12f.
My guess is his target is the 20f Ascot Gold Cup and this is a prep for that.

Defoe - won this race last year at Epsom. Not many aged 6yo and older have won the race.
Last year a St Leger winner was 2nd and the 3rd has a lifetime 3 wins from 27. Perhaps the race was not too competitive.

Anthony Van Dyck - has run 5 times without winning since his English Derby win.
That Derby win was over half a second faster than Defoe's win the previous day on slightly slower ground.
I will accept excuses for a few of those five losses:
2nd by 6l to Sovereign ("soon led and made rest") in the Irish Derby (the winner got away from the field).
10th of 11 to Enable on good/soft in the King Georg & QE II (trainers' rep said colt was unsuited by the ground on this occasion and would prefer a faster surface).
Irish Champion Staked 3rd to Magical - lost to a very good 4yo filly, winner of four Group 1s.
Breeders Cup Turf 3rd "not clear run and stumbled over 1f out"
Honk Kong Vase 12th, drawn 12 of 14. 13th was drawn 11, 14th was drawn 13th.
When I was looking at the runners for the 2019 Derby he won I noticed that the fastest average furlong times (race time/furlongs) were run by Anthon Van Dyck when a 2yo (7f twice).

Broome - difficult to assess. He has finished behind Anthony Van Dyck twice. His three lifetime wins were on Y/Sft, Sft, Gd/Y, and the ground tomorrow will probably be given as good/firm but will be firm.

Desert Encounter - has won two 12f Group 1s, the Canadian International at Woodwine twice (race ratings 117 and 111). His form is usually Group 3 level.

Alounak - four wins from 14 runs, those wins all 10f or less.

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Euro 100 at 11s (10/1) on Arizona in the English 2000 Guineas

Pinatubo's form is 111111. His price is 5/6.
That form is almost eight months old.
Would you back a horse in November based on his win in March?
If there is a negative to me about Pinatubo and Arizona it is they started running in early May 2019, and that suggests very early maturity.

BoldReason · 04-06-2020 6:29pm

I take your last point but if they ran this race in November Pinatubo would be about 1/2.

The price is very fair for anyone who would want to take those sort of prices.

unplayable · 04-06-2020 6:50pm

looking forward to seeing waldkonig that debut was frightening.

small double him and pinatubo at 3/1 for some interest.

BoldReason · 04-06-2020 6:54pm

Id hate to tip up every favorite but Sangarius at 7/4 seems a bit big. He is a group 1 winner in waiting for me and think he will start closer even money. Apart from the 2 godolphin horse which I'm not sure what to make of the rest are pretty much handicappers.
Has to be a bet at 7/4

RivetingRoger · 04-06-2020 7:25pm

Trip too short for stradivarius lads?
Some quality horses at big prices... AVD, Broome, Defoe
French horse far too short for me

Banner fights back · 04-06-2020 7:41pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Trip too short for stradivarius lads?
Some quality horses at big prices... AVD, Broome, Defoe
French horse far too short for me

Stradivarius has one goal at mind and it's definitely not tomorrow. In two weeks time he will try to defend his Ascot Gold Cup crown. To me he is a definite lay. Can't see Frankie giving him a hard time here.

My nap for tomorrow is Dawaam at the 3:00 at Newmarket. Two starts two wins and very unexposed and looked good last time in Wolverhampton late last year after slowly getting into stride but finished very strongly. Jim Crowley on board is massive and while this is his first start on turf 14/1 looks very good value in a wide open race.

Dr. Bre · 04-06-2020 8:23pm

Who wins the corona nation cup tomorrow?

Andrew00 · 04-06-2020 9:25pm

Brando tomorrow lads lump on

tryfix · 04-06-2020 10:22pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Trip too short for stradivarius lads?
Some quality horses at big prices... AVD, Broome, Defoe
French horse far too short for me

'tis a quality field alright. Ghayyaith loves Good ground and is a long way clear of the bunch at this trip so his price seems fair to me, but those Godolphin yokes are hard to trust. It will be good to see how ready O'Brien's horses are at this stage of the season.

RivetingRoger · 04-06-2020 10:49pm

Ever since I didn't back Tiger Roll in the Boyne Hurdle at 25s, whenever I see a top class horse at a big price I have to go in....
AVD @ 15/2 could be huge this time tomorrow........
Derby winner, young class horse, Stradivarius at a trip not his ideal, Defoe hit and miss, French yoke obviously geeo but ran a shocker in the Arc...
Look,I am reaching, but..... Pruce looks big to me

RivetingRoger · 04-06-2020 10:49pm

Never wrote so much about a flat race in my life!

Morleystreet · 04-06-2020 11:09pm

Think their won't be much between the O,Brien pair. Reverse forecast on AVD/Broome is 40-1 (b365). I'll try that.

madmoose · 05-06-2020 6:54am

AVD is not all that in my view but he could be the type to get on early season and in a race like this which looks open to me, i know a Group 1 is what it is but AVD could be more primed for this than some of the others.

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 9:28am

BoldReason wrote: »

Id hate to tip up every favorite but Sangarius at 7/4 seems a bit big. He is a group 1 winner in waiting for me and think he will start closer even money. Apart from the 2 godolphin horse which I'm not sure what to make of the rest are pretty much handicappers.
Has to be a bet at 7/4

No Sangarius. Guess he runs in the Brigadier Gérard on Sunday. Dissapointing really as think he will be more effective at a mile in my view but happy to be proven wrong.

Slattsy · 05-06-2020 11:41am

If there was any confidence behind Broome i'd be interested. Defoe getting big at 5s too. Has a leg fell off??

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 11:48am

Thought Defoe would second favorite myself. Might have a speculative bet on him.

longshotvalue · 05-06-2020 11:55am

Slattsy wrote: »

If there was any confidence behind Broome i'd be interested. Defoe getting big at 5s too. Has a leg fell off??

Broome going for gold cup I’d imagine . Not sure the fav has actually beaten anything of note . Soundly on the avd bus here .

Slattsy · 05-06-2020 12:12pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Broome going for gold cup I’d imagine . Not sure the fav has actually beaten anything of note . Soundly on the avd bus here .

Tbh I'm completely out of the loop with horses' future plans, might well be the case. Thought he was interesting at twice the price of AVD on Epsom running.

Daraa · 05-06-2020 12:16pm

Cheeky very small Brando & AVD Double for me today.

The Tetrarch · 05-06-2020 12:33pm

Tiny reverse forecast Anthony Van Dyck / Defoe at 17s. :rolleyes:

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 1:19pm

Recon Mission in the 6f handicap at 1.50 is of interest at 16/1 5 places with paddy Power. Can be given excuses for most of his last few runs. Lto in the Abbaye I'd stick a line through. The race before that in York wasn't really run to suit. They went very quick and he never really got into it. If he came back to any similar level of form that he showed early last year he would be bang there in this over his preferred 6f.

16/1 is to big

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 1:56pm

BoldReason wrote: »

Recon Mission in the 6f handicap at 1.50 is of interest at 16/1 5 places with paddy Power. Can be given excuses for most of his last few runs. Lto in the Abbaye I'd stick a line through. The race before that in York wasn't really run to suit. They went very quick and he never really got into it. If he came back to any similar level of form that he showed early last year he would be bang there in this over his preferred 6f.

16/1 is to big

Like all scumbaggy each way bets. They punt the ears off him and he finishes 1 place outside the places. Welcome back

longshotvalue · 05-06-2020 3:12pm

AS much as i think Ghaayyaith is overrated, judging by other races front runners are more or less impossible to catch today. Hopefully AVD can buck the trend

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 3:19pm

I wouldn't really say he is overrated much. Just highly inconsistent. If he runs to his very best they won't see which way he went. However he has only done that maybe 2 or 3 times in his career

Daraa · 05-06-2020 3:19pm

I'm ready to give out about Ryan Moore if you all are?

Slattsy · 05-06-2020 3:21pm

Broome for me. Wonder will Doyle try to make it?

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 3:30pm

To many unknowns. Decided to leave it off. Was tempted by Defoe but couldn't pull the trigger. Best of luck anyone with a bet.

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 3:36pm

Defoe after taking some walk in the market on BF.

irish_major · 05-06-2020 3:39pm

Some performance

BoldReason · 05-06-2020 3:39pm

Some run that.

unplayable · 05-06-2020 3:39pm

wow

2000 & 1000 Guineas weekend 06/07 June

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