Waterproof options

Colm17RvB · 14-10-2019 12:18pm #1

Got drenched this morning on the way in, so much so that I was actually thinking about taking the car next time it's raining, such horrible thoughts. I apologised to my bike for mentally cheating on it while riding and promised I won't act on my devious thoughts.

Anyways... my gear is drip drying on a rack close to a radiator, and jumper is on said rad as it's soaked too.

I normally treat my jacket and pants with a rain sealant or wax of some sort, e.g. Oxford rain seal or Nikwax, but haven't done that since end of last summer. What do you guys recommend treatment wise?

Also, does anyone have any specific recommendations for waterproof overalls?

My gear is Dainese gore tex, a bit old (6 years I think?!) but in very good condition so no need for replacement yet at all, it's just a tad leakier than it was in it's heyday.

sirmixalot · 14-10-2019 12:46pm

I've one of these

Not the most attractive looking thing but works perfectly, a pair of over boot covers and dry to the bone after my 25km commute in the p!ssings this morning.

colm_c · 14-10-2019 12:53pm

I'm a dainese fan, but I find if you're wearing it regularly, 4-5 years is about how long they last before they start to leak.

I've tried various treatments, but they were only short term.

Colm17RvB · 14-10-2019 1:10pm

colm_c wrote: »

I'm a dainese fan, but I find if you're wearing it regularly, 4-5 years is about how long they last before they start to leak.

I've tried various treatments, but they were only short term.

That's what I was worried about, gear is perfect, bar the waterproofing. I've had to treat it the last 2 years, but not necessary to buy new gear any time soon.

sirmixalot wrote: »

I've one of these

Not the most attractive looking thing but works perfectly, a pair of over boot covers and dry to the bone after my 25km commute in the p!ssings this morning.

Gonna have to opt for this. I was looking at the Held, RST or Richa. Generally ride with a hi-viz so might get a rain suit with that already incorporated.

I'm not precious about form at the cost of function, but don't want it flapping in the wind while riding. How do you find the fit? I'm in size 52 jacket and pants, don't wanna go full Michelin Man on it, but also don't want something that isn't gonna have any effect cos it's too small.

GBX · 14-10-2019 1:16pm

Them one piece rain suits can be a nuisance to get on and off. But they are generally a great option. Because you need to size up to get over gear its sometimes hard not to look like the michelin man as well.

zubair · 14-10-2019 1:23pm

If it was me, I'd go 2 piece.

K.Flyer · 14-10-2019 1:24pm

I know it wasn't pretty looking, but when I used to do average 120km daily in the rain I used to wear black cheap(ish) water proof pull ups and jacket over my gear. Quick and easy to put on / take off / store and it kept me 95% dry in the worse of weather.
Last bike was a big trailie, so in the winter I would put the mitts on the bars which kept hands, switches etc nice and dry.
In the absolute worse weather I might get a bit of water getting in around the neck, but otherwise dry and with the extra layer a bit warmer in the cold.

honda boi · 14-10-2019 1:33pm

sirmixalot wrote: »

I've one of these

Not the most attractive looking thing but works perfectly, a pair of over boot covers and dry to the bone after my 25km commute in the p!ssings this morning.

I've used this exact one for over 6 weeks.
Been in the trenching rain/storm and my gear underneath is bone dry.
I got it the same size as my gear. Fits over grand.
It does the job brilliantly.

sirmixalot · 14-10-2019 1:34pm

I'm 5'10, wear a large Richa jacket and trousers.
Got the extra large in the over suit and fits perfect. I ride a VStrom 1000 with the stock wind deflector and feel no flapping at all in it. Nothing in the chest area and esp not in the legs, there's not much room between the over suit and the jacket/trousers so all good in that part.
I agree with GBX though, was a pain at the start but do it a few times and you develop a knack for it, especially if you have a pair covers for your boots, those covers make your boots slide straight through the material as the rubber from just boots makes them awkward as f%$k to get on/off.

schaffer · 15-10-2019 12:34am

Colm17RvB wrote: »

My gear is Dainese gore tex, a bit old (6 years I think?!) but in very good condition so no need for replacement yet at all, it's just a tad leakier than it was in it's heyday.

Try contacting gore-tex directly as they have a supposed guarantee
https://www.gore-tex.com/support/guarantee-and-returns

See also the following on how they recommend to refresh the water repellency
https://www.gore-tex.com/restoring-water-repellency

Richard tea · 15-10-2019 8:04am

I only recently discovered that there are different variations of Gore Tex. I hope to pick up some gear at the end of the year in the sales. I'll be aiming for the Gore Tex pro laminated. I believe this doesn't allow water past the first barrier. It's pricy but I look at it as a 10 year investment ( if looked after).

Only problem now is there are so many different opinions on the brand its hard to decide. Rukka seem to get the best review but then there are alot saying the likes of Richa which could be half the price does just as well.

I have looked at the roadcraft aerostitch which looks good but I would be worried about the fit and having to send it back to the States for repairs etc.

listermint · 15-10-2019 8:30am

I ride all year around commuting long distances. Genuinely Ireland isn't as pissy wet as is made out.

I'd say my gear gets properly soaked about 14 days if the year total.

Personally I'd just go with an over suit.

zubair · 15-10-2019 8:39am

Gore tex laminate Is well reviewed but for it to last 10 years it would mean you'd have to keep the bike upright for 10 years too. Because it's the outer layer I'd imagine it's one use when it comes to impacts/ accidents. With a high denier outer layer your jacket is more likely to survive an accident. That was something I considered anyway when looking at goretex options.

You can't go wrong with Rukka or Richa, I'd get the cheaper of the 2 unless one has a particular feature you really want but both would be equally waterproof.

Tzardine · 15-10-2019 8:41am

In my almost 20 years of riding I have not found any piece of gear that kept me dry. My commute is 1 hour on the motorway. Driving rain at 120kph always finds a way in.

I have tried so many different gear setups over the years but after about 30 mins in heavy rain you feel the familiar cold trickle down the ball sack.

I have just accepted that biking in the rain over a long distance means that I get soaked.

zubair · 15-10-2019 8:45am

Tzardine wrote: »

In my almost 20 years of riding I have not found any piece of gear that kept me dry. My commute is 1 hour on the motorway. Driving rain at 120kph always finds a way in.

I have tried so many different gear setups over the years but after about 30 mins in heavy rain you feel the familiar cold trickle down the ball sack.

I have just accepted that biking in the rain over a long distance means that I get soaked.

Goretex.

zubair · 15-10-2019 8:46am

listermint wrote: »

I ride all year around commuting long distances. Genuinely Ireland isn't as pissy wet as is made out.

I'd say my gear gets properly soaked about 14 days if the year total.

Tzardine · 15-10-2019 8:48am

zubair wrote: »

Goretex.

Had Dainese goretex boots and gloves. Both leaked.

zubair · 15-10-2019 8:57am

Tzardine wrote: »

Had Dainese goretex boots and gloves. Both leaked.

Gloves will always leak before anything else does because there's so many seams and they get more use, I've come to accept this but goretex will last longer than most . My goretex boots haven't leaked in 3 years. My jacket and trousers are the same after a year. All used daily.

colm_c · 15-10-2019 9:01am

Tzardine wrote: »

Had Dainese goretex boots and gloves. Both leaked.

I've got the same goretex boots for 6 years, still leak free.

Gloves usually start to leak for me after 2 years, again with the seams.

Jacket/pants, usually the seams start to leak after 5 years.

All gore-tex and I ride daily, 300+ days per year.

listermint · 15-10-2019 9:53am

zubair wrote: »

Tbf how many days would you be soaked through on the bike. I bet you can count them.

honda boi · 15-10-2019 11:48am

Tzardine wrote: »

Had Dainese goretex boots and gloves. Both leaked.

I've been using muffs so my summer gloves are usually dry all the time

zubair · 15-10-2019 6:32pm

listermint wrote: »

Tbf how many days would you be soaked through on the bike. I bet you can count them.

Well, I never get soaked through as above but I definitely think i rride on more wet days than dry ones in a year.

Richard tea · 15-10-2019 9:09pm

zubair wrote: »

Gore tex laminate Is well reviewed but for it to last 10 years it would mean you'd have to keep the bike upright for 10 years too. Because it's the outer layer I'd imagine it's one use when it comes to impacts/ accidents. With a high denier outer layer your jacket is more likely to survive an accident. That was something I considered anyway when looking at goretex options.

You can't go wrong with Rukka or Richa, I'd get the cheaper of the 2 unless one has a particular feature you really want but both would be equally waterproof.

This seems to be common advice. Go for certain features that suit you best.

Is it common to mix different brands of jackets and pants. Should they all fit zip wise? To save on a few shillings a normal Gore Tex pants could match well with a decent high spec jacket.

zubair · 15-10-2019 9:33pm

Richard tea wrote: »

This seems to be common advice. Go for certain features that suit you best.

Is it common to mix different brands of jackets and pants. Should they all fit zip wise? To save on a few shillings a normal Gore Tex pants could match well with a decent high spec jacket.

I'd match brands or if you don't want to, make sure the zips are comparable, I'm not aware of any brands that share zips though. While it's not the end of the world if they don't, zipping together is safer and more comfortable.

When you say normal Gore Tex pants what do you mean?

Richard tea · 15-10-2019 11:25pm

zubair wrote: »

I'd match brands or if you don't want to, make sure the zips are comparable, I'm not aware of any brands that share zips though. While it's not the end of the world if they don't, zipping together is safer and more comfortable.

When you say normal Gore Tex pants what do you mean?

Normal as in the have a gore tex inner membrane as apposed to Gore Tex pro which is on the outer of the garment. Well that's how I read it anyway.

Fabio · 16-10-2019 5:29pm

Try Nikwax cleaner, and then Nikwax TX Direct. It might well restore the water repellancy to prevent the Goretex from "wetting out". Big article here on it: https://www.webbikeworld.com/nikwax-review/

zubair · 16-10-2019 8:02pm

Richard tea wrote: »

Normal as in the have a gore tex inner membrane as apposed to Gore Tex pro which is on the outer of the garment. Well that's how I read it anyway.

Ah yes, maybe.

Personally, I wouldn't go with the laminate gear on the bike. But I'm a magnet for smidsys and diesel.

zubair · 22-10-2019 11:24am

Just got an offer via email for anyone looking for over suits. it's in the landing page banner, I couldn't link the actual offer.

https://www.getgeared.co.uk/

Colm17RvB · 23-10-2019 4:22pm

Looked at one piece waterproof suit in Megabikes the other day, they didn't have my size in stock (I don't wanna be stay puft marshmallow man!), so I'll be heading back into them end of this week / start of next week to get a new one.

Did the goretex cleaning treatment lark on my gear at the weekend, haven't been caught in the rain since, but I think given the age of my gear a one piece waterproof will be the way to go either way.

Appreciate all the responses :cool:

sirmixalot · 07-11-2019 10:15am

Colm17RvB wrote: »

Got drenched this morning on the way in, so much so that I was actually thinking about taking the car next time it's raining, such horrible thoughts. I apologised to my bike for mentally cheating on it while riding and promised I won't act on my devious thoughts.

Anyways... my gear is drip drying on a rack close to a radiator, and jumper is on said rad as it's soaked too.

I normally treat my jacket and pants with a rain sealant or wax of some sort, e.g. Oxford rain seal or Nikwax, but haven't done that since end of last summer. What do you guys recommend treatment wise?

Also, does anyone have any specific recommendations for waterproof overalls?

My gear is Dainese gore tex, a bit old (6 years I think?!) but in very good condition so no need for replacement yet at all, it's just a tad leakier than it was in it's heyday.

Well Colm17RvB, did you get a one piece, If you did I'd say you appreciated it this morning, grim out there to say the least...

Banzai600 · 07-11-2019 12:05pm

i bike all year round, Iindstrands 2 pce rain gear by far the best i have ever had.

https://halvarssonsmc.se/product/wpjacketblackyellow-mcraincoat/ jacket & pants, havent let me down yet in 12 months.

I switch to daytona goretex boots during winter for comfort and dry feet.

CJhaughey · 07-11-2019 1:10pm

I sometimes wonder if a two piece suit is better than a one piece, any one piece suit that ever leaked came in through the crotch so it looked like I peed myself, the water runs down and pools in the crotch where the zipper is and that is not usually sealed.
Two piece suits don't have a zip in the crotch just the sides of the legs and so water can't really leak through sealed material as easily.

Colm17RvB · 07-11-2019 2:34pm

sirmixalot wrote: »

Well Colm17RvB, did you get a one piece, If you did I'd say you appreciated it this morning, grim out there to say the least...

Nope! Let's just say I'm a bit cold this morning and have borrowed a towel from the canteen, I'm not leaving my desk today

I think I might have it home and wash it after.

Megabikes didn't have my size in stock at the time, so just waiting on them to come in. Tick tock.

Banzai600 · 07-11-2019 2:40pm

MB's stock the 2 pce i was talking about , one piece too much hassle unless doing a long stint in hard weather.

Colm17RvB · 07-11-2019 2:49pm

I tried the two piece on when I was in with them, it's nice, so was the Oxford Rainseal, but seeing as my crotch is soaked rotten this morning (again) I'll be going with the one piece!

I'm doing over 90km a day so one piece makes more sense for me.

sirmixalot · 07-11-2019 2:51pm

Colm17RvB wrote: »

my crotch is soaked rotten this morning

Not in a good way

Banzai600 · 07-11-2019 2:52pm

Fair enough

lindstrands far batter than the oxford imo, best out there ive found.

dbas · 07-11-2019 3:00pm

Cotter have the richa two piece outer wear. 60 for the set. Far better that the one piece I had from mega bikes before,
But the main issue is the size. It has to be fairly big to go over your gear without ripping the seams as u get on/off the bike.
Pissed rain from greystones to dublin 8 and I'm bone dry.

Colm17RvB · 21-11-2019 12:22pm

Got my one piece the other day, and have had 2 days of horrific rain since I got it, kept me bone dry so I'm happy out!

I should have got the XL instead of the L just for ease of getting it on and off, the L is perfect, but a bit frustrating putting it on.

Banzai600 · 21-11-2019 12:26pm

sell the L size, take a hit on the cost and buy the one that fits.

this is why i went for a 2 piece, the lindstrands rain gear is exceptional kit.

sirmixalot · 21-11-2019 12:55pm

Colm17RvB wrote: »

Got my one piece the other day, and have had 2 days of horrific rain since I got it, kept me bone dry so I'm happy out!

I should have got the XL instead of the L just for ease of getting it on and off, the L is perfect, but a bit frustrating putting it on.

Good stuff, things I learned while gimping up in that suit.

Sit while putting it on (more frustrating standing)
Put boots on after if possible (the rubber always causes friction with material inside)
Boot covers help if leaving boots on first and getting into suit after

Colm17RvB · 21-11-2019 3:43pm

Also don't wear them if it's not raining, they're bloody sweat suits!

There's another lad in the office who was slagging me the other day over my Michelin Man suit, but he came in today a drowned rat. He might have changed his tune after that, so potential buyer.

Emmersonn · 21-11-2019 7:51pm

sirmixalot wrote: »

Good stuff, things I learned while gimping up in that suit.
Sit while putting it on (more frustrating standing)

Put boots on after if possible (the rubber always causes friction with material inside)

Boot covers help if leaving boots on first and getting into suit after

A plastic shopping bag over your boot will ease putting it on .

Richard tea · 22-11-2019 9:19pm

zubair wrote: »

Gore tex laminate Is well reviewed but for it to last 10 years it would mean you'd have to keep the bike upright for 10 years too. Because it's the outer layer I'd imagine it's one use when it comes to impacts/ accidents. With a high denier outer layer your jacket is more likely to survive an accident. That was something I considered anyway when looking at goretex options.

You can't go wrong with Rukka or Richa, I'd get the cheaper of the 2 unless one has a particular feature you really want but both would be equally waterproof.

Seems a decent price. They normally have a black Friday sale. Any current discount codes going around?
https://www.motorcycleshop.ie/richa-atlantic-gore-tex-jacket-black-58330-p.asp

Would you pic the above or https://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/en_IE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/10207048/Products/Rukka-Armocy-Motorcycle-Textile-Jacket/SubProducts/Rukka-Armocy-Motorcycle-Textile-Jacket-0001

I find it really hard to to distinguish between Rukka jacket versions.
The Armocy only shows up on the fc-moto website. Its a variation of the Armaxis that came out in 2014. Is the Armocy a newer updated version?

Or if you had a budget of 1k. What would you go for....Must be Gore tex laminate though.

zubair · 23-11-2019 12:46am

Richard tea wrote: »

The Armocy only shows up on the fc-moto website. Its a variation of the Armaxis that came out in 2014. Is the Armocy a newer updated version?

Or if you had a budget of 1k. What would you go for....Must be Gore tex laminate though.

Website says it's exclusive. Probably the same thing but with some minor changes.

I know most people consider A* a mid range brand but I think their gear is great and lasts forever, have always been impressed by anything I bought. I'd save some of my 1k for petrol money or gloves, which I go though at an astonishing rate.

PCeeeee · 23-11-2019 1:17pm

zubair wrote: »

Website says it's exclusive. Probably the same thing but with some minor changes.

I know most people consider A* a mid range brand but I think their gear is great and lasts forever, have always been impressed by anything I bought. I'd save some of my 1k for petrol money or gloves, which I go though at an astonishing rate.

Do you always buy the same gloves?

zubair · 23-11-2019 10:24pm

PCeeeee wrote: »

Do you always buy the same gloves?

I don't think I've ever bought the same type twice. The current ones are in their second winter and are doing OK.

PCeeeee · 23-11-2019 11:14pm

zubair wrote: »

I don't think I've ever bought the same type twice. The current ones are in their second winter and are doing OK.

A good man to ask in future so.

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