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The Luas: Badly designed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Google maps says that walk takes 30 minutes. Even if you’re power walking that will take at least 20 minutes. The Luas will take about 10 minutes but certainly no more than 15. Of course if you’re adding waiting time for changing trams then that’s a different story.

    Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes


  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes
    I've never once had the luas take 6 or 7 minutes to get to Trinity at rush hour. It routinely, and by routinely I mean nearly every single day at rush hour, it takes 13-15 minutes to get to Harcourt. Today it took 11 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I've never once had the luas take 6 or 7 minutes to get to Trinity at rush hour. It routinely, and by routinely I mean nearly every single day at rush hour, it takes 13-15 minutes to get to Harcourt. Today it took 11 minutes.

    11 minutes from where to where?


  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    11 minutes from where to where?
    Marlborough to Harcourt Street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Marlborough to Harcourt Street.

    Which end of Harcourt St?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The Luas in college green will regularly completely block the junction there for traffic travelling up townsend street, only a matter of time before a car or truck doesnt realise the green light is only a suggestion there and ploughs into a carriage

    Apparently the traffic corps are okay with this carry on right outside their window.

    So yeah, not the best system in the world


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Bambi wrote: »
    The Luas in college green will regularly completely block the junction there for traffic travelling up townsend street, only a matter of time before a car or truck doesnt realise the green light is only a suggestion there and ploughs into a carriage

    Apparently the traffic corps are okay with this carry on right outside their window.

    So yeah, not the best system in the world

    Well its taxi and Dublin Bus that make this happen by blocking access to Trinity....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Well its taxi and Dublin Bus that make this happen by blocking access to Trinity....

    Who's responsibility is it to ensure that they only cross a junction when they have space to clear it?


    The old luas drivers have been given a TFI papal blessing to do as they see fit, the results are evident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Bambi wrote: »
    Who's responsibility is it to ensure that they only cross a junction when they have space to clear it?


    The old luas drivers have been given a TFI papal blessing to do as they see fit, the results are evident.

    Again bus and taxi are blocking boxes. If trams waited for clearance they would be hours.


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    The biggest design flaw was not putting it in a tunnel.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    17 minutes last night from Charlemont to O'Connell. I decided to give it a try this morning on the reverse but at just before 8.30 this morning but the next tram at Marlborough was 8 minutes away so I walked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes


    Just over nine minutes from Marlborough to Harcourt on Friday evening at rush hour;

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Marlborough to Charlemont yesterday morning was 21minutes.

    Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Marlborough to Charlemont yesterday morning was 21minutes.

    Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly

    I am sure when its pissing rain you have no problem using it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I am sure when its pissing rain you have no problem using it.

    What has that got to do with the length of time it takes? I used it yesterday, I was banjoed after training.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭fatknacker


    It should have a leap scanner on board


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    fatknacker wrote: »
    It should have a leap scanner on board

    You'd see a big rush for it when the orange lads got on though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko



    Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly

    Nope, elapsed time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Nope, elapsed time.

    Fair enough, seems you got lucky. It's not been that way for me. Now there are times it's quick but for me it's taking 17-20 odd minutes going that way around 8.30ish.

    If I get off the Red Line at Abbey at 8.30 I walk because I know I'll be in work on time whereas I've been late if I take the Green Line. Thankfully I'll be back commuting on the bike in 2 weeks which takes all of 15minutes from door to door :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭jrmb


    You'd see a big rush for it when the orange lads got on though.
    That's true but no doubt they could temporarily turn them off. In France, on-board scanners work well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    jrmb wrote: »
    That's true but no doubt they could temporarily turn them off. In France, on-board scanners work well.

    There’s no need for on board scanners really, maybe an email extra couple at stations wouldn’t go amiss. If you turned them off people could just claim I was waiting my turn and it just went off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭jrmb


    salmocab wrote: »
    There’s no need for on board scanners really, maybe an email extra couple at stations wouldn’t go amiss. If you turned them off people could just claim I was waiting my turn and it just went off.
    I appreciate your point but in French cities this doesn't seem to be a problem. I've had to get used to tagging on at the last minute, on the off chance that there's no space on the tram or that it doesn't arrive for a long time. On-board scanners would eliminate that.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    fatknacker wrote: »
    It should have a leap scanner on board

    Needs a but more than a few screws. It would require a design change in how leap itself works with luas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    jrmb wrote: »
    I appreciate your point but in French cities this doesn't seem to be a problem. I've had to get used to tagging on at the last minute, on the off chance that there's no space on the tram or that it doesn't arrive for a long time. On-board scanners would eliminate that.

    There's barely room to breathe on rush hour trams. How many scanners are you going to need to ensure they are reachable? Where are you going to locate them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Fair enough, seems you got lucky. It's not been that way for me. Now there are times it's quick but for me it's taking 17-20 odd minutes going that way around 8.30ish.
    15 minutes in Friday rush hour

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Map of Dublin Trams from 1922 to see what we had. The Blue lines are heavy rail

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dublin_1922-23_Map_Suburbs_MatureTrams_wFaresTimes_Trains_EarlyBus_Canals_pubv2.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Just shows how small the city was


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,536 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Map of Dublin Trams from 1922 to see what we had. The Blue lines are heavy rail

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dublin_1922-23_Map_Suburbs_MatureTrams_wFaresTimes_Trains_EarlyBus_Canals_pubv2.jpg

    Single unit double deckers, that network would never have survived today to that scale if kept. Anywhere that has tried to retain that kind of network is left with effectively tourist lines that are unsuited for actual public transport (Lisbon for instance) and have to build modern Metro lines also.

    Amsterdam wound its extensive old network down to a single line that was retained due to unsuitable road layout for buses before rebuilding what worked for articulated trams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Just shows how small the city was
    But then of course there was very functional multi family accommodation in Monto and similar areas which housed thousands. No need for a three bed semi out in the sticks


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