Biden/Harris Presidency Discussion Thread

Sonics2k · 24-01-2021 2:37pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Biden hugging and embracing his grandchildren in the White House is a worrying insight into American attitudes to the virus.

And people wanted to blame Trump on everything.

Can you at least try harder? Like make an attempt.

Tell me how · 24-01-2021 2:41pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Biden hugging and embracing his grandchildren in the White House is a worrying insight into American attitudes to the virus.

This is close to trolling at this point.

If not, it's a completely deranged mindset.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:44pm

pixelburp wrote: »

They're probably in a support bubble, no more than we have them here. Am using one myself with the in laws. Given Biden has worn his mask at most public events let's presume they know what they're doing instead of reaching for some kind of hypocrisy angle.

I've not seen any leader in Europe being pictured hugging their grandchildren. World leaders will meet countless people, so my guess is that forming a bubble with extended family members isn't the wisest thing to do.

It's an insight into American attitudes to the virus I feel.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:46pm

Tell me how wrote: »

This is close to trolling at this point.

If not, it's a completely deranged mindset.

Grandparents in Ireland aren't hugging their grandchildren at the moment.

So from an Irish point of view, seeing this so publicly looks odd during a pandemic.

I think you mentioned you live in America, so perhaps you can't see from our point of view.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:47pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another day another bout of faux outrage from you :rolleyes:

This isn't outrage.

It's a comment.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-01-2021 2:48pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Grandparents in Ireland aren't hugging their grandchildren at the moment.

So from an Irish point of view, seeing this so publicly looks odd during a pandemic.

I think you mentioned you live in America, so perhaps you can't see from our point of view.

How do you know this? You know the support bubble of every grandparent in Ireland?

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:49pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How do you know this? You know the support bubble of every grandparent in Ireland?

Support bubbles are different.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:51pm

Any hint of negative comment on Biden and you get countless replies attacking you.

One has to question whether the Democrats are now a cult in Ireland?

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-01-2021 2:51pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Support bubbles are different.

So how do you know Bidens grandchildren are not part of his bubble?

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-01-2021 2:53pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Any hint of negative comment on Biden and you get countless replies attacking you.

One has to question whether the Democrats are now a cult in Ireland?

No one is "attacking" you so stop being a petty little snowflake, you make claims/comments and people pull you up on them. You claim to not be a Trump supporter yet supported him at every turn.

Every post you make is a silly little dig at Biden and when shown you are wrong you just skip to the next silly thing.

Pathetic.

duploelabs · 24-01-2021 2:54pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Any hint of negative comment on Biden and you get countless replies attacking you.

One has to question whether the Democrats are now a cult in Ireland?

Bring a legitimate complaint rather than this dijon mustard-level

salmocab · 24-01-2021 2:56pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No one is "attacking" you so stop being a petty little snowflake, you make claims/comments and people pull you up on them. You claim to not be a Trump supporter yet supported him at every turn.

Every post you make is a silly little dig at Biden and when shown you are wrong you just skip to the next silly thing.

Pathetic.

He wants to post unchallenged, free to say anything without anyone pulling him up on it.
Trump like you might say.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 2:56pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No one is "attacking" you so stop being a petty little snowflake, you make claims/comments and people pull you up on them. You claim to not be a Trump supporter yet supported him at every turn.

Every post you make is a silly little dig at Biden and when shown you are wrong you just skip to the next silly thing.

Pathetic.

I'm not wrong. American attitudes to the virus is clearly catastrophic.

Hugging grandchildren so publicly as well as the large and unnecessary gathering for the inauguration itself, with hundreds flying in from everywhere, indicates to me, that Americans don't really give a toss about the virus.

Wear masks is the solution. And that's it.

pixelburp · 24-01-2021 2:56pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I've not seen any leader in Europe being pictured hugging their grandchildren. World leaders will meet countless people, so my guess is that forming a bubble with extended family members isn't the wisest thing to do.

It's an insight into American attitudes to the virus I feel.

Again, support bubbles are allowed in our own current lockdown rules so yes, grandparents can feasibly share physical space with their grandchildren. Can't speak to US rules of the same applies there. And as said, my own in laws are our sole Support bubble, happily hugging their own 3mo grandson.

You choose to focus on one single event without factoring in context, history or background to make a point, so it says as much about your own bias as anything TBH. Maybe the messaging is muddled at best, but that's again only if you choose to ignore the (likely) context of action. And I'm certainly not au fait with European poltiics to say with certainty how other leaders are behaving TBH

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 3:05pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'm not wrong. American attitudes to the virus is clearly catastrophic.

Hugging grandchildren so publicly as well as the large and unnecessary gathering for the inauguration itself, with hundreds flying in from everywhere, indicates to me, that Americans don't really give a toss about the virus.

Wear masks is the solution. And that's it.

400,000 people died there and they held a memorial. Has Ireland held a memorial for the victims? so who cares more?

US, Canada as such are figuring out how to manage a restricted opening for its residents. Yes US has made it a cluster mess as you know who was at the helm but they have a plan - its a restricted opening. Meanwhile in Ireland its Open, Close, Close, Open, Close, Open, Close - I mean what a mess. There's only 6 million people here compared to hundreds of millions in other countries and they cant figure it out here. Come on.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 3:08pm

BredonWimsey wrote: »

400,000 people died there and they held a memorial. Has Ireland held a memorial for the victims? so who cares more?

US, Canada as such are figuring out how to manage a restricted opening for its residents. Yes US has made it a cluster mess as you know who was at the helm but they have a plan - its a restricted opening. Meanwhile in Ireland its Open, Close, Close, Open, Close, Open, Close - I mean what a mess. There's only 6 million people here compared to hundreds of millions in other countries and they cant figure it out here. Come on.

A memorial when the pandemic isn't even over was a publicity stunt.

Americans great for memorials and praying but aren't so great when it comes to looking after their vulnerable citizens.

Edit.. and the reason Ireland hasn't held a memorial is because large gatherings aren't advisable at the moment.

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 3:10pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

A memorial when the pandemic isn't even over was a publicity stunt.

Americans great for memorials and praying but aren't so great when it comes to looking after their vulnerable citizens.

yeah you have a valid point that it was just for show. but a less cynical opinion might be that it was the Biden administration's way of remembering the victims. Its up to yourself how you want to look at it.

pixelburp · 24-01-2021 3:15pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

A memorial when the pandemic isn't even over was a publicity stunt.

Americans great for memorials and praying but aren't so great when it comes to looking after their vulnerable citizens.

Edit.. and the reason Ireland hasn't held a memorial is because large gatherings aren't advisable at the moment.

It can be two things you know. Yes it was a publicity stunt - that much is obvious - but it was also a very public declaration that against the previous admin, which never actually acknowledged the suffering of its citizens, the Biden would actually take the pandemic seriously and understood the terrible milestone passed. And against the later news that Trump had NO ACTUAL plan for distributing the vaccines, or even the stockpiles they claimed to have, there needed to be a clear message sent that the new boss gave a shít. Yes it's glib and cheesy but also important at the same time, even if nominally superficial.

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 3:16pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It can be two things you know. Yes it was a publicity stunt - that much is obvious - but it was also a very public declaration that against the previous admin, which never actually acknowledged the suffering of its citizens, the Biden would actually take the pandemic seriously and understood the terrible milestone passed. And against the later news that Trump had NO ACTUAL plan for distributing the vaccines, or even the stockpiles they claimed to have, there needed to be a clear message sent that the new boss gave a shít. Yes it's glib and cheesy but also important at the same time, even if nominally superficial.

good points

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 3:17pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

A memorial when the pandemic isn't even over was a publicity stunt.

Americans great for memorials and praying but aren't so great when it comes to looking after their vulnerable citizens.

Edit.. and the reason Ireland hasn't held a memorial is because large gatherings aren't advisable at the moment.

they could have a virtual one. I think its because they never even though of it to be honest.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-01-2021 3:27pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'm not wrong. American attitudes to the virus is clearly catastrophic.

On this we agree

Hugging grandchildren

Are they part of his bubble? Its a simple question.

so publicly as well as the large and unnecessary gathering for the inauguration itself, with hundreds flying in from everywhere, indicates to me, that Americans don't really give a toss about the virus.

I don't recall this kind of outrage from you when trump held his rallies! Did you actually watch the inauguration? Socially distanced seating and a very small crowd.

Wear masks is the solution. And that's it.

Again, no argument from me, tou seem to have missed the inauguration and seeing that the vast majority wore masks.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 3:29pm

BredonWimsey wrote: »

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they could have a virtual one. I think its because they never even though of it to be honest.

It's been referred to a few times by Leo and then Martin.

There will be time for a memorial once the pandemic is over. No resources of the state should be going towards a memorial service or anything similar.

Americans obviously take a different view.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 3:31pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It can be two things you know. Yes it was a publicity stunt - that much is obvious - but it was also a very public declaration that against the previous admin, which never actually acknowledged the suffering of its citizens, the Biden would actually take the pandemic seriously and understood the terrible milestone passed. And against the later news that Trump had NO ACTUAL plan for distributing the vaccines, or even the stockpiles they claimed to have, there needed to be a clear message sent that the new boss gave a shít. Yes it's glib and cheesy but also important at the same time, even if nominally superficial.

Having the inauguration and holding grandchildren undermines that message that he's taking the pandemic seriously.

hotmail.com · 24-01-2021 3:36pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

On this we agree

Are they part of his bubble? Its a simple question.

I don't recall this kind of outrage from you when trump held his rallies! Did you actually watch the inauguration? Socially distanced seating and a very small crowd.

Again, no argument from me, tou seem to have missed the inauguration and seeing that the vast majority wore masks.

Regarding outrage over Trump, his rallies were mad and irresponsible.

We are now onto Biden and his failures.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-01-2021 3:43pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Regarding outrage over Trump, his rallies were mad and irresponsible.

We are now onto Biden and his failures.

What failures?

Are Bidens grandchildren part of his bubble?

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 3:46pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What failures?

Are Bidens grandchildren part of his bubble?

he hasnt even had any time to have any failures LOL

pixelburp · 24-01-2021 4:24pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Having the inauguration and holding grandchildren undermines that message that he's taking the pandemic seriously.

And to repeat the point again, do we know the grandkids are not part of a social bubble? It's literally an approved pandemic practise. It only undermines the messages if it's flouting their own ruleset. So. Is it?

Water John · 24-01-2021 5:08pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Regarding outrage over Trump, his rallies were mad and irresponsible.

We are now onto Biden and his failures.

Feel free to start such a thread, but that's not what the heading of this one says.

Brian? · 24-01-2021 9:49pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Having the inauguration and holding grandchildren undermines that message that he's taking the pandemic seriously.

No it doesn’t.

Overheal · 24-01-2021 10:12pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Having the inauguration and holding grandchildren undermines that message that he's taking the pandemic seriously.

Why, because he hasn't been vaccinated yet? Oh, wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqd9I_HkvTg

y0ssar1an22 · 24-01-2021 11:38pm

pixelburp wrote: »

And to repeat the point again, do we know the grandkids are not part of a social bubble? It's literally an approved pandemic practise. It only undermines the messages if it's flouting their own ruleset. So. Is it?

social bubble is irrelevant:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-the-federal-workforce-and-requiring-mask-wearing/

"and other individuals in Federal buildings and on Federal lands should all wear masks, maintain physical distance"

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duploelabs · 24-01-2021 11:44pm

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

social bubble is irrelevant:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-the-federal-workforce-and-requiring-mask-wearing/

"and other individuals in Federal buildings and on Federal lands should all wear masks, maintain physical distance"

How many of them have been vaccinated?

y0ssar1an22 · 24-01-2021 11:47pm

duploelabs wrote: »

How many of them have been vaccinated?

i presume all, but i don't see an exemption if you have been vaccinated.

happy to eat humble pie if such an exemption exists.

Melanchthon · 25-01-2021 2:49am

duploelabs wrote: »

How many of them have been vaccinated?

Would the younger people really be vaccinated already in the US? Surely people must be up in arms if basically kids are getting vaccinated because they are related to politicians? Spanish General had to resign this week as he skipped ahead in the queue

Manic Moran · 25-01-2021 5:06am

Melanchthon wrote: »

Would the younger people really be vaccinated already in the US? Surely people must be up in arms if basically kids are getting vaccinated because they are related to politicians? Spanish General had to resign this week as he skipped ahead in the queue

There has been some conflict in Congress on the matter. Gabbard called other young Congressfolk to task for getting shots 'ahead of turn.' The two counter-arguments were that they were providing an example to others, and that there is merit to protection of civilian leadership of government.

But, no, by and large, the only young folk getting vaccinated are doing so because they're in positions which require it for work, mainly medics. We haven't yet gotten to all the firefighters (who are also often medics), police and military, although certainly a number of all three of these categories have started to receive shots. (I know some in all three who have, and some who have not). There are also certain medical conditions which will allow young people to get shots right now.

This Biden thing is a fairly stupid debate, though (Even if the jury is still out on whether a vaccinated person can still transmit the virus without succumbing to it). I was having a chat with my dad in Dublin today, discussing the restrictions in Ireland vs here. There has never been a 'physical distance' restriction here in the US like the 5km limit in Ireland right now. We figure that what's important is the number of people with whom you have contact, not how far you travel to get to them. Generally speaking, we have started to create 'bubbles' of trusted family and friends, you don't go outside of that bubble. If one presumes the Bidens are reasonably careful people, the risk of exposure in that small family gathering is pretty small.

This is absolutely a different kettle of fish to the more eye-catching scandals like the mayor of Austin telling folks to not travel for Thanksgiving (when he was on vacation in Mexico) or the Mayor of San Francisco and Governor of California both caught having 'large group' dinners at the same restaurant on successive days.

BredonWimsey · 25-01-2021 1:04pm

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

social bubble is irrelevant:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-the-federal-workforce-and-requiring-mask-wearing/

"and other individuals in Federal buildings and on Federal lands should all wear masks, maintain physical distance"

when was that photo taken dude

duploelabs · 25-01-2021 1:07pm

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i presume all, but i don't see an exemption if you have been vaccinated.

happy to eat humble pie if such an exemption exists.

Right so you're taking a photo at face value without any pertinent information available and thus jumping to conclusions

BredonWimsey · 25-01-2021 1:07pm

duploelabs wrote: »

How many of them have been vaccinated?

we dont even know when the photo was taken.

ps its apparent to every intelligent person without an agenda that Biden is taking it seriously - listen to his speeches, look at his policies, he is wearing his mask.

BredonWimsey · 25-01-2021 1:08pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Right so you're taking a photo at face value without any pertinent information available and thus jumping to conclusions

yup because it sits the posters agenda. #annoying - no point in engaging

FreudianSlippers · 25-01-2021 1:12pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'm not wrong. American attitudes to the virus is clearly catastrophic.

Hugging grandchildren so publicly as well as the large and unnecessary gathering for the inauguration itself, with hundreds flying in from everywhere, indicates to me, that Americans don't really give a toss about the virus.

Wear masks is the solution. And that's it.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that you didn't actually watch the inauguration then?

Itssoeasy · 25-01-2021 2:00pm

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i presume all, but i don't see an exemption if you have been vaccinated.

happy to eat humble pie if such an exemption exists.

The president was vaccinated which seems a good thing to do given the position he holds. Everyone at the inauguration were tested prior to being allowed to attend according to ABC news and given his family were there in attendance, it’s a good chance they were negative. Also, there’s more than one picture of the family being together around the election and beyond so it’s clear they’re some kid of bubble.

I can’t believe one poster in particular(not you because you seem to be willing to admit if your wrong) is making an issue out of this perceived flaunting of the rules yet seems okay with joe Bidens immediate predecessor openly flaunting the rules intended to protect him and others.

The Biden administration is going to get criticism and hopefully will be pulled up on things that warrant it but this inauguration rubbish is not it.

BredonWimsey · 25-01-2021 2:07pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The president was vaccinated which seems a good thing to do given the position he holds. Everyone at the inauguration were tested prior to being allowed to attend according to ABC news and given his family were there in attendance, it’s a good chance they were negative. Also, there’s more than one picture of the family being together around the election and beyond so it’s clear they’re some kid of bubble.

I can’t believe one poster in particular(not you because you seem to be willing to admit if your wrong) is making an issue out of this perceived flaunting of the rules yet seems okay with joe Bidens immediate predecessor openly flaunting the rules intended to protect him and others.

The Biden administration is going to get criticism and hopefully will be pulled up on things that warrant it but this inauguration rubbish is not it.

100%

hotmail.com · 25-01-2021 2:07pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that you didn't actually watch the inauguration then?

Parts of it yes. Hard to miss and I seen hundreds, if not thousands of people meeting up for an unnecessary event.

Such a thing in Ireland would lead to controversy but not so in America.

hotmail.com · 25-01-2021 2:12pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The president was vaccinated which seems a good thing to do given the position he holds. Everyone at the inauguration were tested prior to being allowed to attend according to ABC news and given his family were there in attendance, it’s a good chance they were negative. Also, there’s more than one picture of the family being together around the election and beyond so it’s clear they’re some kid of bubble.

I can’t believe one poster in particular(not you because you seem to be willing to admit if your wrong) is making an issue out of this perceived flaunting of the rules yet seems okay with joe Bidens immediate predecessor openly flaunting the rules intended to protect him and others.

The Biden administration is going to get criticism and hopefully will be pulled up on things that warrant it but this inauguration rubbish is not it.

Trump's behaviour during the pandemic was disgraceful. I've already said that.

We are now onto Biden. Trump is over.

If you feel the large gathering was grand and it's fine for people to hug their grandchildren, that's your view. I've taken the pandemic more seriously than that.

I've seen the behaviour of politicians in Capitol Hill as well, huddled around chatting. There's clearly an issue there with covid attitudes.

FreudianSlippers · 25-01-2021 2:13pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Parts of it yes. Hard to miss and I seen hundreds, if not thousands of people meeting up for an unnecessary event.

Such a thing in Ireland would lead to controversy but not so in America.

I think you're confusing flags with people.

BredonWimsey · 25-01-2021 2:18pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think you're confusing flags with people.

and whats the obsession with applying US politics to Ireland. Diff't countries. Apples and Oranges. Its fine to compare/contrast and analyse US politics as to Ireland but people seem to be actually applying it to Ireland - doesnt make sense.

hotmail.com · 25-01-2021 2:20pm

BredonWimsey wrote: »

and whats the obsession with applying US politics to Ireland. Diff't countries. Apples and Oranges. Its fine to compare/contrast and analyse US politics as to Ireland but people seem to be actually applying it to Ireland - doesnt make sense.

Surely Irish people would apply Irish/European norms to analysis of US politics?

hotmail.com · 25-01-2021 2:21pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think you're confusing flags with people.

Past presidents and their wives, singers etc all flown in for an event which could have been done with just a handful of people.

Brian? · 25-01-2021 2:24pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Past presidents and their wives, singers etc all flown in for an event which could have been done with just a handful of people.

How many people, in your estimation were at the inauguration?

FreudianSlippers · 25-01-2021 2:26pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Past presidents and their wives, singers etc all flown in for an event which could have been done with just a handful of people.

You think that's "hundreds, if not thousands of people"?

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