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Now ye're talking - to a US police officer

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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said that


    There's a lot of things i wish you never said, now will you cop on and get out of the thread.


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    Is there corruption in the/your police force? Have you ever seen or witnessed it?

    Don’t know, it’s not like someone is going to say over coffee “while I was collecting my bribes last week…” We have had officers who made poor choices, soliciting sexual favours on a traffic stop, forming a relationship with a previous victim (which became a domestic violence issue), drunk driving & domestic violence on their partner. They were all found out quickly, sanctions ranged from fired (all of them) to jail time. It’s pretty hard to keep secrets these days and if you’ve been fired it’s very difficult to work for another agency, or at least a decent one. I’ve never seen anything beyond routine officer discretion and if I did, I’d report it. I’m not losing my career over some dope

    Why is the police force suffering with so much corruption?


    It’s not, most of us do a decent job, go home and come back the next day, and so on. There are over 850,000 sworn officers of one kind or another in the US. So odds are there are some bad apples, I don’t condone it, but I’m a realist. These assholes make life difficult for the rest of us.

    Do you screw people over or are you one that actually listens and gives people respect obviously this must be both ways of course?

    I do my job. If enforcing the law is screwing people over, then I suppose so. I look at the totality of the circumstances. I’m professional, don’t really like shouting at people or being rude (I hate rude cops). Will I write you for broken brake lights? Depends, if your DL check comes back with multiple traffic offenses, and you choose to be rude and aggressive, then probably. Not to “screw you” but to help the violator understand they need to obey the law & follow the rules. You have a clean record, are reasonably pleasant, maybe you won’t get a ticket. All depends.

    Have you been in many shooting incidents?

    Been shot at once, never fired back. I’m ok with that, no real desire to take another life. I’ve seen firsthand how that works out for the officer, it’s horrible.

    How to you find winding down or copping with stress is best achieved.


    I have an amazing, very communicative spouse, I work out and spend time with friends. Everyone has their own way of coping, some fish, hunt, fix old cars, do carpentry, whatever floats your boat.

    What's the best cruiser you've ever driven?


    I liked the Chevrolet Tahoe.

    What's the most rewarding pert of the job....


    Answered on a previous post.

    Do you love giving tickets?

    No strong feelings either way, it’s part of the job. Does a barman like pulling pints? Does a plumber like fixing pipes?

    Why do the FBI have those oversized badges? Is it a case of small man syndrome?

    No idea, their badges aren’t much bigger ours. Agency choice I suppose


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    khaldrogo wrote: »
    27 years is very short for a full career in something. Retired by 50.....what do you do with the rest of your life??

    27 years on front line law enforcement is enough for me thanks. As I said, I plan on travelling, finish my PhD and do some teaching part time. I'm fortunate to have started relatively young and this far have avoided any life altering injuries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    No surprise here to see that the usual Irish attitude of begrudgery towards someone successful is alive and well here on Boards.
    "Oh look at this fella who moved abroad and made a successful career for himself - He must have notions, I had better get a few sly smart arsed digs in to bring him down a notch or two". ye must have little doing in your own life to have to resort to the likes of that to make yourselves feel better by knocking someone else.

    Anyway, I have a question that is neither complex nor argumentative.....
    1. Have you ever shot people?
    2. If yes then how many of those were African americans or another minority?


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    Do you know of other officers that are corrupted?

    Example they lie and say they seen something but weren't even there.


    I suffered from this and it was a Irish cop in Dublin.(Gaurd)


    He made up a false statement and even changed a witness name on a sworn statement.

    He had me in court 4 times over something I didn't even do and had actual witnesses stating so.

    Haven't seen it personally, not saying it doesn't happen. Can't speak to your situation, don't know the facts. If a Garda is willing to face scrutiny in court with fabricated evidence 7 statements, then he/she is either stupid/brave or the defense lawyers are asleep at the wheel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    I assume you do regular target shooting practice with the guns right? Shooting at those silhouettes with the different scores for different areas of the body and all that.

    I notice that the target figure on those is invariably black. And I also recall that they are rarely if ever depicted as being armed! Is it intentional or by chance that shooting practice is done using unarmed black figures?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    What's your favourite flavour of donut? Have you ever arrived at a truly bizarre scene of the "man with his something stuck somewhere" or "crazy naked lady on meth doing something" variety that you couldn't help laughing your ass off at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭Homer


    I assume you do regular target shooting practice with the guns right? Shooting at those silhouettes with the different scores for different areas of the body and all that.

    I notice that the target figure on those is invariably black. And I also recall that they are rarely if ever depicted as being armed! Is it intentional or by chance that shooting practice is done using unarmed black figures?

    Well if they were white figures ya wouldn’t see them on a white background genius!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,026 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What's some of your favorite types of beat/duty/enforcement activity? Eg. a really fun hiding spot/tactic to catch speeders, doing downtown foot patrol, cruising neighborhoods, rounds, jailkeeping, unmarked car patrol, narcotics, etc.

    Aside from DUI, what's some of the traffic offenses people do that just really grind your gears.


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    Has the current political situation with trump and co in power lead to less thrust within the communities your patrolling especially with the sizeable Mexican population in Austin?

    I’m not commenting on my specific location. Yes, the current administration has made the immigrant and to some extent certain minority communities less trustful of us. We generally had good relations; all things considered. Now victims won’t come forward to report, of if they do, they won’t give us enough to go after the perp, they are scared.


    Is Texas hard to police with a lot of rural areas and proximity to the border as well as larger city areas.

    I work in an urban to semi urban area, can’t speak for the border. In the remote areas, officers are further from back up & other help, that’s certainly a challenge.

    Have you ever caught a really big fish for something silly like driving without a seatbelt or no tax and insurance?


    I’ve nabbed a few felons over the years on traffic stops, it does have a degree of satisfaction I will admit. Best way to avoid the police if you are wanted: slow down, wear your seat belt, don’t drive drunk. The really smart ones all live in condo’s in the Caribbean and stay away from us.

    What’s your views on the relationship between easy gun ownership and mass shootings?


    That’s a complex question, and it has been studied at length on both sides. There is a relationship, but as to whether it’s cause & effect, that’s the rub. It’s on oversimplification to say “Ireland has strict gun laws, and no mass shooting, therefore strict guns laws are the answer”. Guns are a reality here, no getting away from that, but I am a strong supporter of tighter gun laws. It won’t solve everything but it’s better than the current process.

    And how do you view the NRA solution that we need more citizens to be armed to prevent mass shootings?

    The “good guy with a gun” is bollocks peddled by the NRA. Both the FBI and the US DOJ have studied this and debunk the theory. A gun owner is more likely do have their own gun used against them, shoot an innocent or have it fall into a child’s hands than ever shoot a bad guy. Will tighter laws prevent a shooting? hard to say, some will always have them (look at the gangs in Ireland), but if it prevented one mass shooting, I submit then it's a "win".


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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I notice that the target figure on those is invariably black. And I also recall that they are rarely if ever depicted as being armed! Is it intentional or by chance that shooting practice is done using unarmed black figures?




    I think you're an idiot trying to derail the thread... but I have to confess I did laugh at that. :p


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    The number of people incarcerated in the US increased by approximately 500% from 1980 to 2016. 1980: 319,598, 2016: 1,505,400
    Link - (https://sentencingproject.org/wp-con...orrections.pdf)

    Why do you think that is?
    Better detection rates?
    Increase in crimes committed?
    The development of Prisons as a for profit enterprise?

    Do you think the country is safer now than it was in 1980?
    Do you think that the criminal justice system in the US is making society safer through reducing the likelihood of crimes being committed in to the future?



    Good questions, great reference too!!

    Is the country safer, well I suppose so, but it's not just the laws. Cars are safer, health care is better, kids wear bike helmets, etc. Not being facetious, but its not just the laws. In 1980 there were no cell phones & lots of drunk drivers, so we tightened the DD laws & raised the drinking age. That helped I'm sure but it's hard to draw a cause & effect directly. However, now we are texting & driving, so more of those accidents......

    There is some great research on this subject. My take: the US went hard in the 1980's with the "War on Drugs" and "Three strikes and you are out" thing, so we ended up locking up more people per capita than any other western country. As I mentioned earlier, we are quick to criminalize things which (IMHO) are not really crimes and would be better served spending the money of a social safety net and education, it's cheaper in the long run. I've been reading about the Swedish criminal justice system, it focuses on rehab and reform, not the Victorian model of punishment. Swedish recidivism rate is something like 48% compared to something like 80% in the US.

    Detection has gotten better, we use more science (DNA, forensics, IT) and the profession is better trained & educated too. That probably contributes too.

    For profit prisons: Worst idea ever. Lets put a bunch of criminals, a high number of whom have mental health issues, lack basic education, substance abuse, etc and lock them up for 15 hours a day with no recreation, education, etc and supervise them with minimum wage guards FFS!!! It boggles the mind.
    Do you think that the criminal justice system in the US is making society safer through reducing the likelihood of crimes being committed in to the future?

    Sorry, I can't predict the future, no idea.


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    Folks,

    I'm diligently working on answering all your questions, bear in mind there is one of me and lots of questions. Some of the questions are really good which require substantive answers, so bear with me, I'll do more tomorrow as time allows. I'm attempting to give all your questions their day in court!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭SomeSayKos


    Whats the funniest thing that's ever happened to you at work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    HI,

    Thanks for such an informative AMA, best I've read in a while. So much so that I'm asking my first AMA questions haha

    Have you ever arrested someone who has gone on to receive the death penalty or life without parole (or any other long sentence) and how did it make you feel when you heard the ruling?

    Being based in TX means you see your fair share of severe weather i.e super-cells. As such, what type of relationship do you have with storm chasers? When you see a convoy going full tilt towards a storm producing a deadly tornado, do you flag them down and give them a ticket or acknowledge that the work they so provides valuable insight into better understanding these storms and plays a large role in saving multiple lives annually... or is it a case of "man there's an F3 or 4 barreling down on me, I'm not dealing with this sh*t now"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,398 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    You mentioned an obscure law about selling cars at the weekend. Have you ever heard of anyone enforcing this or any other bizarre law and what was the result?

    You’ve been doing this job for about a quarter of a century now so I’m presuming you have a good bit of foresight about how things may go. What is the one particular day or event where you know you’re going to be busy eg Fourth of July, big game or particular weather pattern?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭geotrig


    Great Ama
    What has been the thoughest day/ shift you have put down and how did it affect you in the aftermath ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Krombopulos Michael


    What is the most ridiculous excuse you have heard a defense attorney give in court?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Great AMA, thanks for doing this.

    How did you end up in Texas from Ireland?

    The different law agencies in each district, can you give us a brief synopsis of what one does and how they are supposed to differ from each other please.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    Do you watch The First 48? Love that show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭dingding


    Well done on doing your PhD. What area are you studying, is it related to your job. If the question is to much of an intrusion, please ignore.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,145 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    Have you ever seen Bosch? LAPD programme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Great AMA and thank you for doing it.

    Have you ever had to deal with an Irish person in a professional capacity? And if so did they mortify the life out of you?


  • Boards.ie Employee Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Community Manager


    Note:
    Glad to see that this thread eventually got back on track after some hiccups last night. If you want to chat among yourselves take it to PM. Our guest is here to answer questions about his own experiences and views, not to answer for all US police officers so please bear that in mind when asking a question.

    So far it's been a great AMA, let's not spoil it. Thanks everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Obviously after 20+ years in the USA you are a naturalized citizen.

    Have you any inclination to return to Ireland?

    I have been living in the USA for the past 15+ years. Where I live are mostly retired cops, ok it makes for a very safe area, but it also means that if you live in close quarters to them (which I do not) some can be extremely critical of neighbours and make their lives hell. It creates that “them V’s us” environment.

    I have many friends both serving cops and retired cops who work in various industries e.g. security and consulting. Trust when making friends, is something that they have found to be very difficult once retired. Is this something that you personally have found to be the case? Are most of your friends cops?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭SirChenjin


    Great AMA, OP. I have no questions that have not already been asked but am really enjoying reading it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,934 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There is some great research on this subject. My take: the US went hard in the 1980's with the "War on Drugs" and "Three strikes and you are out" thing, so we ended up locking up more people per capita than any other western country. As I mentioned earlier, we are quick to criminalize things which (IMHO) are not really crimes and would be better served spending the money of a social safety net and education, it's cheaper in the long run. I've been reading about the Swedish criminal justice system, it focuses on rehab and reform, not the Victorian model of punishment. Swedish recidivism rate is something like 48% compared to something like 80% in the US.

    .........

    Do you think that the criminal justice system in the US is making society safer through reducing the likelihood of crimes being committed in to the future?

    Sorry, I can't predict the future, no idea.


    I understand you're not alone in being unable to predict the future accurately, but, what I'm wondering about this question is, do you think if the judicial practices and strategies of recent/current years continue, it will lead to a society which could be considered safer (while being more just to all) than how people might view the current society?

    Or will the gap between those think the justice system does not work and those who think it is improving will widen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,934 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And in Ireland.
    I live in a gated community and a retired cop's hobby was reporting people to the management company.
    We have about twenty rules that I assume he instigated, including "no loud talking", and "no television after 11 pm."

    The joy is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What's your sport of choice now that you've been in States so long?


  • Boards.ie Employee Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Community Manager


    And in Ireland.
    I live in a gated community and a retired cop's hobby was reporting people to the management company.
    We have about twenty rules that I assume he instigated, including "no loud talking", and "no television after 11 pm."
    The joy is it?


    Mod Note:Guys as per my earlier post, if you want to chat to each other, take it to PM. I won't be posting any more warnings, it'll be cards next.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    T=.
    Do you think that the criminal justice system in the US is making society safer through reducing the likelihood of crimes being committed in to the future?

    Sorry, I can't predict the future, no idea.

    Leaving the future aside, can you predict the past? What's the crime rate trend in the US these days, failing year on year or rising?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Yester


    Excellent AMA thanks for your answers so far.

    When you were in training did ye have politeness classes? It's probably just a stereotype but a lot cops on TV sound the same when dealing with the public, sir/madam etc.


    How fast can you run? Is there a requirement to maintain a basic level of fitness?

    Have you ever left someone go (for a minor crime) just because they made you laugh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I hear you on the mental health end of it as it seems obvious that Yee are fighting a losing battle on that.

    All these mass shootings and from people that are known to have issues and then the more worrying part of those that seem to have lead a normal enough life.

    I honestly think the gun culture is beyond crazy and seeing these videos on YouTube of open carrying and these loons going around trying to scare people and then look to be engaged by officers like yourself.

    I'm sure you were very scared when shot at and I do hope it never happens again.

    Some I'm sure can be lucky in smaller precincts etc that they wouldn't see much action.



    Have you ever found a big drug runner or arms runner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Do local forces tend to turn a blind eye (as best they can) to well ran instances of street racing?

    The kinda thing you'd see on 1320videos youtube channel. 1/8 mile hits from a standstill in very quiet locations during the night, that sorta thing.

    Or is there a blanket zero tolerance policy like there is here in Ireland.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry if this has been asked before, but how do you find the process of getting convictions in the court system in the US in comparison to the widely perceived leniency of judges in Ireland?? Is it frustrating or is the US or Texan system more just?

    Are there cases of for example 200 previous convictions amongst felons appearing before a judge in the US?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Has the fact that you are an Irish person made things better/worse/different in terms of carrying out the job you do? Is it something you can use to your benefit, or something you need to avoid using, in any particular situation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    I've had an encounter with law enforcement officers in South Lake Tahoe PD a few years ago. It was fairly mundane, I'd sat on the cordless phone and one of the buttons must have been 911 on speed dial.

    When the officers turned up, I had to come out at gunpoint at first to show I wasn't a threat. Once that was established, one was sound and was asking me about the Irish music I was listening to and where I was from/travelling to etc while the other was like a pitbull barking questions at me. Would this have been a tactic taught in training used to throw someone off, like good cop bad cop?? Or just a tired and grumpy cop?? It was all sorted in about 5 minutes. Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Do the locals ask about you being Irish?

    What made you move to Texas in the first place?


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Realtai


    What's the best thing about living in Texas?

    Whats the worst thing about living in Texas?

    Thanks in advance! :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭greenttc


    over your career do you feel like you have developed or diminished any prejudices? not looking for any specifics or anything but i just would have presumed it would have been the case as no matter how much we all want to be moral citizens we all have our prejudices be they justified or not!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    why are american police so aggressive and eager to shoot?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭von Smallhausen


    Thanks for taking the time to do this AMA.

    Considering your life choice, if you had the opportunity to restart and do it all over again, would you go down the same route or choose a different career?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE



    Have you been in many shooting incidents?

    Been shot at once, never fired back. I’m ok with that, no real desire to take another life. I’ve seen firsthand how that works out for the officer, it’s horrible.


    Wow that's a very interesting career statistic. Given the amount of weapons in circulation I would have assumed a much higher rate of shooting incidents for your career.

    Do you feel that this is because of your role (ie all incidents where guns are likely to be involved are handled by swat units?), your location or is my expectation for gun crime just too high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    This is an unfair & argumentative post. I'm happy to discuss issues in US law enforcement and have a coherent debate, but please back up your claims about corruption, deadly force etc. Your comment of "there is no doubt that many US cops enjoy killing others and indeed join just for that privilege" has no basis in fact. Your comment shows little to no understanding of the impact of taking a human life.

    Most respectable agencies require psychological testing, screening for behavioral issues, and an in depth interview with psychologists and ongoing monitoring of officer mental health & behavior. No system is perfect and agencies continue to balance screening with labour laws, personal rights to medical privacy and the needs of the agency.

    But do you agree that many psychopaths enjoy being a cop because of the chance to inflict violence on a daily basis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    40% of spouses of American police suffer domestic abuse. I presume you're part of the other 60%, how many cases of spousal abuse from your fellow officers have you heard? How would you respond if you heard one of your friends was abusing his wife at home?


    Many, such as myself, believe that the American police are nothing more than the paramilitary wing for a crypto-fascist totalitarian government. There are many, many examples of American policemen and the American justice system being used to protect private interests over the needs of the public, or using fascistic tactics to suppress dissent. So, hypothetically, how would you sleep at night after hearing someone you arrested for stealing a sandwich was sent away for life?


    As a person who lives in Ireland, and as a result, see my Police Service rock around the beat in a pair of slacks, shirt and tie, looking like their first day of school, I adore the idea of 'proper' police outfits. Personally, I find that a police officer with his holster, tactical vest full of all the nonsense equipment he'll probably never use etc. gives a more dominant image, which though I appreciate your 'us VS them' comment, I feel also demands more respect


    And their boots look so tasty as well!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Do you get on with the military police?

    Asking for a friend ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Op, most US police dramas I have watched on television have incorporated some sort of corruption. Back handers from drug gangs, pimps etc.

    I respect that the cop dramas have advertising and ratings to sell, but how prevalent is police corruption? To what extent does it go on?

    Honestly please, if you have to say " it happened to a colleague" I am fine with your response, no judgments here, I am just looking for a genuine response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    How do you feel about the militarisation of police forces in the US?

    During training are you taught to try and de escalate a situation. Or are you trained to go straight to pulling a weapon?


    How do you feel about the mixed response to some of your answers here? And about others calling you out for only answering "easy" pro police questions, while ignoring the more critical ones?

    Is police life what you expected?

    Have you ever had a bad experience with a police officer while off duty? How did it play out, did you just flash your badge and everything was resolved?

    Why do you think so many people are critical of US police officers?


  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    Do you work with a partner? If so, do you have multiple? Have you ever worked with someone (i.e spent the day on patrol with him/her) who you didn't like? What happens in those instances?

    It's a mix, sometime with a partner, sometimes alone. Depends on manning, the schedule, leave, training etc. There are some people who are hard to get along with, especially rude opinionated ones. But like in any job, you just be professional and get on with it. We're colleagues, not best mates.


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  • Company Representative Posts: 189 Verified rep I'm a US police officer, AMA


    As a foreigner, did you have to jump through any extra hoops to join the police force? Related, are you now a US citizen?

    Roughly, what percentage of your colleagues are from ethnic minorities? And do your superiors deliberately mix pairs of cops so as to have a non-white member, or station certain cops in areas with a similar ethnic background to them?

    And thanks very much for doing this.

    Last time I saw the stats we were somewhere between 30-40% minority in my agency. It shifts with the ebb & flow of employees, we probably are fairly representative of our community, but could do better.
    No, we're assigned based on the needs of the shift, schedule, seniority, skills, etc. To our supervisors we're names/ranks/skills on a schedule, simple as that.


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