Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

27-02-2020 1:28pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

The figures for Iran are highly suspect. The mortality to infection rate is nuts compared to other areas.

Without access to medicine and symptom control the mortality rate will be higher, certainly very high at the moment tho.

irelandrover · 27-02-2020 1:41pm

The Italy England game has been removed from the fixture list on rugby pass.

jacothelad · 27-02-2020 1:43pm

Japan has now closed all schools.

stephen_n · 27-02-2020 2:38pm

jacothelad wrote: »

Japan has now closed all schools.

Korea did that last week, well certainly in some areas. My daughter is in Busan and has been at home quarantined for the last 4 days. Seemingly someone there was in the hospital, got diagnosed and panicked, so ran out of the hospital, mad stuff

schmoo2k · 27-02-2020 3:08pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Seems to be particularly fatal to people of Asian extract... South Korea, Japan and Singapore have very high mortality rates

Fact check:
South Korea: 13 (1766 Cases)
Japan: 4 (207 Cases)
Singapore: 0 (93 Cases)

sydthebeat · 27-02-2020 3:16pm

schmoo2k wrote: »

Fact check:
South Korea: 13 (1766 Cases)
Japan: 4 (207 Cases)
Singapore: 0 (93 Cases)

fact check:

sydthebeat wrote: »

i was reading the stats incorrectly

according to stats right now singapore doesnt have any deaths in 93 cases.

italy and iran actually have higher death rates.

RugbyLover123 · 27-02-2020 5:32pm

Is anyone sick of hearing ex pros talk about the fact there’s a ‘lack of dog’ in the team?

moritz1234 · 27-02-2020 5:40pm

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Is anyone sick of hearing ex pros talk about the fact there’s a ‘lack of dog’ in the team?

No

Paul Smeenus · 27-02-2020 7:55pm

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Is anyone sick of hearing ex pros talk about the fact there’s a ‘lack of dog’ in the team?

Yes.

Eod100 · 27-02-2020 8:10pm

Confirmed case in NI. Think it's for the best there match isnt going ahead

Clegg · 27-02-2020 8:22pm

The person who has the virus in NI travelled from Italy to Dublin.

Everything's getting locked down.

Tommybojangles · 27-02-2020 8:26pm

Came to the rugby forum hoping for rugby discussion and see that the coronavirus chat has spread from current affairs. Think I'll quarantine myself in You laugh you lose

lawrencesummers · 27-02-2020 9:27pm

Hard to see any More six nations Games going ahead for a while.

Cookiemunster · 27-02-2020 11:34pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Hard to see any More six nations Games going ahead for a while.

Why? There's a full round of football (including a Wembley cup final) and Premiership fixtures on in England this weekend. A full round of Ligue 1 and Top fixtures on in France. There's even a full round of fixtures on in Serie A in Italy with half the games unrestricted. Tonight there were 15 matches around Europe in the Europa league.

That's hundreds of thousands of fans traveling and congregating in large groups in the counties due to hold the 6 nations matches. Things might change in the next week, but right now there's no sign of any disruption to sport and I'd be surprised if any game other than the Italy England game gets postponed.

28-02-2020 8:03am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why? There's a full round of football (including a Wembley cup final) and Premiership fixtures on in England this weekend. A full round of Ligue 1 and Top fixtures on in France. There's even a full round of fixtures on in Serie A in Italy with half the games unrestricted. Tonight there were 15 matches around Europe in the Europa league.

That's hundreds of thousands of fans traveling and congregating in large groups in the counties due to hold the 6 nations matches. Things might change in the next week, but right now there's no sign of any disruption to sport and I'd be surprised if any game other than the Italy England game gets postponed.

I really wouldn't be following England's lead on anything at the moment, their government is a shambles.

lawrencesummers · 28-02-2020 8:43am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why? There's a full round of football (including a Wembley cup final) and Premiership fixtures on in England this weekend. A full round of Ligue 1 and Top fixtures on in France. There's even a full round of fixtures on in Serie A in Italy with half the games unrestricted. Tonight there were 15 matches around Europe in the Europa league.

That's hundreds of thousands of fans traveling and congregating in large groups in the counties due to hold the 6 nations matches. Things might change in the next week, but right now there's no sign of any disruption to sport and I'd be surprised if any game other than the Italy England game gets postponed.

Probably because of the level of international travel involved. Maybe it will go ahead, but it will seem pretty silly only cancelling Ireland game when the other countries are affected also.

Shefwedfan · 28-02-2020 8:44am

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Is anyone sick of hearing ex pros talk about the fact there’s a ‘lack of dog’ in the team?

I have the answer

Some Yoke · 28-02-2020 9:10am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have the answer

What about the one, the only, from briisstoool.. MAD DOG MADIGAN

Cookiemunster · 28-02-2020 9:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

I really wouldn't be following England's lead on anything at the moment, their government is a shambles.

Why did you ignore the fact that all sporting events in France are also unaffected? Or that the Serie A games in Italy are all going ahead, with only those in the North played behind closed doors? Or that there was a full round of Champions League and Europa League games mid week?

It's not just England who aren't cancelling sporting events. Unless the other countries get an Italy like outbreak, I don't see sporting events in those countries getting cancelled.

Cookiemunster · 28-02-2020 9:47am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Probably because of the level of international travel involved. Maybe it will go ahead, but it will seem pretty silly only cancelling Ireland game when the other countries are affected also.

International like the Champions League and Europa League games that just went ahead over the last few days? Each with 3-4000 traveling fans?

If those countries don't have a large outbreak, they're not gong to cancel anything. Millions of people are already traveling between these countries every day.

joseywhales · 28-02-2020 11:00am

I am tired about hearing of kicking percentage, it's a useless stat. An attacking kick is a world away from a kick in desperation or even a touch finder. A good attacking kick has an overwhelming probability of retaining possession or getting it back in the next phase. Kicking when you are on top is often a very good idea.

28-02-2020 11:13am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why did you ignore the fact that all sporting events in France are also unaffected? Or that the Serie A games in Italy are all going ahead, with only those in the North played behind closed doors? Or that there was a full round of Champions League and Europa League games mid week?

It's not just England who aren't cancelling sporting events. Unless the other countries get an Italy like outbreak, I don't see sporting events in those countries getting cancelled.

Seems like a mistake considering one person travelling to Northern Ireland from Italy just spread it to this island

28-02-2020 11:22am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why did you ignore the fact that all sporting events in France are also unaffected? Or that the Serie A games in Italy are all going ahead, with only those in the North played behind closed doors? Or that there was a full round of Champions League and Europa League games mid week?

It's not just England who aren't cancelling sporting events. Unless the other countries get an Italy like outbreak, I don't see sporting events in those countries getting cancelled.

I wasn't ignoring anything - just pointing out that the current UK government has zero interest or empathy for the general public bar when they need to con them out of votes.

As for France or anywhere else - it's really up to them. I accept the recommendation to postpone the game, I'm disappointed but any risk reduction is welcome and I suspect by the time we get to kick off time Saturday week the conversation may well have shifted pretty significantly from where we are now.

I'm of the opinion that this more likely to not be contained and the impact from here could be anything from mild destabilisation to fairly devastating consequences over the next 3 - 4 months. They're talking about closing all schools for two months in the UK now.

lawrencesummers · 28-02-2020 11:43am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

International like the Champions League and Europa League games that just went ahead over the last few days? Each with 3-4000 traveling fans?

If those countries don't have a large outbreak, they're not gong to cancel anything. Millions of people are already traveling between these countries every day.

Simple. The life of a Rugby supporter is far more valuable than that of a Soccer supporter. Rugby fans have jobs and vote soccer fans don't and don't.

mod - banned.

lawrencesummers · 28-02-2020 11:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

I really wouldn't be following England's lead on anything at the moment, their government is a shambles.

A shambles it may be, but its one government more than we currently have.

salmocab · 28-02-2020 11:51am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A shambles it may be, but its one government more than we currently have.

And yet ours still managed to make a decision.

tototoe · 28-02-2020 11:52am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Simple. The life of a Rugby supporter is far more valuable than that of a Soccer supporter. Rugby fans have jobs and vote soccer fans don't and don't.

jaysus..

Cookiemunster · 28-02-2020 11:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

I wasn't ignoring anything - just pointing out that the current UK government has zero interest or empathy for the general public bar when they need to con them out of votes.

As for France or anywhere else - it's really up to them. I accept the recommendation to postpone the game, I'm disappointed but any risk reduction is welcome and I suspect by the time we get to kick off time Saturday week the conversation may well have shifted pretty significantly from where we are now.

I'm of the opinion that this more likely to not be contained and the impact from here could be anything from mild destabilisation to fairly devastating consequences over the next 3 - 4 months. They're talking about closing all schools for two months in the UK now.

I'm not disagreeing with cancelling the match. I'm pointing out to others who say that further games will definitely be called off that, at this moment in time, it's not very likely. Obviously things could change, but I fully expect the games in London and Edinburgh to go ahead.

Former Former · 28-02-2020 11:56am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A shambles it may be, but its one government more than we currently have.

We have a government.

28-02-2020 12:32pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with cancelling the match. I'm pointing out to others who say that further games will definitely be called off that, at this moment in time, it's not very likely. Obviously things could change, but I fully expect the games in London and Edinburgh to go ahead.

I'm purely speculating at the moment but I'd put my money on none of the six nations games going ahead from here on. Everything points towards this thing spreading more.

salmocab · 28-02-2020 12:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm purely speculating at the moment but I'd put my money on none of the six nations games going ahead from here on. Everything points towards this thing spreading more.

Next weekend might go ahead but I certainly see a lot of things getting cancelled over the next few months. It won’t stop anything but might slow the spread a bit which can only be good.

28-02-2020 5:04pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A shambles it may be, but its one government more than we currently have.

No, it isn't. The previous govt stay in caretaker posts until a new govt is formed in Ireland.

FellasFellas · 29-02-2020 10:12am

Any thoughts on bolters for the summer tour? I think Baird is going to go after being included in the squad initially for 6N and his performance yday, he is too good and has too much potential not to go. Toner to lose out.

I really rate Sean French from the 20s last year and Munster if he could get a tilt at Munster squads for the rest of season after he comes back from injury, he could be a bolter.

Also think Harry Byrne and Craig Casey are in with big shouts to go.

If we dont promote these lads now, we are pissing in the wind with regard to progression of players. A number of the senior players should be left behind to focus on a rest and preseason with their provinces.

If France, Wales and England all can promote players following U20 seasons, why cant we?

ionadnapokot · 29-02-2020 10:51am

Squad is crying out for fresh blood and impetus at halfback, second row, loose head and wing.

For all the joking - Baird is the outstanding candidate to break through.
Casey too.
Carbery/Sexton replacement? Byrne snr starts I hope. Don’t know anything about French. Unlikely he’d travel?
Baloucoune should get a start at Stockdales expense (for both their sakes)
LH - don’t know of outstanding candidate. O’Sullivan? Would give Buckley a run. Move Porter back?
Couple of good young TH prospects but too early for them.

Buer · 29-02-2020 11:10am

Baird is the only one of those I would imagine with a sniff of a chance to travel given he was already involved in the squad in a development capacity.

French wasn't even first choice for the U20 team last season. He reminds me of Brendan Macken. I'm not even sure he's going to be a success at provincial level long term.

Casey should be involved at some point down the line if he proves himself at provincial level as should Byrne. Casey should be able to establish himself in the Munster 23 fairly quickly although his size may hold him back from getting selected for Ireland.

The two of them look extremely promising but they certainly haven't looked like guys that need to be fast tracked into test rugby.

FellasFellas · 29-02-2020 11:24am

Buer wrote: »

Baird is the only one of those I would imagine with a sniff of a chance to travel given he was already involved in the squad in a development capacity.

French wasn't even first choice for the U20 team last season. He reminds me of Brendan Macken. I'm not even sure he's going to be a success at provincial level long term.

Casey should be involved at some point down the line if he proves himself at provincial level as should Byrne. Casey should be able to establish himself in the Munster 23 fairly quickly although his size may hold him back from getting selected for Ireland.

The two of them look extremely promising but they certainly haven't looked like guys that need to be fast tracked into test rugby.

French is potentially the best back in the AIL. Everytime he came on for the Irish 20s or started he did something, he can also kick goals from 50 + metres which isnt relevant but still shows hes a footballer. He might not make this tour but I would back him to be in the Irish Squad sooner rather than later.

My point is, are we going to give all the hooker caps to Rob Herring, Niall Scannell, Cronin over the next 3 years, who we all know are not good enough. No, we give them to Kelleher, Dan Sheehan, Stewart, McKee, these good players coming through.

Casey and Harry Byrne need to be exposed to it now, it's not fast tracking them. They have shown they are capable, why waste another year waiting for them. Bring them on tour, there is so much to gain and nothing to lose.

stephen_n · 29-02-2020 11:30am

FellasFellas wrote: »

French is potentially the best back in the AIL.

Casey and Harry Byrne need to be exposed to it now, it's not fast tracking them. They have shown they are capable, why waste another year waiting for them. Bring them on tour, there is so much to gain and nothing to lose.

Being the best back in the AIL might get you into a Pro 14, it doesn’t and shouldn’t get you anywhere near an Irish Squad. The gulf in class is like suggesting picking a Schools player to start a European game for a province.

Casey and Harry Byrne have had limited exposure to dirt tracker Pro 14 games. They haven’t shown they are capeable at anything remotely resembling test level rugby yet.

ionadnapokot · 29-02-2020 12:11pm

I’d have no qualms about giving Casey his chance.
Would hope to see at least 3 or 4 new caps on Australia tour.
With Murray/Sexton traveling but only as replacements.

Larmour; Baloucoune, Ringrose, McCloskey, Conway; RByrne, Cooney; ?, Kelleher, Furlong (c); Baird, Ryan; CJ, VdF, Dorris.

Herring, ?, ?, Henderson, Connors, Casey/Murray, Carty?/Sexton, Addison?always injured/Henshaw?

jacothelad · 29-02-2020 12:23pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

French is potentially the best back in the AIL. Everytime he came on for the Irish 20s or started he did something, he can also kick goals from 50 + metres which isnt relevant but still shows hes a footballer. He might not make this tour but I would back him to be in the Irish Squad sooner rather than later.

My point is, are we going to give all the hooker caps to Rob Herring, Niall Scannell, Cronin over the next 3 years, who we all know are not good enough. No, we give them to Kelleher, Dan Sheehan, Stewart, McKee, these good players coming through.

Casey and Harry Byrne need to be exposed to it now, it's not fast tracking them. They have shown they are capable, why waste another year waiting for them. Bring them on tour, there is so much to gain and nothing to lose.

Except all the games.....

Buer · 29-02-2020 1:06pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

Casey and Harry Byrne need to be exposed to it now, it's not fast tracking them. They have shown they are capable, why waste another year waiting for them. Bring them on tour, there is so much to gain and nothing to lose.

Shown their capable of what though? They've done decently against low to mid tier Pro14 teams. What evidence is there to support them being involved in the Irish 23?

Lads like Carbery and Ross Byrne are only 24. Billy Burns is 25. They've all shown far more than Harry Byrne at provincial level. I fully expect him to be an Irish international and collect a good few caps but he's nothing more than potential at this point. Get him involved in the squad in autumn, potentially. Bringing him to Australia would be a waste of a spot.

Casey has even less time for Munster despite having mediocrity in front of him earlier in the season. Again, I think he'll be a test player but he needs to develop. He's very, very small for pro rugby and would be eaten alive by a test level back row.

Baird is the one guy who has shown he has the ability and physical talent right now to stand out comfortably at Pro14 level and deserves involvement at a higher level.

AbusesToilets · 29-02-2020 2:58pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

French is potentially the best back in the AIL. Everytime he came on for the Irish 20s or started he did something, he can also kick goals from 50 + metres which isnt relevant but still shows hes a footballer. He might not make this tour but I would back him to be in the Irish Squad sooner rather than later.

My point is, are we going to give all the hooker caps to Rob Herring, Niall Scannell, Cronin over the next 3 years, who we all know are not good enough. No, we give them to Kelleher, Dan Sheehan, Stewart, McKee, these good players coming through.

Casey and Harry Byrne need to be exposed to it now, it's not fast tracking them. They have shown they are capable, why waste another year waiting for them. Bring them on tour, there is so much to gain and nothing to lose.

If Ntamack can be starting for France, then Bryne can absolutely be included in the squad. We need to find a top replacement for Sexton, and Carberry isn't it imo.

stephen_n · 29-02-2020 3:04pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If Ntamack can be starting for France, then Bryne can absolutely be included in the squad. We need to find a top replacement for Sexton, and Carberry isn't it imo.

Ntamack has two seasons in the starting team for Toulouse. Two years of top flight rugby including starting a European semi final. How can you even compare that to Harry Byrne? There is absolutely no comparison between the two players apart from the fact they both play 10. Shiny new toy mode to the nth degree.

AbusesToilets · 29-02-2020 3:09pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Ntamack has two seasons in the starting team for Toulouse. Two years of top flight rugby including starting a European semi final. How can you even compare that to Harry Byrne? There is absolutely no comparison between the two players apart from the fact they both play 10. Shiny new toy mode to the nth degree.

They're of a similar age, both seriously talented. The French have no problem backing talent, in Ireland it's seemingly blasphemous to suggest he could be involved in a squad. Ridiculous conservatism.

I'm not calling for Bryne to start in Paris, I'm saying he can be involved in the squad. Don't think many would argue that he looks to be the best 10 coming through talent wise, so why waste time with lesser options?

Buer · 29-02-2020 3:19pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If Ntamack can be starting for France, then Bryne can absolutely be included in the squad. We need to find a top replacement for Sexton, and Carberry isn't it imo.

Ntamack was a prodigy who was identified way out as a test player in the making. He was starting for France at U20 level at 18. He still wasn't capped until last year when he had proven himself and was regularly starting for Toulouse in the Champions Cup.

Byrne looks good but hasn't shown a fraction of what Ntamack had shown before he was capped.

29-02-2020 3:25pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They're of a similar age, both seriously talented. The French have no problem backing talent, in Ireland it's seemingly blasphemous to suggest he could be involved in a squad. Ridiculous conservatism.

I'm not calling for Bryne to start in Paris, I'm saying he can be involved in the squad. Don't think many would argue that he looks to be the best 10 coming through talent wise, so why waste time with lesser options?

We're starting to see the problem with having only four competitive club teams in ireland

Dubinusa · 29-02-2020 4:31pm

The summer tour would be ideal to blood some new lads. Baloucoune, I think will be capped. Baird should at least travel. Will Conners should be included.
For this tour , I would drop Toner Murray. Sexton and POM. Let them rest up. As far as Casy goes he needs a serious run of good form. I thin Cooney and Luke will get these matches. Marmion could be recalled and JGP may also feature. I'm for blooding young lads, but Casey hasn't the experience yet and the others have never been given a fair chance.
Sexton should remain at home. It's time to look at the other options. Carberry should be given time to recover. His career has been a glut of injuries. The squad will a mix of fringe lads and experience. The likes of Chris Farrell and McCloskey should travel. I expect Conan to be in the mix, so Deegan or Doris could be omitted. If Stander is rested, then they all may travel.. it should be an area for implementing new strategy and introducing new players.

stephen_n · 29-02-2020 5:10pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They're of a similar age, both seriously talented. The French have no problem backing talent, in Ireland it's seemingly blasphemous to suggest he could be involved in a squad. Ridiculous conservatism.

I'm not calling for Bryne to start in Paris, I'm saying he can be involved in the squad. Don't think many would argue that he looks to be the best 10 coming through talent wise, so why waste time with lesser options?

And you are just going to completely ignore the monumental difference in their experience of top level rugby. He was involved with the squad already, but at the moment he is 3 or 4 choice at Leinster. The difference between him and Ntamack is night and day.

29-02-2020 5:16pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

The summer tour would be ideal to blood some new lads. Baloucoune, I think will be capped. Baird should at least travel. Will Conners should be included.
For this tour , I would drop Toner Murray. Sexton and POM. Let them rest up. As far as Casy goes he needs a serious run of good form. I thin Cooney and Luke will get these matches. Marmion could be recalled and JGP may also feature. I'm for blooding young lads, but Casey hasn't the experience yet and the others have never been given a fair chance.
Sexton should remain at home. It's time to look at the other options. Carberry should be given time to recover. His career has been a glut of injuries. The squad will a mix of fringe lads and experience. The likes of Chris Farrell and McCloskey should travel. I expect Conan to be in the mix, so Deegan or Doris could be omitted. If Stander is rested, then they all may travel.. it should be an area for implementing new strategy and introducing new players.

It's a tour to Australia, not US/Canada. There's valid arguments to drop Toner, Murray and POM but Sexton will 100% be travelling. Even if he doesn't play, he would be invaluable to have around the younger lads.

JRant · 29-02-2020 5:23pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They're of a similar age, both seriously talented. The French have no problem backing talent, in Ireland it's seemingly blasphemous to suggest he could be involved in a squad. Ridiculous conservatism.

I'm not calling for Bryne to start in Paris, I'm saying he can be involved in the squad. Don't think many would argue that he looks to be the best 10 coming through talent wise, so why waste time with lesser options?

I like the look of Byrne and Leinster seem to be developing him nicely. He still has a lot to learn though and the danger is throwing him in too early could set him back. However, I do believe we are too slow to bring young players into the starting team. There's a raft of exciting talent coming through at lock and backrow but we are far too slow to bring them through. Ryan is the exception that proves the rule for me. Baird should start in the summer, maybe even this 6Ns if it is ever played out.

Shefwedfan · 29-02-2020 5:26pm

Some jump, before the England game everyone was happy with sticking as is, no need to bring in Cooney or Doris

Now standard over the top reaction and people talking about bringing in H Byrne

Ido think both H Byrne and Casey should be in squad but without the time at province level they would be killed at international level, Byrne is getting good experience with Leinster but Casey?

Also the u20 9, can’t think of name, similar to Casey and could have similar impact on senior squad, what do irfu/Ulster do? Sign a over the hill NZ player to block any chance of him getting time next season

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