Cheltenham 2020

Yeah not sure where the stamina issues for him are coming from. If anything he might have beaten Envoi Allen at Fairyhouse that time if the trip was further.

My worry about the supreme is the other horses in the race and that's why I'm reluctant to back Abacadabras, 5/1 leaves me right on the fence. There are 5+ horses with a decent claim in the race. Same story every year though and it's why those backing short prices are lunatics.

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Abracadbras most impressive victory came at Navan in November on Soft to Heavy ground. I'm not worried about that too much

FatRat wrote: »

Yeah not sure where the stamina issues for him are coming from. If anything he might have beaten Envoi Allen at Fairyhouse that time if the trip was further.

My worry about the supreme is the other horses in the race and that's why I'm reluctant to back Abacadabras, 5/1 leaves me right on the fence. There are 5+ horses with a decent claim in the race. Same story every year though and it's why those backing short prices are lunatics.

Ah Jesus will you stop, my heads all over the place

Abacadabras all along was my fancy here, mainly because GE said he'll be better on the better ground. Can see him travelling all over the field coming to the last, but he didnt get up the hill too well in the bumper last year after looking the winner!! Just saying

But if he keeps drifting...

FatRat wrote: »

I think a drift is on the cards for him alright along with Envoi Allen (unpopular opinion here I'd imagine). Wouldn't touch either of them until the night before or day of. Should be easier to make a decision then as well.

Asterion Forlonge will be backed off the boards by everyone on the day. He will go off fav if you ask me.

And if Tizzard fancies Fidderlerontheroof, the Brits will get aboard that particular train.

Shiskin way to short and will understandable drift.

It will be an interesting market, a very tricky race to call.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I was hoping Asterion Forlonge took on Envoi Allen, my fingers are still crossed. I am backing him wherever he goes. But there will be a bigger price in the Ballymore. I don't think the Donnelly's would send 2 horses to the same race, why?

Who ever takes on Envoi Allen... there will be much nicer prices available. The supreme is turning into a bit of a minefield. With all the horses trying to avoid Envoi Allen it looks to be a more difficult race to win from a punting angle.

asterion is supreme bound , it was confirmed somewhere i think

What price do we reckon Aspire Tower would be for the triumph if he had replicated his prior form at that Leopardstown race?

Might have to forgive him that run for the sake of 6/1 ..

Delargy giving it the biggun on the podcast for Cepage in the Brown lads
Currently 12s

madmoose wrote: »

One of the most overrated ‘tipsters’ out there him, annoys me why arselick Emmett calls him king of the handicaps yet they never win....

Tom Segal is useless,but the worst by miles, even though he doesn't tip horses is that addict Steve Palmer. Hard to stomach racing coverage, just turn it on when the tapes go up, and switch it off when they pass the jamstick

Gary O'Brien best out there
Pat Keane too

Interestingly GOB thinks Honeysuckle would beat Beni and that Beni would beat Paisley

Half expecting honeysuckle will go champion now
Hope so too

Could you see the two of them lining out in what looks a very winnable CH? Although last year we thought it was all about the two big Irish-trained mares and we saw how that ended up.

I’ve had a tiny bet at 14 on envoi allen for the supreme , just in case . Tiny bet but if it’s soft it wouldn’t be out of the question . He’d be better off in supreme on soft .

aidankkk wrote: »

I’ve had a tiny bet at 14 on envoi allen for the supreme , just in case . Tiny bet but if it’s soft it wouldn’t be out of the question . He’d be better off in supreme on soft .

This lad would win the Champ Hurdle if its anyway decent ground. He wont like it too soft. Been told hes a tearaway at home nothing can keep up with him.

Anybody know whem Betway go NRNB? They only have the 4 Championship races NRNB.

maximo31 wrote: »

Derek O'Connor seemingly to ride Stalker Wallace in the Foxhunters.

Strongly fancy Hazel Hill again
Saved my week last year
On his best form he wins this again

There's a few younger lads on the block this year and I think one of them will take it / it'll be a better race than last year. I have Billaway for it, Stalker Wallace ties in with the form but with Derek O Connor now he could be the winner.

Picked out a long shot for the Albert Bartlett last night and went with Run Wild Fred. Couldn't believe my eyes to see Bet365 are NRNB 33/1 on him.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Nice spin around there for Mengli Khan

If there is anyone out there planning a plot with Mengli Khan, they need their heads examined. That race is last chance saloon for dogs. The implication that they werent trying today is well wide of the mark.

Just read there for the first time that Alan King plans to bring The Glancing Queen back to the Bumper for her first run of the season. Had completely forgot about her. Was 7l fifth to Envoi Allen last year and a great next run at Aintree to beat Minella Melody by over 2 lengths and Daylight Katie back in third, who hasn't shown this year but was the only one to come any bit close to Gypsy Island after.

I think had she been turned out for even 1 race this year and won it handy then she would be near the top of the market. Will be tough to win first time out for the season but the experience and form alone means she should be shorter than 20/1 for sure.

Looking at the bumper for the 1st time properly and backing Appreciate it at them prices is absolute madness. So many horses either with only decent wins to their names this season or that are completely unexposed.

Morgans wrote: »

If there is anyone out there planning a plot with Mengli Khan, they need their heads examined. That race is last chance saloon for dogs. The implication that they werent trying today is well wide of the mark.

Probably true but 33s is to big to turn down for a horse placed in a Supreme and Arkle. Sure I was told the same on here about Chitibello and Wicklow Brave last year. Ill stick with him.

Was actually the JLT he was placed in last year. Probably the strongest novice race at last years festival.

Slattsy wrote: »

First year Mullins wont have Ruby riding his fancied horses. Has anyone taken that into account with their bets?

Doesn't seem to be much chat about this.. No one rides Cheltenham quite like Ruby. PT isn't in his league around there.

I dont know about you lot but i'd have it as a negative, especially on horses that will front run.

That the fella that used to jump off his horses at the last?




'Tis a good point. Has to be a negative. Townend won't have been under this kinda pressure before.