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Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Strabanimal


    johnmc76 wrote: »
    He's going to feel like a complete fool in a few years when he grows up and matures.

    Aye 22 years old headlining Bellator events with no one having met him having a bad word to say about him.

    Maybe he can one day reach the heights of a man of your stature, whinging about immigrants on the boards forums.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 johnmc76


    Aye 22 years old headlining Bellator events with no one having met him having a bad word to say about him.

    Headlining against handpicked opponents. And putting on a Terrible "I want to be like Conor when I grow up" act. Anybody can be a star with that level of protection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Because Irish gonna Irish


    Not really. Conor McGregor did it exceptionally well, a combination of immense talent and skill, genuinely witty and funny, and knew how to work a crowd. He captured the world, but other Irish fighters of the era were well liked, respected and well regarded at home also. Pendred, Duffy, Holohan, whoever. Gallagher is painfully unfunny and cringe-inducing with his straight-to-DVD Conor impression, despite having a) none of his wit and charisma and b) not having earned a shade of the reputation he's paraded as having by both himself and Bellator.

    Drop the pitiful Conor act, start fighting actual quality opponents, then maybe people will start to like him. I'm sure he is a decent fighter, but he needs to start fightiing proper high-level opposition and not these total scrubs pulled from local organisations to headline Bellator events. Any amount of decent fighters in his weight class within Bellator he could fight but they're clearly afraid to and it's starting to become utterly farcical.

    So no, there's nothing remotely "Irish gonna Irish" about it, at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Fedor v Rampage in Tokyo on 29th December. Serious Pride vibes off that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Homelander wrote: »
    Not really. Conor McGregor did it exceptionally well, a combination of immense talent and skill, genuinely witty and funny, and knew how to work a crowd. He captured the world, but other Irish fighters of the era were well liked, respected and well regarded at home also. Pendred, Duffy, Holohan, whoever. Gallagher is painfully unfunny and cringe-inducing with his straight-to-DVD Conor impression, despite having a) none of his wit and charisma and b) not having earned a shade of the reputation he's paraded as having by both himself and Bellator.

    Drop the pitiful Conor act, start fighting actual quality opponents, then maybe people will start to like him. I'm sure he is a decent fighter, but he needs to start fightiing proper high-level opposition and not these total scrubs pulled from local organisations to headline Bellator events. Any amount of decent fighters in his weight class within Bellator he could fight but they're clearly afraid to and it's starting to become utterly farcical.

    So no, there's nothing remotely "Irish gonna Irish" about it, at all.
    Mellor mentioned people giving out about his attention seeking, while giving him the attention he is seeking, that's about as Irish as you can get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Mellor mentioned people giving out about his attention seeking, while giving him the attention he is seeking, that's about as Irish as you can get.

    Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ

    Not really a like for like comparison though. Jon Jones didn't have his first pro fight until he was about Gallagher's age. Gallagher has been doing this for about 3 years now. I don't think any one is saying he should be taking on the best of the best but he should be moving past smashing cans.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 johnmc76


    Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ

    He's already 10 fights into his career. High time for him to step up in competition. Not expecting to start fighting the top 10,but some actual competition than we can actually gauge his skill level with and if we can see if he's worth this hype that he's getting from Bellator.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    The only decent fighter he's ever fought, he got murdered. He's never going to be a top tier fighter. Bellator will protect him as along as they can.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Rory is so trigger shy these days he really should just call it a day his hearts not in it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Homelander wrote: »
    Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.

    Its embarassing these lads are still fighting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Slightly embarrasing!. CageWarriors 110 Chris Fields leads his fighter Omran Chabaan out and Fields and corner team take their seats a bit early just as their fighter is about to go through the pat down. At this point Chabaan realises he hasnt his gum shield and needs to go over and tap Fields on the shoulder to make him aware!. Fields is shocked and legs it back to the dressing room for the gum shield!.

    EDIT:
    Omran Chabaan Wins!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
    Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    califano wrote: »
    Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
    Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?

    Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.

    So Frustrating innit!.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    There were some good wins for a few of the Irish lads on Cage Warriors last night. PA Lahane on the amateur undercard, John Mitchell in his pro debut on the main card, Ian Garry to go 3 and 0 with a first round sub and Rhys McKee with a first round TKO off of a jab which floored his opponent!

    Ian Garry is trying to push for a spot on the London card in 2 weeks time of anyone drops out.

    I'd like to see Rhys get another couple of wins under his belt before there is any talk of moving to the UFC. I'd be surprised if they don't pick him up the next time they have a show this side of Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Roar


    John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

    Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

    Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Roar wrote: »
    John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

    Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

    Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.

    I take it you were at it?

    They've just announced 3 more Irish dates. Back in Cork in July and Belfast in May and September.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.

    It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Oh Garry Garry! Garry Garry Garry Garry Garry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.
    Whelo79 wrote: »
    It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.

    What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
    Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Mellor wrote: »
    What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
    Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.

    He's big, looks the part, and talks well.

    I think people are glossing over the smack he took last week. For a guy who's a supposed stand up specialist he looked for a sec that he was going to get KO'd. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh here, but I'm getting a bit sick of the hype around him already. Seems Aaron Pico-esque imo. Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.

    I was at CW Cork last week, great show. Leaves Bellator for dust in overall experience imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.
    That's kinda what prompted my question tbh.
    He could well be UFC material in a few years, but he obviously isn't near that level now. Not a dig in the slightest, just the reality of being a fresh pro. No way on knowing how much or how little he'll improve. But "hype" about him now will do more harm that good imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

    After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

    After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.

    Undoubted potential yeah. But I just kind of squirm when I hear Tom King and Chris Fields heap so much praise on him, when he's still only a baby. This kind of traction just adds more pressure on him and he becomes a serious target, and if he does stutter on the way up (as most do), the unecessary fallout is a much bigger deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    He looks good, sharp. But I agree that it's a bit OTT to be hyping him up like he's destined for the UFC, adds way too much pressure at such an early stage, he's clearly shown talent, but he's yet to be truly proven (and that is 100% natural given his current position). I feel some people are just too eager to search out the new McGregor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    There's nothing wrong with setting yourself targets and goals and speaking them aloud. What's the point in pretending the UFC is not a target? Anyone who ever steps into that cage has the dream of fighting in the UFC.

    Everyone (most people) thinks pressure and nerves are negative debilitating factors that should be avoided. If you accept those feelings and emotions as part of life and understand how they effect you, they can become positive factors and facilitate someone in achieving their goals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I said he can make it to the UFC I didn't say he could be a champion or the next McGregor that standard is far apart from just fighting there.
    He was right what he said any fighter dreams of the UFC, no one wakes up and says I want to be a bellator champion.
    I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.

    Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Ross Pearson just got absolutely startched with a rolling thunder. Amazing KO.

    https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/1195836332540600320?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    I
    I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.
    The SBG guys are in Belator because they aren’t currently good enough for the UFC.
    Same reason that the lads in cage warriors aren’t good enough. Getting signed by the UFC has very little to do with wanting to be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.

    Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    rob316 wrote: »
    Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.

    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

    He care barely win against cans in Bellator, he wouldn't have a hope in the ufc imo.

    Poor man's Pendred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

    Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Crosbie is 29 too. Bit old to be a prospect. The current sbg crop wouldn't be in the UFC even if they weren't locked down to bellator, realistically. Delusions of grandeur seems to be a big thing in SBG these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.
    I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Mellor wrote: »
    I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.

    Not aimed at queally but there is a host of other prospects there taking the money now and not pushing for the UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    Not aimed at queally but there is a host of other prospects there taking the money now and not pushing for the UFC.
    Well you just said "SBG", so I took it as all SBG fighters in Belator. I didn't think there were many, but maybe I'm not aware of the full roster - in fact I'm definitely not.

    So who do you mean, if not Queally? As he's one of the better lads imo. Obviously not Ward, Kiely and the likes. Philip Mulpeter was recently signed, and by all reports that was well deserved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Does anyone else here ever watch WCMMA? Its sometimes on around 10pm on FrontRunner which is sky channel 431

    The standard is a bit emmmmmmmmm basic! But I love seeing 2 guys going for it. The fights usually are very short.

    I am watching it now as there is a guy called "Fracture Hawk"!! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?

    Boylans not that smart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭bono_v


    I see Johnny redmond lost by first round stoppage at the weekend? Anyone see it ? Got a link?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,602 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?

    Just read that tried signed up on short notice. Attempted to cut 33lbs in 9 days.
    These guys are not smart


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Pimblet will be devastated. He's supposedly put a hell of a lot of work into this fight. Coming off his last loss and then injury he was apparently pretty down for quite a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Can't cry any tears for Pimblet myself. He's thoroughly unlikable, any time he opens his mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    Pimblett giving your man stick when he previously missed weight on a full camp, this lad had 9 days.

    he probably should have not taken the fight, that is a huge cut and he knew it but for paddy to give him stick he needs to wind in a bit.

    if CW wanted the fight so bad do it at a catch-weight or put a stipulation that Gianetti can only re-hydrate back up to a certain weight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    fitzparker wrote: »
    Pimblett giving your man stick when he previously missed weight on a full camp, this lad had 9 days.

    he probably should have not taken the fight, that is a huge cut and he knew it but for paddy to give him stick he needs to wind in a bit.

    if CW wanted the fight so bad do it at a catch-weight or put a stipulation that Gianetti can only re-hydrate back up to a certain weight.

    You can't really blame him for being pissed off. It's not his fault his original opponent fell out and Gianetti took the fight. Paddy's version of events is Gianetti weighed in at 163 and immediately started rehydrating.

    I blame CW on this, surely there was a 155lb fighter somewhere in the UK or Ireland that could have taken this fight rather than flying a guy across the Atlantic.


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