Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

Strabanimal · 08-10-2019 11:01pm

johnmc76 wrote: »

He's going to feel like a complete fool in a few years when he grows up and matures.

Aye 22 years old headlining Bellator events with no one having met him having a bad word to say about him.

Maybe he can one day reach the heights of a man of your stature, whinging about immigrants on the boards forums.

johnmc76 · 08-10-2019 11:09pm

Strabanimal wrote: »

Aye 22 years old headlining Bellator events with no one having met him having a bad word to say about him.

Headlining against handpicked opponents. And putting on a Terrible "I want to be like Conor when I grow up" act. Anybody can be a star with that level of protection.

Homelander · 09-10-2019 10:03am

Tazzimus wrote: »

Because Irish gonna Irish

Not really. Conor McGregor did it exceptionally well, a combination of immense talent and skill, genuinely witty and funny, and knew how to work a crowd. He captured the world, but other Irish fighters of the era were well liked, respected and well regarded at home also. Pendred, Duffy, Holohan, whoever. Gallagher is painfully unfunny and cringe-inducing with his straight-to-DVD Conor impression, despite having a) none of his wit and charisma and b) not having earned a shade of the reputation he's paraded as having by both himself and Bellator.

Drop the pitiful Conor act, start fighting actual quality opponents, then maybe people will start to like him. I'm sure he is a decent fighter, but he needs to start fightiing proper high-level opposition and not these total scrubs pulled from local organisations to headline Bellator events. Any amount of decent fighters in his weight class within Bellator he could fight but they're clearly afraid to and it's starting to become utterly farcical.

So no, there's nothing remotely "Irish gonna Irish" about it, at all.

Whelo79 · 09-10-2019 10:41am

Fedor v Rampage in Tokyo on 29th December. Serious Pride vibes off that.

Tazzimus · 09-10-2019 11:29am

Homelander wrote: »

Not really. Conor McGregor did it exceptionally well, a combination of immense talent and skill, genuinely witty and funny, and knew how to work a crowd. He captured the world, but other Irish fighters of the era were well liked, respected and well regarded at home also. Pendred, Duffy, Holohan, whoever. Gallagher is painfully unfunny and cringe-inducing with his straight-to-DVD Conor impression, despite having a) none of his wit and charisma and b) not having earned a shade of the reputation he's paraded as having by both himself and Bellator.

Drop the pitiful Conor act, start fighting actual quality opponents, then maybe people will start to like him. I'm sure he is a decent fighter, but he needs to start fightiing proper high-level opposition and not these total scrubs pulled from local organisations to headline Bellator events. Any amount of decent fighters in his weight class within Bellator he could fight but they're clearly afraid to and it's starting to become utterly farcical.

So no, there's nothing remotely "Irish gonna Irish" about it, at all.

Mellor mentioned people giving out about his attention seeking, while giving him the attention he is seeking, that's about as Irish as you can get.

LollipopJimmy · 10-10-2019 1:24pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Mellor mentioned people giving out about his attention seeking, while giving him the attention he is seeking, that's about as Irish as you can get.

Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ

AlmightyCushion · 10-10-2019 2:58pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ

Not really a like for like comparison though. Jon Jones didn't have his first pro fight until he was about Gallagher's age. Gallagher has been doing this for about 3 years now. I don't think any one is saying he should be taking on the best of the best but he should be moving past smashing cans.

johnmc76 · 10-10-2019 4:42pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Also continually calling for him to fight 'actual high level' opponents. He's 22 ffs, he's hardly going to be on a title run at that age, Jon Jones, a contender for GOAT was I think 24 before he became champ

He's already 10 fights into his career. High time for him to step up in competition. Not expecting to start fighting the top 10,but some actual competition than we can actually gauge his skill level with and if we can see if he's worth this hype that he's getting from Bellator.

Subcomandante Marcos · 10-10-2019 4:44pm

The only decent fighter he's ever fought, he got murdered. He's never going to be a top tier fighter. Bellator will protect him as along as they can.

bmcc10 · 27-10-2019 5:21am

Rory is so trigger shy these days he really should just call it a day his hearts not in it

Homelander · 29-10-2019 12:13am

Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.

rob316 · 04-11-2019 1:38pm

Homelander wrote: »

Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.

Its embarassing these lads are still fighting.

califano · 09-11-2019 8:13pm

Slightly embarrasing!. CageWarriors 110 Chris Fields leads his fighter Omran Chabaan out and Fields and corner team take their seats a bit early just as their fighter is about to go through the pat down. At this point Chabaan realises he hasnt his gum shield and needs to go over and tap Fields on the shoulder to make him aware!. Fields is shocked and legs it back to the dressing room for the gum shield!.

EDIT:

Omran Chabaan Wins!

califano · 09-11-2019 10:07pm

Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?

Whelo79 · 09-11-2019 10:09pm

califano wrote: »

Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?

Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.

califano · 09-11-2019 10:19pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.

So Frustrating innit!.

Whelo79 · 10-11-2019 12:33pm

There were some good wins for a few of the Irish lads on Cage Warriors last night. PA Lahane on the amateur undercard, John Mitchell in his pro debut on the main card, Ian Garry to go 3 and 0 with a first round sub and Rhys McKee with a first round TKO off of a jab which floored his opponent!

Ian Garry is trying to push for a spot on the London card in 2 weeks time of anyone drops out.

I'd like to see Rhys get another couple of wins under his belt before there is any talk of moving to the UFC. I'd be surprised if they don't pick him up the next time they have a show this side of Europe.

Roar · 10-11-2019 1:57pm

John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.

Whelo79 · 11-11-2019 1:38pm

Roar wrote: »

John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.

I take it you were at it?

They've just announced 3 more Irish dates. Back in Cork in July and Belfast in May and September.

rob316 · 11-11-2019 2:11pm

I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.

Whelo79 · 11-11-2019 7:12pm

rob316 wrote: »

I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.

It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.

califano · 11-11-2019 9:36pm

Oh Garry Garry! Garry Garry Garry Garry Garry!

Mellor · 15-11-2019 5:33am

rob316 wrote: »

I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.

Whelo79 wrote: »

It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.

What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.

dulux99 · 15-11-2019 7:34am

Mellor wrote: »

What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.

He's big, looks the part, and talks well.

I think people are glossing over the smack he took last week. For a guy who's a supposed stand up specialist he looked for a sec that he was going to get KO'd. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh here, but I'm getting a bit sick of the hype around him already. Seems Aaron Pico-esque imo. Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.

I was at CW Cork last week, great show. Leaves Bellator for dust in overall experience imo.

Mellor · 15-11-2019 8:06am

dulux99 wrote: »

Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.

That's kinda what prompted my question tbh.
He could well be UFC material in a few years, but he obviously isn't near that level now. Not a dig in the slightest, just the reality of being a fresh pro. No way on knowing how much or how little he'll improve. But "hype" about him now will do more harm that good imo.

Whelo79 · 15-11-2019 1:56pm

I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.

dulux99 · 16-11-2019 12:44am

Whelo79 wrote: »

I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.

Undoubted potential yeah. But I just kind of squirm when I hear Tom King and Chris Fields heap so much praise on him, when he's still only a baby. This kind of traction just adds more pressure on him and he becomes a serious target, and if he does stutter on the way up (as most do), the unecessary fallout is a much bigger deal.

Homelander · 16-11-2019 1:59am

He looks good, sharp. But I agree that it's a bit OTT to be hyping him up like he's destined for the UFC, adds way too much pressure at such an early stage, he's clearly shown talent, but he's yet to be truly proven (and that is 100% natural given his current position). I feel some people are just too eager to search out the new McGregor.

Whelo79 · 16-11-2019 8:37am

There's nothing wrong with setting yourself targets and goals and speaking them aloud. What's the point in pretending the UFC is not a target? Anyone who ever steps into that cage has the dream of fighting in the UFC.

Everyone (most people) thinks pressure and nerves are negative debilitating factors that should be avoided. If you accept those feelings and emotions as part of life and understand how they effect you, they can become positive factors and facilitate someone in achieving their goals.

rob316 · 16-11-2019 7:58pm

I said he can make it to the UFC I didn't say he could be a champion or the next McGregor that standard is far apart from just fighting there.
He was right what he said any fighter dreams of the UFC, no one wakes up and says I want to be a bellator champion.
I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.

Tazzimus · 16-11-2019 10:34pm

rob316 wrote: »

I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.

Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.

ASOT · 17-11-2019 12:59am

Ross Pearson just got absolutely startched with a rolling thunder. Amazing KO.

https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/1195836332540600320?s=20

Mellor · 17-11-2019 2:31am

rob316 wrote: »

I
I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.

The SBG guys are in Belator because they aren’t currently good enough for the UFC.
Same reason that the lads in cage warriors aren’t good enough. Getting signed by the UFC has very little to do with wanting to be there.

rob316 · 17-11-2019 10:12am

Tazzimus wrote: »

Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.

Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.

Tazzimus · 17-11-2019 12:27pm

rob316 wrote: »

Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.

This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

ASOT · 17-11-2019 2:07pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

He care barely win against cans in Bellator, he wouldn't have a hope in the ufc imo.

Poor man's Pendred.

rob316 · 17-11-2019 3:40pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.

dulux99 · 17-11-2019 6:17pm

Crosbie is 29 too. Bit old to be a prospect. The current sbg crop wouldn't be in the UFC even if they weren't locked down to bellator, realistically. Delusions of grandeur seems to be a big thing in SBG these days.

Mellor · 17-11-2019 10:47pm

rob316 wrote: »

Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.

I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.

rob316 · 17-11-2019 10:59pm

Mellor wrote: »

I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.

Not aimed at queally but there is a host of other prospects there taking the money now and not pushing for the UFC.

Mellor · 17-11-2019 11:22pm

rob316 wrote: »

Not aimed at queally but there is a host of other prospects there taking the money now and not pushing for the UFC.

Well you just said "SBG", so I took it as all SBG fighters in Belator. I didn't think there were many, but maybe I'm not aware of the full roster - in fact I'm definitely not.

So who do you mean, if not Queally? As he's one of the better lads imo. Obviously not Ward, Kiely and the likes. Philip Mulpeter was recently signed, and by all reports that was well deserved.

The White Feather · 18-11-2019 11:38pm

Does anyone else here ever watch WCMMA? Its sometimes on around 10pm on FrontRunner which is sky channel 431

The standard is a bit emmmmmmmmm basic! But I love seeing 2 guys going for it. The fights usually are very short.

I am watching it now as there is a guy called "Fracture Hawk"!!

dulux99 · 21-11-2019 9:00pm

Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?

ASOT · 21-11-2019 9:45pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?

Boylans not that smart.

bono_v · 21-11-2019 10:08pm

I see Johnny redmond lost by first round stoppage at the weekend? Anyone see it ? Got a link?

Mellor · 21-11-2019 10:58pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Paddy Pimbletts fight tomorrow has been cancelled, Gianetti missed weight and supposedly refused to cut anymore. Weighed in at 163 for a 155lb fight. Surely CW could have somehow preempted this? Did they not enquire about his weight FFS?

Just read that tried signed up on short notice. Attempted to cut 33lbs in 9 days.
These guys are not smart

Whelo79 · 21-11-2019 11:06pm

Pimblet will be devastated. He's supposedly put a hell of a lot of work into this fight. Coming off his last loss and then injury he was apparently pretty down for quite a while.

weemcd · 21-11-2019 11:13pm

Can't cry any tears for Pimblet myself. He's thoroughly unlikable, any time he opens his mouth.

fitzparker · 22-11-2019 9:05am

Pimblett giving your man stick when he previously missed weight on a full camp, this lad had 9 days.

he probably should have not taken the fight, that is a huge cut and he knew it but for paddy to give him stick he needs to wind in a bit.

if CW wanted the fight so bad do it at a catch-weight or put a stipulation that Gianetti can only re-hydrate back up to a certain weight.

dulux99 · 22-11-2019 9:31am

fitzparker wrote: »

Pimblett giving your man stick when he previously missed weight on a full camp, this lad had 9 days.

he probably should have not taken the fight, that is a huge cut and he knew it but for paddy to give him stick he needs to wind in a bit.

if CW wanted the fight so bad do it at a catch-weight or put a stipulation that Gianetti can only re-hydrate back up to a certain weight.

You can't really blame him for being pissed off. It's not his fault his original opponent fell out and Gianetti took the fight. Paddy's version of events is Gianetti weighed in at 163 and immediately started rehydrating.

I blame CW on this, surely there was a 155lb fighter somewhere in the UK or Ireland that could have taken this fight rather than flying a guy across the Atlantic.

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