Election Thread - Dublin West - SEE MOD NOTE IN POST 1

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 12:03pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

There's no way I am giving Ruth any preference. As mentioned before, she is just a shouter and not really a doer. She is running based on a past track record and has nothing new to contribute. She has dont nothing for the Castleknock/Blanchardstown area and seems to concentrate on the areas like Mulhuddart/Hartstown/Blakestown which gives those places a bad name by harping on about social issues in those areas. Why not concentrate and spend some effort on building them places up verbally?

Completely agree with you.
I have never seen RC get her hands dirty in my area of D15 (Clonsilla/Clonee/Ongar), and I’m living here 17 years. PD is around week in week out all year every year for as long as I can remember and has always followed up with every issue my family have ever contacted him on. He’s the only candidate I can say in my time living here that has done that. He’s definitely getting our No. 1. FF, FG, Lab, Greens all useless.
Beyond number 1 I’m undecided. Was originally going to give RC number 2 but as others have said she has nothing new or positive to offer and I’m afraid of PD losing out on transfers. I don’t think I’m going to vote beyond my first preference.

Nijmegen · 30-01-2020 1:00pm

Dublin Mum wrote: »

Completely agree with you.
I have never seen RC get her hands dirty in my area of D15 (Clonsilla/Ongar), and I’m living here 17 years. PD is around week in week out all year every year for as long as I can remember and has always followed up with every issue my family have ever contacted him on. He’s the only candidate I can say in my time living here that has done that. He’s definitely getting our No. 1. FF, FG, Lab, Greens all useless.
Beyond number 1 I’m undecided. Was originally going to give RC number 2 but as others have said she has nothing new or positive to offer and I’m afraid of PD losing out on transfers. I don’t think I’m going to vote beyond my first preference.

I'd be a long time waiting to vote for SF, but in fairness as an individual candidate PD has been good in the community. But that's their entire groundswell strategy I suppose. If you want him to win, he needs your number 1 as the Shinners just don't attract transfers the way other parties do - a hardcore FF or FG voter will often throw a preference in some direction of Labour etc, but it's rare to see it occur to SF.

That being said, in terms of your preferences the clever way to use them is to vote for everyone except the people you very much don't want elected, ie your vote has a chance of staying alive as long as they are in the count and might edge out someone you dislike!

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 1:19pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

I'd be a long time waiting to vote for SF, but in fairness as an individual candidate PD has been good in the community. But that's their entire groundswell strategy I suppose. If you want him to win, he needs your number 1 as the Shinners just don't attract transfers the way other parties do - a hardcore FF or FG voter will often throw a preference in some direction of Labour etc, but it's rare to see it occur to SF.

That being said, in terms of your preferences the clever way to use them is to vote for everyone except the people you very much don't want elected, ie your vote has a chance of staying alive as long as they are in the count and might edge out someone you dislike!

Ordinarily I’d agree with you with any political representative, but definitely not when it comes to PD he’s working in the community throughout the constituency all the time over the years, and has always responded to any issue we’ve had whether it’s crime, drugs, traffic, education, community centres, litter, youth, summer projects, whatever...
There’s no other candidate I’d consider giving any preference to, to be honest, as there’s not one of them I’d like to see elected. Like I said, I was originally swaying towards RC for number 2 but the more I think about it she’s never been active in my community (neither was her party member MW before he lost out in the local elections).

Remind me · 30-01-2020 1:24pm

NufcNavan wrote: »

So SF will increase the dole and Ruth won't??

This isn't in reference to you but it's interesting how Chambers gets a hard time for his stance on the 8th and yet Leo, Coveney, Martin and many other prominent politicians changed their mind on the 8th once they realised it was going to pass. It seems as if having a loose moral stance is fine as long as you end up on the winning side in the end.

Peoples issue is that Chambers voted against holding the referendum then changed his mind while Martin gave a very good speech in the Dail explaining why he has changed his mind and voted for holding it like the others you mentioned.

I will be voting for Chambers but I do think that was a mistake on his part which I am sure he would now acknowledge.

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 1:32pm

Remind me wrote: »

Peoples issue is that Chambers voted against holding the referendum then changed his mind while Martin gave a very good speech in the Dail explaining why he has changed his mind and voted for holding it like the others you mentioned.

I will be voting for Chambers but I do think that was a mistake on his part which I am sure he would now acknowledge.

I think his stance on holding the referendum issue would be the least of my concerns regarding JC. Could see absolutely nothing positive about voting FF or for that particular candidate.

Remind me · 30-01-2020 1:59pm

Dublin Mum wrote: »

I think his stance on holding the referendum issue would be the least of my concerns regarding JC. Could see absolutely nothing positive about voting FF or for that particular candidate.

What else so in terms of Chambers?

I understand why people wouldn’t vote FF

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 2:10pm

Remind me wrote: »

What else so in terms of Chambers?

I understand why people wouldn’t vote FF

Well you’ve answered that- FF. But as a candidate it’s also his inability to respond to queries relating to serious local issues when he’s contacted, his apathy and obvious boredom when he shows up at local community/ fundraising events just to get his photo taken, the fact that he cannot answer any questions my family raise or address any issues raised when he knocks on my door...

Remind me · 30-01-2020 2:17pm

Dublin Mum wrote: »

Well you’ve answered that- FF. But as a candidate it’s also his inability to respond to queries relating to serious local issues when he’s contacted, his apathy and obvious boredom when he shows up at local community/ fundraising events just to get his photo taken, the fact that he cannot answer any questions my family raise or address any issues raised when he knocks on my door...

Fair enough on issues you have raised directly.

I have had the opposite experience with him and also Roderic on any issue or queries I have asked so will be 1&2.

On FF I have long accepted SF, FG, FF, labour etc... are all the same and if in power major issues will not change.

I vote as I presume most do on my interaction with candidates/TD’s/Councillors locally

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 2:19pm

Remind me wrote: »

Fair enough on issues you have raised directly.

I have had the opposite experience with him and also Roderic on any issue or queries I have asked so will be 1&2.

As with RC, it might depend with JC on where you’re living. I’ve never found him to venture down this direction unless there’s a photo opportunity or to canvass.

Remind me · 30-01-2020 2:37pm

Dublin Mum wrote: »

As with RC, it might depend with JC on where you’re living. I’ve never found him to venture down this direction unless there’s a photo opportunity or to canvass.

Not sure where you live but that is no different to them all. I have never seen Paul Donnelly and in 2016 he didn’t even poster around our way. 1st time I saw Coppinger out and about was at Tesco in Roselawn last week.

They pick and choose areas and that’s understandable, they know who they are trying to target.

Dublin Mum · 30-01-2020 2:42pm

Remind me wrote: »

Not sure where you live but that is no different to them all. I have never seen Paul Donnelly and in 2016 he didn’t even poster around our way. 1st time I saw Coppinger out and about was at Tesco in Roselawn last week.

They pick and choose areas and that’s understandable, they know who they are trying to target.

Canvassing and posters is one thing.

Contacting them on serious issues when they’re a representative in your constituency and receiving absolutely no response is unacceptable in my book.

I understand they can only spread themselves so thinly, but failure to acknowledge or respond more than once when contacted over what were in both cases very serious issues won’t ever give him (and others) a preference in this house. PD on the other hand responded and met a group of us the following morning. JB of Labour was the only other local representative to respond, getting MC to contact us over 4 weeks later, by which time PD had already made massive headway in escalating the issue to the relevant departments and organisations.

Remind me · 30-01-2020 2:45pm

Dublin Mum wrote: »

Canvassing and posters is one thing.

Contacting them on serious issues when they’re a representative in your constituency and receiving absolutely no response is unacceptable in my book.

Agreed

Caranica · 30-01-2020 10:03pm

Remind me wrote: »

Peoples issue is that Chambers voted against holding the referendum then changed his mind while Martin gave a very good speech in the Dail explaining why he has changed his mind and voted for holding it like the others you mentioned.

I will be voting for Chambers but I do think that was a mistake on his part which I am sure he would now acknowledge.

The point is indeed as your first paragraph says. The irony of a democratically elected person trying to deny a democratic vote and then coming and looking for our democratic votes now. Utter hypocrisy!!

I also agree re his lack of engagement though. I'm involved in a couple of local committees and pay a lot of attention to the people who genuinely try to help if we need to approach them. It's why I hold Roderic in such high regard

blanch152 · 31-01-2020 12:23am

Dublin Mum wrote: »

Canvassing and posters is one thing.

Contacting them on serious issues when they’re a representative in your constituency and receiving absolutely no response is unacceptable in my book.

I understand they can only spread themselves so thinly, but failure to acknowledge or respond more than once when contacted over what were in both cases very serious issues won’t ever give him (and others) a preference in this house. PD on the other hand responded and met a group of us the following morning. JB of Labour was the only other local representative to respond, getting MC to contact us over 4 weeks later, by which time PD had already made massive headway in escalating the issue to the relevant departments and organisations.

You elect councillors to look after local issues.

You elect TDs to legislate in the Dail.

ArmaniJeanss · 31-01-2020 12:35am

Dublin Mum wrote: »

Beyond number 1 I’m undecided. Was originally going to give RC number 2 but as others have said she has nothing new or positive to offer and I’m afraid of PD losing out on transfers. I don’t think I’m going to vote beyond my first preference.

For what it's worth your number 2 vote can't affect your number 1 vote.
You seem to be worried that PD could lose out on transfers if you give your number 2 to RC. But your number 2 vote will only ever be counted when your number 1 is either eliminated or elected.

Also as a general point, in a 4 seater constituency you should really be casting at least 4 preferences. It's obviously unlikely that anyone's 4 preferences will win, but you might as well have a horse in every race. 4 are going to be elected regardless, so you should give yourself a say.

Larbre34 · 31-01-2020 12:37am

blanch152 wrote: »

You elect councillors to look after local issues.

You elect TDs to legislate in the Dail.

We all know the lack of a list system, or even a hybrid, in Ireland means that we elect Councillors to look after local issues and elect TDs to look after their seats.

Remind me · 31-01-2020 2:06am

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

For what it's worth your number 2 vote can't affect your number 1 vote.
You seem to be worried that PD could lose out on transfers if you give your number 2 to RC. But your number 2 vote will only ever be counted when your number 1 is either eliminated or elected.

Also as a general point, in a 4 seater constituency you should really be casting at least 4 preferences. It's obviously unlikely that anyone's 4 preferences will win, but you might as well have a horse in every race. 4 are going to be elected regardless, so you should give yourself a say.

Why give a preference for someone you don’t want to see in the Dail?

I’ll be going 1&2 at a push 3. I don’t want to see certain candidates in the Dail so they won’t be getting any preference from me.

Dublin Mum · 31-01-2020 10:38am

blanch152 wrote: »

You elect councillors to look after local issues.

You elect TDs to legislate in the Dail.

Of course, I understand that. However I do expect my TD to represent broader issues that are important to and affect me in the Dail. Votes must be earned.

Dublin Mum · 31-01-2020 10:42am

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

For what it's worth your number 2 vote can't affect your number 1 vote.
You seem to be worried that PD could lose out on transfers if you give your number 2 to RC. But your number 2 vote will only ever be counted when your number 1 is either eliminated or elected.

Also as a general point, in a 4 seater constituency you should really be casting at least 4 preferences. It's obviously unlikely that anyone's 4 preferences will win, but you might as well have a horse in every race. 4 are going to be elected regardless, so you should give yourself a say.

I know how the system works. That’s my point, I don’t want RC (or any of the other candidates) to get a seat.

Dublin Mum · 31-01-2020 10:42am

blanch152 wrote: »

You elect councillors to look after local issues.

You elect TDs to legislate in the Dail.

Of course, I understand that. However I do expect my TD to represent broader issues that are important to and affect me in the Dail. Votes must be earned.

AlanG · 31-01-2020 10:56am

Remind me wrote: »

Why give a preference for someone you don’t want to see in the Dail?

I’ll be going 1&2 at a push 3. I don’t want to see certain candidates in the Dail so they won’t be getting any preference from me.

If you don't use your preferences you are allowing other people make decisions for you. It is best to think and vote right down through the candidates if you have any opinion at all on them. If you have any preference between those candidates you don't really want to see in the Dail you should make a decision.

Remind me · 31-01-2020 4:37pm

AlanG wrote: »

If you don't use your preferences you are allowing other people make decisions for you. It is best to think and vote right down through the candidates if you have any opinion at all on them. If you have any preference between those candidates you don't really want to see in the Dail you should make a decision.

Disagree.

If I give someone a preference that I do not want to see in the Dail when other candidates are elected or eliminated the preference I have given all of a sudden is giving that candidate I do not want No. 1.

If you do not give them anything there is no chance you have supported them, if other people give them preferences or No 1 that’s their choice.

Former Former · 31-01-2020 4:46pm

Remind me wrote: »

Disagree.

If I give someone a preference that I do not want to see in the Dail when other candidates are elected or eliminated the preference I have given all of a sudden is giving that candidate I do not want No. 1.

If you do not give them anything there is no chance you have supported them, if other people give them preferences or No 1 that’s their choice.

If you're that worried about a given candidate getting elected, then give your lower preferences to their likely rivals

A Knight of Ireland · 31-01-2020 4:56pm

Poor aul Ruth is throwing the kitchen sink at it. She has a massive poster on the rails at the bottom of Roselawn Road. Its at eye level and very distracting as you drive by. Actually you wouldnt see chilldren behind the poster which is extremely dangerous

blanch152 · 31-01-2020 5:06pm

Remind me wrote: »

Disagree.

If I give someone a preference that I do not want to see in the Dail when other candidates are elected or eliminated the preference I have given all of a sudden is giving that candidate I do not want No. 1.

If you do not give them anything there is no chance you have supported them, if other people give them preferences or No 1 that’s their choice.

That assumes you hate them all equally.

Say you really want Paul Donnelly to be elected, but you really hate Jack Chambers. Well then, you vote 1 for Donnelly and all the way down the list to Chambers at the bottom.

So say, Donnelly doesn't get enough votes and gets eliminated on the seventh count. Chambers is in a fight for the last seat with Coppinger. All of Donnelly's number 2s are counted and distributed to Chambers and Coppinger. If you dislike Coppinger but hate Chambers, a number 2 to Coppinger will help her against Chambers.

blanch152 · 31-01-2020 5:07pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

Poor aul Ruth is throwing the kitchen sink at it. She has a massive poster on the rails at the bottom of Roselawn Road. Its at eye level and very distracting as you drive by. Actually you wouldnt see chilldren behind the poster which is extremely dangerous

It is illegal to put posters where they might distract drivers or obstruct their view.

Nijmegen · 31-01-2020 5:17pm

I saw one as I was driving by that said something to the effect that "We'd be worse off without a women's and workers voice in the Dail"... The monopolisation of those two groups by one sanctimonious political group is a little offputting!

I see over in Paul Murphy's constituency his old pals are running a candidate against him. "Left solidarity" and all that.

LoonyLovegood · 31-01-2020 5:39pm

She's throwing everything at it, I was at the shops in Laurel Lodge at lunchtime, there were seven people with a stall giving out leaflets. As I was leaving, another three were turning up to join them. They wouldn't take no for an answer when I said I didn't want a leaflet, I mean come on, rule one of canvassing.

AlanG · 31-01-2020 5:45pm

Remind me wrote: »

Disagree.

If I give someone a preference that I do not want to see in the Dail when other candidates are elected or eliminated the preference I have given all of a sudden is giving that candidate I do not want No. 1.

If you do not give them anything there is no chance you have supported them, if other people give them preferences or No 1 that’s their choice.

It's a complex system, especially with the distribution of excesses but if you don't put in enough preferences there is a chance your vote wont make any difference - a much smaller but similar effect to those who don't vote because they think "all politicians are a shower of wasters" perhaps they are but some are bigger wasters than others.

The order of eliminations can have a massive impact on outcomes and often these come down to a handful of low preference transfers.

angel eyes 2012 · 31-01-2020 10:06pm

blanch152 wrote: »

That assumes you hate them all equally.

Say you really want Paul Donnelly to be elected, but you really hate Jack Chambers. Well then, you vote 1 for Donnelly and all the way down the list to Chambers at the bottom.

So say, Donnelly doesn't get enough votes and gets eliminated on the seventh count. Chambers is in a fight for the last seat with Coppinger. All of Donnelly's number 2s are counted and distributed to Chambers and Coppinger. If you dislike Coppinger but hate Chambers, a number 2 to Coppinger will help her against Chambers.

Thanks for the tips on strategy. I really dislike Jack Chambers, more than Coppinger, and will vote this way. I really can't stand Aontu/Renua lite either. It really boils down to who you dislike the most.

Zaph · 31-01-2020 10:12pm

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

It really boils down to who you dislike the most.

Unfortunately that's what's dictating how most of my preferences will go this time round. I really don't want Peter Casey or the Aontu guy anywhere near the business end of the count, which means I'll have to give preferences to people like Coppinger, who I would never have voted for in the past.

Caranica · 31-01-2020 10:31pm

Aontú were outside Tesco in Roselawn tonight but no sign of the candidate himself. Two of their people tried to tell me how great he is. Failed miserably, I'm way too liberal to entertain such crazy conservatives.

angel eyes 2012 · 31-01-2020 10:32pm

Zaph wrote: »

Unfortunately that's what's dictating how most of my preferences will go this time round. I really don't want Peter Casey or the Aontu guy anywhere near the business end of the count, which means I'll have to give preferences to people like Coppinger, who I would never have voted for in the past.

I don't think Peter Casey will have a hope in Dublin West. I actually threw him a high preference in the Presidential Election for the laugh but this is serious business. It's essentially Chambers, Varadkar and then a fight for last two seats.

Zaph · 31-01-2020 10:44pm

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

I don't think Peter Casey will have a hope in Dublin West. I actually threw him a high preference in the Presidential Election for the laugh but this is serious business. It's essentially Chambers, Varadkar and then a fight for last two seats.

I agree, he doesn't stand a chance of winning a seat, but the more votes he gets the more he'll feel it legitimises his own particular brand of bullsh*t. I'll really only be happy if he's utterly humiliated and picks up no more than a couple of hundred votes.

Zaph · 31-01-2020 10:48pm

LoonyLovegood wrote: »

She's throwing everything at it, I was at the shops in Laurel Lodge at lunchtime, there were seven people with a stall giving out leaflets. As I was leaving, another three were turning up to join them. They wouldn't take no for an answer when I said I didn't want a leaflet, I mean come on, rule one of canvassing.

I had SF on the doorstep during the week. I told them I wasn't interested and that should have been the end of it. The woman wasn't taking no for an answer and if she'd been any more pushy I would have had to slam the door in her face to get rid of her. Take a fcuking hint, you're not getting a vote from me (not even to keep Casey out), so go away and bother someone else.

StoptheClocks · 31-01-2020 11:06pm

Caranica wrote: »

Aontú were outside Tesco in Roselawn tonight but no sign of the candidate himself. Two of their people tried to tell me how great he is. Failed miserably, I'm way too liberal to entertain such crazy conservatives.

He has 2 posters per lamppost on the N3 beside the parkway train station. I can't trust someone with public money that does that. What a waste

Caranica · 31-01-2020 11:55pm

StoptheClocks wrote: »

He has 2 posters per lamppost on the N3 beside the parkway train station. I can't trust someone with public money that does that. What a waste

Don't think he's ever been trusted with public money. Was he even a Councillor in his FF days?

avalidusername · 01-02-2020 4:11am

Disclaimer - I know 3 of the candidates from school but have no allegiance to any party. Leo and Emer Currie were 2 years ahead of me and Roderic O'Gorman was 1 year below my year.

Going by whichcandidate.ie it's a toss-up between EC/LV once, and JC/JB another time, with the others a hodge podge battling for transfers. I'd rather have a look through their manifestos and choose myself.

For one I won't be voting Coppinger, I've seen too many "A Vote For Women" type posters to make it clear she's only interested in representing 50% of the population.

I've heard from plenty of locals that Paul Donnelly is a very good man in the area, very active community man. I'd vote for him but not the party he represents.

Chambers will always have the Castleknock vote out of loyalty to his uncle Brian Lenihan. Despite him being a professional student turned politician who has literally never worked an honest days work in his life.

The thing that galls me is the figures every party throws out about how many new houses/apartments they're going to build.

Questions to ask your door knocker/candidate;

~Who is going to pay for these new houses?

~Are you going to increase my tax to cover the cost of these houses or will the magic f#cking money tree build them?

~Where are you gonna build these thousands of houses when NIMBYism is everywhere in Ireland?

~Why are foreign (non EU) corporations allowed buy up houses to rent, inflating the rental market. Other countries have laws regarding who can purchase property. What is your party position on banning non-Irish citizens or corporations from owning 10+ individual properties or properties with a combined value of €5m+ from harvesting our houses?

Polar101 · 01-02-2020 7:09pm

Based on the number of posters around the area, I'd estimate Coppinger, Donnelly and Chambers have spent around 200 billion euro on posters between them. I hope the results will be more interesting than those three + Leo winning seats.

Toto Wolfcastle · 01-02-2020 8:39pm

Donnelly and McManus had people out putting up posters this morning. McManus now has three on one pole on Ongar Road. What an absolute waste.

hotmail.com · 01-02-2020 11:53pm

With the current polling, it seems inevitable that Paul Donnelly will get elected at the expense of Ruth Coppinger.

Polar101 · 02-02-2020 6:18pm

Well, it's going to be Leo, Chambers, and probably Donnelly. But Coppinger could get the 4th seat over O'Gorman.

Got a huge Coppinger "Poll Warning, women and workers are losing out without Ruth" poster near my home now, a complete overkill.

Rosser · 02-02-2020 7:23pm

This election is all over the place, three weeks ago the Greens were on the crest of a wave and Roderic was a shoe in. The Greens aren’t top of my list but this fella has been grafting for years, seems to be a decent fella and I’d be happy to see him in the Dáil

StoptheClocks · 02-02-2020 7:57pm

Rosser wrote: »

This election is all over the place, three weeks ago the Greens were on the crest of a wave and Roderic was a shoe in. The Greens aren’t top of my list but this fella has been grafting for years, seems to be a decent fella and I’d be happy to see him in the Dáil

Totally agree with this. Saw him out knocking on doors Friday night.
I've always found him to be the most active and informative politician in the area.
Most of them only pop up at election time.

Zaph · 02-02-2020 8:04pm

Polar101 wrote: »

Well, it's going to be Leo, Chambers, and probably Donnelly. But Coppinger could get the 4th seat over O'Gorman.

Got a huge Coppinger "Poll Warning, women and workers are losing out without Ruth" poster near my home now, a complete overkill.

The Irish Times analysis o the constituency yesterday had it Leo, Chambers, Roderic and Joan Burton taking the fourth seat. Their logic was that Coppinger and Donnelly would take votes from each other, which would allow Burton to sneak in under the radar. It's not impossible, although I still think the last seat is between Coppinger and Donnelly myself.

hotmail.com · 02-02-2020 10:14pm

Zaph wrote: »

The Irish Times analysis o the constituency yesterday had it Leo, Chambers, Roderic and Joan Burton taking the fourth seat. Their logic was that Coppinger and Donnelly would take votes from each other, which would allow Burton to sneak in under the radar. It's not impossible, although I still think the last seat is between Coppinger and Donnelly myself.

With the surge of Sinn Fein , it means that Donnelly may end up in 2nd or 3rd in the constituency. O'Gorman, Coppinger and Burton will fight it out for the 4th seat.

jd1983 · 02-02-2020 10:16pm

avalidusername wrote: »

Questions to ask your door knocker/candidate;

~Who is going to pay for these new houses?

~Are you going to increase my tax to cover the cost of these houses or will the magic f#cking money tree build them?

~Where are you gonna build these thousands of houses when NIMBYism is everywhere in Ireland?

~Why are foreign (non EU) corporations allowed buy up houses to rent, inflating the rental market. Other countries have laws regarding who can purchase property. What is your party position on banning non-Irish citizens or corporations from owning 10+ individual properties or properties with a combined value of €5m+ from harvesting our houses?

I'm not running in the election but I'll have a stab at these questions:

~ the rent that social houses take in will pay for these houses overt the long term

~ a low interest loan could be used to pay for these socials houses, as they're a shrewd investment that will bring income in the local authority meaning the local authority could theoretically be more self sufficient as less reliant on your taxes. Alternatively, if the government continues squandering ~500mln per year on HAP payments and nearly 100mln per year on hotel rooms for homeless then this will come directly from your taxes. Ultimately this tax money will end up in the bank accounts of landlords and hoteliers, a sizable amount of the tax take will be transferred overseas without any circulatory economic benefits.

~ I'd hope a greater proportion of the housing would be built either closer to town or close to high density public transport compared to what we've done in the past. Some former industrial zoned areas near Broomfield train/luas would be an obvious contender.

~ I'd ban non residents from using our property market as a virtual bank account. Our taxes pay for services and planning permission, so it's unfair to use our property market as a nest egg.

Hurrache · 02-02-2020 10:34pm

jd1983 wrote: »

~ I'd ban non residents from using our property market as a virtual bank account. Our taxes pay for services and planning permission, so it's unfair to use our property market as a nest egg.

A lot of our pensions invest in similar funds, both home and abroad. It can't be done.

jd1983 · 02-02-2020 10:41pm

Hurrache wrote: »

A lot of our pensions invest in similar funds, both home and abroad. It can't be done.

I wouldn't ban it retrospectively, that would be too messy. I'd ban it though for any future property sales.

Former Former · 03-02-2020 12:37am

jd1983 wrote: »

~ the rent that social houses take in will pay for these houses overt the long term

This is absolute fantasy.

jd1983 wrote: »

~ I'd ban non residents from using our property market as a virtual bank account. Our taxes pay for services and planning permission, so it's unfair to use our property market as a nest egg.

This would be highly illegal.

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