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Arcade & Retro Repairs & Mods, all new recipe, with no added MSG...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Are you gonna do the full cap kit then, or just the sound board? I had a problem with a sound board that the fluid had eaten away traces, and even after the cap was replaced, because a trace was gone there was still no sound. I had to bypass the trace altogether to restore sound.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Sounds complicated! I seen you can buy entire sound boards on ebay? The sound does work, through ear phones only though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    keithgeo wrote: »
    Sounds complicated! I seen you can buy entire sound boards on ebay? The sound does work, through ear phones only though.

    Ah the traces should be fine if the headphone is still working, so try the repair, & if all else fails just buy the new board.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Far from complicated to bypass the trace, I just got the schematics for the chip and figured out what needed to go where. After checking the sound amp with a multimeter, I seen it wasn't getting a voltage. Checked the trace, no continuity. So bypassed it with a small piece of wire & brought voltage to the chip this way. Sound was then perfect

    5caplz.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    keithgeo wrote: »
    The sound does work, through ear phones only though.

    That's widly regarded as step 1 in the Gamegear's inevitable road to death. First only sound through the ear phones, then the sound in the ear phones starts to go...and while that's happening the screen gets harder and harder to see.

    I got one on ebay that was in the condition yours is and within a week all of the above had happened!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Ok chaps, this will be brief as I already detailed the 1200 cap replacement earlier in the thread. I just wanted to show this one as it had a slight difference to the last one, in that one cap had signs of leakage & sure enough when removed the solder pad came with it.

    You can see it here, it should be a nice silver colour, but the electrolytic fluid has seeped out & eaten into the solder.

    2a4vjti.jpg

    When the cap was removed, it ook the solder pad with it :( This means there's nothing to solder the new cap to & there will be a broken circuit (the Amiga more than likely wouldn't work properly, if at all).

    2dmgpyx.jpg

    Luckily, I was able to source some schematics, which showed me where the now gone pad was also connected to. This meant I could bypass the missing pad, & bring current to the cap by means of another method. Lucky escape that one!

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    Moment of truth, thank god :cool:

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    A game running from the internal CF drive

    rm20x1.jpg

    Now, when Andrew got this Amiga, the previous owner had modified an ATX power connector into it in order to power an external drive. The trouble was he didn't seem to care about routing it properly, & it was left dangling out of the case with no proper exit (which meant the case cas screwed tight, over the cable). Tbh it looked like @rse, & I couldn't hand it back like that.

    So I found a better path for the cable inside the Amiga, & a proper exit for it. This means it can hide away when not in use, & simply popped out when needed. This way however took up most of the lenght of the cable, meaning you'll need to pop on a little ATX adapter when you want to use it. I've loads spare anyway I can give to you, it's just like a little extension piece.

    292205f.jpg

    And hidden away (poor lighting)

    2j1sl6s.jpg

    So there you go, another Amiga given a new lease of life. A real labour of love working on these things, giving them back is tough! Now, a one two Uniflu for me as I'm stricken down with nasty flu bug dudes :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Just goes to show, a preemptive cap change really can be a good idea even if you don't have any symptoms.

    Looks like you just about caught that one! Is it much hassle to clean up that electrolytic fluid?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Just goes to show, a preemptive cap change really can be a good idea even if you don't have any symptoms.

    Looks like you just about caught that one! Is it much hassle to clean up that electrolytic fluid?

    Not really, as it was all stuck to the pad (luckily, in a weird way). It simply meant I was left with a void on the motherboard, & only 1 solder point instead of two. Was a real "oh god no, no!" moment. Finding the common point was a godsend!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    :eek: :eek: reading that!
    Massive thanks EnterNow. Maybe a question for tomorrow but can this cap change be done for the 500 & 600 models too? Might have to send them for servicing too. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Andrew76 wrote: »
    :eek: :eek: reading that!
    Massive thanks EnterNow. Maybe a question for tomorrow but can this cap change be done for the 500 & 600 models too? Might have to send them for servicing too. ;)

    Yep I've already asked CosMos about the 600 kits, I presume he does the 500's too. Yeah if you wanna drop them out while collecting your other stuff that's no probs :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    Erm i had said before look for discolourment/residue on cap legs..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Erm i had said before look for discolourment/residue on cap legs..

    And in the case it's present, how do you get the cap up without lifting the pad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    You can twist them off with pliers,clean and effective

    *now hit that thanks button.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    You can twist them off with pliers,clean and effective

    *now hit that thanks button.

    But you still have to remove the corroded solder surely, or else when soldering in the new cap the corroded solder will still be in place & will continue to eat away?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    Yes of course do the clean down and removal and renewal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Yes of course do the clean down and removal and renewal.

    But the way this solder was, it was very weak & looked like it was waiting to fall off. Like one I seen on a GG, where the whole cap practically fell off, taking the pad with it. It's like the cap gets bonded to the pad, & the pad then becomes the weak point.

    So if I managed to twist off the capm & the pad did indeed remain but was weak...is there a way to clean it up & remove the solder without stressing the pad any more?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    So if I managed to twist off the capm & the pad did indeed remain but was weak...is there a way to clean it up & remove the solder without stressing the pad any more?

    Just renew it that's all i say,as someone made a good point elseware,they are less delicate than repairing something like wafer thin like mobile phone.

    Heres how one guy did caps- http://amiga.serveftp.net/Replace_capacitor.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Just renew it that's all i say,as someone made a good point elseware,they are less delicate than repairing something like wafer thin like mobile phone.

    Heres how one guy did caps- http://amiga.serveftp.net/Replace_capacitor.html

    So by renew, is that just apply some new solder straight into the older stuff? I guess it would definately strenghten things, is the corrosion then not a concern once I do that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    So by renew, is that just apply some new solder straight into the older stuff? I guess it would definately strenghten things, is the corrosion then not a concern once I do that?

    Everyone has their own methods,would be best of course to remove the old soaked solder,stick to what you believe in to the best of your knowledge,surely you would threat it like another game gear job :).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Everyone has their own methods,would be best of course to remove the old soaked solder,stick to what you believe in to the best of your knowledge,surely you would threat it like another game gear job :).

    Well in both cases, the pads lifted. But by what your saying, if I twist off those corroded caps then it leaves the pad in place & I could then just add fresh solder on? I'll certainly try it next time, thanks for your help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Well in both cases, the pads lifted. But by what your saying, if I twist off those corroded caps then it leaves the pad in place & I could then just add fresh solder on? I'll certainly try it next time, thanks for your help.

    its risky doing twist,you could remove more than you think,anyways heres chap doing it on the GG,forward to 4.10-



    Look just stick to your trad method :),dont want you f'ing and blinding if it went balls up :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    I think this might count towards repairing, here we go

    Broken SNES + super glue + body filler + paint =

    DSCN2330jkljk.jpg
    DSCN2331uioi.jpg
    DSCN2332op.jpg

    As you can see there was a lot of damage and discolouration to this snes. A few days of painting and repairing gave me this

    DSCN2347.jpg
    DSCN2348.jpg
    DSCN2351.jpg
    DSCN2352.jpg
    DSCN2353p.jpg
    DSCN2350.jpg

    Not my greatest paint job ever but it will do the job, its a lot better than when i started it. Now to get modding! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭brianon


    Nice work. What kind of paint did you use and how many coats etc... ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Just a bita plastikote, ah i dunno, 4 or 5 coats, light sanding inbetween with clear coat to finish

    Get a good clear coat though, the one i have was **** and it shows


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭weeder


    now thats nice, still a shame anpost ****ed it up on you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    KeithGeo's GameGear innards with minty new caps. The sound board was in a terrible state (as is usual with them) but it's all working now. Trust me Keith, your gonna think "Wtf, he didn't fix anything! The screen is as washed out & blurred as it always was"...but that's how bad they are unfortunately :(

    The other GG is beyond me, I can't see anything wrong with it. I've redone the soldering on it just to be sure, & bypasses a track on the motherboard (like I showed earlier with my old soundboard) but nothings working. It's showing the power on light alright, but no video or sound. This was sold as 'semi-working' wasn't it? I suspect there's other issues with it altogether.

    Anyhow, one sorted, one's a lost cause. Keep the dodgey one for a spare sound board, spare screen etc though.

    34fg0fd.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    Another famous mod*well i hope people heard of it* using leds for backlight-

    http://pipe-organ-wolf.livejournal.com/5865.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Another famous mod*well i hope people heard of it* using leds for backlight-

    http://pipe-organ-wolf.livejournal.com/5865.html

    I did it & posted a pic a while back. It's not worth doing as the led's come in from the sides & is near impossible not to get bright spots on the screen. Stick with the standard cathode is my tip of the day. Yeah the battery will last longer, but the initial lcd tech is so bad that led's only help to show it.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Niceone! The guy who sold me that one said it was working! ah well i dont mind, thanks for doing that! In fairness i probably melted some wires trying to do it myself!
    EnterNow wrote: »
    KeithGeo's GameGear innards with minty new caps. The sound board was in a terrible state (as is usual with them) but it's all working now. Trust me Keith, your gonna think "Wtf, he didn't fix anything! The screen is as washed out & blurred as it always was"...but that's how bad they are unfortunately :(

    The other GG is beyond me, I can't see anything wrong with it. I've redone the soldering on it just to be sure, & bypasses a track on the motherboard (like I showed earlier with my old soundboard) but nothings working. It's showing the power on light alright, but no video or sound. This was sold as 'semi-working' wasn't it? I suspect there's other issues with it altogether.

    Anyhow, one sorted, one's a lost cause. Keep the dodgey one for a spare sound board, spare screen etc though.

    34fg0fd.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭alpahaeagle


    EnterNow Reminds me my order came for the GG so I will drop it down early next week if that OK..Got my Sons christening this Sat :D, so will have to be next week.....Thanks.....Must also see about getting my Spare Machines Modded...:rolleyes::rolleyes::P


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    just a quick one , the master system 2 uses the same powersupply as the megadrive 2 right?
    I'm pretty sure its
    sms I=MD I
    SMS 2=MD 2


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    just a quick one , the master system 2 uses the same powersupply as the megadrive 2 right?
    I'm pretty sure its
    sms I=MD I
    SMS 2=MD 2

    MD2/32x psu are keyed differently,MD 1+MCD 1 psu will fit and work fine on MS II

    *now hit the thanks button.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Which one works on a GameGear? I tried my megadrive 2 one and it doesnt fit in, is it the megadrive 1 that works on it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    keithgeo wrote: »
    Which one works on a GameGear? I tried my megadrive 2 one and it doesnt fit in, is it the megadrive 1 that works on it?

    Yes should be fine :).


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    MD2/32x psu are keyed differently,MD 1+MCD 1 psu will fit and work fine on MS II

    *now hit the thanks button.
    ahh I just got an SMS II , but no power supply.
    Currently have an sms 1 and megadrive 2, and need to test it.
    .so , just to confuse things , I dont have a MD2 power supply, but I do have an SMS 1 psu , which is the same ....right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    i wouldn't try it unless some kind soul locally will give you a lend to test it.

    Just to add there was a debate about the sega psu's here- http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/showthread.php?t=93401


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    I'm going to have a crack at it

    In theory if an SMS 1 PSU will work on a MD1 , and an MD1 PSU will work on an SMS 2 , then an SMS 1 PSU will work on an SMS 2...probably

    its a 9v 500mA ___ PSu , so as long as the SMS1 psu is similar I reckon it'll
    be fine
    - - .


    I've a good chance of not seeing one of these
    mushroom-cloud.jpg.
    ...probably.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    found this comment over on sega8bit (was going to ask over there but for the life of me cant remember my login) so I'd say its ok
    http://shinobiman.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=accessories&thread=7587&page=1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Just make sure the polarity is right, if your changine connectors etc. There's a distinct lack of Mastersystems on Inifdeals....was it you? MS for £5 was well worth it if so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    Did the c64 land on these fair shores yet?.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Did the c64 land on these fair shores yet?.

    The borked one from Infideals? Nah havn't gotten near it yet man, it'll be a bit away, still have a queue of consoles here to mod for the masses. Hopefully I'll get her going & throw up some pics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    The borked one from Infideals? Nah havn't gotten near it yet man, it'll be a bit away, still have a queue of consoles here to mod for the masses. Hopefully I'll get her going & throw up some pics.

    *puts on the polite hat-

    The c64 is well known for the dodgy psu so could be something simple like that,i haven't came across a guide yet of adapting an modern psu to it such the odd design in it,i don't know if you powered it on so will give some links to help on way,sometimes can be a burnt chip-

    About the psu- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28946&sid=e02f55463623bfb791d638557367a5d0

    One of many repair suggestions- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33597&sid=1db439865029175b13b4c506ea9419cd

    Have a nice day :).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    *puts on the polite hat-

    The c64 is well known for the dodgy psu so could be something simple like that,i haven't came across a guide yet of adapting an modern psu to it such the odd design in it,i don't know if you powered it on so will give some links to help on way,sometimes can be a burnt chip-

    About the psu- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28946&sid=e02f55463623bfb791d638557367a5d0

    One of many repair suggestions- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33597&sid=1db439865029175b13b4c506ea9419cd

    Have a nice day :).

    Cheers for the links, they may prove useful. Apparently it's turning on with power led etc, but nothings happening on screen. I know nothing about c64 repairs yet so maybe that's a known issue? I dunno, interesting to have a look at the guts of one & try repair it though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Cheers for the links, they may prove useful. Apparently it's turning on with power led etc, but nothings happening on screen. I know nothing about c64 repairs yet so maybe that's a known issue? I dunno, interesting to have a look at the guts of one & try repair it though.

    Dark screen you mean?- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36742&sid=4b5cabcdf4046716ac5056e99247cd5d


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin



    Very possible man, I should prob test it & say for sure what's up. Does a PSU from the slimmer newer type C64 fit the old brown models?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Very possible man, I should prob test it & say for sure what's up. Does a PSU from the slimmer newer type C64 fit the old brown models?

    Yes according to this- http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=449611&sid=f012a20e5a20599b08ed264b4aaffa49

    http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=420922&sid=e19bbf20b4b76405ea24259c6a39c5ed

    Just to add the newer c64s where called c64c *to save confusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin



    C64c's? Cool, cheers. I might try the psu I have over the weekend & see what happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭yrwhu8jxtni06a




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Just make sure the polarity is right, if your changine connectors etc. There's a distinct lack of Mastersystems on Inifdeals....was it you? MS for £5 was well worth it if so.
    yus ,I got one (the sonic one) , missed out on the Alex kid one though.
    Nabbed a few games as well (master games/world soccer/air rescue), fair play to your man , the quoted postage was what exactly it cost.in other words he wasnt using postage to make a few quid.
    SMS I psu works fine by the way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,885 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    Just picked up an American Panasonic 3DO FZ1 for free. It was bought on eBay a while ago by my brother but he plugged it into an plug adapter and powered it up without a power inverter so it made a "bang" noise according to him and an electrical burning smell.
    So he fried it. :eek:
    I could kill him for doing it but what can ya do.

    My question is can it be saved in any way or do I now have a very retro door stop?



    .


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