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12-11-2019, 21:57   #16
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I don't think Fleming beli3ved it himself.
You had a man who sold his house because it was somewhere around 10m above sea level and thought it was in danger. I wonder did he give it away to the next guy seeing as it was such a lost cause?
Fleming said we will likely see 300 to 400mm rise in levels over to the next 30 years.
That can certainly be Engineered out and is nothing more than what has occurred before for various reasons.
Ironically, we also have towns flooding now due to Environmental bullsh1t.
We have a situation where long maintained rivers are not now getting the maintenance such a dredging due to habitat concerns resulting in reduced flow capacity etc then climate change getting the blame.
It's a tax scam for the most part.
Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does little to address underlying problems
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They build walls each side of the rivers and then put buildings a few feet away sure where else can the river go but up and over...what do they expect
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Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.
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Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does little to address underlying problems
Plus its natural for rivers to flood and to change course. As you said building on wetlands is causing more issues but its also pushing up premiums and putting extra pressure on emergency services who have to go out and help these twats who build in known flood areas. Water is one of the most destructive forces on earth is eat away mountains etc and people are trying to control its flow. We all know who will win in the end
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Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol
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Actually when you destroy wetlands and build on floodplains you get far more flooding and that is the cause of many issues around the country - notably the Shannon. Dredging is an expensive, ineffective and destructive response to these issues and does
We have situations now where drainage maintenance that was continually carried out for decades by public works is now not getting done primarily due to Environmental red tape with the result being poorer capacity in those systems leading to flooding. It's a simple fact and no amount of arguing that the bad men built in the wrong place will get around that.
The maintenance I mention was not aggressive drainage that would destroy anything, much of it is cleaning of manmade culverts that served a very specific purpose and was required to keep water levels at a controlled level. My point is that the environmental red tape is stopping this type of work, meaning levels rise and flooding occurs. Of course when flooding does occur, the hippy types then point to that very occurance as proof of climate change. This results in even more environmental regulation and the whole thing rapidly heads towards disaster.
I firmly believe that the local people should have far more input into these type of issues and perhaps things might not look quite so bad if they did.
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Fleming said we will likely see 300 to 400mm rise in levels over to the next 30 years.
That's 10 to 13 mm per annum (that's about 1/2" per annum in old money). The real world trend is round about 30 mm (1.2") per decade and it has been in that ballpark for a long time, even the most recent studies only report either 1.7 ± 0.3 mm or 1.9 ± 0.3 mm per annum sea level rise. Good luck finding reliable data, you may as well be pulling numbers out of your ar** computer models.
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We have situations now where drainage maintenance that was continually carried out for decades by public works is now not getting done primarily due to Environmental red tape with the result being poorer capacity in those systems leading to flooding. It's a simple fact and no amount of arguing that the bad men built in the wrong place will get around that.
The maintenance I mention was not aggressive drainage that would destroy anything, much of it is cleaning of manmade culverts that served a very specific purpose and was required to keep water levels at a controlled level. My point is that the environmental red tape is stopping this type of work, meaning levels rise and flooding occurs. Of course when flooding does occur, the hippy types then point to that very occurance as proof of climate change. This results in even more environmental regulation and the whole thing rapidly heads towards disaster.
I firmly believe that the local people should have far more input into these type of issues and perhaps things might not look quite so bad if they did.
If only that was the case - sadly the example of what happened to the Newport river in Tipperary earlier this year illustrates the problem and was publicized with photos on various FB pages including Old Shannon River. OPW went in with heavy machinery and destroyed all the natural vegetation on a salmonoid river that was meant to be a SAC - no statement of works etc. that should have been required under national or EU law was adhered to. The net result was when a heavy rain event occurred in March, huge chunks of river bank collapsed into the river and ended up partially blocking a bridge further downstream. The water quality in the river was hard hit too due to the increase in silt and other contaminants entering river since the natural vegetation that would have filtered it and cleaned it was destroyed along a 5k section of the river - this will obviously increase siltation in the river in the medium to long term making flooding issues even worse, in the same way BNM operations in raised bogs along the Shannon have. My advice for anyone who cares for their local waterways would be to keep the OPW and Waterways Ireland well away from them!!
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I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?
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I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?
I always trust your opinion on this forum, always the voice of reason but have you any links to explain the artic/Greenland ice melt or lack there off?
I'm not doubting you but all mainstream media is saying the opposite.
I'd be interested in seeing the data for myself.
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Well, you can see how much resistance there is to this concern - see above.

A very steep hill has to be climbed yet - this IS serious and it IS happening: but surrendering the indolent comforts we have become used to will take some doing.

Cork and Clonmel regularly flood anyway: parts of Dublin, too: a good old heavy rainstorm and a flood tide will demonstrate better than Gerry just how big a difference a small rise in sea level will make.

Denial is hard to tackle because denying is much more comfortable than believing: but watch this space.
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I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?

Can you back this up please? There was a very good documentary last night from Greenland , local commercial fishermen interviewed. There was clearly no ice or snow right now, in November , where previously seas would have been frozen. Sledge dogs tied up as no snow for sledge transport , halibut fish weighing only 3kg now where a decade ago they weighed 10 kg, this is due to lack of natural food as marine species are dying off .

I don’t believe this is all guff or a scam . I don’t believe we should bury our heads in the sand ! Yes RTÉ coverage is OTT but change is happening. It may not affect us but it will certainly affect our kids and grandkids and that worries me .
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I didn't see the program myself - I was too busy pumping CO2 into the atmosphere flying home from Germany tonight - but I did see the promos over the past week or two and it was laughable. O'Connell Bridge knee-deep in water and talk of an 8-degree colder climate if the Gulf Stream cuts off. And this in only 30 years? Absolute nonsense, and more evidence that RTÉ is gone tabloid in in the race to the bottom in a desperate attempt to gain viewers and justify its existence. Funny how this Climate Week comes just as there's talk of all the job losses and need for licence reforms.

The Arctic hasn't lost any ice in over a decade, Greenland's melt has pretty much leveled off. Yet we have GF talking of 300-400 mm of sea-level rise in 3 decades? Surely he didn't say that?
RTE this week has just about topped North Korea in state sponsored propeganda.
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RTE is spending its money on tabloid style TV programmes in a bid to desperately increase viewer ratings. The stuff they are producing is truely worthy of a whole raft of Saturn Awards. Alongside the doomsday buses drowning on O'Connell Bridge and amongst other things we are also supposed to now take dietary advice from extremist plant food activists such as Dr Marco Springmann in their other recent screamers piece on planetary destruction - "What Planet are you on". The same show where participants get paid for their 'wokeness'. You couldnt make it up - except they do ....



I believe Al Gore came out with similar bs doomsday alarmism over a decade ago



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...-Untruths.html

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It may not affect us but it will certainly affect our kids and grandkids and that worries me .
Why does it worry you? Assuming that omnipotent climate scientists are correct, in what way would a warmer Ireland be detrimental to future generations? Weather events in general were far more extreme in this country during the relatively cool climate period between about 1950 & 2000 than they tend to be in today's warmer and more benign period.

Thankfully, I did not watch that program because I tend to avoid RTE these days. Only so much grossly overpaid, nasally D4 establishment sycophants my brain can tolerate.
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