A slice of ham in the school lunch box, is like sending them to school with 5 fags

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Are you trying to say a vegan diet is an evolved diet?

The main thing about that diet that in the event of any type of catastrophe, is that they will likely be the first to starve given the absolute dependence on cheap imported foods (often produced with few if any ethical or environmental standards) 'Evolved' my rear end.

Still waters wrote: »

From reading this thread it just looks like the farmers on here need to get over yourselves, Leo saying he's going to try and limit his consumption of red meat or vegan billboards isn't going to affect the normal Joe soap, people will continue to eat meat, a very tiny minority of vegetarians won't influence meat consumption and never will, maybe if farmers groups and their representatives put their energy into getting fairer deals from the factories and stopping supermarkets selling farmers produce below cost as loss leaders instead of picking battles with the few hundred vegans in the country they'd be better off, but it suits the the ifa and the politicians in their pockets to have the spotlight off the real agendas affecting the farming community

I think the biggest risk is that by beef production being consistently attacked the public opinion is eventually eroded.

We all know that politicians are fickle shallow decision makers and we have little to no representation at a governmental level.

When the joe public already accept beef farming as a “problem” then lazy politics will scapegoat it for carbon emissions rather than say airline travel because it will be an easier sell to punters. Levi those pesky farmers rather than their €10 trip across Europe in a jetliner.

We have to watch the long game here, the public are slowly and surely being turned against farming, the people who produce the food that’s eaten. All too many vested interests are quite happy with that.

_Brian wrote: »

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We have to watch the long game here, the public are slowly and surely being turned against farming, the people who produce the food that’s eaten. All too many vested interests are quite happy with that.

I think you are right there. The now discredited 'EAT' 'planetary health diet' (sic) showed the huge amount of money, investment and bs propaganda being pushed by the 'plant based' corporate food industry.

That it was given credence and airtime as genuine research is what makes all whole bolloxology all the more amazing.

Imo there needs to be a lot more holding this stuff up to scrutiny and outing it for what it really is.

That doesn't mean we can't also concentrate on continuing to produce high quality locally produced foodstuffs.

bigpink wrote: »

I don’t take either side but I can ask what’s the Irish farming community views on less meat?
Like do they think we all have to change our ways

The first question I would ask is why is there a 'push' for less meat?

And who is asking it?

gozunda wrote: »

_Brian wrote: »

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We have to watch the long game here, the public are slowly and surely being turned against farming, the people who produce the food that’s eaten. All too many vested interests are quite happy with that.

I think you are right there. The now discredited 'EAT' 'planetary health diet' (sic) showed the huge amount of money, investment and bs propaganda being pushed by the 'plant based' corporate food industry.

That it was given credence and airtime as genuine research is what makes all whole bolloxology all the more amazing.

Imo there needs to be a lot more holding this stuff up to scrutiny and outing it for what it really is.

That doesn't mean we can't also concentrate on continuing to produce high quality locally produced foodstuffs.

All research needs to be held up to scrutiny. It's just a pendulum swinging, and meat and dairy producers are on the back foot here. There's been a wall of propoganda to suit their agenda until now.
I would also mention the anti-Northern Irish milk campaign. Yes, they have different standards and that's relevant. But from an economic point of view, those Irish people answer to a different empire than down here. Here, farmers are in thrall to Europe and are the number one 'fumble in the greasy till' merchants in this quasi Republic.
Eating vastly less red meat than we do is proven out in longevity statistics worldwide. Do some research.
This cafuffle is like when Ned O'Keeffe tried to have Babe banned as it would damage pigmeat sales. I wholly agree with ye that this is a propoganda war. But it's always been, ye're just on the receiving end of this debate for once. The Indo is a dirty ragmag and the Examiner is fake news and false leaks. The Irish Times is full of typos.
It's every man (sentient being) for himself!

I was born on a farm. We need to adapt as the EU empire is in charge of your fate now. It's what ye campaigned for, anti-freedom.

An Ri rua wrote: »

All research needs to be held up to scrutiny. It's just a pendulum swinging, and meat and dairy producers are on the back foot here. There's been a wall of propoganda to suit their agenda until now.I would also mention the anti-Northern Irish milk campaign. Yes, they have different standards and that's relevant. But from an economic point of view, those Irish people answer to a different empire than down here. Here, farmers are in thrall to Europe and are the number one 'fumble in the greasy till' merchants in this quasi Republic.Eating vastly less red meat than we do is proven out in longevity statistics worldwide. Do some research.This cafuffle is like when Ned O'Keeffe tried to have Babe banned as it would damage pigmeat sales. I wholly agree with ye that this is a propoganda war. But it's always been, ye're just on the receiving end of this debate for once. The Indo is a dirty ragmag and the Examiner is fake news and false leaks. The Irish Times is full of typos.It's every man (sentient being) for himself!
I was born on a farm. We need to adapt as the EU empire is in charge of your fate now. It's what ye campaigned for, anti-freedom.

The point is that rubbish does not constitute 'reseach'. The proposed 'diet' has been shown not to even meet normal nutritional guidelines. And yet it was held up as gospel. You'd swear from the propaganda everyone is bathing in meat or something. The truth is good quality meat is a recommended part of a healthy diet. Eating ****e highly processed foods whether vegan or otherwise remains the issue with regards to most western diets. That's the issue here and not whether some plant advocate wants to dictate what the rest of us eat or otherwise.

_Brian wrote: »

The threat is people spreading misinformation as fact such as the EAT Lancet report. This report is a sham put out by people on the pockets of big business to direct them to eat specific products.

The only evolution involved is the evolution of the population into a species that have no ability to see when they are being manipulated by big commercial interests.

So in going to quote myself here in an attempt to make a point.

Was flicking through twitter and reading comments abkut the Davos summet and Attenborough and all the leaders flying round the world to talk to each other rather than video confreres with less impact on the environment.



Hope that image loads.

Straight off someone said one cow probably produced more emissions than Attenborough’s flight.

Misinformation is an insidious thing, it slowly propagates itself, the more angles it comes from the more firmly rooted it becomes entrained in society. I see a very concerted effort to tarnish farming and farmers as dirty polluting animal abusers.

In my mind specifically to discredit their voices on food and food production so crackpot reports and commercial entities have free reign over food supply and information.

Chisler2 wrote: »

The small amount of toxic compound has not been deliberately injected into nuts to make them "look nice"!...........nor is it common for folks to engorge large quantities of nuts several times a week throughout the year

...........so false equivalence.

Having a ham sandwich is not quite engorging large quantities.

Chisler2 wrote: »

The small amount of toxic compound has not been deliberately injected into nuts to make them "look nice"!...........nor is it common for folks to engorge large quantities of nuts several times a week throughout the year

...........so false equivalence.

Just for the record I snack on nuts all day at least 5 days a week. Do a lot of people not? The nut section in my local SuperValu seems to have a big throughout of nuts as i’m At the shelf every second day

Anyone that quotes the guardian, a piece of agenda driven tripe should be shot with a ball of ...... well you get the gist.

There are a lot of types now in Ireland that have gotten notions of themselves since the likes of Google, Facebook, Amazon, Salesforce, Pfizer, etc came to town for the cheap taxes.

You have morons from representative bodies even let away with statements on current affairs shows that Brexit will not be that bad for Irish exporters because most of OUR exports are not to Britain.
Of course these people think solely in terms of percentage of total export revenue and that Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc are OURS and not some FDI that could sling it's hook in the morning.

Likewise you have someone equating American feedlot beef production with Irish grass reared beef or come out with carte blanche statements that modern meat products and dairy products are full of drugs.
And they are often given free reign to continually spout this shyte.

Farming and agri industry is seen as old fashioned and not something the Ireland of the hip and trendy want to be associated with.
Hence it is easy for them to believe, without a second thought, the cr** that farm animals are a huge cause of our carbon emissions and thus must be culled so to speak.

These same morons will quite happily gulp down some overpriced super food that was shipped half way across the world or not care that their quinoa is coming from an area which has now a threatened ecologically fragile ecosystem.
Funny how the guardian are quick to argue that soybean farming is not bad for the environment, I wonder has it anything to do with it's tofu chomping writers and readers.
Of course they will argue most of the production goes to feed animals in say Brazil or US, and then they will lambast our grass fed animals.

Chisler2 wrote: »

Nothing in the original research is anti-meat or anti-farmers. The issues surfaced in the research are firstly, that a toxic substance is being deliberately added to healthy produce (ham, bacon) for COSMETIC purposes ("pinkness") and UNETHICAL PROFIT (extended shelf-life).

The reason sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate are added is because of consumers demand. Most consumers when they by a pork product wont buy a discoloured product and will normally pick the one with the longest shelf life.

Simmental. wrote: »

The reason sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate are added is because of consumers demand. Most consumers when they by a pork product wont buy a discoloured product and will normally pick the one with the longest shelf life.

Many years ago when I lived in the Netherlands, we used to go to a butcher just over the border in Belgium who made his own bacon, ham, salami etc. all nitrite free. It looked a quite unappetising grey colour, almost as if it had gone off but tasted just fine.

Is the truely Irish brand still on the go? They did nice rashers and sausages

farawaygrass wrote: »

Is the truely Irish brand still on the go? They did nice rashers and sausages

I regularly buy Truly Irish brand in Dunnes Stores.