Mayweather to fight Tenshin Nasukawa on New Year's Eve in Tokoyo

Outlaw Pete · 05-11-2018 4:44am #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkh6k9IQZg

https://twitter.com/BrMassami/status/1059294232744157185

chopperbyrne · 05-11-2018 10:45am

The most I can see Mayweather accepting in terms of rules is one hand behind the head clinches, but would not be surprised if it ends up being pure boxing rules only.

normanoffside · 05-11-2018 11:11am

What a Joke. This guy is a 120lb fighter?

I am not interested one iota in this. I’d Mayweather wants a comeback he needs to drop this rubbish and come back and challenge one of the WW champions

walshb · 05-11-2018 11:21am

The man just can't go away. Complete conman.

He took ten rds (and struggled in larger parts) against an ex plumber from Crumlin in his last "fight."

Sweet.Science · 05-11-2018 11:22am

This is just weird

He mad 100 mil last year

Why isnt he content ?

Donald Trump · 05-11-2018 12:11pm

Is your man a big name? I wouldn't think he is.

Bit of a strange one. You'd think that if his motive was just to make money, that he'd go with one of those higher profile UFC gobshites. Get a one-off payout and ride off into the sunset

Maybe he think he'll sell it off the back of his own name...and that he'll be able to get the vast bulk of revenue from it.

Would be a bit embarrassing though if he picks a minor name and gets beaten

eddie73 · 05-11-2018 12:19pm

Possibly using this as a stepping stone to an MMA match. Better to go in and get some non boxing experience before he goes straight into the octagon, plus make a small fortune to boot. I cant see him throw too many kicks though

yourdeadwright · 05-11-2018 12:19pm

Is it a straight boxing match ?
Seems crazy why would he bother ,Is it that maybe this as a warm up and then he's going to fight someone big next year ?
I can't think of any other way that this makes sense ,

walshb · 05-11-2018 1:21pm

No matter what it is you can guarantee that all the cards will be stacked in his favor....

And the complete nobody will do as he is told, because that way he gets to make most likely his biggest payday.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2018 2:40pm

Your man looks tiny in the photo of them standing together.

Morrison J · 05-11-2018 3:16pm

I've never heard of him but this guy is a mega star in Japan apparently. Floyd launching his own casino and gym in Tokyo next year. Nothing but a bit of building his brand while getting a serious pay day for doing it. Would imagine Floyd won't be stupid enough to allow any leg kicks etc.

walshb · 05-11-2018 3:33pm

So he's 'Big in Japan.'

miocicmma · 05-11-2018 7:40pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

The most I can see Mayweather accepting in terms of rules is one hand behind the head clinches, but would not be surprised if it ends up being pure boxing rules only.

I agree. I think we are looking at a boxing match here, The may be call something else, but that's essentially what It will be. Floyd is not about to let this kid leg kick him to death inside one round.

miocicmma · 05-11-2018 7:49pm

normanoffside wrote: »

What a Joke. This guy is a 120lb fighter?

I am not interested one iota in this. I’d Mayweather wants a comeback he needs to drop this rubbish and come back and challenge one of the WW champions

Floyd is the greatest of all time, but at 41 it's too risky to go in there with young killers like Spence and Crawford. He will beat this kid in a boxing bout because, like McGregor, this kid can't box.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2018 7:50pm

miocicmma wrote: »

I agree. I think we are looking at a boxing match here, The may be call something else, but that's essentially what It will be. Floyd is not about to let this kid leg kick him to death inside one round.

Next year he can fight that mouthy Australian snooker player that one of the Dublin footballers beat in some mickey mouse show (in the stadium?) a few years ago :pac:

miocicmma · 05-11-2018 7:52pm

walshb wrote: »

The man just can't go away. Complete conman.

He took ten rds (and struggled in larger parts) against an ex plumber from Crumlin in his last "fight."

Seriously? He carried McGregor to the 10th, Could have finished him anytime he wanted.

miocicmma · 05-11-2018 8:00pm

eddie73 wrote: »

Possibly using this as a stepping stone to an MMA match. Better to go in and get some non boxing experience before he goes straight into the octagon, plus make a small fortune to boot. I cant see him throw too many kicks though

He won't take any kicks either. Floyd will set the rules to suit himself

miocicmma · 05-11-2018 8:04pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is it a straight boxing match ?
Seems crazy why would he bother ,Is it that maybe this as a warm up and then he's going to fight someone big next year ?
I can't think of any other way that this makes sense ,

I'd say boxing too. There is now way Floyd will allow kicks, knees, elbows takedowns, submissions etc

eddie73 · 05-11-2018 8:22pm

miocicmma wrote: »

He won't take any kicks either. Floyd will set the rules to suit himself

Lets wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if he allows kicks. Like I said, it could be a warm up for an MMA match. But I cant see him fight a title contender in MMA. More like a 40 something fighter who will not be as dangerous as a younger man.

Morrison J · 05-11-2018 9:25pm

miocicmma wrote: »

Floyd is the greatest of all time, but at 41 it's too risky to go in there with young killers like Spence and Crawford. He will beat this kid in a boxing bout because, like McGregor, this kid can't box.

Do people really believe this?

megadodge · 05-11-2018 11:09pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Do people really believe this?

Unfortunately, there are those who believe whatever the latest celebrity tells them.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2018 11:15pm

Morrison J wrote: »

miocicmma wrote: »

Floyd is the greatest of all time, but at 41 it's too risky to go in there with young killers like Spence and Crawford. He will beat this kid in a boxing bout because, like McGregor, this kid can't box.

Do people really believe this?

Ah he possibly is the greatest of all time.

Not the greatest boxer mind, and I won't say what he is the greatest at. But you can make that bit up yourselves.

miocicmma · 06-11-2018 1:27am

eddie73 wrote: »

Lets wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if he allows kicks. Like I said, it could be a warm up for an MMA match. But I cant see him fight a title contender in MMA. More like a 40 something fighter who will not be as dangerous as a younger man.

If Nasukawa can leg kick him, He's ****ed inside a round

miocicmma · 06-11-2018 1:28am

Morrison J wrote: »

Do people really believe this?

Name a boxer who could beat him in his prime?

walshb · 06-11-2018 8:46am

Hearns, Leonard and Duran. There’s 3.

Try_harder · 06-11-2018 9:10am

Only Leonard. He would be too fast for Duran and Hearns

walshb · 06-11-2018 9:36am

Try_harder wrote: »

Only Leonard. He would be too fast for Duran and Hearns

Hearns is actually the worst style for him...

Tall, rangy, rapid fast, snappy and heavy handed...

Watch SRL/Hearns 1 to see what type of fighter it takes to beat a WW Hearns..

Floyd is nothing like that fighter. He may survive, but he’d be on his bike all night defending..

normanoffside · 06-11-2018 10:01am

I think a 1970s Duran at lightweight beats him easily.

walshb · 06-11-2018 10:53am

normanoffside wrote: »

I think a 1970s Duran at lightweight beats him easily.

No way easily...

megadodge · 06-11-2018 1:33pm

miocicmma wrote: »

Name a boxer who could beat him in his prime?

P4p Roy Jones clearly beats him. Better in every single area.

I do believe Mayeather is a top 10 p4p fighter though.

walshb · 06-11-2018 3:14pm

megadodge wrote: »

P4p Roy Jones clearly beats him. Better in every single area.

I do believe Mayeather is a top 10 p4p fighter though.

Roy's feet were no way better than Floyd's. Floyd has more versatility in his ring movement.

Roy's D was not as sturdy/reliable/good IMO.

His chin definitely not as sturdy. I think Floyd takes a better flush shot.

I'd give Floyd the advantage in jab....Roy had a a "weak" jab.

Edit: These points all relating to p4p, of course!

Try_harder · 06-11-2018 3:15pm

walshb wrote: »

Hearns is actually the worst style for him...

Tall, rangy, rapid fast, snappy and heavy handed...

Watch SRL/Hearns 1 to see what type of fighter it takes to beat a WW Hearns..

Floyd is nothing like that fighter. He may survive, but hed be on his bike all night defending..

He would be on his bike picking off shots

walshb · 06-11-2018 3:19pm

Try_harder wrote: »

He would be on his bike picking off shots

No...

Because Hearns would not be picked off by those Mayweather single shots.....

Mayweather can't win this by retreating. He stays put and fights/boxes and he is outgunned...

Tommy's too good a boxer, with a 4 inch height advantage and quite a reach advantage.

Hearns' jab alone will win him a lot of this fight. Floyd would have to be even more careful on his defense to avoid Hearns right hands and left hooks through the body.

He's too good a bigger man for Floyd, and as well he wouldn't be facing the type of power and sting that SRL brought...

Morrison J · 06-11-2018 3:28pm

Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh. Chavez' style would give him problems though no doubt.

At welterweight he's a long way off the best. Didn't beat enough top fighters at their peak at that weight to be one of the greats.

All time P4P he's a good bit down the pecking order. Outside the top 20 for sure.

walshb · 06-11-2018 3:49pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh. Chavez' style would give him problems though no doubt.

At welterweight he's a long way off the best. Didn't beat enough top fighters at their peak at that weight to be one of the greats.

All time P4P he's a good bit down the pecking order. Outside the top 20 for sure.

regarding WW

We can only match him with Hearns and SRL at WW....

Floyd had enough fights here to assess him, even if he wasn't the biggest WW. He went to WW in his late 20s...

His peak was 130 - 140.....fights across all three classes.....

Morrison J · 06-11-2018 3:54pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I think a 1970s Duran at lightweight beats him easily.

Yep the first Mayweather v Castillo fight is the simple blueprint as to why Duran would have abused Floyd over 12 rounds.

He did things both offensively and defensively that a defensive wizard like Floyd could never do. He did those things against true elite fighters in their peak over decades, while fighting in weight classes far above his natural weight. His win against a prime Sugar Ray Leonard is the best win ever imo.

There is zero arguement for putting Floyd over Duran in an ATG discussion, literally zero. Duran is the best fighter of the last 50 years for me.

walshb · 06-11-2018 3:59pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh.

Lomachenko?

Morrison J · 06-11-2018 4:41pm

walshb wrote: »

regarding WW

We can only match him with Hearns and SRL at WW....

Floyd had enough fights here to assess him, even if he wasn't the biggest WW. He went to WW in his late 20s...

His peak was 130 - 140.....fights across all three classes.....

I don't think Floyd could beat Hearns. Horrendous style matchup for him. He'd get outworked with the jab all night. Defence was always Hearn's achilles heal but against a significantly smaller guy with very low punch output it'd be pretty easy work for him I think.

Would take Leonard to beat Floyd too. Too good offensively and would be able to jab with Floyd no problem. Oscar won rounds against Floyd and SRL can bring a similar style but do practically everything better than Oscar. SRL way too good of an inside fighter too. Would win clear on points imo.

Whitaker v Floyd is a tough fight for both and a real 50/50 imo. I'd maybe edge to Whitaker given Floyd's struggles with southpaws and Whitaker being by far the better inside fighter but I'd say that with no real confidence.

walshb · 06-11-2018 4:46pm

Morrison J wrote: »

I don't think Floyd could beat Hearns. Horrendous style matchup for him. He'd get outworked with the jab all night. Defence was always Hearn's achilles heal but against a significantly smaller guy with very low punch output it'd be pretty easy work for him I think.

Would take Leonard to beat Floyd too. Too good offensively and would be able to jab with Floyd no problem. Oscar won rounds against Floyd and SRL can bring a similar style but do practically everything better than Oscar. SRL way too good of an inside fighter too. Would win clear on points imo.

Whitaker v Floyd is a tough fight for both and a real 50/50 imo. I'd maybe edge to Whitaker given Floyd's struggles with southpaws and Whitaker being by far the better inside fighter but I'd say that with no real confidence.

Can't argue with any of this...

You'll be happy to hear...

Morrison J · 06-11-2018 4:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Lomachenko?

I'd make Floyd the favourite for sure. Floyd consistently hurt & knocked out world level opponents at 130, 135 & 140. Years of fighting at welterweight with dodgy hands has people forgetting how much he could punch I think. Loma would need a near punch perfect performance to win I think. Couldn't be making the errors he made against Linares for example. Great fight though.

walshb · 06-11-2018 4:52pm

Morrison J wrote: »

I'd make Floyd the favourite for sure. Floyd consistently hurt & knocked out world level opponents at 130, 135 & 140. Years of fighting at welterweight with dodgy hands has people forgetting how much he could punch I think. Loma would need a near punch perfect performance to win I think. Couldn't be making the errors he made against Linares for example. Great fight though.

Agreed. Too sharp, taller, rangier and I can't see how Loma breaks him down. Floyd keeps this mid to long and pecks and pokes all night. Lomachenko gets inside and he hits nothing and is faced with a man who can fight inside.

Floyd's lead right hand could cause Lomachenko issues.

megadodge · 06-11-2018 10:27pm

walshb wrote: »

Roy's feet were no way better than Floyd's. Floyd has more versatility in his ring movement.

Roy's D was not as sturdy/reliable/good IMO.

His chin definitely not as sturdy. I think Floyd takes a better flush shot.

I'd give Floyd the advantage in jab....Roy had a a "weak" jab.

Edit: These points all relating to p4p, of course!

Roy's feet were better than Floyd's, but I'll admit it is close.

Considering you are the very poster that on this site claimed (when trying to denigrate Jones chin) that Jones was never hit flush on the chin during his prime, that's a strange claim to make about defense. While I don't completely agree, the fact that it's hard to remember anyone hitting him clean shows how ridiculously hard Jones was to hit. I've no doubt his defense was better. Did anyone ever land the amount of punches on Jones in his prime that Castillo did on a prime Mayweather?

There was nothing wrong with Jones chin, which was proven by the fact that he was finally KO'd at the age of THIRTY FIVE after FIFTEEN years as a top notch pro. It NEVER takes that long to expose a bad chin - unless of course he had an incredible defense! However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better.

This most laughable thing that Jones non-believers make out to be a weakness is Jones general non-use of the jab. It really is a non-arguement. He simply was so good he didn't have to use it. On the rare occasions he did (Ruiz) it was superb. Jones could land triple and quadruple lead left hooks without getting hit back and people somehow desparately claim he had no jab, therefore wasn't a true great??? Mike Tyson didn't use his jab that often, but when he did it was excellent. Yet I never hear anyone use that as a reason to claim Tyson wasn't great.

The whole non-use of the jab is usually reserved to criticise sluggers. I don't think anyone in their right mind would call Jones a slugger. He had zero problems closing the distance, with his superb feet, judgment of distance and reading of any situation and he was able to land power punches in place of jabs, so why would he hit somebody with lighter punches when he could hit them with harder, more eye-catching punches?

Can you name any other fighter with a "weak" jab that got hit as little and could land at will on all opponents as Jones? He was unique.

walshb · 06-11-2018 10:56pm

Floyd’s chin was better...he took a better shot..

Roy has been iced several times. One punch shots..

So what if he was 35....he still got ktfo..

A lot of other areas we can debate and argue...although I do think Floyd’s feet and ring movement to be superior..

Overall I rate Jones a better all around boxer/fighter...

Edit: I see you have agreed that Floyd’s chin was better...

megadodge · 06-11-2018 11:05pm

walshb wrote: »

Floyd’s chin was better...he took a better shot..

Did you miss the part where I said "However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better"?

I couldn't possibly be any clearer!

And yes, being 35 years of age DOES matter! Funny how you change your tune (by eleven years) when Mike Tyson is being discussed.

walshb · 06-11-2018 11:06pm

megadodge wrote: »

Did you miss the part where I said "However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better"?

I couldn't possibly be any clearer!

And yes, being 35 years of age DOES matter! Funny how you change your tune (by eleven years) when Mike Tyson is being discussed.

Relax...read my post again...I put in an edit just before posting.

Oh, and just to add. Tyson was knocked out in 1990 after a 10 rds steady pasting. Many many heavy shots until final a heavy combination downed him...

Roy has been iced and dropped from one shot(s) on several occasions..

These details are important..

Regarding chin and ability to take an heavy heavy shot, Tyson’s chin was rock solid.

Roy never showed this. Because when he was hit hard and clean (on several occasions) he was knocked out..They were not from steady heavy accumulation and grinding down....

miocicmma · 07-11-2018 12:22am

walshb wrote: »

Hearns, Leonard and Duran. There’s 3.

All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.

walshb · 07-11-2018 1:19am

miocicmma wrote: »

All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.

Yeh.....Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, a stale Mosley, Demarcus Corley, Slugger Maidana to name a few all hit him a fair bit....but Duran, Hearns and SRL?....not a chance for those ATGs...

Boooourns · 07-11-2018 10:35am

miocicmma wrote: »

All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????

super_furry · 07-11-2018 10:38am

Christ, he'll be fighting Jedward next.

stooge · 07-11-2018 10:50am

Morrison J wrote: »

Yep the first Mayweather v Castillo fight is the simple blueprint as to why Duran would have abused Floyd over 12 rounds.

He did things both offensively and defensively that a defensive wizard like Floyd could never do. He did those things against true elite fighters in their peak over decades, while fighting in weight classes far above his natural weight. His win against a prime Sugar Ray Leonard is the best win ever imo.

There is zero arguement for putting Floyd over Duran in an ATG discussion, literally zero. Duran is the best fighter of the last 50 years for me.

Never a truer word spoken. At their peaks Duran beats Floyd all day long.

Donald Trump · 07-11-2018 12:58pm

super_furry wrote: »

Christ, he'll be fighting Jedward next.

So that's why we hadn't heard about them lately. Must be still off at the secret training camp.

I'd pay good money to watch that one!

Mayweather to fight Tenshin Nasukawa on New Year's Eve in Tokoyo

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