Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

H3llR4iser · 15-01-2019 7:27pm

The very first thing that strikes me about that ad is that it looks like a high school class end of the year presentation. The whole thing looks, sounds and feels amateurish, ham fisted and downright cookie cutter; A case study in "this topic is so hot right now, let's do it!".

It could almost be part of a social experiment - one could make a few of these ads, each targeting a specific group (men, women, Muslims, Catholics, LGBT and whatever else) and gauge which ones cause outrage and which ones are more controversial and/or more or less justifiable in the public's eye. I think I know the results of this experiment already, but I'm willing to be surprised.

Calhoun · 15-01-2019 7:46pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

The very first thing that strikes me about that ad is that it looks like a high school class end of the year presentation. The whole thing looks, sounds and feels amateurish, ham fisted and downright cookie cutter; A case study in "this topic is so hot right now, let's do it!".

It could almost be part of a social experiment - one could make a few of these ads, each targeting a specific group (men, women, Muslims, Catholics, LGBT and whatever else) and gauge which ones cause outrage and which ones are more controversial and/or more or less justifiable in the public's eye. I think I know the results of this experiment already, but I'm willing to be surprised.

Well to get a key understanding of what happens now we only have to look at the world of gaming. Allot of developers are substituting decent development of IP and a customer first approach with near yearly reskins of existing IP and a crap ton of micro transactions thrown on top, the only way they have to differentiate in their eyes is by being woke.

The saying is through though, get woke go broke. Case in point is EA who have been putting out fires since Battlefront 2/Andromeda, there most recent title Battlefield 5 they literally told fans that if they didn't like their brand of history (re-writes to put women in the picture) that they shouldn't buy the game.

Guess what happened with battlefield 5? It has had the worst sales of all battlefields in the series and is more than likely in a nose dive as it introduces microtransactions ect.

The joke of it all is these companies don't give a **** about anything but the green and allot of consumers are starting to see them for what they are. Still though there are plenty of soyboys who are still drinking the kool-aid and think something like this is a progressive step.

iptba · 16-01-2019 6:26am

silverharp wrote: »

if i remember i think ill be voiding gillette products

https://twitter.com/Gillette/status/1084850521196900352

I saw this elsewhere:

THIS is how an ad encourages positive masculinity -- by praising the good in men, not by portraying men as mostly a bunch of jerks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jpb2_YdxYM

Plopsu · 16-01-2019 2:54pm

Bwahaha. Instead of posting razors to P&G, people should send them bars of Dove.

terryduff12 · 16-01-2019 9:28pm

iptba wrote: »

I saw this elsewhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jpb2_YdxYM

I was well choked up watching that, That`s how you make a commerical.

iptba · 17-01-2019 10:24pm

Uses the Gillette ad as a starting point, though isn't particularly critical of the ad itself.

Liz Kearney: 'Men and boys are best just as they are'
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/liz-kearney-men-and-boys-are-best-just-as-they-are-37720532.html

There was another article earlier in the week wondering what the fuss was about the ad but I didn't think it was worth posting.

H3llR4iser · 18-01-2019 1:52pm

iptba wrote: »

Uses the Gillette ad as a starting point, though isn't particularly critical of the ad itself.

There was another article earlier in the week wondering what the fuss was about the ad but I didn't think it was worth posting.

That opinion piece can easily be summed up in this specific passage:

I've got sons...[cut]

Take the most hard stance, uncompromisingly irrational feminist, give her a son and see her stance take a steep detour as she figures out it's not exactly a rose garden on the other side of the wall.

Hector Savage · 18-01-2019 4:58pm

More double standards
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46903807

She told Welt how one journalist had asked her whether she warned players to put their pants on when she entered the dressing room.

"Of course not, I'm a professional," she responded, sarcastically. "I pick my players based on their penis size."

Now I realise she is being witty, but from what I understand from this is she just enters the dressing room whenever she wants ...
imagine the uproar if a male manager of a female team did the same ...

Marengo · 18-01-2019 5:01pm

Yes 34 women to 5 men in our work place and we're not let in on most of the work related news, gossip.

Previous job myself and another male were forced by 'tradition' to make tea for 15 ladies every afternoon. I rebelled. No more tea parties in the afternoon, was ostracised!

citytillidie · 18-01-2019 5:11pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

More double standards
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46903807

Now I realise she is being witty, but from what I understand from this is she just enters the dressing room whenever she wants ...
imagine the uproar if a male manager of a female team did the same ...

Nothing new there sure look at American sports with the number of female reporters and cameras in male changing rooms but none allowed in female ones

iptba · 18-01-2019 7:10pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

That opinion piece can easily be summed up in this specific passage:

Take the most hard stance, uncompromisingly irrational feminist, give her a son and see her stance take a steep detour as she figures out it's not exactly a rose garden on the other side of the wall.

A potential problem is compared to the past a higher proportion of women have no sons due to having children later, smaller families when they do have children and more women never having children.

silverharp · 18-01-2019 8:11pm

iptba wrote: »

A potential problem is compared to the past a higher proportion of women have no sons due to having children later, smaller families when they do have children and more women never having children.

also more girls never having brothers too and growing up not being able to empathise with boys

backspin. · 18-01-2019 9:23pm

Marengo wrote: »

Previous job myself and another male were forced by 'tradition' to make tea for 15 ladies every afternoon. I rebelled. No more tea parties in the afternoon, was ostracised!

How did that tradition develop. No way I'd be doing that.

iptba · 20-01-2019 8:32pm

This ended up in my Facebook feed. I have to say I find man flu "jokes" like this irritating and I doubt companies would share a comparable cartoon if the genders were reversed
https://www.facebook.com/AdvancePhysioWaterford/photos/a.1540803069314265/2216968348364397/?type=3&permPage=1

citytillidie · 21-01-2019 12:09pm

Video telling woman to be better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X94TPrzWsI

Calhoun · 21-01-2019 8:07pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/positive-discrimination-fears-surround-women-only-academic-posts-1.3764525?mode=amp

Looks like Miss Piggys plans for institutional discrimination may be in the rocks. It would almost be funny if not for possible cost to tax payer.

H3llR4iser · 22-01-2019 12:30pm

Calhoun wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/positive-discrimination-fears-surround-women-only-academic-posts-1.3764525?mode=amp

Looks like Miss Piggys plans for institutional discrimination may be in the rocks. It would almost be funny if not for possible cost to tax payer.

Discrimination is discrimination, it's not that one can just add "positive" in front of a concept that is implicitly negative and pretend all is A-OK; How does "positive racism" sound like? But hey, "it's job places reserved for <insert ethnicity here> as they are underrepresented!". Pure bullsh1t, and this is official business. We're screwed.

There is however a tiny bit of sense in the article from Louise McGirr:

“Positive action is not ring-fencing posts for people of a protected characteristic (ie in this case female) but you can give preference to an underrepresented characteristic (women in this case) all other things being equal and the candidates being equal on merit,”

As ironic as this would be, being the exact equal and opposite of the kind of "discrimination" that is alleged to be happening (women being refused opportunities on the basis of being women), at least it ain't completely idiotic - applying this with logic and honesty, the best candidates will still be getting the jobs regardless of having a willy or not.

That said, I'm still waiting for the big push to get more men in childcare, education and nursing and more women on construction sites, workshops and mining...

Calhoun · 22-01-2019 2:29pm

Are women being refused opportunity on the basis they are women? I don't think that is happening is it?

Hector Savage · 22-01-2019 3:55pm

Sexual assault here is ok cos he's an infowars dickhead and a white straight male

So GRAB HIM BY THE DICK!!!

Defunkd · 22-01-2019 6:05pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus Christ!!

I came across this article today, it is very worrying, these are professionals that people in time of need turn to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/science/apa-traditional-masculinity-harmful.html

As crazy as it might sound...masculinity is well and truly under attack...there will be no winners!

I just finished the 4th guideline and am reading no more.
Masculinity, according to those guidelines, is nothing but bad. It is only a negative force and must be worked against.

Some excerpts:
Masculinity increases the likelihood that you will commit intimate partner violence.
Your masculinity will increase your wife's likelihood of depression.
Masculinity will not allow you to form same-sex friendships.
The only cure for an aspects of masculinity is to get involved in Social Justice activities.

TL;DR If you're a white, cisgender male, masculinity is bad and causes a lot of problems for everyone else.

py2006 · 29-01-2019 1:13pm

Interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKB-S6IB2w

Silentcorner · 29-01-2019 5:33pm

Interesting article, makes you wonder how deep this kind of thinking goes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/11/16/boys-left-fail-school-attempts-help-earn-wrath-feminists-says/?fbclid=IwAR1bO0ZKb56jLYFaNwHIW3hTqM-gOYukDOrvhnh172uOz1v4Fq5OQcjpP-U

Feminism is all about equality tho right!!!

LostinBlanch · 29-01-2019 5:56pm

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py2006 wrote: »

Interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKB-S6IB2w

It's interesting noting that the twitter account @clementine_ford the one with the tweet Kill all men, and then kill them again, is still up. ISn't that incitement to hatred / violence etc, or is that just only possible against women?

The Specialist · 29-01-2019 6:22pm

LostinBlanch wrote: »

It's interesting noting that the twitter account @clementine_ford the one with the tweet Kill all men, and then kill them again, is still up. ISn't that incitement to hatred / violence etc, or is that just only possible against women?

Probably left up because the person posting from it is a coward living in a fantasy land.I’d like to see her say that statement in front of actual men and find out what happens. All brave misandric feminists till they come out from behind the keyboard.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 6:43pm

Had an example of sexism but having read a few pages of this thread I'm not going to post it. No offence but some of the anger here is quite frightening.

givyjoe · 29-01-2019 6:49pm

Perifect wrote: »

Had an example of sexism but having read a few pages of this thread I'm not going to post it. No offence but some of the anger here is quite frightening.

Bar one recent post.. what anger?!

Zorya · 29-01-2019 6:51pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzPthhj6vI

Sexism.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 6:57pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Bar one recent post.. what anger?!

Sorry, I didn't realise it was the same poster.

The Specialist wrote: »

Like many others I will never buy a product of theirs again. Sick to the teeth of this “toxic masculinity” bull**** being bandied about constantly and being made to feel that my gender is something to be ashamed of or apologetic for. Males are not a hive mind you ****ing cretins. Fvck Gilette.

The Specialist wrote: »

Probably left up because the person posting from it is a coward living in a fantasy land.I’d like to see her say that statement in front of actual men and find out what happens. All brave misandric feminists till they come out from behind the keyboard.

The Specialist · 29-01-2019 8:36pm

Perifect wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't realise it was the same poster.

That anger isn’t directed at anyone here in case you misread those posts, it’s directed at the people responsible for

1) A disgustingly sexist advert.
2) Some Twitter mong saying she wants to kill all men.

It’s ok to be passionate in disliking something you know, there is no point in being nice and civilised about these issues anymore, particularly when every facet of the male gender is being attacked from all sides.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 8:39pm

The Specialist wrote: »

That anger isn’t directed at anyone here in case you misread those posts, it’s directed at the people responsible for

1) A disgustingly sexist advert.
2) Some Twitter mong saying she wants to kill all men.

It’s ok to be passionate in disliking something you know, there is no point in being nice and civilised about these issues anymore, particularly when every facet of the male gender is being attacked from all sides.

I think you need to calm down. Women aren't that bad.

The Specialist · 29-01-2019 8:41pm

Perifect wrote: »

I think you need to calm down. Women aren't that bad.

I said nothing about women being bad?? Happily married thanks very much

I have no time for sexist assholes (of either sex) or any pretentious marketing pricks that think I should be somehow ashamed or apologetic for being a male.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 8:44pm

The Specialist wrote: »

I said nothing about women being bad?? Happily married thanks very much

I have no time for sexist assholes (of either sex) or any pretentious marketing pricks that think I should be somehow ashamed or apologetic for being a male.

There's just no need for this level of anger. It helps no one, especially you.

The Specialist · 29-01-2019 8:46pm

Perifect wrote: »

There's just no need for this level of anger. It helps no one, especially you.

Again...what anger?

Perifect · 29-01-2019 8:50pm

The Specialist wrote: »

Again...what anger?

Read your posts! The language, saying feminists should say stuff to a man's face to see what they'll get.

The Specialist · 29-01-2019 8:57pm

Perifect wrote: »

Read your posts! The language, saying feminists should say stuff to a man's face to see what they'll get.

That’s a perfectly acceptable response to someone who can come out with bull**** statements like “kill all men and then kill them again”. I’d say the same to any man who made a similar statement to that - if you’ve got a big enough mouth to say something like that, you should have the (excuse the pun) balls to say it in a real life situation and suffer whatever consequences come from that.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 8:59pm

The Specialist wrote: »

That’s a perfectly acceptable response to someone who can come out with bull**** statements like “kill all men and then kill them again”. I’d say the same to any man who made a similar statement to that - if you’ve got a big enough mouth to say something like that, you should have the (excuse the pun) balls to say it in a real life situation and suffer whatever consequences come from that.

You have to let it go, ignore people who upset you. It's better for you.

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:19pm

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Zorya wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzPthhj6vI

Sexism.

Looks like more about Transgender issues to me.

Defunkd · 29-01-2019 9:26pm

LostinBlanch wrote: »

It's interesting noting that the twitter account @clementine_ford the one with the tweet Kill all men, and then kill them again, is still up. ISn't that incitement to hatred / violence etc, or is that just only possible against women?

Clementine Ford is a feminist journalist for the Sydney Morning Herald.

If someone's opinion on razorblades is considered "angry" by those reading this thread, i'll keep my opinion of Clementine to myself but the link below is a collection of her tweets...people can make up their own mind.

http://antifeminismaustralia.com/clementine-ford-man-bashing-quotes/amp/

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:28pm

maybe

They say we're living in the global village, the internet just gave the village idiots a bigger loudhailer.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 9:32pm

Defunkd wrote: »

Clementine Ford is a feminist journalist for the Sydney Morning Herald.

If someone's opinion on razorblades is considered "angry" by those reading this thread, i'll keep my opinion of Clementine to myself but the link below is a collection of her tweets...people can make up their own mind.

http://antifeminismaustralia.com/clementine-ford-man-bashing-quotes/amp/

That's hilarious. She's joking!

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:37pm

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Perifect wrote: »

That's hilarious. She's joking!

Sure and I would agree, but it does illustrate something wider in society. Namely how far do you think a male reporter for a national newspaper would last if as a joke they tweeted "all women are scum" "all women must die" "slit women's throats"? The chances of him keeping his job would be slim and the chances are pretty high that he'd likely get a call from the authorities.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 9:40pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Sure and I would agree, but it does illustrate something wider in society. Namely how far do you think a male reporter for a national newspaper would last if as a joke they tweeted "all women are scum" "all women must die" "slit women's throats"? The chances of him keeping his job would be slim and the chances are pretty high that he'd likely get a call from the authorities.

Depends on how funny they were. This woman is funny. If it was a funny guy he'd get away with it for sure.

Zorya · 29-01-2019 9:44pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Looks like more about Transgender issues to me.

The speaker describes discrimination against lesbians based on their sex, ie sexism. Unless you have limits regarding where sexist discrimination can take place? Or perhaps there are limits pertaining to this thread that I am unaware of?

Defunkd · 29-01-2019 9:45pm

Perifect wrote: »

That's hilarious. She's joking!

I want to slit your mother's throat in front of you and watch her bleed..jk☺ (See, putting jk and a smiley face means it's a joke and jokes are hilarious, aren't they?)

Clementine isn't joking. She wrote an article a day after an Israeli student was murdered in Melbourne last week. I was going to link it - but i don't want her page getting the hits - where she uses the girls death to go on yet another anti-man rant.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 9:46pm

Defunkd wrote: »

I want to slit your mother's throat in front of you and watch her bleed..jk☺ (See, putting jk and a smiley face means it's a joke and jokes are hilarious, aren't they?)

Clementine isn't joking. She wrote an article a day after an Israeli student was murdered in Melbourne last week. I was going to link it - but i don't want her page getting the hits - where she uses the girls death to go on yet another anti-man rant.

Take a chill pill! She's clearly joking, it's funny. If you don't think so then just move on, forget about her.

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:46pm

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Perifect wrote: »

Depends on how funny they were. This woman is funny. If it was a funny guy he'd get away with it for sure.

High profile commonly accepted "funny guys" have gotten into serious hot water over tweets they made in apparent jest years ago.

I'm a fan of the funny, yer wan IMHO is about as funny as finding many headed boils on one's gentleman's gentleman. I suppose it's context, as it is funny if a mate tells you he has found such boils.

Defunkd · 29-01-2019 9:48pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Sure and I would agree, but it does illustrate something wider in society. Namely how far do you think a male reporter for a national newspaper would last if as a joke they tweeted "all women are scum" "all women must die" "slit women's throats"? The chances of him keeping his job would be slim and the chances are pretty high that he'd likely get a call from the authorities.

Are you stealing my thoughts before i can post them? Stop making it look like i'm plaigarising.

Perifect · 29-01-2019 9:48pm

Wibbs wrote: »

High profile commonly accepted "funny guys" have gotten into serious hot water over tweets they made in apparent jest years ago.

I'm a fan of the funny, yer wan IMHO is about as funny as finding many headed boils on one's gentleman's gentleman. I suppose it's context, as it is funny if a mate tells you he has found such boils.

Well then whoever complained about the funny guys should have a look at themselves. People take things so seriously these days.

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:48pm

maybe

Zorya wrote: »

The speaker describes discrimination against lesbians based on their sex, ie sexism. Unless you have limits regarding where sexist discrimination can take place? Or perhaps there are limits pertaining to this thread that I am unaware of?

More about the forum being what it is, it's primarily discussing sexism agin men.

Wibbs · 29-01-2019 9:50pm

maybe

Defunkd wrote: »

Are you stealing my thoughts before i can post them? Stop making it look like i'm plaigarising.

I'm the green fella on the right.

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