General Rugby Discussion II

sydthebeat · 12-01-2019 10:10pm

Make that 9 tries in 49 mins

Buer · 12-01-2019 10:12pm

Bonkers game and a nice way to finish a European rugby Saturday. Hopefully Northampton can score another to make it interesting.

LuckyGent88 · 12-01-2019 10:15pm

3 crucial turnovers from Clermont. Don’t think we have seen the last of the tries.

Boscoirl · 12-01-2019 10:16pm

Cracking game, I miss CA in the main comp

sydthebeat · 12-01-2019 10:18pm

Fantastic try saints!!

Boscoirl · 12-01-2019 10:18pm

Try number 99

LuckyGent88 · 12-01-2019 10:19pm

Northampton’s attack has been very impressive. Quality of ball, slick passing and great running lines.

Edit: LOL... pity they can’t defend

Boscoirl · 12-01-2019 10:20pm

We need to start signing Fijians

sydthebeat · 12-01-2019 10:21pm

Jesus christ.

Try 11 in 59 mins

limericklad87 · 12-01-2019 10:21pm

Christ blink and you'll miss a try

Diabhal Beag · 12-01-2019 10:25pm

Gas that a team has scored 6 tries after 60 minutes and still haven't finished off the opposition

sydthebeat · 12-01-2019 10:34pm

One point game.....

12 mins left....

sydthebeat · 12-01-2019 10:39pm

Jeez. Not being sexist but this is a cracking one point game, and whoever the female commentator is has the excitement of a dead gnat on a windscreen.....
And her Co Commentator isn't much better, but at least he puts some inflection in his voice

LuckyGent88 · 12-01-2019 10:45pm

Great patience from clermont there in the end. Was a bit helter smelter for a long time and not much composure

Boscoirl · 12-01-2019 10:45pm

Clermont should replace the 8th place team in the Champions Cup knockouts

LuckyGent88 · 12-01-2019 10:48pm

Well that was great craic for a Saturday evening

Burkie1203 · 18-01-2019 8:39am

https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1086134277664845831?s=19

Squidgy Black · 18-01-2019 8:42am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1086134277664845831?s=19

Always sad to see. He was a great player as well. Had a rough run of injuries once he left SA, but glad he was able to at least get a bit of cash before he had to call it quits.

Former Former · 18-01-2019 10:23am

It's a shame but also the least surprising retirement ever.

He was never right after the Stander incident and probably should have called it quits a year or two ago.

18-01-2019 10:38am

Former Former wrote: »

It's a shame but also the least surprising retirement ever.

He was never right after the Stander incident and probably should have called it quits a year or two ago.

I was wondering was that the start of it, he was in a bad way when it happened.

Extremely sympathetic for the guy for what is now such a common occurrence. Not going to be an easy time for Stander who will no doubt feel some level of responsibility even though it was a freak accident.

Buer · 18-01-2019 10:47am

Not surprising but still a shame to see a very talented player leave the game.

Racing will be surely looking at their options now. Finn Russell is as flaky as they come and after that they have Ben Volavola and Raphael Lagarde as their back ups.

Russell already has 14 starts this season for Racing along with 3 for Scotland with a lot of 80 minute showings. He's like to be starting all of Scotland's 6N matches along with potentially appearing for Racing during the 6N too.

I wonder if Racing will look to make a joker signing?

Squidgy Black · 18-01-2019 11:06am

Buer wrote: »

Not surprising but still a shame to see a very talented player leave the game.

Racing will be surely looking at their options now. Finn Russell is as flaky as they come and after that they have Ben Volavola and Raphael Lagarde as their back ups.

Russell already has 14 starts this season for Racing along with 3 for Scotland with a lot of 80 minute showings. He's like to be starting all of Scotland's 6N matches along with potentially appearing for Racing during the 6N too.

I wonder if Racing will look to make a joker signing?

Ross Byrne to Racing 92, you heard it here first.

:pac:

thomond2006 · 18-01-2019 11:19am

6 month payday for Keatley? Although he's in the ERCC squad for Munster he didn't make an appearance, I'm not sure what the rule is. It's not an ideal time in the calendar to look for jokers.

sydthebeat · 18-01-2019 2:40pm

Former Former wrote: »

It's a shame but also the least surprising retirement ever.

He was never right after the Stander incident and probably should have called it quits a year or two ago.

he was never right before the stander incident.. i recall him being in two serious knock out collisions in a short period a few seasons ago while he was with the sharks...

hes always had a reputation as being susceptible to concussion injuries

Quin_Dub · 18-01-2019 2:42pm

Buer wrote: »

Not surprising but still a shame to see a very talented player leave the game.

Racing will be surely looking at their options now. Finn Russell is as flaky as they come and after that they have Ben Volavola and Raphael Lagarde as their back ups.

Russell already has 14 starts this season for Racing along with 3 for Scotland with a lot of 80 minute showings. He's like to be starting all of Scotland's 6N matches along with potentially appearing for Racing during the 6N too.

I wonder if Racing will look to make a joker signing?

Paddy Jackson???

Former Former · 18-01-2019 3:54pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

he was never right before the stander incident.. i recall him being in two serious knock out collisions in a short period a few seasons ago while he was with the sharks...

hes always had a reputation as being susceptible to concussion injuries

Is that correct?

He was definitely susceptible to concussion after the CJ incident, but I thought that it had been the start of his problems.

Buer · 18-01-2019 4:02pm

I know he copped a head knock for the Sharks since then that impacted him but I'm not sure he had a concussion prior? He had neck problems before that?

sydthebeat · 18-01-2019 4:12pm

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2017-03-14-a-list-of-the-many-injuries-that-have-dogged-lambies-career-since-2014/

yeah my bad, i recalled incorrectly

... its was neck and shoulder injuries he had trouble with prior to the CJ incident... and he suffered two concussion injurys in a short period when he came back after the incident.

sydthebeat · 19-01-2019 2:52pm

Some score by saints yesterday... Putting 111 points up on the other Saracens

davidfitz22 · 21-01-2019 7:39pm

Hows it going lad's. I hope this is the right place to discuss this.

I joined a club's 2nd 15 at the ripe old age of 28 and have been to a few training sessions and even played in a friendly game. as it was my first game I volunteered to play at blindside flanker. I hit a few good tackles and was quick enough to the ruck when needed. The problem is that I really had no awareness at all and my number 8 had to position me constantly. It was a serious reality check.

The question is, am I too old to start as a beginner? I feel like there is some progress but I still cannot understand the complex plays and calls of my team and I feel like that I am getting in the way half the time when the first 15 train for a game. I train as often as I can and mostly with the first team as the rest of the second team do not train but I often feel very much out of my depth.

The Lost Sheep · 21-01-2019 8:22pm

davidfitz22 wrote: »

Hows it going lad's. I hope this is the right place to discuss this.

I joined a club's 2nd 15 at the ripe old age of 28 and have been to a few training sessions and even played in a friendly game. as it was my first game I volunteered to play at blindside flanker. I hit a few good tackles and was quick enough to the ruck when needed. The problem is that I really had no awareness at all and my number 8 had to position me constantly. It was a serious reality check.

The question is, am I too old to start as a beginner? I feel like there is some progress but I still cannot understand the complex plays and calls of my team and I feel like that I am getting in the way half the time when the first 15 train for a game. I train as often as I can and mostly with the first team as the rest of the second team do not train but I often feel very much out of my depth.

There is a junior rugby thread but here is fine.
No you are not too old to start playing. Keep training away. Especially with the clubs 1sts team. Dont worry about the plays and just work on positioning in terms of defence and your technique at tackle/ruck.
where are you playing(dont have to mention club but general area)
Is there nearby clubs with more than 2 teams or club playing at lower level than your current clubs 2nd team which could help you

Burkie1203 · 21-01-2019 8:29pm

Interesting development

https://twitter.com/benjames1796/status/1087378194238451712?s=19

davidfitz22 · 21-01-2019 8:45pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There is a junior rugby thread but here is fine.
No you are not too old to start playing. Keep training away. Especially with the clubs 1sts team. Dont worry about the plays and just work on positioning in terms of defence and your technique at tackle/ruck.
where are you playing(dont have to mention club but general area)
Is there nearby clubs with more than 2 teams or club playing at lower level than your current clubs 2nd team which could help you

cheers pal, We are in Donegal and have just the two teams, the first time play in a league and the second are just playing friendlies right now. In Donegal there are very few teams and those close by are struggling for players.

I am absolutely happy to learn the game on the fly I guess I just need to up my own fitness and just keep at it until the fundamentals improve.

The Lost Sheep · 22-01-2019 9:23pm

Interesting report from schools rugby in New Zealand and effect it is having on the sport overall
http://files.allblacks.com/community-rugby/NZR-Secondary-School-Rugby-Review-Report.pdf

stephen_n · 23-01-2019 10:12am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Interesting report from schools rugby in New Zealand and effect it is having on the sport overall
http://files.allblacks.com/community-rugby/NZR-Secondary-School-Rugby-Review-Report.pdf

One the IRFU should keep an eye, seems to be a few similarities there.

swiwi_ · 23-01-2019 3:59pm

stephen_n wrote: »

One the IRFU should keep an eye, seems to be a few similarities there.

Scores and fixtures only please Stephen

stephen_n · 23-01-2019 8:49pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Scores and fixtures only please Stephen

Assumption is the mother of all... I meant the growth of womens rugby

No I didn't

Clegg · 24-01-2019 2:11pm

Wesley Fofana will retire from international rugby after the World Cup. Think he cited the ever increasing toll rugby is taking on his body.

The Lost Sheep · 24-01-2019 2:17pm

stephen_n wrote: »

One the IRFU should keep an eye, seems to be a few similarities there.

More than a few. Will be interesting to see how it plays out

troyzer · 24-01-2019 2:20pm

Clegg wrote: »

Wesley Fofana will retire from international rugby after the World Cup. Think he cited the ever increasing toll rugby is taking on his body.

To be fair, there are dozens of other players doing the same thing. The only difference is that the likes of Ben Smith are moving to France and by extension, retiring from international rugby.

Fofana is already playing in France. It's a bit of a non-story, he's doing something that many 30+ year olds are doing after the world cup.

Eod100 · 24-01-2019 2:21pm

Sad news here. https://twitter.com/JLyall93/status/1088356895604256768?s=19

troyzer · 24-01-2019 3:25pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pat-lambie-s-retirement-a-symptom-of-rugby-s-obsession-with-bulk-1.3769335

Here we go again.

Thoughts?

Dubinusa · 24-01-2019 5:19pm

It's certainly concerning that quite a few players have had to retire due to head injuries.
There is no answer that makes sense imo.
Physically and genetically some nations produce bigger stronger players than others.
The game has trended toward size and brawn over the last 20 yrs. That's possibly the reason that there's so many Georgians; Saffers and Pacific islanders strewn around the leagues.
I don't think a smaller and faster team can survive today.
If the pitch was 20% larger, that would surely make a difference. But, that's never going to happen.
I've seen players these last few weeks weighing in at over 130kg. Massive men that are strong and that's about all. They are low on skill and don't last 60 minutes.
Ulster faced a lad in Europe that is 155kgs. He wasn't very good at rugby though.
It's one reason why I think Sexton is one of the all time greats. He's constantly targeted and he doesn't shirk his responsibility.
I don't think world rugby has the answers either. A big strong guy, will find a team somewhere! That's the reality.
I often think that Cian Healy is rather small when I see him play against some of the tight heads in the Champions cup. Healy is a fairly big man. The opposition are just huge!

troyzer · 24-01-2019 5:21pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

It's certainly concerning that quite a few players have had to retire due to head injuries.
There is no answer that makes sense imo.
Physically and genetically some nations produce bigger stronger players than others.
The game has trended toward size and brawn over the last 20 yrs. That's possibly the reason that there's so many Georgians; Saffers and Pacific islanders strewn around the leagues.
I don't think a smaller and faster team can survive today.
If the pitch was 20% larger, that would surely make a difference. But, that's never going to happen.
I've seen players these last few weeks weighing in at over 130kg. Massive men that are strong and that's about all. They are low on skill and don't last 60 minutes.
Ulster faced a lad in Europe that is 155kgs. He wasn't very good at rugby though.
It's one reason why I think Sexton is one of the all time greats. He's constantly targeted and he doesn't shirk his responsibility.
I don't think world rugby has the answers either. A big strong guy, will find a team somewhere! That's the reality.
I often think that Cian Healy is rather small when I see him play against some of the tight heads in the Champions cup. Healy is a fairly big man. The opposition are just huge!

Healy is absolutely massive. His body fat is only around 10-15%. He's 110kg of pure muscle.

Him and Porter are the most stacked players I've ever seen.

mfceiling · 24-01-2019 6:51pm

troyzer wrote: »

Healy is absolutely massive. His body fat is only around 10-15%. He's 110kg of pure muscle.

Him and Porter are the most stacked players I've ever seen.

Healy has actually slimmed down. Think it was last week's Sunday Times that had an article with him and he has lost a good bit of weight and he feels it has aided his game and resulted in less injuries.
He was saying he swims in the sea every day now and that is another big benefit to his overall health and wellness.

troyzer · 24-01-2019 6:53pm

mfceiling wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Healy is absolutely massive. His body fat is only around 10-15%. He's 110kg of pure muscle.

Him and Porter are the most stacked players I've ever seen.

Healy has actually slimmed down. Think it was last week's Sunday Times that had an article with him and he has lost a good bit of weight and he feels it has aided his game and resulted in less injuries.
He was saying he swims in the sea every day now and that is another big benefit to his overall health and wellness.

He's much leaner than he was but I don't think he's lost much muscle.

As props go, he's very trim. You can only really appreciate it when you're standing next to him how unbelievable good shape he's in.

His appearance on the Left Wing was brilliant talking about his body and rehabbing his various injuries.

stephen_n · 24-01-2019 7:01pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Healy has actually slimmed down. Think it was last week's Sunday Times that had an article with him and he has lost a good bit of weight and he feels it has aided his game and resulted in less injuries.
He was saying he swims in the sea every day now and that is another big benefit to his overall health and wellness.

He was 120kg before last season, he dropped 10kgs and before the beginning of the 2017-2018 season and it seemed to really help his game.

Yeah_Right · 24-01-2019 10:40pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Ulster faced a lad in Europe that is 155kgs. He wasn't very good at rugby though.

I hope you're not thinking of the prop Tameifuna. Because he's actually a good player. A bit lazy but still skilful and surprisingly quick.

It's interesting reading comments about rugby players getting bigger because I think in the last 5 to 10 years it's been seen that there's still a place for the little guy. Certainly in NZ. In the NH there's been an obsession with size. Particularly in France and England but that does seem to fading.

Squidgy Black · 24-01-2019 10:59pm

For every Tameifuna there's a Kolbe.

I definitely think certain positions have certainly focused on bulking up (mostly the backrow, centres for a large part), but I don't think it's a massive epidemic where all 15 players are 100kg+ (although the French teams have given this a run for it's money). Props have always been fat, second rows have always been the human equivalent of oak trees.

Dubinusa · 24-01-2019 11:24pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I hope you're thinking of the prop Tameifuna. Because he's actually a good player. A bit lazy but still skilful and surprisingly quick.

It's interesting reading comments about rugby players getting bigger because I think in the last 5 to 10 years it's been seen that there's still a place for the little guy. Certainly in NZ. In the NH there's been an obsession with size. Particularly in France and England but that does seem to fading.

I'm not sure who he was. He was enormous. I never saw him before. I was scared for the wee Ulster lad up against him. Think it was EOS. The man looked bigger than an nfl lineman!

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