Junior Rugby [Social Rugby] Season 2018/2019

stephen_n · 12-12-2018 9:43am

devolution wrote: »

Folks
Just checking in ,
Whats the story when the opposition have only
14 players, were in Div 8
The manager of the other team told us we had to drop a player to match them at the start & then the Ref agreed to it !
So we we’re penalized for them not been organized !
Seems tad unfair !

Think they have to forfeit the points in that case though, so you get the win regardless of the result AFAIK.

cloneslad · 12-12-2018 11:28am

devolution wrote: »

Folks
Just checking in ,
Whats the story when the opposition have only
14 players, were in Div 8
The manager of the other team told us we had to drop a player to match them at the start & then the Ref agreed to it !
So we we’re penalized for them not been organized !
Seems tad unfair !

21.13 Division 6 and below. i. 4 points for a win, two points for a draw and one point for losing by 7 points or less. ii Minimum number on a team is 12 and maximum 15 on the pitch .iii if one team has more players than the other, in order to balance the sides- the team with the greater number of players may allow players to play on the opposing team. The team with the lesser number of players cannot compel the team with the greater number of players to give them players, but the game shall start with an equal number of players on both teams (i.e. the lower number of players).

Looks like you have to drop a player.

I think if it starts with 15 a side and they lose a player to injury you can carry on at 15 v 14.

devolution · 12-12-2018 4:47pm

According to Branch , it was just a mistake by ref & we should have been ok to stay with 15,
Rules about dropping only apply to youth Rugby .

Just to be aware of it !

The Lost Sheep · 12-12-2018 4:59pm

devolution wrote: »

Folks
Just checking in,
Whats the story when the opposition have only
14 players, were in Div 8
The manager of the other team told us we had to drop a player to match them at the start & then the Ref agreed to it!
So we we’re penalized for them not been organized!
Seems tad unfair!

Its underage only that you have to drop to equal numbers but opposition do need to have more than 12 at adult level i think to start

stephen_n wrote: »

Think they have to forfeit the points in that case though, so you get the win regardless of the result AFAIK.

Certainly not the case

stephen_n · 12-12-2018 6:54pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Certainly not the case

Maybe not then, I know we played Monkstown a few seasons ago and they had to forfeit the points. Though they only had 12 players I think and we gave them a few to make up the numbers. So maybe that’s a different scenario I guess.

GavMan · 18-12-2018 2:34pm

If you start without a Front Row in certain leagues you drop 2 points

The Lost Sheep · 18-12-2018 5:08pm

GavMan wrote: »

If you start without a Front Row in certain leagues you drop 2 points

All bar the bottom few divisions(think its divisions 9/10/11) as theyre beginner/completely social competitions

realhorrorshow · 14-01-2019 10:42pm

Tuam J1s have 9 wins from 9 in J1B, have conceded 42 points (4.67 per game). Any similarly impressive records in other provinces?

gaius c · 21-01-2019 2:14pm

GavMan wrote: »

If you start without a Front Row in certain leagues you drop 2 points

Not correct for metro leagues (bar 10 and 11). You start with 14 players and scrums are uncontested.

gaius c · 21-01-2019 2:18pm

devolution wrote: »

According to Branch , it was just a mistake by ref & we should have been ok to stay with 15,
Rules about dropping only apply to youth Rugby .

Just to be aware of it !

According to branch's own regulations (21.13), it applies to division 6 and below in the men's metro leagues so whoever said that to you was wrong.

Also applies to Leinster seconds League.

D14Rugby · 21-01-2019 5:38pm

gaius c wrote: »

According to branch's own regulations (21.13), it applies to division 6 and below in the men's metro leagues so whoever said that to you was wrong.

Also applies to Leinster seconds League.

Yeah the rule below

21.13 Division 6 and below. i. 4 points for a win, two points for a draw and one point for losing by 7 points or less. ii Minimum number on a team is 12 and maximum 15 on the pitch .iii if one team has more players than the other, in order to balance the sides- the team with the greater number of players may allow players to play on the opposing team. The team with the lesser number of players cannot compel the team with the greater number of players to give them players, but the game shall start with an equal number of players on both teams (i.e. the lower number of players).

delta_bravo · 11-03-2019 11:56am

Leagues all finished now except for Metro 1-3.

Looks like the makings of a great year for Old Wesley. Could reach 4 league finals if they win their last J1 game

Metro 1 (Lansdowne v Old Wesley/Old Belvedere)
Metro 2 (Old Wesley v Blackrock/Greystones
Metro 3 (Probably Skerries v Old Belvedere) Few games left here
Metro 4 (Malahide v Old Wesley)
Metro 5 (Greystones v Barnhall)
Metro 6 (Old Belvedere v Old Wesley) Barnhall missing out on a final place on head to head
Metro 7 (Seapoint v Tallaght)
Metro 8 (Athy v Bective Rangers)
Metro 9 (BGF Ravens v Emerald Warriors) I would say this is Warriors first metro final
Metro 10 (Monkstown v St Marys College)
Metro 11 (Clontarf v DLSP/Tallaght)

The Lost Sheep · 11-03-2019 12:04pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Leagues all finished now except for Metro 1-3.

Looks like the makings of a great year for Old Wesley. Could reach 4 league finals if they win their last J1 game

Metro 1 (Lansdowne v Old Wesley/Old Belvedere)
Metro 2 (Old Wesley v Blackrock/Greystones
Metro 3 (Probably Skerries v Old Belvedere) Few games left here
Metro 4 (Malahide v Old Wesley)
Metro 5 (Greystones v Barnhall)
Metro 6 (Old Belvedere v Old Wesley) Barnhall missing out on a final place on head to head
Metro 7 (Seapoint v Tallaght)
Metro 8 (Athy v Bective Rangers)
Metro 9 (BGF Ravens v Emerald Warriors) I would say this is Warriors first metro final
Metro 10 (Monkstown v St Marys College)
Metro 11 (Clontarf v DLSP/Tallaght)

Thats very good going for wesley in particular their 3s and 4s playing metro2/4 finals

delta_bravo · 11-03-2019 12:40pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Thats very good going for wesley in particular their 3s and 4s playing metro2/4 finals

Yes definitely. Not sure if its been the same squad all along but that team now in the metro 4 final I think began around Div 7/8 4-5 years ago and had a few promotions in a row.

The Lost Sheep · 11-03-2019 12:51pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Yes definitely. Not sure if its been the same squad all along but that team now in the metro 4 final I think began around Div 7/8 4-5 years ago and had a few promotions in a row.

Definitely strongest club in the city as they combine strong links with a feeder school as well as links with players moving to city through facilities in donnybrook being pretty good.
Bective at other end of ground struggling in comparison with no feeder school and many minis who started their rugby there just never going back to the club after school if still playing as they'll go to so many stronger clubs nearby

D14Rugby · 11-03-2019 1:22pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Definitely strongest club in the city as they combine strong links with a feeder school as well as links with players moving to city through facilities in donnybrook being pretty good.
Bective at other end of ground struggling in comparison with no feeder school and many minis who started their rugby there just never going back to the club after school if still playing as they'll go to so many stronger clubs nearby

I can think of a few clubs that would object to that statement

The Lost Sheep · 11-03-2019 2:59pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I can think of a few clubs that would object to that statement

On basis of the league results is what im saying they are.
In finals of metro 2/4/6 and could also be in metro1 final.
Quite far to say theyre strongest based on the success of each of their teams.
What other reasons would you say other clubs are stronger?

Faugheen · 11-03-2019 5:01pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I can think of a few clubs that would object to that statement

Nah, they're in the finals of metro 2/4 and 6, with their J1s top of metro 1 too and not to mention their AIL side are in a shot of getting into 1A.

Them and Mary's seem to have great structures and numbers.

Chico Flores · 11-03-2019 5:05pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Nah, they're in the finals of metro 2/4 and 6, with their J1s top of metro 1 too and not to mention their AIL side are in a shot of getting into 1A.

Them and Mary's seem to have great structures and numbers.

How many sides are putting out 5 teams?

Clontarf, Wesley, Marys, Terenure, Barnhall?

Are Lansdowne?

It is some achievement to field that many and stay competitive too.

Faugheen · 11-03-2019 5:39pm

Chico Flores wrote: »

How many sides are putting out 5 teams?

Clontarf, Wesley, Marys, Terenure, Barnhall?

Are Lansdowne?

It is some achievement to field that many and stay competitive too.

Tarf and Mary's have 6 teams if you include their AIL sides. Terenure did have a 6s team but they've pulled out of their league. Think Belvo have 5 too.

I think Emerald Warriors being in the met 9 final is brilliant for them. They were getting destroyed every week in division 11 only a few years ago and now they've two teams. Their seconds turn up and play too despite getting hammered every week. Have to respect that because other sides wouldn't bother.

The Lost Sheep · 11-03-2019 5:40pm

Chico Flores wrote: »

How many sides are putting out 5 teams?

Clontarf, Wesley, Marys, Terenure, Barnhall?

Are Lansdowne?

It is some achievement to field that many and stay competitive too.

Wesley have 5, Barnhall 5, Belvedere 5, Tarf have 6, Terenure 6, Marys 6

D14Rugby · 11-03-2019 11:41pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

On basis of the league results is what im saying they are.
In finals of metro 2/4/6 and could also be in metro1 final.
Quite far to say theyre strongest based on the success of each of their teams.
What other reasons would you say other clubs are stronger?

It's the fact that the definition of strongest club is really subjective. Do you base it off results from all teams? Something that has so many influencing factors in itself. If so every mens team in St Marys started this season in a division below the one they started in last season so does that make them the weakest? I wouldn't say so anyway, they still have a lot of teams, a senior team in AIL 1B, a good community around the club, they also have good links to 2 feeder schools, among numerous other things.

My point is just that to try label one club as definitely the strongest in Dublin is something you can't do, especially based off one seasons league standings, as there are so many different factors involved in what makes a club strong some which may be more important to one person than to someone else and there are many other clubs who would have perfectly legitimate claims to being the strongest club in Dublin in their eyes.

Some may say you have to be in AIL 1A, some may base it off number of teams, minis numbers, links to schools, trophies won, community feel, number of non playing members, player retention, player development, facilities, number of pro players, the list goes on there's so many factors and there isn't one club that can claim to have the best everything and every club probably has some claim to the title that they think to be the best claim.

TLDR: Wesley probably have a good claim to having the strongest junior teams on average this season but that's not necessarily the same thing as being "definitely the strongest club in the city".

delta_bravo · 12-03-2019 1:04am

Yeah it's very subjective really. For example Lansdowne have amazing facilties, good minis, lots of success at senior and J1 level but don't seem to have as good of a junior setup in terms of social rugby. Don't have any team in the equivalent of the old J4/5 leagues.

There's no club that has everything really.

shoutman · 14-03-2019 10:55am

Can't help but be impressed by the success being achieved at Wesley, great strength within their junior setup and their first team really pushing on.

Always been very hospitable when playing out in Donnybrook also, so can't begrudge them their success, fair play to them.

The Lost Sheep · 14-03-2019 4:14pm

cloneslad wrote: »

Does anyone know what the story is with the J4 cup?

Belvedere are down as getting a bye and as playing Clontarf. The winner of Tallaght v Blackrock is then due to face them in the next round in the top section.

I'm assuming this is just an error and the Winner of Tallaght v Blackrock will go straight into the semi-final.

Ask dermotom on twitter?

https://twitter.com/Dermotom

cloneslad · 14-03-2019 4:38pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ask dermotom on twitter?

https://twitter.com/Dermotom

you were quick on that. I was editing it to fix up the image and had deleted the post about a minute after putting it up. I don't have a twitter account to ask him on, the only one I have is our work account that I use and I don't think the company would be happy with that.

The Lost Sheep · 15-03-2019 10:48pm

division 5 final result
stones 9 barnhall 6

The Lost Sheep · 17-03-2019 12:10am

Malahide beat Wesley 27-7 in Division 4 final

jamesbondings · 17-03-2019 12:57am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ask dermotom on twitter?

https://twitter.com/Dermotom

First Belvo should be wesley

The Lost Sheep · 31-03-2019 8:17pm

Metro 1 final: Lansdowne 17 Old Wesley 14
Metro 2 final: Old Wesley v Blackrock. date tbc
Metro 3 final: Skerries v Old Belvedere date tbc
Metro 4 final: Malahide 27 Old Wesley 7
Metro 5 final: Greystones 9 MU Barnhall 6
Metro 6 final: Old Belvedere v Old Wesley on 6/4
Metro 7 final: Seapoint v Tallaght on 6/4
Metro 8 final: Athy v Bective on 6/4
Metro 9 final: BGF Ravens 11 Emerald Warriors 0
Metro 10 final: Monkstown 33 St Marys 20
Metro 11 final: Clontarf 48 DLSP-Tallaght 3

marko93 · 01-04-2019 2:48pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Metro 1 final: Lansdowne 17 Old Wesley 14
Metro 2 final: Old Wesley v Blackrock. date tbc
Metro 3 final: Skerries v Old Belvedere date tbc
Metro 4 final: Malahide 27 Old Wesley 7
Metro 5 final: Greystones 9 MU Barnhall 6
Metro 6 final: Old Belvedere v Old Wesley on 6/4
Metro 7 final: Seapoint v Tallaght on 6/4
Metro 8 final: Athy v Bective on 6/4
Metro 9 final: BGF Ravens 11 Emerald Warriors 0
Metro 10 final: Monkstown 33 St Marys 20
Metro 11 final: Clontarf 48 DLSP-Tallaght 3

For arguments sake, if Barnhall had of made Metro 6 playoffs and won, could both of their teams play in Metro 5?

For Metro 1, does everyone but the relegated team just remain in that league or are they winners promoted to a different league?

Cheers!

Faugheen · 01-04-2019 3:46pm

marko93 wrote: »

For arguments sake, if Barnhall had of made Metro 6 playoffs and won, could both of their teams play in Metro 5?

For Metro 1, does everyone but the relegated team just remain in that league or are they winners promoted to a different league?

Cheers!

Barnhall would have to remain in Metro 6 I believe.

It's similar in Met 1/2. Wesley's J2s can't go up if they beat Rock. I dunno if Rock go up in that case or if Met 1 remains as is.

The Lost Sheep · 01-04-2019 4:01pm

marko93 wrote: »

For arguments sake, if Barnhall had of made Metro 6 playoffs and won, could both of their teams play in Metro 5?

For Metro 1, does everyone but the relegated team just remain in that league or are they winners promoted to a different league?

Cheers!

clubs can't have 2 teams in same division. A side who wins league and has another team in higher division doesn't get promoted
Winners of metro1 can't be promoted to another league. All bar relegated stay in metro1

Faugheen · 01-04-2019 4:09pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

clubs can't have 2 teams in same division. A side who wins league and has another team in higher division doesn't get promoted
Winners of metro1 can't be promoted to another league. All bar relegated stay in metro1

What about the Wesley scenario that I posted? Would Rock go up even if they lose the league final?

The Lost Sheep · 02-04-2019 11:48am

Faugheen wrote: »

What about the Wesley scenario that I posted? Would Rock go up even if they lose the league final?

No. Team who finishes second is promoted unless they also have a team in league above and if they do then noone is promoted

gaius c · 10-04-2019 12:11pm

All eyes on Branch meetings with certain clubs tonight?

salmocab · 10-04-2019 12:17pm

gaius c wrote: »

All eyes on Branch meetings with certain clubs tonight?

What’s that about?

gaius c · 10-04-2019 12:59pm

Number of clubs called up to explain discrepancies with their teamsheets.
Mainly cups but at least one of them concerns a league final.

devolution · 10-04-2019 4:11pm

gaius c wrote: »

Number of clubs called up to explain discrepancies with their teamsheets.
Mainly cups but at least one of them concerns a league final.

All clubs know the Rules & Regs going into leagues & Play offs & cups but year on year the same thing Happens , Think going forward the penalties / sanctions need to be laid out beforehand & maybe that might put an end to it.
One senior club a few years back got follow up sanctions of all teams getting docked league points into the following season which laid down a big marker.

GavMan · 10-04-2019 5:10pm

Any idea what clubs are involved?

The Lost Sheep · 10-04-2019 7:20pm

devolution wrote: »

All clubs know the Rules & Regs going into leagues & Play offs & cups but year on year the same thing Happens, Think going forward the penalties / sanctions need to be laid out beforehand & maybe that might put an end to it.
One senior club a few years back got follow up sanctions of all teams getting docked league points into the following season which laid down a big marker.

Penalties/Sanctions in general are laid out beforehand through comp regulations are they not.
And i dont see it ending it. The same will happen as it always had regardless of regulations in place

jamesbondings · 10-04-2019 10:21pm

No word on the clubs in question? Have heard consistent whispers about a number of clubs this season mainly in the leagues.

How will we find out?

gaius c · 10-04-2019 11:06pm

Coolmine got done in the j6 cup anyway.
Marys in the final instead of them.

devolution · 11-04-2019 1:11pm

gaius c wrote: »

Coolmine got done in the j6 cup anyway.
Marys in the final instead of them.

Who Have Marys git in the Final ?
Is that the Guilfoyle James Cup ?

shoutman · 11-04-2019 1:24pm

Stillorgan-rathfarnam vets side, they beat an understrength 'tarf side who were short a good few players.

It is the Guilfoyle James Cup.

gaius c · 11-04-2019 4:55pm

Monkstown given suspended fine but bizarrely get to keep division 10 title after being found guilty.

gaius c · 16-04-2019 5:24pm

O'Connor cup semi final
Stillorgan-Rathfarnham 17
Terenure 15

O'Connor cup final will be between Terenure & Bective...

devolution · 16-04-2019 8:52pm

gaius c wrote: »

O'Connor cup semi final
Stillorgan-Rathfarnham 17
Terenure 15

O'Connor cup final will be between Terenure & Bective...

Heard They Withdrew from the completion !

gaius c · 16-04-2019 9:35pm

devolution wrote: »

Heard They Withdrew from the completion !

Withdrawal before expulsion?

DonVito · 16-04-2019 10:56pm

Disqualified for fielding ineligible players in the SF.

Junior Rugby [Social Rugby] Season 2018/2019

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