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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
    (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

    #WITA18
    #womenintech
    Women in Tech Awards
    @WITAwardsDublin
    The Women in Tech Awards is Ireland’s first annual celebration of women and diversity in the technology industry.

    #AWomansWorld
    https://twitter.com/hannahmdeasy/status/1065736485972967425
    [RTE had a week of programmes on women]

    #diacontralaviolenciadegenero
    International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women

    #SfBWomenInSport
    Women In Irish Sport conference

    #WomenInMusic
    https://twitter.com/MusicNewsRumor/status/1070815356548276226


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba




    A guy asks people what women are better than men at. Lots of answers are given. He then asks what men are better than women at and people are much slower to give answers and some of them are more like insults.

    I watched this a couple of days ago how what really stuck with me was the woman (presumably a lesbian) at 2:09
    "I just prefer girls in literally every possible way of speaking and like if I could go through life without interacting with men, that sounds like paradise".

    An example of misandry if ever there was one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,684 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I saw one of his other videos, it went kind of viral , its fascinating when you can see someone's brain frying
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=312sbdaZVUo

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Pensioners are biggest losers as 'fair' Budget sees them out of pocket
    The largest overall decline in disposable income was seen among women with children who were in a couple where one worked. That group incurred losses of 1.76pc.

    Women in no-earner couples with children lost 1.48pc relative to benchmarking against wage rises.
    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/pensioners-are-biggest-losers-as-fair-budget-sees-them-out-of-pocket-37614705.html
    Do not both members of the couple lose out?

    And sometimes in a heterosexual couple, the woman works and the man is the homemaker, though this is rarer. The way they have written it, one might be forgiven for thinking there were gender-specific proposals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,684 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Genuine concern or just bloated colleges running out of students and see their jobs on the line?


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6474985/Universities-setting-targets-recruit-white-male-students-numbers-fell.html

    White males are a now a MINORITY GROUP! Universities are setting targets to recruit more after numbers plummeted
    •Aston and Essex universities pledge to boost the number of white male students
    •Women are a third more likely to apply to degree courses than men, data shows
    •Figures from the Higher Education Statistics Agency show white British students are in a minority at about 10 per cent of institutions


    The progressives wont like that
    While university entry should primarily be decided on merit, Professor Alan Smithers, director of the Centre for Education and Employment Research at Buckingham University, said there was a good case for giving white men special attention.

    'It is a form of racism to be uncomfortable in tackling white male under-representation,' he said.
    While university entry should primarily be decided on merit, Professor Alan Smithers, director of the Centre for Education and Employment Research at Buckingham University, said there was a good case for giving white men special attention.

    'It is a form of racism to be uncomfortable in tackling white male under-representation,' he said.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    The UK university system is different to the CAO system: in the latter, it is simply down to points (excluding the HEAR scheme for some students from economically disadvantaged areas, DARE system for students with disabilities and the odd course with interviews, portfolios, etc.). In the UK, different people may be required to get different points to get in and some people can get no offer at all from a university.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Whatever about men's issues being ignored by the media, RTE have a documentary about steroid abuse in men at the moment. It's reaching epidemic proportions and nobody is talking about it.

    But RTE have been absolutely spamming the **** out of it all week, so fair play. Credit where its due.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


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    https://www.irishtimes.com/sponsored/20x20/20x20-why-promoting-female-role-models-in-sport-matters-1.3714915

    Not the worst thing for companies to support just it's a bit irritating how often gender-specific initiatives focus on females compared to males.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,973 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    seamus wrote: »
    Whatever about men's issues being ignored by the media, RTE have a documentary about steroid abuse in men at the moment. It's reaching epidemic proportions and nobody is talking about it.

    But RTE have been absolutely spamming the **** out of it all week, so fair play. Credit where its due.

    Ciara Kelly covered it today.

    A steroid user phoned in to defend the use of steroids and did more to turn people off the idea of them than any program I reckon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,973 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sponsored/20x20/20x20-why-promoting-female-role-models-in-sport-matters-1.3714915

    Not the worst thing for companies to support just it's a bit irritating how often gender-specific initiatives focus on females compared to males.

    But, is it not the case that in most cases, this is because there is a very clear gap between the numbers competing and this is an effort to correct the imbalance?

    Can you think of a specific thing which there should be to encourage more male participation at it?

    I'm not doubting your point, I'm curious in what area you'd like to see men encouraged to participate more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Thats great to hear guys :), credit were its due to be fair.

    Steroids are fairly ****ed up, anecdotally every time i hear the likes of a wrestler dying young most time its due to the side effects of steroids (enlarged heart ect).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    But, is it not the case that in most cases, this is because there is a very clear gap between the numbers competing and this is an effort to correct the imbalance?

    Can you think of a specific thing which there should be to encourage more male participation at it?

    I'm not doubting your point, I'm curious in what area you'd like to see men encouraged to participate more.

    Depends on what we are talking about if its sport or just in general. If it was me one of the things i would be pushing men towards is the likes of teaching ect.

    There are in fact quite a number of areas where men are not represented well but it seemingly is ok.

    Whats even worse for men/boys is the forced participation in certain areas, like making the likes of home economics mandatory. Which in itself doesnt sound bad but when its been sold as a way to balance out the genders they can **** right off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Interview with the head of Google Ireland in the Irish Times today:
    Google was already active in the diversity and inclusion space before this, she adds. "We were among the first companies to publish diversity to statistics and female representation has gone up significantly in the past 5 years. There is no one thing you can do to solve this overnight. We are focused on helping and promoting and supporting underrepresented groups."

    Sounds to me that all things being equal, it might be seen as acceptable in Google to tend to employ and promote a female candidate over a male candidate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Thats great to hear guys :), credit were its due to be fair.

    Steroids are fairly ****ed up, anecdotally every time i hear the likes of a wrestler dying young most time its due to the side effects of steroids (enlarged heart ect).


    I've been saying this for years even on this very forum and got regularly dismissed - the pressure to "look a certain way" is not something that exclusively affects women, quite the contrary in fact: the "ideal male body" is actually more unrealistic than the female one, unless you literally lived in the gym eating nothing but steroids breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Lads as young as 15 pumping lurid sh1t in their system to "get big", skipping meals for days to look "shredded", exercising to exhaustion every single day ain't exactly new, I've seen it happening for the last 10 years, yet gets completely ignored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,973 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    I've been saying this for years, even on this very forum - the pressure to "look a certain way" is not something that exclusively affects women, quite the contrary in fact: the "ideal male body" is actually more unrealistic than the female one - unless you literally lived in the gym eating steroids breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Lads as young as 15 pumping lurid sh1t in their system to "get big", skipping meals for days to look "shredded", exercising to exhaustion every single day ain't exactly new, I've seen it happening for the last 10 years, yet gets completely ignored.

    I heard some form of personal trainer/fitness guy speaking about steroid use on the radio a few months ago. He outlined the conversation he was having with young lads about steroids. (I'm paraphrasing slightly here)

    Fitness guy: Why are you taking steroids
    Young lad: To get big.
    Fitness guy: Why?
    Young lad: To look good?
    Fitness guy: Why?
    Young lad: To get girls?
    Fitness guy: Why?
    Young lad: To have sex
    Fitness guy: What good is it getting a girl if your d*ck doesn't work?
    Young lad: ..........................

    I'd imagine that would be a fairly loud wake up call if you trusted the guy telling you.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    seamus wrote: »
    Whatever about men's issues being ignored by the media, RTE have a documentary about steroid abuse in men at the moment. It's reaching epidemic proportions and nobody is talking about it.

    But RTE have been absolutely spamming the **** out of it all week, so fair play. Credit where its due.

    It was covered* in July because of an inquest a young guy (18) who died. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/brain-swelling-from-use-of-steroid-caused-boys-death-472631.html Poor lad.

    *And also because seizure of steroids have gone through the roof. https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/the-rise-of-steroid-use-irish-men-are-feeling-pressure-to-get-a-ripped-love-island-body-37138637.html


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    I've been saying this for years even on this very forum and got regularly dismissed - the pressure to "look a certain way" is not something that exclusively affects women, quite the contrary in fact: the "ideal male body" is actually more unrealistic than the female one, unless you literally lived in the gym eating nothing but steroids breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Lads as young as 15 pumping lurid sh1t in their system to "get big", skipping meals for days to look "shredded", exercising to exhaustion every single day ain't exactly new, I've seen it happening for the last 10 years, yet gets completely ignored.
    I hope not because you can eat a pretty large amount of the right kind of food and still look shredded. If they were skipping meals they would look more emaciated than shredded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    silverharp wrote: »
    Genuine concern or just bloated colleges running out of students and see their jobs on the line?


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6474985/Universities-setting-targets-recruit-white-male-students-numbers-fell.html





    The progressives wont like that
    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1073526570323771392


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    (UK)
    Watchdog bans 'harmful' gender stereotypes in adverts
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46558944


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba



    From 2013, but I've only came across it now.
    I believe the laws would be similar in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,336 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That Swedish music festival has been found to have discriminated.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/statement-festival-man-free-women-only-discrimination-ruling-a8690116.html

    "In a Facebook post, Statement Festival responded: “It’s sad that what 5,000 women, non-binaries and transgender experienced as a life-changing festival, made a few cis-men lose it completely"

    I think there should be a ban on calling men cis-men or the very least €20 for the severed head of anyone who uses the phrase in a Garda Station..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    That Swedish music festival has been found to have discriminated.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/statement-festival-man-free-women-only-discrimination-ruling-a8690116.html

    "In a Facebook post, Statement Festival responded: “It’s sad that what 5,000 women, non-binaries and transgender experienced as a life-changing festival, made a few cis-men lose it completely"

    I think there should be a ban on calling men cis-men or the very least €20 for the severed head of anyone who uses the phrase in a Garda Station..

    Holding all men responsible for the 'newcomers' inability to control themselves.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    backspin. wrote: »
    Holding all men responsible for the 'newcomers' inability to control themselves.

    Nothing to do with immigration imo. More a case of inventing issues to be offended by. These people are loons


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    I just heard an academic from here on RTE Radio One. I wasn't sure whether I heard the title correctly so looked it up.

    Not very surprising, but there isn't much male/female gender balance/diversity among either the staff or the students

    NUIG Centre for Global Women's Studies

    People
    http://www.nuigalway.ie/globalwomensstudies/people/

    http://www.nuigalway.ie/globalwomensstudies/ethos/
    Participants in the MA Programme 2015/16 at The Mary Robinson Centre, Ballina


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 66 ✭✭pablo39er


    iptba wrote: »

    Not very surprising, but there isn't much male/female gender balance/diversity among either the staff or the students

    Have you ever noticed when it comes to 'tolerance' and 'diversity', the intolerance for any diversity from approved opinions ?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Diversity generally consists of a group of middle class white girls with a token brown girl. Diversity of opinion is not tolerated (tolerable).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 66 ✭✭pablo39er


    backspin. wrote: »
    Holding all men responsible for the 'newcomers' inability to control themselves.

    All men are high potential rapists. Thankfully all Irish schoolboys in future are soon going to be sent on compulsory how not to rape women re-education thought control courses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
    (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

    #votail100
    https://twitter.com/labour/status/1073553534828859392
    https://twitter.com/BrendanHowlin/status/1073586242829344769
    Got this as a promoted post (i.e. paid-for ad)
    https://twitter.com/creativeirl/status/1073622393984184320

    #PoliticsNeedsWomen

    #WhyNotAWoman
    https://twitter.com/Claire_McGing/status/1073902396269649920
    https://twitter.com/Linda__Connolly/status/1073891284069302272


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    (Continued)
    #WhyNotAWoman (Continued)
    https://twitter.com/Chealy_/status/1073903571001856000
    https://twitter.com/vipjeannie/status/1073884703034368000

    #stupidwoman
    Jeremy Corbyn is alleged to have called Theresa May a stupid woman under his breath though it seems this is in doubt:
    https://twitter.com/Sargent_Sellers/status/1075442258000912384
    https://twitter.com/SusanaMedina_/status/1075398091166179328
    https://twitter.com/Deaf/status/1075396470352867328

    #ITSportswoman
    The Irish Times Sport Ireland Sportswoman of the year 2018


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,973 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    iptba wrote: »
    Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
    (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

    Not being flippant, but what is wrong with those? They are all fairly topical items; given the 100 year anniversary of women getting the vote, the Jeremy Corbyn thing which became a big thing only because the conservatives took it to distract from Brexit for a day and the sportswomen of the year award is a relevant and timely publication.

    Male sports events trend on Twitter pretty much daily, don't think we can argue that men are being kept down in that respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Rather than cherry pick, I try to just post all gender-related trends I see. Some may be interesting, some perhaps not, I'm not claiming are all. I think some of the ones I have posted since I started have been interesting enough for some people to comment.

    Edited to add:
    I did see ladies GAA trend recently, can't remember the exact hashtag maybe #lgfa, but it didn't seem specific enough to highlight as there is a similar championship for men. There are so many individual matches and sports events that trend on Twitter (mainly male, but sometimes there are female ones) that it would drown everything else out to list them. It would also be a bit of work.

    There isn't an Irish Times award for sportsman of the month nor an annual award so I thought it might be worth highlighting the trend.

    I highlighted "international women's day" trends that doesn't mean there is no "international men's day", and indeed I highlighted that trend also when it happened. Sometimes there are complementary events or initiatives like this, but very often there are not.

    Certainly sometimes it can be argued that when there are some initiatives just for one gender, like the sports award, it might be justified. But seeing the sheer number of initiatives there are for women can be interesting, I think.

    I think I was challenged at one stage when I said there were loads of trends relating to women that I might be imagining it or biased in what I was seeing. So that was part of the reason I decided to document it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    This question and reply from Quora popped up in my inbox:
    How badly were Protestants treated in the Republic of Ireland after it got independence?
    https://www.quora.com/How-badly-were-Protestants-treated-in-the-Republic-of-Ireland-after-it-got-independence
    Nevertheless, Kew Records Office notes that 24 Protestants were killed in the first six months of 1921. While this might not seem very many there were not that many to kill and having got rid of the father and eldest son the whole family got the message and left. They were not always killed someone posted on Quora his grandparents were given 24 hours to get out by “DeValera’s men” and did. I asked for details but he did not reply.

    Another reply refers to the Dunmanway killings:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunmanway_killings
    The Dunmanway killings, also known as the Dunmanway murders or the Dunmanway massacre, refers to the killing (and in some cases, disappearances) of thirteen Protestant men and boys in and around Dunmanway, County Cork, between 26–28 April 1922. This happened in a period of truce after the end of the Irish War of Independence (in July 1921) and before the outbreak of the Irish Civil War in June 1922. All the dead and missing were Protestants,[3] which has led to the killings being described as sectarian. Six were killed as purported British informers and loyalists,[4][5] while four others were relatives killed in the absence of the target. Three other men were kidnapped and executed in Bandon as revenge for the killing of an IRA officer Michael O'Neill during an armed raid. One man was shot and survived his injuries.[1][6]

    Of course, there were different problems for women in general also in the period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Arlene Harris: 'When did it become ok to slate mothers for having sons, and to treat boys as being somehow inferior?'
    https://www.independent.ie/life/arlene-harris-when-did-it-become-ok-to-slate-mothers-for-having-sons-and-to-treat-boys-as-being-somehow-inferior-37693049.html

    This touches on lots of issues, though does jump about a lot: I would have preferred a closer look at fewer issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
    (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

    #WomensChristmas
    #NollaignamBan
    mBan
    https://twitter.com/RareIrishStuff/status/1081918498681569280
    https://twitter.com/HerstoryIreland/status/1081932222997901312

    #womensinspire
    @WomensInspireIE
    Support for #FemaleEntrepreneurs Founded by @Tweetinggoddess - Join us https://www.womensinspirenetwork.com/membership Let's grow together

    #WithoutWomenMenWould
    Involved quite a lot of insulting comments about men

    #SeeHer
    @seeher2020
    Official Twitter for #SeeHer. The movement to accurately portray all women and girls in media

    #Gillette
    #GilletteAd
    "New Gillette ad challenges men to take responsibility for their actions."
    https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1084930790390198274
    https://twitter.com/LonelyGoomba/status/1084947691250114560
    https://twitter.com/PeteHegseth/status/1084878343223296003


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    I had to laugh at a few of those "fight for..." slogans. "Girlcott" - feminist version of a Boycott. Lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    That ****e looks like it was state funded, what a joke lol but not surprising from this government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    I wasn't sure which thread to post this to. Maybe not that exciting.
    Do women really need ‘gentlemen’?
    Tuesday, February 05, 2019 - 12:00 AM

    Aileen O'Reilly and Suzanne Harrington give us their views on how 'gentlemen' fit in to modern society.

    Who should foot the bill for dinner on Valentine’s night? The gentleman, of course, says Aileen O’Reilly.

    Ladies, make no mistake. It is not a matter of ‘needing’ gentlemen. It’s far more a matter of having enough self-respect to know we deserve them.

    Yes, I expect doors to be held open for me. Yes, I expect the man to at least offer to pay for dinner. Yes, I expect to be offered a seat if I’m standing on a crowded bus or train and, yes, I expect my bags to be carried, if they’re heavy, and I make absolutely no apology for it.

    Why? Because I was brought up being told I was worth it; anything less than this is boorish behaviour.

    Continues at:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/features/do-women-really-need-gentlemen-902217.html
    ---
    I read a "joke" recently and the punchline was basically that a man was describing his wife cutting the grass rather than doing it himself. It's interesting that some/many (?) people still have expectations about what men should do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It rather encaspulates most of modern feminism tbh: grown adults with princess complexes who believe they "deserve" superior status. :rolleyes:

    It fits nicely with the entitled spoiled brat persona I've come to expect of thos professing to be feminists tbh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Sleepy wrote: »
    It rather encaspulates most of modern feminism tbh: grown adults with princess complexes who believe they "deserve" superior status. :rolleyes:

    It fits nicely with the entitled spoiled brat persona I've come to expect of thos professing to be feminists tbh

    Written so nice but savage lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    To be fair, if you read the whole article, it presents two polar opposite views. The first being a woman who considers herself a feminist but still wants men to treat her the way her Daddy used to.

    The second being a feminist who just wants to be treated as an equal, directly contradicting the first.

    So it's a bit unfair to represent the whole article as a hot take on why feminism is "broken".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, if you read the whole article, it presents two polar opposite views. The first being a woman who considers herself a feminist but still wants men to treat her the way her Daddy used to.

    The second being a feminist who just wants to be treated as an equal, directly contradicting the first.

    So it's a bit unfair to represent the whole article as a hot take on why feminism is "broken".
    Would two spokespeople for a movement holding directly contradictory views about the very aims of that movement not represent a broken movement to you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭DamoKen


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, if you read the whole article, it presents two polar opposite views. The first being a woman who considers herself a feminist but still wants men to treat her the way her Daddy used to.

    The second being a feminist who just wants to be treated as an equal, directly contradicting the first.

    So it's a bit unfair to represent the whole article as a hot take on why feminism is "broken".

    It could be argued that the overall contrary nature of feminism is one of it's most enduring strengths.

    It's practically a truism at this stage that one feminists views are not representative of all.

    This then removes accountability when all any need do when questioned on anything a bit dodgy is say that's not what feminism means to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Would two spokespeople for a movement holding directly contradictory views about the very aims of that movement not represent a broken movement to you?
    Well no. Feminism isn't a single entity or organisation. And the two women giving their opinion are not spokespeople for it.

    Feminism itself is an ideology, and like any ideology it can be subject to interpretation (and misinterpretation). The men's rights "movement" has exactly the same issue. Many individuals who consider themselves crusaders for men's rights, singing from very different hymn sheets.

    If these two women were both senior leaders of the WCI and presenting pieces like this, then it would certainly suggest something broken in the WCI.

    But two self-identified feminists having different ideas on feminism means is no more strange than two psychologists disagreeing over a patient.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    seamus wrote: »
    Well no. Feminism isn't a single entity or organisation. And the two women giving their opinion are not spokespeople for it.

    Feminism itself is an ideology, and like any ideology it can be subject to interpretation (and misinterpretation). The men's rights "movement" has exactly the same issue. Many individuals who consider themselves crusaders for men's rights, singing from very different hymn sheets.

    If these two women were both senior leaders of the WCI and presenting pieces like this, then it would certainly suggest something broken in the WCI.

    But two self-identified feminists having different ideas on feminism means is no more strange than two psychologists disagreeing over a patient.
    That's a fair point.. except the topic raised in the article is one of the central themes of feminism.. equality. One supposed feminists views in the article go completely against what feminism is supposed to stand for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    seamus wrote: »
    Well no. Feminism isn't a single entity or organisation. And the two women giving their opinion are not spokespeople for it.

    Feminism itself is an ideology, and like any ideology it can be subject to interpretation (and misinterpretation). The men's rights "movement" has exactly the same issue. Many individuals who consider themselves crusaders for men's rights, singing from very different hymn sheets.

    If these two women were both senior leaders of the WCI and presenting pieces like this, then it would certainly suggest something broken in the WCI.

    But two self-identified feminists having different ideas on feminism means is no more strange than two psychologists disagreeing over a patient.
    That's kind of the point: the term "feminist" is meaningless and should be relegated to history with those identifying as such separated into the varying groups they actually are "egalitarians", "misandrists", "anti-transe rights", "female supremacist", "female rights advocates", "haridans who like to shout at other women for their choices" ETC.

    Odd that you'd raise the WCI as an example of "feminist spokespeople" since they'd largely fall into the "female supremacist" wing of feminism...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    I laughed at the first woman in the Examiner bit "my mother was what you'd call a 'spitfire'."
    I can think of many other synonyms for "spitfire" too...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭iptba


    Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
    (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

    #WomensMarch2019
    #WomensWave
    Women's marches take place around the world

    #WomensAwards
    Irish Women’s Awards 2019
    Celebrating outstanding women's achievements
    http://thewomensawards.info/

    #womensinspire

    #womeninleadership
    https://twitter.com/betaphotography/status/1093441391068364800
    https://twitter.com/ArthurCoxLaw/status/1093449459873300480
    https://twitter.com/JennMariaKelly/status/1093512442464788480

    "international day"
    International Day of Women & Girls in Science

    #WomenInScience

    #WomenInSTEM

    #iwish19
    @IWish_ie
    Multi award winning Irish #STEM showcase which has already given Choices, Chances, Changes to over 11,000 girls. 7 to 12 Feb 2019 #iwish19 #womeninstem


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Sleepy wrote: »
    That's kind of the point: the term "feminist" is meaningless and should be relegated to history with those identifying as such separated into the varying groups they actually are "egalitarians", "misandrists", "anti-transe rights", "female supremacist", "female rights advocates", "haridans who like to shout at other women for their choices" ETC.

    Odd that you'd raise the WCI as an example of "feminist spokespeople" since they'd largely fall into the "female supremacist" wing of feminism...

    Well, feminism is seeing sexism in the fashion of a hierarchal relationship between men and women where women are in a negative position. And, irregardless of the latter comment, it does see sexism as hierarchal.

    So, I'm not sure egalitarians are actually feminists?


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