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04-11-2019, 16:51   #1
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Mice in apartment, landlord won't close gaps

I am renting an apartment which has recently been entered by mice. Pest control has been called by the mgmt company, they have set poison and detected a few gaps in walls and floors that are very likely to be the source of the infestation (I have discovered a few more after the inspection). They have recommended sealing those gaps as soon as possible.

The landlord is refusing to seal the gaps on the grounds that this has been an isolated incident as of today, and it might be expensive to do the works. He claims that the apartment is compliant to regulations and inhabitable - despite I have seen mice in my bedroom a few nights ago.

What are my rights here? Is there a way I can compel him to have the apartment proofed, and quickly?
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I am renting an apartment which has recently been entered by mice. Pest control has been called by the mgmt company, they have set poison and detected a few gaps in walls and floors that are very likely to be the source of the infestation (I have discovered a few more after the inspection). They have recommended sealing those gaps as soon as possible.

The landlord is refusing to seal the gaps on the grounds that this has been an isolated incident as of today, and it might be expensive to do the works. He claims that the apartment is compliant to regulations and inhabitable - despite I have seen mice in my bedroom a few nights ago.

What are my rights here? Is there a way I can compel him to have the apartment proofed, and quickly?
Hi, i had this issue and plugged the gaps with tinfoil, got one of those repellent plugs and have had no issue since.
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How obvious are the gaps? Are they hidden places, like around pipes under sinks, etc that can't normally be seen? If so, I'd go to the hardware shop and buy some wire wool, expanding foam, and stuff the gaps with those. If you haven't used expanding foam before, it really does expand - just use a tiny bit at a time, or you'll have it all over half the house. Once it sets, trim off excess with a blade.

Obviously if they're big structural holes that can be seen it won't work.
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got one of those repellent plugs and have had no issue since.
If getting one of these, get a random pattern one as the (not huge) affect they have is very time limited if they are either constant or set on/off patterns.
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How obvious are the gaps? Are they hidden places, like around pipes under sinks, etc that can't normally be seen? If so, I'd go to the hardware shop and buy some wire wool, expanding foam, and stuff the gaps with those. If you haven't used expanding foam before, it really does expand - just use a tiny bit at a time, or you'll have it all over half the house. Once it sets, trim off excess with a blade.

Obviously if they're big structural holes that can be seen it won't work.
It's a mix. Some of them are in walls and visible - I have plugged them with plaster filler. Others are in the floors below storage heaters and in the closets where the water pipes came in - I have used wire wool and expanding foam as you suggest. There is a gap where the (new, smaller) extractor fan connects to the (old, larger) tube going out of the ceiling which I guess I can plug similarly. The real problem is some large holes in the wall under the kitchen sink and cupboards which are not easily reachable. It is possible that it is necessary to disassemble at least some of the cupboards to get there and do a proper job.

Also I am spending time and money to do something which I believe should be my landlord's responsibility, which is irritating me a little bit.
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If getting one of these, get a random pattern one as the (not huge) affect they have is very time limited if they are either constant or set on/off patterns.
Also what age is OP?
My parents had the sonic repellent devices and all they did was keep me away as it was like intense tinnitus, everytime I was in the house.

Won't matter much in your 40's+ but will drive your kids demented.
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We filled the gaps with wire wool, the landlord was just spraying peppermint oil everywhere.
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Just a note- while its not nice having mice in the house- they never ever share a habitat with larger rodents (such as rats- as rats love eating mice) so if you have mice in the property its a good indication that you don't have any even less welcome visitors.

With respect of the suggestions- steel wool- which you can buy in large boxes- is the way to go.

Unfortunately, its that time of the year again.
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Quick fix - get a cat.
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Thanks all for the suggestions.

As said above I am using steel wool and expanding foam to close all the gaps I can get to. I am getting ultrasound repellent plugs but I have read that they indeed have effect for a limited time. Cat is not an option as my wife is allergic.

My main issue is the gaps I can't reach and fill on my own, under the kitchen and (discovered this today) behind the hot water tank. For these it's likely that I'll need disassembling appliances and plumbing, which is work I'd rather leave to a professional.

So my questions are: is the landlord bound to get a professional and fix these? If the landlord is uncooperative, can I get a professional fix them and then legitimately expect him to refund me?
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So my questions are: is the landlord bound to get a professional and fix these? If the landlord is uncooperative, can I get a professional fix them and then legitimately expect him to refund me?
I don't think so.

The LL does have to remove rodents -and if there was an on-going problem then taking steps to prevent it would probably be required.

But all you have so far is a one-off event.

There is not a requirement to make the place 100% gap-proof. And even if there was, mice can still get in doors and windows.
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I don't think so.

The LL does have to remove rodents -and if there was an on-going problem then taking steps to prevent it would probably be required.

But all you have so far is a one-off event.

There is not a requirement to make the place 100% gap-proof. And even if there was, mice can still get in doors and windows.
Yeah I am not asking for 100% proofing. But I have received written recommendation by the pest control company to fix those gaps as soon as possible. Doesn't this impact the landlord's obligations in any way?

This is the first time it has happened in a few years, but the apartment complex is close to a few parks and kept like a garbage dump, so I can see this happening again.

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Quick fix - get a cat.
I need to have words with mine so

First mice invasion in nearly four years living in our house though, in fairness, maybe he is just getting lazy as he gets older.

Although I bought some of the ultrasonic plugins the day after they arrived and things have gone silent again (and these guys were noisy buggers) - I'd like to think it was because the devices were very effective but I don't think I'd be so lucky that they'd voluntarily leave less than 24 hours after they arrived...
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Jaysus how many gaps do you have?
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Jaysus how many gaps do you have?
Cracks at the base of the wall in hot press and under the kitchen, gaps where the water pipes come in, gaps in a few places between windows and walls, gaps in the floorboards where storage heaters are mounted, holes in a wall where a curtain rod was mounted, gap where the extractor fan is attached to its chimney.


Most of them are probably harmless and some I have already plugged. Sadly the most complicated to fix seem to be the ones where the infestation came in.
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