Hall of Fame 2019

sirmanga · 28-03-2019 3:18pm

WWE are running out of people to induct into the Hall of Fame.
They should begin inducting matches, e.g. Stone Cold vs Bret at Mania 13, Taker vs Michaels at Mania 25 etc.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induct songs, so I don't see why WWE can't induct matches.

Necro · 28-03-2019 4:10pm

sirmanga wrote:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induct songs, so I don't see why WWE can't induct matches.

Fair point. It does seem like they're just doubling up on the already inducted people now.

Question, has The Rock been inducted yet? I cant honestly remember.

The debate over inductees is fairly robust as is. Imagine they started inducting matches :pac:

briany · 28-03-2019 4:20pm

Necro wrote: »

The debate over inductees is fairly robust as is. Imagine they started inducting matches :pac:

Maybe not matches, but great feuds/programs would be worth a shout. I think the crowd would pop for the Austin/McMahon feud getting a bit more play, for example. The good thing about it would be you could induct more than one feud, but feature the one that has both performers still alive and willing to appear on the stage together, and they can slip back into cutting promos on each other, disagreeing about who got the better of who etc.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 28-03-2019 4:40pm

That would only serve to remind us how great the product was (in the top feuds) and how poor it is now

gerrybbadd · 28-03-2019 4:46pm

sirmanga wrote: »

WWE are running out of people to induct into the Hall of Fame.
They should begin inducting matches, e.g. Stone Cold vs Bret at Mania 13, Taker vs Michaels at Mania 25 etc.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induct songs, so I don't see why WWE can't induct matches.

I've heard it rumoured in the past that they were going to do this. They've some back catalogue they can trawl through. Should it be exclusively mania matches?

sirmanga · 28-03-2019 4:51pm

The problem with inducting feuds over matches is that feuds in wrestling kind of go in and out, sometimes there's no real end, or it may fizzle out, or go on too long. Or they may pick up again a few months or years later.
With a match, it's just one thing. One great match.

Maybe they could even have it be genuinely voted on by WWE wrestlers. Have a list of 10, and the HOF match could be announced on the night of the ceremony. Have it be a surprise, like the Oscars.

Although, I'm sure Vince would insist on it not being up to a vote. He would want the final say.

sirmanga · 28-03-2019 5:07pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Should it be exclusively mania matches?

No, if they were to do it, it should be wide open. Even to other promotions, like WCW, ECW, AWA etc. Just like the Hall of Fame is currently.

But maybe have a rule that the match must be at least 10 years old. That would stop any possible talk of someone having a match, and right afterwards fans suggesting it should be inducted the very next year.
It would also be a treat for long time fans when the tenth anniversary of a great match is coming up, such as Taker vs Michaels at Mania 25. "Oh such and such a match is 10 years old this year, it's eligible for the Hall of Fame" etc.
However, I don't think WWE has the patience for that. Sometimes it seems they think their fans have a short attention span.

Although, maybe the matches in the HOF thing isn't such a good idea. It would undoubtedly lead to an irritating crowd chant of "Hall of Fame! Hall of Fame!" during any decent to good match taking place, similar to the "This is Awesome" chant (which, incidentally, does seem to be dying off).

Necro · 28-03-2019 5:18pm

Punk VS Cena at Money in the Bank would be another good shout. Wonder should we start another thread as it's a cool topic to discuss.

sirmanga · 28-03-2019 5:21pm

Necro wrote: »

Punk VS Cena at Money in the Bank would be another good shout. Wonder should we start another thread as it's a cool topic to discuss.

What would you think about matches that hold historical significance but weren't worth a lot in terms of ring work? Such as Hogan/Andre? It's a terrible match, but one of the most famous wrestling matches ever.

CastorTroy · 28-03-2019 5:49pm

But so is the Montreal Screwjob. Should that be eligible?

Necro · 28-03-2019 5:49pm

sirmanga wrote:

What would you think about matches that hold historical significance but weren't worth a lot in terms of ring work? Such as Hogan/Andre? It's a terrible match, but one of the most famous wrestling matches ever.

Yeah it probably, if it were to happen, deserves a slot. I think matches with iconic moments are definitely on the table for discussion at the very least.
Then there's multi man matches, gimmick matches etc.

Eg the first TLC between Dudley's, E&C and Hardy's.
Or Edge VS Foley at Mania.

dusty bin · 28-03-2019 5:51pm

sirmanga wrote: »

What would you think about matches that hold historical significance but weren't worth a lot in terms of ring work? Such as Hogan/Andre? It's a terrible match, but one of the most famous wrestling matches ever.

I dont think it should. I realise it is a famous match, but isnt it just famous for the bodyslam more than anything else? And maybe Andre getting pinned for the first time ever. Apart from that, its a horrible match to rewatch. Steamboat v macho man from the same show would be hall of fame worthy in my mind.

Actually I dont think they should add any matches. Too many problems.
What about main the wrestlemania 20 main event? At the time, it was my favourite match of all time, with all 3 wrestlers putting on a great show. Same goes for the 2003 royal rumble main event. An excellent match. Alas, neither can be watched in the same way ever again for obvious reasons. Would e&c/dudleys and hardys have multiple entrants from their ladder and TLC days?

ps, this is obviously my own opinion. Last year the triple threat smackdown womens match got moty by lots of organisations, when I thought becky v charlotte @ evolution was better than the triple threat.

sirmanga · 28-03-2019 5:53pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

But so is the Montreal Screwjob. Should that be eligible?

That was actually a pretty exciting match, even without what happened at the end.

But the Montreal Screwjob is remembered more as an infamous event instead of a famous match, like Hogan vs Andre. Therefore, I don't think it would be in the discussion for such a HOF.

gerrybbadd · 29-03-2019 1:00am

First Hell in the Cell. A cert if ever there was one.
Bret vs Shawn at Mania 12, Iron Man Match.
Shawn vs Cena on Raw (1hr match)
Brock vs Eddie for the title.

Omackeral · 29-03-2019 1:37am

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Bret vs Shawn at Mania 12, Iron Man Match.

Thought that was a bit boring tbh. A fall each would've made it exponentially better. It drags massively in the middle.

gerrybbadd · 29-03-2019 12:22pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Thought that was a bit boring tbh. A fall each would've made it exponentially better. It drags massively in the middle.

Nah bro. They needed to go 0-0. Neither one could outdo the other, they were so evenly matched. Required extra time to get it finished.

Had there been a fall each, there would have been weakness on display. Say Bret gets the first fall on Shawn after 30 mins. How does he sufficiently recover, not to be pinned again, for the next 30. This logic is missing from virtually all modern Iron man matches.

RollieFingers · 29-03-2019 1:18pm

The ten man tag from In Your House: Canadian Stampede has to be up there. Top class from start to finish with an absolutely electric atmosphere, some of the biggest names in wrestling, Austin against basically the whole nation of Canada

Rock/Hogan from 18 would have to go in too.

dusty bin · 29-03-2019 2:08pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

Rock/Hogan from 18 would have to go in too.

I remember rushing everyone out of the pub that night in order to get back to a viewing party, cos it was the rock v hogan. But it wasnt a great match in all fairness. Hogan was well past it, then again, I cant think of any of his matches I would class as HOF worthy. If anything, it was memorable for the crowd turning on the rock and for supporting hogan.

Omackeral · 29-03-2019 5:15pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Nah bro. They needed to go 0-0. Neither one could outdo the other, they were so evenly matched. Required extra time to get it finished.

Had there been a fall each, there would have been weakness on display. Say Bret gets the first fall on Shawn after 30 mins. How does he sufficiently recover, not to be pinned again, for the next 30. This logic is missing from virtually all modern Iron man matches.

You could easily tell a story over an hour that keeps them easily matched but lets them drop a fall each. Tiredness becoming a factor for the older Bret, the grand stage getting to new main eventer Shawn. Focus drifting from either competitor. Even something like one of them viciously taking a DQ for the bigger picture thinking they could injure theor opponent for two falls. I don't know, I found the start and end decent but there's a massive lull in the middle for me.

I agree with you on your point though about people having matches that end 6-7 etc. Don't like that.

gerrybbadd · 01-04-2019 5:46pm

Brutal "the Booty" Crapcake finally confirmed.

Here was me hoping it was an April Fool's prank.

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1112746462289510405

Agent Coulson · 01-04-2019 6:03pm

To be fair Beefcake was a huge part of the Rock and Wrestling of the 80's.

Since they are giving out second rings for fun these days guys like Beefcake deserve at least one.

ERG89 · 01-04-2019 6:34pm

Can't remember a more underwhelming Hall of Fame class.
Would it not have made sense to put Batista in?

Blue_Dabadee · 01-04-2019 7:32pm

Memories of playing Smackdown Vs Raw and wondering who is this guy.

Rock Lesnar · 01-04-2019 7:34pm

Now they have their reason to bring Hogan in, brother

CastorTroy · 01-04-2019 7:55pm

Wasn't it his window that Jannetty tried to escape through?

Agent Coulson · 03-04-2019 5:47pm

Disappointed Beefcake didn't get a highlight reel video package.

ERG89 · 03-04-2019 6:10pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Disappointed Beefcake didn't get a highlight reel video package.

Shows how much it actually means tbh

This is close enough

sirmanga · 03-04-2019 6:38pm

ERG89 wrote: »

Can't remember a more underwhelming Hall of Fame class.
Would it not have made sense to put Batista in?

I get what you mean, but on paper this is one of the greatest Hall of Fame classes ever, when you break down the individuals going in.

Bret Hart, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Booker T, Honky Tonk Man.

And yes, I do include Honky Tonk Man as one of the greatest because he was over huge. He couldn't do five star matches, but that doesn't matter. We have great matches every week these days and I couldn't be less interested in the characters.

RollieFingers · 05-04-2019 10:37am

Amongst others, Bruiser Brody and Luna Vachon have been announced for the Hall of Fame legacy wing. You could argue that both deserve to be in the Hall of Fame proper, Luna in particular was fairly prominent for a lot of the 90s. Brody barely appeared in WWE, was apparently blacklisted after an argument with Gorilla Monsoon. His stuff is pretty legendary though, some bloody battles on the network against Terry Gordy and Abdullah the Butcher well worth checking out.

Agent Coulson · 05-04-2019 2:30pm

Quickly running out of WWF/E name value guys to put into the HoF to be honest.

Agent Coulson · 05-04-2019 2:45pm

One from my childhood also going into the Legacy Wing.......Jobber to the stars SD Jones.

Hopefully the likes of Barry Horowitz & Iron Mike Sharpe get in too and they were a huge part of wrestling in the 80's putting over the stars.

ERG89 · 05-04-2019 3:01pm

Agent Coulson wrote:

Quickly running out of WWF/E name value guys to put into the HoF to be honest.

Batista, Undertaker, The Rock, HHH, Cena, Jericho, Kane, Big Show, Vince himself.
Guys like Vader, Rvd, JBL, Bundy, Pillman, Bulldog, Christian, the Hardy's, Paul Heyman, Owen Hart, Luger, Cornette, IRS, the Steiners
There are tons who deserve to be in but some clearly won't get in. No surprise they distanced themselves from Brody being a bigger inductee as they don't want people discussing his death.

sky88 · 06-04-2019 9:51pm

God that’s rough for torrie on what should be a great night for her

https://twitter.com/wwe/status/1114629388677599232?s=21

cena · 06-04-2019 10:24pm

What time does this start Irish time

sky88 · 06-04-2019 10:31pm

The ring set up looks awesome

https://twitter.com/wwegames/status/1114640839903457285?s=21

Mr.Nice Guy · 06-04-2019 10:35pm

That's awful for Torrie Wilson.

I remember the Dawn Marie/Al stuff on Smackdown being amusing. Dunno if that's the passing of time playing tricks on me and if it was worse than I remember but I can recall the commentary from Cole and Tazz: "Look at Dawn!", "Look at Al!", "Look at Dawn!", "Look at Al!"

Itssoeasy · 06-04-2019 10:48pm

Ah Christ that’s awful news on Torrie’s dad dying. I mean on a week where she should be a very happy moment for her and her family clearly won’t be now.

I see chyna’s mother is at the HOF from pictures on Twitter. That’s a nice touch.

J. Marston · 06-04-2019 11:21pm

Lacey living the gimmick...

gerrybbadd · 06-04-2019 11:32pm

Kalisto's wife also living the gimmick, she's there in a mask with him on the red carpet

gerrybbadd · 06-04-2019 11:34pm

Good lord, Paige looks amazing there in the red carpet.

JP Liz V1 · 06-04-2019 11:37pm

Corbin is like Boy George

Itssoeasy · 06-04-2019 11:43pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Kalisto's wife also living the gimmick, she's there in a mask with him on the red carpet

I saw that and thats fair enough but who was the lad in the glasses next to kalisto’s wife ?

Itssoeasy · 06-04-2019 11:45pm

The new set up using the ring has all the signs of taking the pressure off the ring crew for mania weekend. It saves them taking down and putting it back up again before Monday.

PTH2009 · 06-04-2019 11:52pm

**** me Mizs dad is wooden

Are the NWO in the hall of fame ??

Will the brothers of destruction go in as a team before Kane/Taker individually

sirmanga · 06-04-2019 11:55pm

God, what is it with all these otherwise beautiful women with the big fish lips and the puffy cheeks.

gerrybbadd · 06-04-2019 11:56pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I saw that and thats fair enough but who was the lad in the glasses next to kalisto’s wife ?

They said it was his cousin.

PTH2009 · 07-04-2019 12:07am

sky88 wrote: »

God that’s rough for torrie on what should be a great night for her

https://twitter.com/wwe/status/1114629388677599232?s=21

Very sad and freaky given his storyline death and the real life timing of his death on the day his daughter is going in the hall of fame

gerrybbadd · 07-04-2019 12:14am

Honky hasn't aged since the 80s

sky88 · 07-04-2019 12:21am

Who’s in between Shawn and booker?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv7p8OUl4dH/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=140zwx80b4oqn

sirmanga · 07-04-2019 12:25am

Shawn would want to start acting like a grown up and get rid of the hats and bandanas. You're bald Shawn. Nobody cares!
A cowboy hat at the Hall of Fame. What a twerp.

Hall of Fame 2019

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