Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

nephster · 10-10-2016 4:23pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

When replacing the existing analogue timer/on off switch is there a way to leave a manual on off in conjunction with the relay for the wireless thermostat?

Should be. Have a look at the boiler manual - mine had (unused) contacts for a thermostat. The relay supplements the timer, rather than replacing it, in that case.

Be aware you can just turn the heat on with the wireless thermostat and/or your phone for a boost. That's mainly what we wanted it for TBH, to act as a wireless switch.

Kirk Van Houten · 10-10-2016 4:58pm

nephster wrote:

Should be. Have a look at the boiler manual - mine had (unused) contacts for a thermostat. The relay supplements the timer, rather than replacing it, in that case.

nephster wrote:

Be aware you can just turn the heat on with the wireless thermostat and/or your phone for a boost. That's mainly what we wanted it for TBH, to act as a wireless switch.

Cheers. Just want to make sure I can manually turn on the heating even if the WiFi is down.

nephster · 10-10-2016 5:29pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Just want to make sure I can manually turn on the heating even if the WiFi is down.

The thermostat and relay communicate via RF, not through wi-fi. Wi-fii is how it communicates with the outside world - so, for example, if you want to reprogramme its schedule.

Basically, it still works with wi-fi down to the prior schedule, you can still boost the heating on using it, you just can't *update* the schedule.

Prefect_1998 · 10-10-2016 6:44pm

quick question, we are getting the house rewired and replacing the thermostat on the gas boiler we have, its an older type but i want to get the netamo controller for it, is it the existing termostat that needs ot be compatable or the boiler itself?

i was going to get theEPH T17 put on then get energia to service the boiler to get the offer.

thanks

dubsaab · 10-10-2016 7:20pm

Dr.Winston O'Boogie wrote:

So has anyone who got the boiler service been told they will get the netamato as their boiler qualifies?

I had my boiler service today and was told I was good to go for Netatmo and I would be getting a call later this week to arrange the install.

Dubsaab

Winterlong · 11-10-2016 8:48am

danielle_door wrote: »

quick question, we are getting the house rewired and replacing the thermostat on the gas boiler we have, its an older type but i want to get the netamo controller for it, is it the existing termostat that needs ot be compatable or the boiler itself?

i was going to get theEPH T17 put on then get energia to service the boiler to get the offer.

thanks

No, it is the boiler that needs to be compatible. The Netamo can replace your existing thermo stat or can be wired directly to the boiler and you then set your old thermo to 'always on'....this gives the netamo full control via its own thermo.
Easiest should be to replace the existing thermo with the Netamo though. Have a look at the wiring going in to and out of the existing thermo and that should help define the best way to connect for you. If you are not sure then either do the energia deal or buy direct yourself and get an electricin to install.

Special Circumstances · 11-10-2016 8:57am

Ordered, thanks for the heads up OP.

Have a 3 channel programmer but the existing stats are crap and their location is worse.
Going to put the relay in/near the boiler cabinet and use the stat on a table stand in the room I actually want to be controlled.
Set applicable channel to always on, run the live for the zone valve through the netatmo relay instead of the existing stat.

At least that's how it seems it will work in my head... what could possibly go wrong?

whiterebel · 11-10-2016 2:15pm

Ok, I'm going around in circles here. My set up is gas boiler , no thermostats at all, running on a Horstmann timeclock.
3 zones - upstairs, downstairs, hot water on motorized valves.

Netatmo - Energia confused - say Netatmo doesn't do multizone - Netatmo's website says it does. They are checking.
Hive - doesn't do multizone, although additional thermostats work in the Uk and are available on Amazon.
Nest - very expensive, 2 x complete kits to do multizone, €500 plus fitting of €210.
Tado - looks good, but can't find anyone that installs it.

What I don't want to do is buy Netatmo and then find I can't add another thermostat, or pay massive money for the installation of a second nest. I have had two Irish companies suggested, EPH and Homegenius, but I think I'll give them a miss, they seem to be quite early stage with this.

Any suggestions?

Caillte · 11-10-2016 2:32pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Ok, I'm going around in circles here. My set up is gas boiler , no thermostats at all, running on a Horstmann timeclock.
3 zones - upstairs, downstairs, hot water on motorized valves.

Netatmo - Energia confused - say Netatmo doesn't do multizone - Netatmo's website says it does. They are checking.
Hive - doesn't do multizone, although additional thermostats work in the Uk and are available on Amazon.
Nest - very expensive, 2 x complete kits to do multizone, €500 plus fitting of €210.
Tado - looks good, but can't find anyone that installs it.

What I don't want to do is buy Netatmo and then find I can't add another thermostat, or pay massive money for the installation of a second nest. I have had two Irish companies suggested, EPH and Homegenius, but I think I'll give them a miss, they seem to be quite early stage with this.

Any suggestions?

Apply for an SEAI grant before you do any work.

whiterebel · 11-10-2016 2:37pm

Caillte wrote: »

Apply for an SEAI grant before you do any work.

Even though it has been zoned already?

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 2:41pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Ordered, thanks for the heads up OP.

Have a 3 channel programmer but the existing stats are crap and their location is worse.
Going to put the relay in/near the boiler cabinet and use the stat on a table stand in the room I actually want to be controlled.
Set applicable channel to always on, run the live for the zone valve through the netatmo relay instead of the existing stat.

At least that's how it seems it will work in my head... what could possibly go wrong?

That's what I have, three zones. Water on timer. Heating one and two both ALWAYS ON according to the timer so each is then controlled by a separate Netatmo.

Works perfectly.

Special Circumstances · 11-10-2016 2:46pm

White rebel - as I understand it Netatmo can handle upstairs/downstairs zones the same way as the Nest - you need a stat/relaybox pair per zone. The newest nest would handle hot water too I think. If you go Netatmo you would need to retain the horstmann timeclock for the hot water. I guess you actually do have a stat on the HW tank.

The next bit I'm not so sure about - I don't know what power your typical zone valve (2port, spring return valves in my case) draws. It may be too much for the netatmo to handle.
If the netatmo IS capable of switching that load without issue then you would route the live that your time clock currently sends to your timeclock through the netatmo relaybox rather than directly from timeclock to valve. (I'd really like if somebody else who has used one could confirm if a 230V zone valve can be switched with the relaybox)
If the netatmo ISN'T capable of switching that load directly without issue then you would route the live that your time clock currently sends to your timeclock through the a separately purchased suitably rated relay and use the netatmo relaybox to control that relay.

Caution - I am NOT an electrician or a plumber.

Special Circumstances · 11-10-2016 2:48pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

That's what I have, three zones. Water on timer. Heating one and two both ALWAYS ON according to the timer so each is then controlled by a separate Netatmo.

Works perfectly.

The netatmo is doing the zonevalve powering work of the pre-exisiting stat so I guess - do you know what type of valves you have? The switching capability of the netatmo seems to be MAX 0.5A @ 230V, so I'm just worried about what a typical 230V zone valve draws.

TheGreenMile · 11-10-2016 2:52pm

Success!!! Only because I got someone in who knew what they were doing. That said, it did confuse the qualified electrician initial. To return the gesture for the many replys of advice I risked messing up again by opening the wiring to show the connections between the mains to relay to boiler. The pictures attached might be of help for someone else with an oil burner. Luckily after my first episode my thermo didn't fry and works fine. That said I'll probably break it as I haven't stopped turning the heating on and off with my phone

BoatMad · 11-10-2016 2:54pm

single house thermostats are virtually useless in hot water systems . fit TRVs

Winterlong · 11-10-2016 3:03pm

TheGreenMile wrote: »

Success!!! Only because I got someone in who knew what they were doing. That said, it did confuse the qualified electrician initial. To return the gesture for the many replys of advice I risked messing up again by opening the wiring to show the connections between the mains to relay to boiler. The pictures attached might be of help for someone else with an oil burner. Luckily after my first episode my thermo didn't fry and works fine. That said I'll probably break it as I haven't stopped turning the heating on and off with my phone

Am I reading this correct?

Blue on Relay to Blue Neutral.
Brown on Relay to Brown live.
Grey on Relay to Call/Switched live
Black on Relay to Brown live.

TheGreenMile · 11-10-2016 3:09pm

Winterlong wrote: »

Am I reading this correct?

Blue on Relay to Blue Neutral.
Brown on Relay to Brown live.
Grey on Relay to Call/Switched live
Black on Relay to Brown live.

Iv no idea. I may as well be looking be looking into a bucket of ****e. I can post more pics or try my best to explain

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 3:12pm

BoatMad wrote: »

single house thermostats are virtually useless in hot water systems . fit TRVs

And on this subject, dumb TRVs aren't much good either.
If you don't want to fork over 80 euro per radiator for Netatmo's smart TRVS then I recommend the below.
I fitted these on most rads in the house, cut our oil consumption by a huge amount.

http://gasproducts.co.uk/terrier-i-temp-i30-programmable-radiator-control.html

TheGreenMile · 11-10-2016 3:12pm

More pics to clarify.

Winterlong · 11-10-2016 3:13pm

Those new pics are perfect! Thanks.

bk · 11-10-2016 3:24pm

BoatMad wrote: »

single house thermostats are virtually useless in hot water systems . fit TRVs

Well that is rather an unhelpful statement with little meaning behind it. TRV's are completely different to a thermostat (you still need a separate thermostat/timer, even if you have TRVs) and on their own, they can't be remotely commanded.

How are TRV's supposed to help you turn on the heating at home, just as you leave the office? Answer, they can't!

BTW Netatmo has wireless TRV's coming very soon that will connect to this Netatmo thermostat and can thus be remotely controlled. This will give you far greater level of control then old fashioned TRV's.

Also a person with a house that is already mutlizoned or an apartment probably wouldn't get much benefit out of TRV's. I have TRV's, but NEVER use them, however I heavily use my wifi thermostat.

OU812 · 11-10-2016 3:28pm

Really pissed off that I can't use this.

whiterebel · 11-10-2016 4:08pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

White rebel - as I understand it Netatmo can handle upstairs/downstairs zones the same way as the Nest - you need a stat/relaybox pair per zone. The newest nest would handle hot water too I think. If you go Netatmo you would need to retain the horstmann timeclock for the hot water. I guess you actually do have a stat on the HW tank.

The next bit I'm not so sure about - I don't know what power your typical zone valve (2port, spring return valves in my case) draws. It may be too much for the netatmo to handle.
If the netatmo IS capable of switching that load without issue then you would route the live that your time clock currently sends to your timeclock through the netatmo relaybox rather than directly from timeclock to valve. (I'd really like if somebody else who has used one could confirm if a 230V zone valve can be switched with the relaybox)
If the netatmo ISN'T capable of switching that load directly without issue then you would route the live that your time clock currently sends to your timeclock through the a separately purchased suitably rated relay and use the netatmo relaybox to control that relay.

Caution - I am NOT an electrician or a plumber.

Thanks, SC. I don't think there is any thermostat on the tank, and thats why I'm leaning toward the Nest. The Netatmo with the discounts from the OP is really good value, if I can find someone to fit them.

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 4:14pm

bk wrote: »

Also a person with a house that is already mutlizoned or an apartment probably wouldn't get much benefit out of TRV's. I have TRV's, but NEVER use them, however I heavily use my wifi thermostat.

Depends on your house and lifestyle I suppose.
I have living room, kitchen, sunroom and three bedrooms downstairs on one zone.
So programmable TRVs allow me to carve that up, bedroom TRVs set to 21 in the evening and first thing in the morning. Living room, kitchen etc set to 21 during the day.

Likewise, upstairs a couple of bedrooms and a home office. Bedrooms on at night and early morning but home office on during the day.

They have a place, it just depends on whether each of your zones cover multi-use, and mine unfortunately do.

bk · 11-10-2016 6:35pm

yllw.ldbttr, I agree with you 100%

TRV's can be very helpful to people with a large house, with lots of rooms and different uses.

But I was responding to BoatMad's off the cuff statement that thermostats like these aren't useful and that only TRV's are needed!

For every person with a massive house with lots of rooms, there are 5 people with a small house or apartment for whom TRV's are almost useless and for whom a wifi Thermostat is extremely useful.

I also think these thermostats are still useful even if you have a big house with lots of TRV's You still don't want to leave your heating on all day if you are out. Basic TRV's don't have timers and can't be remotely activated. It is still very useful to be able to go away for a week of skiing in winter, leave your heat off and to be able to turn it back on with your phone just a few hours before you get home, to arrive home to a nice warm house, without having to have left the heating on all week.

Also I say from my experience, basic dumb TRV's are a pain to use. It is relatively tricky to get the temperature balance on them right and you have to go manually adjust them in each room.

The TRV you recommend looks much better and easier to use and is a good recommendation.

However I think smart wireless TRV's linked to a Netatmo thermostat really is the future. So easy to use and control. Imagine deciding to go to bed early and just saying to your Amazon Echo "Alexa, increase temperature in bedroom to 21", nice

Systems like Netatmo + wireless TRV's are probably the future of multizone heating. Far more flexibility then your typical two zone system, being a true multizone system with a zone per room and much easier to use and control. All while probably costing about the same as a traditional multizone system.

But my point is that most people certainly don't need TRV's. A good Thermostat is the first and more important step IMO. I've TRV's, but don't use or need them, however I'll certainly be looking at these Netatmo TRV's with interest for family members with bigger homes.

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 6:46pm

bk wrote: »

yllw.ldbttr, I agree with you 100%

TRV's can be very helpful to people with a large house, with lots of rooms and different uses.

But I was responding to BoatMad's off the cuff statement that thermostats like these aren't useful and that only TRV's are needed!

For every person with a massive house with lots of rooms, there are 5 people with a small house or apartment for whom TRV's are almost useless and for whom a wifi Thermostat is extremely useful.

I also think these thermostats are still useful even if you have a big house with lots of TRV's You still don't want to leave your heating on all day if you are out. Basic TRV's don't have timers and can't be remotely activated. It is still very useful to be able to go away for a week of skiing in winter, leave your heat off and to be able to turn it back on with your phone just a few hours before you get home, to arrive home to a nice warm house, without having to have left the heating on all week.

Also I say from my experience, basic dumb TRV's are a pain to use. It is relatively tricky to get the temperature balance on them right and you have to go manually adjust them in each room.

The TRV you recommend looks much better and easier to use and is a good recommendation.

However I think smart wireless TRV's linked to a Netatmo thermostat really is the future. So easy to use and control. Imagine deciding to go to bed early and just saying to your Amazon Echo "Alexa, increase temperature in bedroom to 21", nice

Systems like Netatmo + wireless TRV's are probably the future of multizone heating. Far more flexibility then your typical two zone system, being a true multizone system with a zone per room and much easier to use and control. All while probably costing about the same as a traditional multizone system.

But my point is that most people certainly don't need TRV's. A good Thermostat is the first and more important step IMO. I've TRV's, but don't need them, however I'll certainly be looking at these Netatmo TRV's with interest for family members with bigger homes.

Agreed.
I think the cost per house is reasonable with thermostats. For example I bought two, one when released at full price and another now. Cost 280 total. Reasonable. Then again, I have 26 rads, so 80 euro per rad would take years to make a return on investment. So I think the programmable TRVs at 20 per rad are a far better buy right now.

That said, once individual smart TRVs get down to the 30ish euro price point I think they will be a no brainer.

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 6:52pm

@ThisRegard seems like you deleted your post but that's not how it works.
Timer is set to always on because the Netatmo has a scheduler and a thermostat. The old dumb timer is bypassed effectively, except for the hot water zone.

Special Circumstances · 11-10-2016 6:55pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Thanks, SC. I don't think there is any thermostat on the tank, and thats why I'm leaning toward the Nest. The Netatmo with the discounts from the OP is really good value, if I can find someone to fit them.

Just realised that I was routing live from a time clock to a time clock in my post. I meant time clock to zone valve of course.

bk · 11-10-2016 7:09pm

26 rads! Wow that is one big house!

That would be €2080 in TRV's alone! Even using the €30 ones it is still €780

Of course if some of those rooms are very rarely used, you could skip the TRV and just turn off the rad, only get the TRV's for the frequently used rooms.

TRV's really aren't much use for rooms you use a lot or rooms you very rarely use (guest rooms). They kind of fall in between, best used for infrequently used rooms.

So yup, €99 or even €200/280 is a relatively reasonable cost that gives a lot of nice and useful functionality and at least some potential for cost savings (depends on how you use it).

Having said all that, installing even a very basic old style two zone setup can cost more then €2,000 as it requires rerouting of pipes to create a second zone. So €2080 for an extremely smart and capable 26 zone system wouldn't be too bad by comparison.

BTW Remember the SEAI grant will pay out €600 for upgrades to heating controls. You should look into that. I hope Energia and Netatmo add their smart TRV's to their deal. Would be very useful for my sister and parents houses.

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 7:12pm

bk wrote: »

26 rads! Wow that is one big house!

That would be €2080 in TRV's alone! Even using the €30 ones it is still €780

Of course if some of those rooms are very rarely used, you could skip the TRV and just turn off the rad, only get the TRV's for the frequently used rooms.

TRV's really aren't much use for rooms you use a lot or rooms you very rarely use (guest rooms). They kind of fall in between, best used for infrequently used rooms.

So yup, €99 or even €200/280 is a relatively reasonable cost that gives a lot of nice and useful functionality and at least some potential for cost savings (depends on how you use it).

Having said all that, installing even a very basic old style two zone setup can cost more then €2,000 as it requires rerouting of pipes to create a second zone. So €2080 for an extremely smart and capable 26 zone system wouldn't be too bad by comparison.

BTW Remember the SEAI grant will pay out €600 for upgrades to heating controls. You should look into that. I hope Energia and Netatmo add their smart TRV's to their deal. Would be very useful for my sister and parents houses.

You're right. I put them on 16 rads only. Not all rooms are used, as you said.
The existing heating dumb timer is three zone. But netatmo has made two of those zones smart.
No grant as the house was built in 2008. I bought the place two years ago.

ted1 · 11-10-2016 7:23pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

Agreed.
I think the cost per house is reasonable with thermostats. For example I bought two, one when released at full price and another now. Cost 280 total. Reasonable. Then again, I have 26 rads, so 80 euro per rad would take years to make a return on investment. So I think the programmable TRVs at 20 per rad are a far better buy right now.

That said, once individual smart TRVs get down to the 30ish euro price point I think they will be a no brainer.

26 rads !! Do you live in a hotel?

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 7:32pm

ted1 wrote: »

26 rads !! Do you live in a hotel?

Feels like it at times lad.
The 'guests' here certainly are fairly demanding.

ThisRegard · 11-10-2016 8:00pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

@ThisRegard seems like you deleted your post but that's not how it works.
Timer is set to always on because the Netatmo has a scheduler and a thermostat. The old dumb timer is bypassed effectively, except for the hot water zone.

I deleted as i misread yours, I thought you said you had a system which had no thermostats. What you describe here is the same as my setup, apart from having a separate water zone.

Btw, like the Pearl Jam reference with your user name.

bk · 11-10-2016 8:06pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

You're right. I put them on 16 rads only. Not all rooms are used, as you said.

BTW just in case you ever decide to go for some of these TVR's, the Netatmo system supports "only" 20 TVR's

d31b0y · 11-10-2016 10:16pm

Hi guys, I have a Riello RDB oil burner. It's not listed in the compatibility check but it's situated outdoors beside my oil tank. Inside I have the attached timer and no thermostat. I assume the netatmo will work in this setup, do I just replace the timer? The compatibility check only states that one of the burners for Riello is compatible.
I also have an immersion but don't use it.

On closer inspection the boiler unit is a Warmflow Bluebird, I think. It looks like the one on the far left here - https://check.netatmo.com/wizard/boilerModel/Warmflow
EDIT: link doesn't work, you need to go through the check manually.

EDIT2: actually, maybe it's a B-Series in which case it is supposedly compatible. Any clues on how to figure out?

which is supposedly not compatible. Any idea why that might be the case?
I think the thermostat may be on the boiler itself (very similar to this http://www.heating-parts.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=205814)

yllw.ldbttr · 12-10-2016 2:09pm

For anyone who has an existing wired thermostat it really is a simple job to replace it. I took a few pics of the process.

Existing dumb thermostat with cover removed.

Netatmo backplate with wiring in place.

Netatmo with cover on, synced with wifi relay.

reni10 · 12-10-2016 3:27pm

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

enfant terrible · 12-10-2016 3:49pm

reni10 wrote: »

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

I have four wires connected to mine, two blue and two brown.

Can you post some pictures reni if you get it working?

Winterlong · 12-10-2016 3:49pm

reni10 wrote: »

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

If you could take a picture of how the electrician wires up the relay to those 3 wires it would be much appreciated!

I reported my relay as faulty over the weekend. Not a word back from Netamo since. Very slow. Very frustrating.

yllw.ldbttr · 12-10-2016 4:34pm

Winterlong wrote: »

If you could take a picture of how the electrician wires up the relay to those 3 wires it would be much appreciated!

I reported my relay as faulty over the weekend. Not a word back from Netamo since. Very slow. Very frustrating.

Brace yourself for that.
Their customer service is truly awful.

I spent nearly 6 weeks getting them to agree to issue RMA for a faulty outdoor unit on their weather station. They refused a refund. Finally allowed me to send it back and they've had it now nearly 3 weeks.

They make great products, but their customer service is truly awful.
Try leaving them a facebook message, it was what got some progress for me in the end.

d31b0y · 13-10-2016 10:52am

d31b0y wrote: »

Hi guys, I have a Riello RDB oil burner. It's not listed in the compatibility check but it's situated outdoors beside my oil tank. Inside I have the attached timer and no thermostat. I assume the netatmo will work in this setup, do I just replace the timer? The compatibility check only states that one of the burners for Riello is compatible.
I also have an immersion but don't use it.

On closer inspection the boiler unit is a Warmflow Bluebird, I think. It looks like the one on the far left here - https://check.netatmo.com/wizard/boilerModel/Warmflow
EDIT: link doesn't work, you need to go through the check manually.

EDIT2: actually, maybe it's a B-Series in which case it is supposedly compatible. Any clues on how to figure out?

which is supposedly not compatible. Any idea why that might be the case?
I think the thermostat may be on the boiler itself (very similar to this http://www.heating-parts.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=205814)

Decided to order it. I'm pretty sure it will work. If not, I'll just sell it.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 13-10-2016 11:42am

Hi All, quick question on this

I have a thermostat in the sitting room, it is always the warmest room in the house so would want to fix the Netamo there, from reading I believe I can just have this directly replaced ?

I also have a thermostat upstairs in the bedroom, this is always set lower than the downstairs one though

I presume I can leave the upstairs one ?

What I want to eventually do is for the smart radiator valve to each radiator in the house. At that point I presume I can just turn the upstairs old thermostat to the same value as on the smary valve and all should work ok ?

bk · 13-10-2016 12:47pm

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

I have a thermostat in the sitting room, it is always the warmest room in the house so would want to fix the Netamo there, from reading I believe I can just have this directly replaced ?

Yes

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

I also have a thermostat upstairs in the bedroom, this is always set lower than the downstairs one though

I presume I can leave the upstairs one ?

Sounds like you have a multi or two zone home. Yes, you could just leave this here or alternatively you could also replace this with a second Netatmo thermostat and control both with the one app.

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

What I want to eventually do is for the smart radiator valve to each radiator in the house. At that point I presume I can just turn the upstairs old thermostat to the same value as on the smary valve and all should work ok ?

Yes, that is another option. Actually you would turn this thermostat to full, and just use the smart TVR's instead.

Though I think it might just be better to get the two Netatmo's and only get TVR's later if you think you need extra control.

Winterlong · 13-10-2016 6:17pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

Brace yourself for that.
Their customer service is truly awful.

I spent nearly 6 weeks getting them to agree to issue RMA for a faulty outdoor unit on their weather station. They refused a refund. Finally allowed me to send it back and they've had it now nearly 3 weeks.

They make great products, but their customer service is truly awful.
Try leaving them a facebook message, it was what got some progress for me in the end.

Thanks for the facebook tip. They agreed to RMA the item for me today. God knows how long it will take for it to come back...in the mean time I get more and more aggravated everytime I pass by my existing heating timer!

whiterebel · 13-10-2016 11:05pm

After reading some of the tales of woe about Netatmo, I've gone with Electric Ireland and a Nest for €99 installed. I'll get another Nest thermostat then to do the other zone. Everything about Nest seems much more polished - list sof installers on their website, lots of FAQs, support seems good etc. I can't even find anyone to install a Netatmo

Zilog · 14-10-2016 5:59pm

whiterebel wrote: »

After reading some of the tales of woe about Netatmo, I've gone with Electric Ireland and a Nest for €99 installed. I'll get another Nest thermostat then to do the other zone. Everything about Nest seems much more polished - list sof installers on their website, lots of FAQs, support seems good etc. I can't even find anyone to install a Netatmo

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

whiterebel · 14-10-2016 7:41pm

Zilog wrote: »

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

Its a great deal, and it was very hard to turn down 2 for €200, but I 've had so much hassle with the heating and boilers, I just couldn't face it if there were problems with the thermostats. I was quoted €710 for 2 Nests installed, so hopefully I'll save a lot with this deal anyway

bk · 14-10-2016 8:30pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Its a great deal, and it was very hard to turn down 2 for €200, but I 've had so much hassle with the heating and boilers, I just couldn't face it if there were problems with the thermostats. I was quoted €710 for 2 Nests installed, so hopefully I'll save a lot with this deal anyway

If you can get two nests for €100, then that is a very good deal *

However I wouldn't pay €700 for them. My friend and neighbour got one, he has decided that it was a big waste of money. It works, but not worth the €350 he paid.

By the way Nest can be set up wirelessly too. Well it does require power unlike the Netatmo thermostat, but you can put the thermostat in any room.

What worries me about Nest is that since they were bought by Google, things have been going quickly down hill. They haven't released a single new product in years! Google has a history of dumping products that don't work out. In fact they already dumped support for a Nest smart home product (Reevo) and the news and rumours coming from google/nest really haven't been good. Loads of engineers quit and eventually the head (and former owner) of Nest was left go. So I would worry about their future.

Netatmo on the other hand seems to be really aggressively growing their products. Siri support, apple watch, Amazon Echo support. Releasing a smart TVRs, multiple security cameras, smart weather products, etc.

There aren't any guarantees, but Netatmo looks like a company firing on all cylinders, while Nest looks like a company in serious trouble.

* BTW you know that if you can get this deal from Electric Ireland, you can get the same deal for the Netatmo from Energia including install?

alison123 · 14-10-2016 8:57pm

Hello!
I was going to go for the Energia/netatmo option but having read this thread I think it won't work for me. I have a small house (not interested in rad valves or heating zones) with a gas boiler linked to a timer and a thermostat. I also have a lever to close/open a valve so I can have the boiler feed just the hot water tank in summer. If I change the manual water/radiator valve to a motorised one, can I then get a system that will allow me to remotely switch the heating on/off and switch from heating to hot water only. And can I have a mobile thermostat, which is what I'd like. If yes to all of this, which system will do it?

OU812 · 14-10-2016 9:22pm

That's similar to he problem I have. We have a moterised valve and I think the only ones that will do it are the hive & nest

Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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