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Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

  • 26-09-2016 2:14pm
    #1
    Zilog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭


    Received email this morning offering discount on the Netatmo thermostat when purchased from Netatmo directly.
    Shop link here:
    https://shop.netatmo.com/eur_en/thermostat-promo.html

    Use promo code PROMO99 at the checkout for discount to be applied. Normal price from Netatmo directly is €179.

    One caveat is that this version on sale is NOT Apple Homekit compatible. It works fine using iPhone and Android apps.


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  • #2
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    Anyone know what the Netatmo is like compared to the Tado, Climote and Nest etc.?


  • #3
    nephster
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭nephster


    if you are looking for multiple zones, or you want to control hot water, this isn't for you.

    But, if you have, say, a combi boiler (or don't care about warming up the water) and are OK with a single zone, it's ace.

    If your home was built before 2006 and you live in Cork or Dublin, this is a better deal:
    https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

    Boiler service + Netatmo + installation for €85. You don't have to be with Energia to get it.

    We got this done last year - our apartment didn't have a thermostat so we no longer have to go in the hot press to boost the heating on - and have found it great. I can even turn on the heating using my Pebble smartwatch :)


  • #4
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    Zilog wrote: »
    Received email this morning offering discount on the Netatmo thermostat when purchased from Netatmo directly.

    Use promo code PROMO99 at the checkout for discount to be applied. Normal price from Netatmo directly is €179.

    One caveat is that this version on sale is NOT Apple Homekit compatible. It works fine using iPhone and Android apps.

    Not working anymore! :(


  • #5
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    nephster wrote: »
    If your home was built before 2006 and you live in Cork or Dublin, this is a better deal:
    https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

    Boiler service + Netatmo + installation for €85. You don't have to be with Energia to get it.

    Do you know if the Thermostat that Energia supply with this deal is the version that supports Apple Homekit?


  • #6
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    Yeah this promo code is seems to have expired now, pity...


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  • #7
    nephster
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭nephster


    bk wrote: »
    Do you know if the Thermostat that Energia supply with this deal is the version that supports Apple Homekit?

    Considering it was only released at the start of the month, I wouldn't bet on it, if they still have old stock.
    Presumably the OP's deal was Netatmo using up the old stock in their own warehouse.


  • #8
    Zilog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Zilog


    nephster wrote: »
    Considering it was only released at the start of the month, I wouldn't bet on it, if they still have old stock.
    Presumably the OP's deal was Netatmo using up the old stock in their own warehouse.
    Definitely using up old stock. The email expressly said "Discontinued Items" and "Thermostats not compatible with Apple Homekit.". However, they still work from apps.
    I believe Homekit compatibility requires the use of another, or different, chipset.

    Surprised to hear not working now, offer supposed to be valid until October 15th.


  • #9
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Any difference between the previous model and the one with the homekit support, apart from that? I've been using the previous model that we got as part of the Energia deal and it's great, but will soon be looking for a second.


  • #10
    Zilog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Zilog


    Sorry for the confusion folks, figured it out!

    Use the following link to get the deal:
    https://shop.netatmo.com/eur_en/thermostat-promo.html

    "PROMO99" should then work.

    I see the 'normal' shop link on Netatmo homepage leads to the Homekit compatible version. The one in the above link clearly is not compatible, so moving old stock for sure.


  • #11
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I like the look of their new radiator thermostats, they need the thermostat itself though to work.


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  • #12
    Del007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Del007


    nephster wrote: »
    if you are looking for multiple zones, or you want to control hot water, this isn't for you.

    But, if you have, say, a combi boiler (or don't care about warming up the water) and are OK with a single zone, it's ace.

    If your home was built before 2006 and you live in Cork or Dublin, this is a better deal:
    https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

    Boiler service + Netatmo + installation for €85. You don't have to be with Energia to get it.

    We got this done last year - our apartment didn't have a thermostat so we no longer have to go in the hot press to boost the heating on - and have found it great. I can even turn on the heating using my Pebble smartwatch :)

    In my house, when I turn on the heating then all the rads come on together. With this, can I turn it on and off with my phone?

    Cheers


  • #13
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    Looking at the install video for the netatmo it seems to be different to the tado and nest as you seem to have to connect it to the actual boiler instead of replacing your existing thermostat.

    Don't think that will work for me as I already have 3 zones and a timer control system with thermostats so hooking in the netatmo seems to only work if you have one zone...


  • #14
    nephster
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭nephster


    Del007 wrote: »
    In my house, when I turn on the heating then all the rads come on together. With this, can I turn it on and off with my phone?

    Cheers

    Yes. The "proper" way to use this is to set up what temp you want your house to be every day using the app or website. It will kick in when the temperature goes below a certain level, until it warms up to the temp you've set. Equally, though, can just flick the heat on using your phone if you're a bit chilly on the way home and want to hug the radiators :)


  • #15
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    reni10 wrote: »
    Looking at the install video for the netatmo it seems to be different to the tado and nest as you seem to have to connect it to the actual boiler instead of replacing your existing thermostat.

    Don't think that will work for me as I already have 3 zones and a timer control system with thermostats so hooking in the netatmo seems to only work if you have one zone...

    With our setup we set the existing thermostat to max and replaced the analogue timer connected to the boiler with the base station. You can then move the Netatmo thermostat around wherever you want. Only one zone though.


  • #16
    coxy123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭coxy123


    A Noob Q as I can't quite follow faq. I have an existing wired ON/Off immersion style switch attached to boiler.

    Can I replace this with the relay and place Netatmo thermostat somewhere else in house? Tks.

    Already answered I believe!
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    With our setup we set the existing thermostat to max and replaced the analogue timer connected to the boiler with the base station. You can then move the Netatmo thermostat around wherever you want. Only one zone though.


  • #17
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Can you give a link to what sort of switch or timer you currently have?


  • #18
    coxy123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭coxy123


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Can you give a link to what sort of switch or timer you currently have?

    http://cliffords.ie/APT24HourImmersionHeaterControllerTimerIMM24-P641.html


  • #19
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Similar to what we had. That gets replaced by the base unit and you can put or move around the new thermostat wherever you want throughout the day.


  • #20
    gazzaman22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭gazzaman22


    Are any of these devices stand alone... As in i see the Climote has a yearly charge built into it...


  • #21
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    gazzaman22 wrote: »
    Are any of these devices stand alone... As in i see the Climote has a yearly charge built into it...

    Netatmo is completely standalone, no yearly charge, etc.

    And BTW it can also be physically controlled on the device itself, just in case your internet connection is down. Very important IMO.


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  • #22
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    I bought one of these a while back, here's my take on it.

    Edit, I have a Netatmo weather station as well.
    Pic below is a sample of the types of stats it can generate.

    397906.png

    397907.png


  • #23
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    yllw.ldbttr wrote: »
    I bought one of these a while back, here's my take on it.

    Edit, I have a Netatmo weather station as well.
    Pic below is a sample of the types of stats it can generate.

    397906.png

    397907.png

    Nest reports are equally as bad . I wish that they used heating degree days


  • #24
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    ted1 wrote: »
    Nest reports are equally as bad . I wish that they used heating degree days


    They have an open API with all data extractable, so you could probably calculate it yourself.


  • #25
    richy
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    You need a MPRN to sign up for this but I can only find my GPRN on my bill. Any advice? Im with electric Ireland. Read online thats its on bill but can only see the 7 digit GPRN as opposed to 11 digit MPRN


  • #26
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    richy wrote: »
    You need a MPRN to sign up for this but I can only find my GPRN on my bill. Any advice? Im with electric Ireland. Read online thats its on bill but can only see the 7 digit GPRN as opposed to 11 digit MPRN

    MPRN is on you electric bill, GPRN is on your gas bill


  • #27
    richy
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    Cheers Ted. Im an idiot


  • #28
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    yllw.ldbttr wrote: »
    I bought one of these a while back, here's my take on it.

    Edit, I have a Netatmo weather station as well.
    Pic below is a sample of the types of stats it can generate.

    Does the weather station influence the thermostat at all ? e.g. if you have your heat timed to come on at 7pm and it's been raining or an unseasonably warmer cold day, it'll come on earlier or later?


  • #29
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    OU812 wrote: »
    Does the weather station influence the thermostat at all ? e.g. if you have your heat timed to come on at 7pm and it's been raining or an unseasonably warmer cold day, it'll come on earlier or later?

    If you have it in auto mode it takes the weather station data until account when calculating how long it will take to heat your house. It will turn the heating on earlier if needed so that the house is at the desired temperature at the time you've set.


  • #30
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    That's brilliant. Thanks. I've been looking at thermostats for a while and couldn't make up my mind which to go for.


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  • #31
    Dr.Winston O'Boogie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭Dr.Winston O'Boogie


    nephster wrote: »
    if you are looking for multiple zones, or you want to control hot water, this isn't for you.

    But, if you have, say, a combi boiler (or don't care about warming up the water) and are OK with a single zone, it's ace.

    If your home was built before 2006 and you live in Cork or Dublin, this is a better deal:
    https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

    Boiler service + Netatmo + installation for €85. You don't have to be with Energia to get it.

    We got this done last year - our apartment didn't have a thermostat so we no longer have to go in the hot press to boost the heating on - and have found it great. I can even turn on the heating using my Pebble smartwatch :)

    Quick (possibly silly) question: You mention if you don't care about the hot water, my boiler heats the hot water whenever it is on. Does the Nest for example have features that controls that also that the netamato wouldn't? Can the nest also control zones, i.e heat upstairs and not downstairs or does it depend on your radiator setup?

    Great deal link by the way, very interested!


  • #32
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    The Netatmo only works with one zone. If you want a Nest to control more than one zone your house will need to be capable of having more than one zone, the Nest doesn't introduce that feature.


  • #33
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    The Netatmo only works with one zone. If you want a Nest to control more than one zone your house will need to be capable of having more than one zone, the Nest doesn't introduce that feature.

    That is absolutely true for the moment. However note Netatmo is about to launch Smart Radiator Valves, which would allow it do something similar to multiple zones.

    With the Smart Valves you will be able to control each room individually. Now that is slightly different to old fashioned two zones systems that some Irish homes have (usually two zones, one upstairs, one downstairs) but this system would actually be much more advanced, allowing you many "Zones".

    Only thing is these valves haven't launched yet and no indication of cost. But something to keep an eye on if you are interested in such a system.

    I have to say I'm impressed with the systems that Netatmo are building out. It seems very flexible and has lots of smart home support (Siri, Amazon Alexa, Apple Watch, etc.). Hopefully they will also eventually add hot water support.


  • #34
    Dr.Winston O'Boogie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭Dr.Winston O'Boogie


    Smart valves sound great. Cheers for the info sounds perfect for my home anyway.


  • #35
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Dr.Winston O'Boogie wrote: »
    Smart valves sound great. Cheers for the info sounds perfect for my home anyway.

    Yup, but just note, if you already have a multizone system, you probably need to get a gas installer person to disable it if you move to a smart valve system like this.


  • #36
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    The Netatmo only works with one zone. If you want a Nest to control more than one zone your house will need to be capable of having more than one zone, the Nest doesn't introduce that feature.

    The Nest can do hot water and radiators separately, provided your system is capable of it


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  • #37
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    bk wrote: »
    That is absolutely true for the moment. However note Netatmo is about to launch Smart Radiator Valves, which would allow it do something similar to multiple zones.

    True, I stuck myself on the mailing list the other day to be notified when they're available to purchase. The starter pack I think only comes with 2 valves though so it might work out expensive to sort out a full house.
    ted1 wrote: »
    The Nest can do hot water and radiators separately, provided your system is capable of it

    Yeah, I was saying that the Nest won't introduce multiple zones if they're not already in the house.


  • #38
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    By the way, does anyone know if the Energia offer is still ongoing?

    And leading on from that question, does the SEAI scheme apply to a person, or premises? We already availed of the Energia offer back in January but will eventually be moving so would like to get it again. I think it's per premises, but don't see an end date anymore on the website, but there was an end date at some stage earlier this year.


  • #39
    Dardania
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Dardania


    Think it applies to the property.

    I'm sure they'd be delighted to see repeat users of the scheme


  • #40
    Doodah7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    Multizone is likely to be rolled out here by Bord Gais with the Hive Thermostat system that they sell. It was developed by British Gas and also links into lights, security and plugs. Multizone is already available in the UK and should be coming here soon enough.

    https://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/hive-active-heating.html

    https://www.hivehome.ie/how-to-buy


  • #41
    Zilog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Zilog


    Regarding hot water, what I do in my own house is have the hot water on a regular timeclock with the Netatmo looking after the heating.

    Boiler comes on for half hour twice a day at 5:30am and 5:30pm to heat the water - this gives enough hot water to all showers and hot taps.

    Actually, the timeclock and Netatmo are wired to zone valves, rather than directly to the boiler. These zone valves have an auxiliary switch which turn on the boiler only when the valve is open. If any valve is open, the boiler is on. If all valves are shut, the boiler is off.
    I ended up doing all the wiring for the heating system myself, the plumber and electrician were lacking expertise here, even though they provided proper motorized electric zone valves.


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  • #42
    richy
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    Signed up to Energia Netamo service offer but never received a confirmation email. Has the same happened with you guys?


  • #43
    bk
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    True, I stuck myself on the mailing list the other day to be notified when they're available to purchase. The starter pack I think only comes with 2 valves though so it might work out expensive to sort out a full house.

    I don't expect it will be cheap. However if you can put them in yourself *, then I suspect it will be a lot cheaper then getting a gas installer in to wire in a much less sophisticated dual zone system.

    * Replacing Thermostat Valves is really easy to do, anyone with even the most basic of DIY skills should be able to do it.

    ThisRegard lets us know if you do decide to get these and how it goes. I will likely upgrade my thermostat to Netatmo. But living in an apartment, I don't really need a multizone system like this. However it would be very interesting for family. I hope Energia extend their deal to include these.


  • #44
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Yeah, I plan on doing it myself, as long as there's already thermostatic valves on the radiators. Might be a bit more complex if there's the old fashioned valves but there's 2 plumbers within the family anyway.

    The replacement of the existing timer connected to the boiler is simple enough too [awaits someone to tell me that's it illegal] once the system itself is modern enough.

    I'll let you know how it goes, when it actually happens.


  • #45
    bk
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    The replacement of the existing timer connected to the boiler is simple enough too [awaits someone to tell me that's it illegal] once the system itself is modern enough.

    Yeah, I replaced my two wire (thus no power) thermostat with a more basic wifi thermostat a few years ago. Netatmo looks like it would be a drop in replacement. Though I wouldn't mind trying setting it up in wireless mode, so I could move the thermostat to the living room, but that probably requires a gas boiler engineer.


  • #46
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    It's actually very simple. You'll get a relay and the thermostat itself. So in most houses you'd have the traditional dial thermostat in the living room or somewhere, and then near the boiler itself you have the timer.

    You set your existing thermostat to max, and replace the timer with the relay. You then have your relay communicate with the Netatmo thermostat and your router, so you can move the thermostat wherever you want. You current thermostat will be there, but you basically set it to always on, i.e. max, and the new relay and thermostat then step in and do the work.

    A picture is always easier to describe something....

    This is what we replaced with the Netatmo relay, so we then put the thermostat wherever we need it, usually one of the kids rooms.

    flashtimmer.png

    In the diagram below, the Relay is what used to be the timer above.

    first.jpg?v=456


  • #47
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    The Netatmo seems to take a different approach to the other ones like Nest, Tado etc. in that it replaces the timer instead of the actual existing Thermostats.

    As far as I know for Nest you just swop out the existing thermostat and set your existing timer as on all the time but because it actually will only switch on once the Nest tells it to then you dont have to mess around with the existing timer hardware and is easier to setup?


  • #48
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    You can replace the existing thermostat with the Netatmo too, but that method means it's not mobile. I think replacing the existing timer with the relay is pretty easy for a DIY job, couple of minutes maybe?

    This page shows the 3 different methods of installation
    https://www.netatmo.com/product/energy/thermostat/installation/


  • #49
    bk
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    You set your existing thermostat to max, and replace the timer with the relay. You then have your relay communicate with the Netatmo thermostat and your router, so you can move the thermostat wherever you want. You current thermostat will be there, but you basically set it to always on, i.e. max, and the new relay and thermostat then step in and do the work.

    The Netatmo Relay has to be powered by the boilers relay wiring doesn't it?

    Unfortunately my apartment isn't set up like that. No relay/timer, just a battery operated combined digital timer/thermostat in the hall that is weird by two control cables (non powered on/off) to the boiler *

    The Netatmo can directly replace this thermostat, but then it isn't portable. In order to make it portable, in my case, the Netatmo relay I believe needs to be wired into the boiler. I assume that will require a gas engineer or electrician to do.

    * I've already replaced it with a wifi enabled battery thermostat, but it lacks the more advanced features of Netatmo which I'd like to get.


  • #50
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Yeah, misunderstood you when you said you replaced your two wire, thus no power, timer.


  • #51
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    Ah you can just replace the Thermostat with the Netatmo!

    I take it just because this version for €99 is not apple homekit enabled does not mean that is cannot be voice controlled by an Amazon Echo?


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