Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

03-07-2019 9:25pm

20Cent wrote:

You don't seem to know the basics of the topic being discussed. Perhaps a different thread would be of more use to you.

Classic deflection.

You posted three links to a story which never mentioned Ngo in any way. Somehow that was enough evidence for you to determine that he deserved a vicious beating.

I know where I stand on that matter. I am adamantly against it.

I know the basics. You can't even explain what you think a fascist is, never mind why you think it's ok to use violence.

Eric Cartman · 03-07-2019 9:28pm

the reality of it is, left right, whatever. If you think for one second that a group of people covering their face marching down a road and beating somebody for their political views or what you presume are their political views is in any way acceptable then you have a massive problem and should seek professional help.

03-07-2019 9:30pm

klaaaz wrote:

The Proud Boys and their compatriots in the Patriot Prayer in Portland have in their manifesto for women to be servants of men. That is removing women of their hard won rights since the suffragettes, are you ok with this Dunner? (despite you and others demeaning the opposition as "insert curse word" to women's rights)

They actually don't.

What they (proud boys) do is promote "traditional" gender roles in a family (i.e the woman be a full time mother and the father be the breadwinner).

It is not mandatory, but recommended.

I'm ok with that. I don't agree with it but as a suggestion I don't think it's the worst thing I've heard. My missus earns a **** tonne more than me.

Women have equal rights. I am more than happy with that.

What's your point?

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 9:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They actually don't.

What they (proud boys) do is promote "traditional" gender roles in a family (i.e the woman be a full time mother and the father be the breadwinner).

It is not mandatory, but recommended.

I'm ok with that. I don't agree with it but as a suggestion I don't think it's the worst thing I've heard. My missus earns a **** tonne more than me.

Women have equal rights. I am more than happy with that.

What's your point?

Err Dunner, the Proud Boys have in their manifesto that women are subservient to men, they are proud chauvinists. You proud of that?

03-07-2019 9:41pm

klaaaz wrote:

Err Dunner, the Proud Boys have in their manifesto that women are subservient to men, they are proud chauvinists. You proud of that?

I'm not a proud boy. Why would I be proud of their beliefs?

Please point me to where it says that in their manifesto. I have never seen that.

They are western chauvinists. I don't see an issue with that.

Venom · 03-07-2019 9:42pm

20Cent wrote: »

People hanging out in a bar when totally peaceful "patriot prayer" arrive attacking people. Andy Ngo there as well. This is where the girl was seriously injured.

No wonder he's not popular with antifa.

Cider Shop Sues Portland’s Far-Right Extremists
https://www.thedailybeast.com/portland-brewpub-cider-riot-sues-far-right-group-patriot-prayer-for-repeated-attacks

One Patriot Prayer member, Ian Kramer, “used a baton to crack a Cider Riot patron on the head, knocking her unconscious. Upon information and belief, she suffered a serious vertebrae fracture,” the suit reads. (Patriot Prayer members are notoriously misogynist. Commenters on Gibson’s Facebook posts can be found dismissing anti-fascist women as “not women,” and discussing attacking them.)

Ah yes, the infamous broken neck girl who was doxxed, you have been banging on about in various posts.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/1123784667453382657
Now I could be wrong, but seeing where both groups meet in the above video, it looks like she was involved in a fracas between Antifa and some other group on the city streets. What I find odd, is the video starts almost the second she got whacked in the head but there doesn't seem to be any versions showing what was going on prior to her getting knocked out.

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 9:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a proud boy. Why would I be proud of their beliefs?

Please point me to where it says that in their manifesto. I have never seen that.

They are western chauvinists. I don't see an issue with that.

You're here to defend them, yes?

Yet you say to point to their beliefs(on their website) and at the same time say they are chauvinists(true), which is it or are you confused?

Do you believe that women have rights contrary to the Proud Boys??

_blaaz · 03-07-2019 9:46pm

Venom wrote: »

What I find odd, is the video starts almost the second she got whacked in the head but there doesn't seem to be any versions showing what was going on prior to her getting knocked out.

This is what i do hate about all these youtube clips...there nearly always edited to sh1t

Personally wouldnt trust youtube clip or anyone who cites one as evidemce anymore

Sweetemotion · 03-07-2019 9:49pm

Venom wrote: »

Ah yes, the infamous broken neck girl who was doxxed, you have been banging on about in various posts.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/1123784667453382657
Now I could be wrong, but seeing where both groups meet in the above video, it looks like she was involved in a fracas between Antifa and some other group on the city streets. What I find odd, is the video starts almost the second she got whacked in the head but there doesn't seem to be any versions showing what was going on prior to her getting knocked out.

Full video here, to see the attack start around the 7:40 min mark.

Venom · 03-07-2019 9:52pm

_blaaz wrote: »

This is what i do hate about all these youtube clips...there nearly always edited to sh1t

Personally wouldnt trust youtube clip or anyone who cites one as evidemce anymore

Yeah unless the clip starts a good bit beforehand showing exactly what was really going on, no way would I trust it as fact.

03-07-2019 9:52pm

klaaaz wrote:

You're here to defend them, yes?

Not my reason to be here. I'm just pointing out you are wrong.

klaaaz wrote:

Yet you say to point to their beliefs(on their website) and at the same time say they are chauvinists(true), which is it or are you confused?

Sorry. Do you know what a chauvinist is? It's important as I think you may have your definition wrong. It's important.

klaaaz wrote:

Do you believe that women have rights contrary to the Proud Boys??

Oh no. I think that proud boys obviously have the final say of what rights anyone has...

Is that a serious question?

Have you asked me if a group made up as a joke by satirical comedian Gavin McInnes has final say on women's rights?

Give your head a wobble Klaaaz. You are getting more and more absurd.

20Cent · 03-07-2019 9:53pm

Venom wrote: »

Ah yes, the infamous broken neck girl who was doxxed, you have been banging on about in various posts.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/1123784667453382657
Now I could be wrong, but seeing where both groups meet in the above video, it looks like she was involved in a fracas between Antifa and some other group on the city streets. What I find odd, is the video starts almost the second she got whacked in the head but there doesn't seem to be any versions showing what was going on prior to her getting knocked out.

They were in a bar. "patriot prayer" went there to attack them. Not the first time either.

_blaaz · 03-07-2019 9:59pm

Venom wrote: »

Yeah unless the clip starts a good bit beforehand showing exactly what was really going on, no way would I trust it as fact.

Even at that....noone knows what run ins people could have been in days/weeks beforehand

Youtube is good for tutorials/basic info etc...but no place to form.political opioions

UpBack1234 · 03-07-2019 9:59pm

I think it's important not to get too hung up on groups like the Proud Boys as they're so small in number and are pretty much irrelevant to US politics in every way - beyond trying very hard to be as offensive as possible for a bit of attention. Plus the fights these people have at protests are of no more significance than a couple of schoolkids having a scrap on a green somewhere. The fascist in the White House is the only one worth wasting your energy on ðŸ‘

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 9:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Not my reason to be here. I'm just pointing out you are wrong.

Sorry. Do you know what a chauvinist is? It's important as I think you may have your definition wrong. It's important.

Oh my. They believe that women are subservient to men.

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh no. I think that proud boys obviously have the final say of what rights anyone has...

Is that a serious question?

You said it, women have less rights than men. Why do you deny women their rights?

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you asked me if a group made up as a joke by satirical comedian Gavin McInnes has final say on women's rights?

Give your head a wobble Klaaaz. You are getting more and more absurd.

No satirical stuff there Dunner, those guys in Oregon believe that men are superior to women and it's obvious that you agree with that.

03-07-2019 10:07pm

klaaaz wrote:

Oh my. They believe that women are subservient to men.

Oh my. Look up the definition of the word. It doesn't mean what you think it does

klaaaz wrote:

You said it, women have less rights than men. Why do you deny women their rights?

That was with tongue firmly planted in cheek. You know this. Silly goose.

klaaaz wrote:

No satirical stuff there Dunner, those guys in Oregon believe that men are superior to women and it's obvious that you agree with that.

I am the proud father of a daughter. I raised her by myself and was lucky enough to have found a lovely stepmother and wife when my baby girl was 4.

I was raised by my mam and sister after my brother and dad died 3 months apart when I was 12.

I was raised by women and am raising a fantastic little girl.

Yet still, I don't believe they are better than me or I better than them.

You knew nothing about me except that I won't white knight and that alone made it "obvious" that my opinion was men are superior?

Who is the prejudiced one?

Sweetemotion · 03-07-2019 10:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I am the proud father of a daughter. I raised her by myself and was lucky enough to have found a lovely stepmother and wife when my baby girl was 4.

I was raised by my mam and sister after my brother and dad died 3 months apart when I was 12.

I was raised by women and am raising a fantastic little girl.

Yet still, I don't believe they are better than me or I better than them.

You knew nothing about me except that I won't white knight and that alone made it "obvious" that my opinion was men are superior?

Who is the prejudiced one?

That is just beautiful.

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 10:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh my. Look up the definition of the word. It doesn't mean what you think it does

That was with tongue firmly planted in cheek. You know this. Silly goose.

I am the proud father of a daughter. I raised her by myself and was lucky enough to have found a lovely stepmother and wife when my baby girl was 4.

I was raised by my mam and sister after my brother and dad died 3 months apart when I was 12.

I was raised by women and am raising a fantastic little girl.

Yet still, I don't believe they are better than me or I better than them.

You knew nothing about me except that I won't white knight and that alone made it "obvious" that my opinion was men are superior?

Who is the prejudiced one?

Oh Dunner dun dun you yourself said

Deleted User wrote:

What they (proud boys) do is promote "traditional" gender roles in a family (i.e the woman be a full time mother and the father be the breadwinner).

Your poor daughter is being raised to be subservient to men as per the Proud Boys doctrine. Give the girl her rights as equal to a boy, it's horrific to think that poor girl is being raised to be inferior to boys??

pjohnson · 03-07-2019 10:26pm

What is this "Proud Boys" rubbish? There are so many of these groups its impossible to keep up. Always the same few people involved in the upper branches anyway. Just need to rebrand every so often when one group burns too many bridges :pac:

03-07-2019 10:45pm

klaaaz wrote:

Your poor daughter is being raised to be subservient to men as per the Proud Boys doctrine. Give the girl her rights as equal to a boy, it's horrific to think that poor girl is being raised to be inferior to boys??

Being a mother in the traditional sense is so far from being subservient.

I don't live my life by proud boy rules. A woman can choose what they want to do.
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't refer to my daughter as "poor".

My daughter is being raised as an equal. No better or no worse. But different.

She won't need your white knighting. She will decide her own path.

pjohnson · 03-07-2019 10:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Being a mother in the traditional sense is so far from being subservient.

I don't live my life by proud boy rules. A woman can choose what they want to do.
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't refer to my daughter as "poor".

My daughter is being raised as an equal. No better or no worse. But different.

She won't need your white knighting. She will decide her own path.

What if her path involves white knighting? *gasp* or if she brings home a brown boy? Or has she been raised to know these (and PC and SJW points) are not allowed?

03-07-2019 10:57pm

pjohnson wrote:

What if her path involves white knighting? *gasp* or if she brings home a brown boy? Or has she been raised to know these (and PC and SJW points) are not allowed?

Sorry... Are you implying I am a racist?

pjohnson · 03-07-2019 10:59pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sorry... Are you implying I am a racist?

Sorry...lets say an "undocumented" or "immigrant" boyfriend if either of those are more PC for you.

03-07-2019 11:02pm

pjohnson wrote:

What if her path involves white knighting? *gasp* or if she brings home a brown boy? Or has she been raised to know these (and PC and SJW points) are not allowed?

But to answer your question, no. She has been told that she is no better or no worse than anyone else by virtue of her gender or her race. What sets her apart is her character and morals.

I know I should be encouraging her to be ashamed of her privilege, her skin etc and that there are an infinite amount of genders.

I guess I'm a monster

03-07-2019 11:04pm

pjohnson wrote:

Sorry...lets say an "undocumented" or "immigrant" boyfriend if either of those are more PC for you.

Oh an illegal immigrant? Are they the same as brown people to you? Sorry chief. I see you were being an edgy troll. I'll leave you alone.

pjohnson · 03-07-2019 11:04pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But to answer your question, no. She has been told that she is no better or no worse than anyone else by virtue of her gender or her race. What sets her apart is her character and morals.

I know I should be encouraging her to be ashamed of her privilege, her skin etc and that there are an infinite amount of genders.

I guess I'm a monster

You didnt answer what you would do if she breached your rules. Cant imagine the poor girl will get much help if she turns out to like girls. Thought this mentality died out.

03-07-2019 11:07pm

pjohnson wrote:

You didnt answer what you would do if she breached your rules. Cant imagine the poor girl will get much help if she turns out to like girls.

Ha bless. I hate "browns" and "gays" in your opinion?

My daughter will be fine. I have rules when it comes to parenting my child. Every parent should. Thankfully, none of them concern racism or homophobia.

03-07-2019 11:34pm

Proud Boys would be a great name for a gay nightclub.

Danzy · 03-07-2019 11:37pm

I think many here are amazed that people view Antifa as different to militant fascists.

They are just more numerous and from better off homes but that is it.

They are awful people, abusing power, for the kick of it.

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 11:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha bless. I hate "browns" and "gays" in your opinion?

My daughter will be fine. I have rules when it comes to parenting my child. Every parent should. Thankfully, none of them concern racism or homophobia.

Please shield your daughter from the chauvinistic Proud Boys and their supporters here on boards, your daughter is equal to any son and deserves happiness millions of miles away from the far right hate.

03-07-2019 11:40pm

Deleted User wrote:

Proud Boys would be a great name for a gay nightclub.

The absurdity of the name is why it was picked. It was from a very cringy song from a musical I believe.

03-07-2019 11:42pm

klaaaz wrote:

Please shield your daughter from the chauvinistic Proud Boys and their supporters here on boards, your daughter is equal to any son and deserves happiness millions of miles away from the far right hate.

She will. She will also be shielded from antifa and advocates of gender fluidity until she is old enough.

klaaaz · 03-07-2019 11:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

She will. She will also be shielded from antifa and advocates of gender fluidity until she is old enough.

You were going well until you introduced your prejudice against the gender fluidity population which have zero harm on a child's development.

03-07-2019 11:53pm

klaaaz wrote:

You were going well until you introduced your prejudice against the gender fluidity population which have zero harm on a child's development.

Ha. Sorry to disappoint you. I'll be keeping that away from my daughter for as long as possible thanks.

The literal infinite about of genders and the insistence of preferred pronouns is harmful. Not just to children but to society. But that's a different topic.

Anyway. Antifa are just as bad as any right wing group you can find and I oppose them just as much as I would oppose Nazis

klaaaz · 04-07-2019 12:00am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha. Sorry to disappoint you. I'll be keeping that away from my daughter for as long as possible thanks.

The literal infinite about of genders and the insistence of preferred pronouns is harmful. Not just to children but to society. But that's a different topic.

Anyway. Antifa are just as bad as any right wing group you can find and I oppose them just as much as I would oppose Nazis

The Nazis(like their American conservative cousins) you speak of would want your daughter to be a baby factory, just as well she is raised in a secular society in Ireland(assuming you live in Ireland unlike American posters on this thread) far away from the religious evangelical ideology.

SnakePlissken · 04-07-2019 12:06am

pjohnson wrote: »

or if she brings home a brown boy?

It'll be grand, sure Klaaz can put a bit of talcum powder on him, voila, instant Caucasian.

SnakePlissken · 04-07-2019 12:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

pjohnson wrote:

You didnt answer what you would do if she breached your rules. Cant imagine the poor girl will get much help if she turns out to like girls.

Ha bless. I hate "browns" and "gays" in your opinion?

My daughter will be fine. I have rules when it comes to parenting my child. Every parent should. Thankfully, none of them concern racism or homophobia.

You're wasting your time Dunne, he's far too obvious to take seriously.

pjohnson · 04-07-2019 12:39am

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You're wasting your time Dunne, he's far too obvious to take seriously.

There you guys go again. Not treating people equally because you disagree with them.

Kimsang · 04-07-2019 1:19am

pjohnson wrote: »

What is this "Proud Boys" rubbish? There are so many of these groups its impossible to keep up.

Proud Boys were founded by Vice news co-founder Gavin McGuinness. They are designated as anti-Muslim and misogynistic by Southern Poverty Law Centre(and are currently suing for defamation).They are also banned from you-tube & twitter. They self-proclaim as 'western chauvinists'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDNOiR1xCGI

A Proud Boy and an Antifa activist discuss violence, racism and protests...
Luis Enrique Marquez and Rob Cantrall sit down in Portland, Oregon for a face-to-face conversation. They talk about racism, violence, protests, fascism and more.

Both of these despicable people have previously engaged in violence and violent rhetoric(Luis / Rob)
What strikes me, is Luis(antifa)'s inability to actually talk to Rob(Proud Boy). Whereas Rob seems open to engaging to ideas, Luis childishly waits until the moderator(BBC) repeat Rob's question.
Luis also seems only to answer in the negative to everything Rob says. I wish Luis got asked some questions first. I guess this may have been a stipulation.
Luis is clearly unwilling to actually engage in ideas, but instead resorts to name-calling every-time.
Its' not an easy watch, as both are clearly stoned off their tits, in a stoner club;
Although I did like this line:
Luis: "You're a misogynist!"
Rob: "You're half right, I'm a misanthrope; I don't trust people"

Luis: "If you have one person here, and one nazi there; and they engage in friendly conversation, then you have two nazis"

For me this raises one question:
Shouldn't civil debate be the first thing we can agree on?

To highlight this point on the national stage in the US, Biden was attacked by Kamala Harris at the recent democratic candidate debate because Biden recalled 'civility' with segregationist senators over two years ago.

"I've been around so long, I worked with James Eastland," Biden said when he was stumping for Jones two years ago. "Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You'd get up and you'd argue like the devil with them. Then you'd go down and have lunch or dinner together. The political system worked. We were divided on issues, but the political system worked."

Even with Talmadge - "one of the meanest guys I ever knew" - Biden noted, "At least there was some civility. We got things done. We didn't agree on much of anything. We got things done."

To me it looks like the far-left is losing this spirit of getting things done.

Woodsie1 · 04-07-2019 1:28am

klaaaz wrote: »

You were going well until you introduced your prejudice against the gender fluidity population which have zero harm on a child's development.

pure bollox

markodaly · 04-07-2019 1:49am

Calhoun wrote: »

That tweet from Ricky Gervais is so on point, for liberals who say words can hurt actually engaged in physical violence its crazy.

They will go to far at some stage and will be outlawed like other groups just a matter of when. For now though they are doing damage to the side they represent and is partially why i believe they are allowed still exist.

This cuts to the chase, to be honest.

Those on the left wing side of things would generally pride themselves on being more empathic, tolerant and understanding than their right-wing counterparts.
After all, those traits are core aspects of left-wing social values, are they not?

However, it is bizarre to the layman that when so much effort is made to drill home the point that words 'hurt' and have consequences that the same people would have no qualms with assaulting 'nazis' or journalists or throwing milkshakes over politicians.

Its all a veneer of civility where under it all, they are driven by the same emotive and behavioral response of being a human, something many of the left are both afraid of and in denial about.

markodaly · 04-07-2019 2:27am

_blaaz wrote: »

You wouldnt trust word of an unqualified doctor on medical issue...why would you read unqualified journalists??

Walter Cronkite dropped out of the University of Texas (where he was studying economics and political science) in his junior year to concentrate on his journalism career. He never graduated.

Is he not a real 'unqualified' journalist?

Charlie Bird never attended University and got his break as a contact point between the Provo's and RTE in the 70's.

Is he not a real 'unqualified' journalist?

It makes no sense like??

A truer word never been spoken.

markodaly · 04-07-2019 2:30am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FYI: Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Un and China aren't communist.

Annnndd... here we go.. the topic goes to $hit.

No true Scotsman fallacy exhibit A.

markodaly · 04-07-2019 2:48am

20Cent wrote: »

No thanks, there is no choice it is now self defence.

You are so ignorant of your own history it's quite funny really.

That is how the troubles kicked off in the North. The Provo's armed themselves to 'defend' their community and then engaged in a 30 long years war with the Security Forces, while killing innocent women and children on the way to accepting a peace deal with more or less confirmed the status quo regards ownership of the north and a UI only by democratic means.

Not so funnily enough, another journalist on this island was killed by your own thought process. A gay woman called Lyra McKee because some idiots still think the way you do and are still 'defending' Ireland's right to freedom, whatever that is.

So 20cent, why do you excuse the murder of journalists on this island?
Why do you absolve those responsible for death and murder?
Why do you get kicks out of winding people up by using the death and violence perpetrated against other people as a tool?

Kimsang · 04-07-2019 4:13am

Mayor Ted Wheeler seems to be the dickhead orchestrating this whole thing, by allowing Antifa free reign on the streets.

Daryl Turner(Portland police union president)has criticized Wheeler for failing to condemn Antifa, allowing the clashes between Antifa and the Proud Boys, and has asked the mayor to remove the handcuffs from their officers and let them stop the violence through strong and swift enforcement action.

Turner said if this violence had been directed at Antifa, there would have been an immediate call for an independent, outside investigation and this is a perfect example of Portland politics at work and why our Portland is now under fire in the national news.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48849035

[Warning, graphic] https://twitter.com/ThePortlandTrib/status/1145103473010184193

It was a familiar scene, most of the city’s streets were shut down or blocked as roving bands of Antifa, clad in black and wearing hoods or helmets with black face masks, attacked police, conservative demonstrators, and at least one journalist.

Mayor Wheeler dismisses such 'rumours and false narratives', and condemns 'those who seek to divide and polarise'.

Wheeler also wrote a memo with the subject line "Thank You", the mayor praised police for working to keep the peace during potentially volatile situations

_blaaz · 04-07-2019 7:17am

markodaly wrote: »

Walter Cronkite dropped out of the University of Texas (where he was studying economics and political science) in his junior year to concentrate on his journalism career. He never graduated.

Is he not a real 'unqualified' journalist?

Charlie Bird never attended University and got his break as a contact point between the Provo's and RTE in the 70's.

Is he not a real 'unqualified' journalist?

By your own admission they arent qualified

Blueshoe · 04-07-2019 8:05am

_blaaz wrote: »

By your own admission they arent qualified

Fully qualified scour merchant

SnakePlissken · 04-07-2019 8:26am

pjohnson wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You're wasting your time Dunne, he's far too obvious to take seriously.

There you guys go again. Not treating people equally because you disagree with them.

Ah playing the victim card are we? The audacity, you claimed a poster was a misogynist raising his daughter to be both subservient and racist, you did this without proof or provocation, you did this, because you simply lack the facilities to debate with even a modicum of maturity, so you're correct, I don't see myself as equal to you thankfully.

It's reassuring to see the great majority see Antifa as loathsome, violent, and quite frankly as stupid as their counterparts on the Far Right, that only a small few posters are defending their assault on this journalist with inane, illogical, and yes, outright stupid posts means this thread has run it's course for me.

04-07-2019 8:27am

_blaaz wrote: »

By your own admission they arent qualified

I know a guy making a very good living at wedding and event photography. He is at it 20 years but has no qualifications in photography.

I suppose we can't call him a photographer.

What is a journalist anyway? It barely requires a qualification. Which these days is a left wing indoctrination camp anyway.

Take your camera, take your pen and go out and report honestly on the world = journalist. Simple as that.

20Cent · 04-07-2019 8:45am

Embedded journalist might suit better.

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