Any bleeding heart rental story ..

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 11:29am #1

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/desperate-mother-of-twins-5-who-cant-afford-her-rent-we-could-be-found-dead-on-the-streets-thats-my-worst-fear-34124125.html

No mention of looking for work while the kids are in school

I note some of the comments below the article say its the greedy landlords fault...

L1011 · 20-10-2015 11:31am

Doesn't even know the current, or former, name of the support from the state she's getting - "rental allowance" mentioned twice there.

Gatling · 20-10-2015 11:33am

Two words

"Personal responsibility "

Second Toughest in_the Freshers · 20-10-2015 11:36am

Rent shouldn't be increased again till January...

Flatzie_poo · 20-10-2015 11:38am

“I don’t know what I’m going to do. I feel like I’m having a breakdown. I’m trying to keep it together for the girls. My priority is a roof over their heads.”

This should have been her priority before having kids.

People genuinely worried about being homeless shouldn't go to the press, they should go to employers.

neris · 20-10-2015 11:40am

Flatzie_poo wrote: »

“I don’t know what I’m going to do. I feel like I’m having a breakdown. I’m trying to keep it together for the girls. My priority is a roof over their heads.”

This should have been her priority before having kids.

People genuinely worried about being homeless shouldn't go to the press, they should go to employers.

why?

2 kids at 26 and not a mention of a father

seamus · 20-10-2015 11:43am

Renting a house in Knocklyon is going to be expensive alright. If she moves about 1km west, there'll be something she can afford.

I'm really sick of this, "If I can't live in the exact place I'm living right now, I have no other options but to sleep rough" nonsense.

It's all people unwilling to change their circumstances to suit their means.

Evil-p · 20-10-2015 11:45am

Woah so many judgments with so little information.

However assuming you are correct that this person is in receipt of rent allowance the following is true:

The children are in school. It is incredibly destructive to move children mid-term.

With 2 children and afterschool costing around €25 a day per child she would have childcare expenses of €250 a week (around €1100 per month). Her rent is rising to €1400. Before paying a single bill or eating a morsel of food she would have to earn €2500 a month. Allowing for food etc for family of 3 say she would have to earn +€40k a year. Part time school hour jobs are more or less impossible to find and the ones that do pay pittance. This women is well and truly in a welfare trap.

Flatzie_poo · 20-10-2015 11:50am

neris wrote: »

why?
2 kids at 26 and not a mention of a father or 2...

Well there generally aren't 2 fathers involved with twins...

She consistently blames all Landlords & the Government in the article, no mention of trying for a job that suits her predicament...

there are places in Ireland with lower rent demands if she needs it.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers · 20-10-2015 11:50am

neris wrote: »

2 kids at 26 and not a mention of a father or 2...

Kids are twins..

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 11:51am

Evil-p wrote: »

Woah so many judgments with so little information.

However assuming you are correct that this person is in receipt of rent allowance the following is true:

The children are in school. It is incredibly destructive to move children mid-term.

With 2 children and afterschool costing around €25 a day per child she would have childcare expenses of €250 a week (around €1100 per month). Her rent is rising to €1400. Before paying a single bill or eating a morsel of food she would have to earn €2500 a month. Allowing for food etc for family of 3 say she would have to earn +€40k a year. Part time school hour jobs are more or less impossible to find and the ones that do pay pittance. This women is well and truly in a welfare trap.

I would say having no where to live would be more destructive than moving school

Evil-p · 20-10-2015 11:55am

handlemaster wrote: »

I would say having no where to live would be more destructive than moving school

Of course i agree handlemaster but if they could be kept in their current school till the summer it would be far less disruptive.

The "Growing up Ireland" report released new findings today about the massive impact financial problems have on children. It cannot be discounted.

syklops · 20-10-2015 11:55am

L1011 wrote: »

Doesn't even know the current, or former, name of the support from the state she's getting - "rental allowance" mentioned twice there.

Mentioned twice in the article but never in a quote by the mother. More likely the journalist doesnt know the correct name.

seamus · 20-10-2015 11:56am

Evil-p wrote: »

The children are in school. It is incredibly destructive to move children mid-term.

They don't have to move school unless she decides to move to the other side of the city.

Sure, it might be a longer trek in the morning, but unfortunately when things change you have to roll with it.

Flatzie_poo · 20-10-2015 11:56am

Evil-p wrote: »

I'm fascinated. What is the correct age to have 2 children?

When you can afford it.

loyatemu · 20-10-2015 12:02pm

this place is turning into the Daily Mail. There are 11 properties in the whole of Dublin currently available for under €1000 on Daft, half of them are in Balbriggan (I wonder why Balbriggan is so cheap?).

Whatever this woman's circumstances and the lack of information & poor-mouth nature of the Indo article, there's clearly a major shortage of supply which is not her fault.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers · 20-10-2015 12:02pm

Maybe she thought she could afford one..

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 12:14pm

Evil-p wrote: »

Of course i agree handlemaster but if they could be kept in their current school till the summer it would be far less disruptive.

The "Growing up Ireland" report released new findings today about the massive impact financial problems have on children. It cannot be discounted.

They are twins id imagine they play together and are their own best friends. I think in this case a move is warranted mid term. The mother was on about living in a tent. If your that desperate im sure moving outside of dublin would be the option. She doesnt work and everything is being paid by social so whats the issue?

Flatzie_poo · 20-10-2015 12:15pm

Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »

Maybe she thought she could afford one..

Maybe, and then 2 popped along.

People should err on the side of caution with family planning.

Myself and the GF could physically have as many kids as we like. But we haven't had one yet. Why not? Cause we prioritized a house, car etc and a prospective wedding. We're coming to this stage now with our first child on the cards sometime soon.

Why only now? Cause we need a secure environment and resources for the child. To avoid exactly what is in that article happening to us.

We are being smart. She wasn't. She gets "Rent Allowance". We don't.

slangamerican · 20-10-2015 12:21pm

Best line on Rent Allowance - "it's money guaranteed" - not to the landlord it isn't

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 12:32pm

slangamerican wrote: »

Best line on Rent Allowance - "it's money guaranteed" - not to the landlord it isn't

I noted that also. Its a quagmire for landlords its anything but guaranteed. The tenant can request that the payments to the landlord be stopped at anytime.

Gatling · 20-10-2015 12:35pm

Worse part about all of these stories are the government bailed out the bankers and haven't done a thing for me .
Many people 10+ years on rent supplement and benefits costing €100,000 + and yet the government hasn't helped them at all

L1011 · 20-10-2015 12:36pm

syklops wrote: »

Mentioned twice in the article but never in a quote by the mother. More likely the journalist doesnt know the correct name.

Both references to it are in the same quote from the mother.

Kimbot · 20-10-2015 12:41pm

Does the girl not have parents that can help her out???

This is just typical Woe is me bullcrap to drum up sympathy so she can get what she wants.

Turtle_ · 20-10-2015 12:47pm

jonny24ie wrote: »

Does the girl not have parents that can help her out???

This is just typical Woe is me bullcrap to drum up sympathy so she can get what she wants.

Yeah exactly. And also, Neris has a point, where the hell is the father? Why is it always down to the state to support these situations? Why not chase the father? Surely he has more obligation to support and house those kids than the taxpayers have.

syklops · 20-10-2015 12:48pm

L1011 wrote: »

Both references to it are in the same quote from the mother.

Fair enough but the phrase is used twice more in the article. Any chance its an auto correct fail?

fussyonion · 20-10-2015 1:12pm

What boils my blood is when people on RA say things like "...Landlord won't accept Ra. It's greed" or when I see Gumtree ads saying things like "..looking for a decent, warm-hearted Landlord who will accept RA."

It's always the LL who gets the blame and it's not right.
I used to be on RA. I know how hard it is to find someone who will take it but I was always very understanding of my LL when he had to increase the rent.

As hard as it might be to believe, I used feel terrible when the RA was reduced and I had to ask my LL to reduce the rent.
On more than one occasion I said to my other half "It's not fair that he should have to reduce the rent. Why should he?"

When my LL said he couldn't reduce it, I told him I fully understood and we just kept looking for somewhere else.

It's not the LL's fault you can't find somewhere willing to take RA.
Blame someone else.

hardCopy · 20-10-2015 1:14pm

She will not be on the streets, she'll be in a hotel that night. Still not a great outcome but she won't die on a street

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-10-2015 1:15pm

I often wonder where the parents/family/friends are in cases like this (not just this particular one). I appreciate that long term its not a solution but better than going homeless

jobless · 20-10-2015 1:23pm

its very unfair for people to comment on when or not someone should have children, you dont know her circumstances..... maybe she was in a relationship and maybe the father did a runner leaving her with two children... If he did then people should be directing their ire at him...
The problem is that rents are jumping at an alarming rate and the government are not bothered doing anything to stop it...

mel123 · 20-10-2015 1:30pm

Absolutely sick of all these stories. There are some genuine cases as we all know, all you have to do is walk around the city centre at night, that's real homelessness.
These women who think they are 'due' a free house boil my blood. I know of two people 'crying homeless' just to get a house and they are no more homeless than I am.
I am not saying this case in question is not genuine, I am talking about the ones which we all know are not. I get jack from the government because I work, and the people who don't work get a nice big house for little or nothing. It doesn't make sense, our government needs to step up. It just shouldn't make sense that you are better off not working in this country.

Rabo Karabekian · 20-10-2015 1:49pm

handlemaster wrote: »

I note some of the comments below the article say its the greedy landlords fault...

raising the rent twice in a year is not permitted (correct me if I'm wrong) so it is the landlord's fault. Whether he's greedy or not is subjective. Seems like he was renting the place at well below market rate and is trying to get it up to that level.

As for whether she should have had kids at her age, the status of the father, none of that applies. She can't afford a double rent increase and that rent increase isn't allowed.

the vast majority of people responding here seem to forget they're in the accommodation & property forum and not in the comments section of the Daily Mail.

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 1:59pm

Rabo Karabekian wrote: »

raising the rent twice in a year is not permitted (correct me if I'm wrong) so it is the landlord's fault. Whether he's greedy or not is subjective. Seems like he was renting the place at well below market rate and is trying to get it up to that level.

As for whether she should have had kids at her age, the status of the father, none of that applies. She can't afford a double rent increase and that rent increase isn't allowed.

the vast majority of people responding here seem to forget they're in the accommodation & property forum and not in the comments section of the Daily Mail.

if the last rent increase was last january the next should be january coming. it does seem that the landlord was offering the place below market rent so they can't be all that bad. Its a simple case it appears of someone wanting to live in an area that they can't afford or in this case the state can't afford to pay for.

jimmycrackcorm · 20-10-2015 2:03pm

Evil-p wrote:

The children are in school. It is incredibly destructive to move children mid-term.

Some people have to change jobs and move their families during the school year because jobs don't just get advertised during the summer.

But of course it's ok to expect the state to allow you choose where you want to live and pick up the tab.

athtrasna · 20-10-2015 2:09pm

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allibastor · 20-10-2015 2:11pm

It is a bit ****ty that her rent has been increased 500 euro in a year period.

I appreciate that the rental market is getting very competitive, but they do need a small bit of a cap on it, 500 in a 12-13 month period is madness.
I wish my job payed me 500 a month extra every year!!!

road_high · 20-10-2015 2:13pm

handlemaster wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/desperate-mother-of-twins-5-who-cant-afford-her-rent-we-could-be-found-dead-on-the-streets-thats-my-worst-fear-34124125.html

No mention of looking for work while the kids are in school

I note some of the comments below the article say its the greedy landlords fault...

Or god forbid a bit of family planning beforehand as to who has been would provide a house etc for the kids. Ridiculous carry on.

handlemaster · 20-10-2015 3:17pm

allibastor wrote: »

It is a bit ****ty that her rent has been increased 500 euro in a year period.

I appreciate that the rental market is getting very competitive, but they do need a small bit of a cap on it, 500 in a 12-13 month period is madness.
I wish my job payed me 500 a month extra every year!!!

You do realise how much of that rent is going directly to the government ?

if the rent been charged was under market rate this should have been planned for.

Butters1979 · 20-10-2015 3:47pm

Rent prices are set by demand, not by 'greedy landlords'. If she can't afford a 3 bedroom house then she needs to move to something smaller. In the meantime those who are willing to pay the going rates can't live were they want because of this.
1400 is fair for where she is living and what she is living in, regardless of what it used to be. Again why should she prevent someone willing to pay what it's worth move in?
If the landlord upped the rent in January he can't do it again until next January, she can find somewhere else to live. This idiot is actually talking about pitching a tent?

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-10-2015 4:09pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

Rent prices are set by demand, not by 'greedy landlords'. If she can't afford a 3 bedroom house then she needs to move to something smaller. In the meantime those who are willing to pay the going rates can't live were they want because of this.
1400 is fair for where she is living and what she is living in, regardless of what it used to be. Again why should she prevent someone willing to pay what it's worth move in?
If the landlord upped the rent in January he can't do it again until next January, she can find somewhere else to live. This idiot is actually talking about pitching a tent?

Thats it, someone will be willing to pay it,or else it wouldnt be set at that amount. Its not greedy landlords or anything like that, its the going rate and they want to get value for their investment.

If rents plummetedwould people want to government to subsidise landlords?

Butters1979 · 20-10-2015 4:17pm

Rabo Karabekian wrote: »

raising the rent twice in a year is not permitted (correct me if I'm wrong) so it is the landlord's fault. Whether he's greedy or not is subjective. Seems like he was renting the place at well below market rate and is trying to get it up to that level.

As for whether she should have had kids at her age, the status of the father, none of that applies. She can't afford a double rent increase and that rent increase isn't allowed.

the vast majority of people responding here seem to forget they're in the accommodation & property forum and not in the comments section of the Daily Mail.

It's not permitted, it's illegal and so she could refuse and have the law on her side. The fact that that isn't the (very selective with the facts) story tells me that most likely the LL intends to raise the rent again in January and has given her prior notice.

Well within someone's right to charge going rates for something they own, regardless of the individuals financial situation. I don't go into a shop and say 'I earn less than that guy so give me stuff for cheaper'

BTW I'm a tenant not a LL but I compete fairly for where I want to live and live where I can afford.

Ashbx · 20-10-2015 4:22pm

jobless wrote: »

its very unfair for people to comment on when or not someone should have children, you dont know her circumstances..... maybe she was in a relationship and maybe the father did a runner leaving her with two children... If he did then people should be directing their ire at him...
The problem is that rents are jumping at an alarming rate and the government are not bothered doing anything to stop it...

I don't know this girl personally but I know people who do. Not going to air her dirty laundry here. All I will say is don't believe everything you read in the papers!

L1011 · 20-10-2015 4:36pm

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To achieve what ends?

If the article means January '15 as "last January", all the landlord has done wrong is attempt two prices rises in less than 12 months - for the PRTB to handle, not vigilante justice

If they mean January 14, which is what I'd consider "last January" to be, they've done nothing wrong at all.

Gazzmonkey · 20-10-2015 4:36pm

fussyonion wrote: »

What boils my blood is when people on RA say things like "...Landlord won't accept Ra. It's greed" or when I see Gumtree ads saying things like "..looking for a decent, warm-hearted Landlord who will accept RA."

It's always the LL who gets the blame and it's not right.
I used to be on RA. I know how hard it is to find someone who will take it but I was always very understanding of my LL when he had to increase the rent.

As hard as it might be to believe, I used feel terrible when the RA was reduced and I had to ask my LL to reduce the rent.
On more than one occasion I said to my other half "It's not fair that he should have to reduce the rent. Why should he?"

When my LL said he couldn't reduce it, I told him I fully understood and we just kept looking for somewhere else.

It's not the LL's fault you can't find somewhere willing to take RA.
Blame someone else.

You make yourself sound like a landlord btw

Grolschevik · 20-10-2015 4:41pm

L1011 wrote: »

If they mean January 14, which is what I'd consider "last January" to be

"Last January" is January 2015.

L1011 · 20-10-2015 4:42pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

???

What I'd consider normal, and some media sources use:

"last January" = last year, 2014
"January" = this year, 2015
"next January = next year, 2016

What RTE at the least use:

"last January" = this year, 2015
"January" = **** knows, 2015 or 2016 depending what the writer thinks.
"next January" = next year, 2016

You don't refer to anything else that happened in the same time frame as "last" whatever, ever.

athtrasna · 20-10-2015 5:04pm

Thread closed pending review. Despite earlier warning this thread has gone seriously off topic

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