Moon Landing

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 10:04am #1

This is an official photo from NASA, if you zoom in on the visor of the astronaut what do you see.

Dohnjoe · 26-08-2018 2:45pm

Another astronaut?

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 3:59pm

He's not wearing a space suit, so it must be a stage hand.

Tzardine · 26-08-2018 4:07pm

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/no-thats-not-a-stagehand-in-an-apollo-astronaut-photo

King Mob · 26-08-2018 4:23pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

He's not wearing a space suit, so it must be a stage hand.

But he is wearing a space suit...

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 4:33pm

Clearly not wearing a space suit and the shadow has been edited.

verycool · 26-08-2018 4:36pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

Clearly not wearing a space suit

...in your opinion.

JJJJNR wrote: »

and the shadow has been edited.

Proof of a before / after or a breakdown of methods used to photoshop the shadow?

King Mob · 26-08-2018 4:36pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

Clearly not wearing a space suit and the shadow has been edited.

But he clearly is wearing a space suit.

And edited by who? And why? Why edit the show only, but not the image of the person "clearly" not in space suit?

And what, do you think this photo is faked? Why then have a stage hand? Why leave him in the picture? Why let the photo get out? Why leave it easily findable?

Do you think we didn't go to the Moon?

Dohnjoe · 26-08-2018 4:38pm

So if you believe this is a "stage hand"..

Why would they edit the shadow, but not the "stage hand"?

Why would they edit the shadow wrong?

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 4:44pm

It's clearly not a space suit, the edit on the shadow is to gaslight anyone who calls it out.

King Mob · 26-08-2018 4:47pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

It's clearly not a space suit, the edit on the shadow is to gaslight anyone who calls it out.

It's clearly a space suit though. I don't understand why you think it's not.

But edited by who and to what end?

Surely if they just wanted to cover it up, they'd just edit the whole thing, or not release it.

And again, do you believe that we didn't go to the moon?

Dohnjoe · 26-08-2018 4:48pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

It's clearly not a space suit, the edit on the shadow is to gaslight anyone who calls it out.

There's nothing clear about it. It's your opinion it's not a spacesuit, not a fact.

If it really were a "stage hand" why would they leave the "stage hand" in there when editing it?

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 4:49pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

It's clearly not a space suit, the edit on the shadow is to gaslight anyone who calls it out.

It is a spacesuit. You'd have to really stretch your mind to think it wasn't. Look at the boots, dead give away that it is a space suit. Thick and insulated.

It's just confirmation bias on your part.

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 4:51pm

He's not even wearing one of those bulbous helmets obviously the helmet is so massive it would be huge and obvious whereas there's nothing there just a normal head.

Here we go · 26-08-2018 4:52pm

Suprized you went with a very blurry pic and not buzz alldrean interview where he said they never went there when he was confused a month or so
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4uluUQXiji4

Will I Am Not · 26-08-2018 4:53pm

Do you think the person zooming in to edit the shadow wouldn’t have noticed someone not wearing a spacesuit?
Just a question aside from the point they clearly are wearing a spacesuit.

King Mob · 26-08-2018 4:53pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

He's not even wearing one of those bulbous helmets obviously the helmet is so massive it would be huge and obvious whereas there's nothing there just a normal head.

But it does have a helmet. The image is just distorted slightly by the curve of the visor.

Why are you ignoring our questions?

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 4:55pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

This is an official photo from NASA, if you zoom in on the visor of the astronaut what do you see.

What do you see I am confused? Are you talking about the other astronaut in the visor?

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 4:56pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

He's not even wearing one of those bulbous helmets obviously the helmet is so massive it would be huge and obvious whereas there's nothing there just a normal head.

You're looking at it through a skewed perspective. The visor is not a mirror. Its reflection will distort the image. It looks very much like someone wearing a spacesuit.

Here we go · 26-08-2018 4:57pm

Btw I do believe we went the moon and it’s just his age and he’s confused

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 5:01pm

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

You're looking at it through a skewed perspective. The visor is not a mirror. Its reflection will distort the image. It looks very much like someone wearing a spacesuit.

So how come the shadow isn't distorted like you say, there are clear straight lines on the shadows.

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 5:01pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

He's not even wearing one of those bulbous helmets obviously the helmet is so massive it would be huge and obvious whereas there's nothing there just a normal head.

It's a distorted view let us be real here. It looks like another astronaut to me in proper gear, you can even see their wearing headgear.

King Mob · 26-08-2018 5:02pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

So how come the shadow isn't distorted like you say, there are clear straight lines on the shadows.

Umm.. maybe answer some of the questions put to you before asking other people questions?

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 5:08pm

Case closed there nothing odd about this. Any other Moon photos you find strange?

BorneTobyWilde · 26-08-2018 5:09pm

I have what might be a silly question, if no gravity on the Moon how come when they walk on the surface that's so soft and dusty,that dust is not floating up from the surface. How come a unsecure rock or stone or dust just sits on the surface?

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 5:12pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I have what might be a silly question, if no gravity on the Moon how come when they walk on the surface that's so soft and dusty,that dust is not floating up from the surface. How come a unsecure rock or stone or dust just sits on the surface?

The moon has a gravitational pull. It's not zero. It's just substantially less than Earth's.

King Mob · 26-08-2018 5:12pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I have what might be a silly question, if no gravity on the Moon how come when they walk on the surface that's so soft and dusty,that dust is not floating up from the surface. How come a unsecure rock or stone or dust just sits on the surface?

There is gravity on the moon, it's just about 1/6 the force it is on Earth.

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 5:14pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

So how come the shadow isn't distorted like you say, there are clear straight lines on the shadows.

How are you in a position to decide if the shadow is distorted? Do you know the angle of the source(s) of light? Do you know the light strength, and all the other possible variables, along with the amount the image is skewed by the visor to make such a comment?

mickdw · 26-08-2018 5:15pm

The person in the reflection doesn't appear to be taking the photo though.

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 5:15pm

I answered it already. This is clearly a stage setup and the shadow was a poor attempt at a shadow of a space suit, using very old software. There are straight lines in the shadows similar to using a low grade editor like mspaint which back then when it was originally published would have been cutting edge.

It's so fake it's funny.

Dohnjoe · 26-08-2018 5:16pm

mickdw wrote: »

The person in the reflection doesn't appear to be taking the photo though.

The clue is with the main astronaut in the photo

verycool · 26-08-2018 5:16pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

I answered it already. This is clearly a stage setup and the shadow was a poor attempt at a shadow of a space suit, using very old software. There are straight lines in the shadows similar to using a low grade editor like mspaint which back then when it was originally published would have been cutting edge.

It's so fake it's funny.

Again... prove it without opinion, with backed up research of this "very old software".

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 5:19pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

I answered it already. This is clearly a stage setup and the shadow was a poor attempt at a shadow of a space suit, using very old software. There are straight lines in the shadows similar to using a low grade editor like mspaint which back then when it was originally published would have been cutting edge.

It's so fake it's funny.

What straight lines?

Please don't make the claim that anything is "clearly" a stage setup. Nobody in this thread agrees with your findings.

What I see as an objective viewer, with no intent of "trying" to see a certain image is the skewed reflection in a visor of another astronaut in a spacesuit.

Tzardine · 26-08-2018 5:22pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

I answered it already. This is clearly a stage setup and the shadow was a poor attempt at a shadow of a space suit, using very old software. There are straight lines in the shadows similar to using a low grade editor like mspaint which back then when it was originally published would have been cutting edge.

It's so fake it's funny.

You are laughable. Photo editor like MS Paint lol. The same year this photo was taken they invented the scientific electronic calculator.

The technology to edit photos was a long , long, long way off.

https://www.semicolonblog.com/?p=16973

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 5:28pm

mickdw wrote: »

The person in the reflection doesn't appear to be taking the photo though.

There likely to be a camera attached to his suit, it just a distorted out of focus image we looking at. You can trace the line of sight for this photograph and it matches up.

Will I Am Not · 26-08-2018 5:29pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

It's so fake it's funny.

Bit like this thread...

King Mob · 26-08-2018 5:32pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

I answered it already. This is clearly a stage setup and the shadow was a poor attempt at a shadow of a space suit, using very old software. There are straight lines in the shadows similar to using a low grade editor like mspaint which back then when it was originally published would have been cutting edge.

It's so fake it's funny.

No, you have not answered any of my questions.

You have not explained why they would edit the shadow, but not the person.
You have not explained why they would release an "obviously" fake picture.
You have not explained who they are.
You have not explained whether you not believe we went to the moon.
You have not explained why you are avoiding these questions.

mickdw · 26-08-2018 5:32pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The clue is with the main astronaut in the photo

I'm aware of the camera attached to torso however that seems reasonably fixed in the dead ahead position.
Person in reflection does not appear to be suitably lined up. I'm not offering an opinion either way but the person in the reflection does appear to be standing very casually/ more naturally that someone wearing the clumsy suit.

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 5:37pm

mickdw wrote: »

I'm aware of the camera attached to torso however that seems reasonably fixed in the dead ahead position.
Person in reflection does not appear to be suitably lined up. I'm not offering an opinion either way but the person in the reflection does appear to be standing very casually/ more naturally that someone wearing the clumsy suit.

The Astronaut's head is turned it like a side view the second person in the visor is actually photographing him dead on, straight line of sight.

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 5:37pm

Are you referring to the reticles in the image when you refer to the straight lines, OP? This is what they were used for.

The Data Camera used on the lunar surface during the Apollo 11 mission and later Moon landings was a 500EL with additional modifications. A transparent glass Reseau plate, or register glass, engraved with grid markings was placed between the film magazine and the camera body, immediately in front of the film plane. The plate is engraved with crosses to form a grid and the intersections accurately calibrated to a tolerance of 0.002 mm. The crosses were recorded on every exposed film frame. From the markings, it is possible to calibrate distance and heights in photos taken either on the lunar surface or from space. Such markings were not new or unique to the space program. They were commonly used for large format scientific and aerial photography prior to the Moon landings, when the large size of the photographic negative could be distorted either during exposure or the printing process.

Dohnjoe · 26-08-2018 5:41pm

mickdw wrote: »

I'm aware of the camera attached to torso however that seems reasonably fixed in the dead ahead position.
Person in reflection does not appear to be suitably lined up. I'm not offering an opinion either way but the person in the reflection does appear to be standing very casually/ more naturally that someone wearing the clumsy suit.

It's a curved visor. I see nothing strange about his position.

JJJJNR · 26-08-2018 5:41pm

there are straight lines here on the shadow so I don't buy the distorted reflection theory.

Tzardine · 26-08-2018 5:43pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

there are straight lines here on the shadow so I don't buy the distorted reflection theory.

Are we sure that it is not actually Big Foot ? I mean, can we be certain.

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 5:47pm

mickdw hopefully this explain sorry for crap drawn red line. The first Astronaut is near the rock so you tell the position is accurate. The Astronaut up ahead along the line near a rock face on the moon.

mickdw · 26-08-2018 6:04pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

mickdw hopefully this explain sorry for crap drawn red line. The first Astronaut is near the rock so you tell the position is accurate. The Astronaut up ahead along the line near a rock face on the moon.

Okay, you might have a point however if the red line is reasonably representative of the way the guy taking the photo is facing, surely the shadow of his backpack is not right. I would expect, given the direction the others shadows that the shadow of backpack would be directly onto his own back.

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 6:18pm

mickdw wrote: »

Okay, you might have a point however if the red line is reasonably representative of the way the guy taking the photo is facing, surely the shadow of his backpack is not right. I would expect, given the direction the others shadows that the shadow of backpack would be directly onto his own back.

I might be wrong about this but my feeling the second person it looking up along those red lines. We have to find out what camera they used was a wide angled lens

What shadow are you referring to, can you highlight it for me?

no.8 · 26-08-2018 6:19pm

The Internet allows for far too many outspoken fools with opinions. I suppose they staged the launches of all those Saturn V's as well?

Edgarfrndly · 26-08-2018 6:23pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

there are straight lines here on the shadow so I don't buy the distorted reflection theory.

I don't see straight lines. Are we looking at the same image?

And it's not a "theory". It's an objective analysis. The visor is curved and as such its reflection will be distorted and not a true representation of the image it reflects.

You're just trying to see something that doesn't exist to support your bias.

mickdw · 26-08-2018 6:49pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What shadow are you referring to, can you highlight it for me?

I'm talking about the shadow within the visor.
Your first red lone shows a general direction he is facing (the guy taking the photo). I don't believe we should then see the bulk of his backpack in the shadow.

mickdw · 26-08-2018 6:54pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

mickdw hopefully this explain sorry for crap drawn red line. The first Astronaut is near the rock so you tell the position is accurate. The Astronaut up ahead along the line near a rock face on the moon.

This one. Going by your red line which appears reasonable and the shadow at his feet, you would imagine little to none of the backpack would be visible on shadow.

Cheerful Spring · 26-08-2018 7:19pm

mickdw wrote: »

This one. Going by your red line which appears reasonable and the shadow at his feet, you would imagine little to none of the backpack would be visible on shadow.

I have to go offline but this should help shadows are caused by a light source. See where the blue line the light is in that direction. So yes you would see a shadow of his backpack on the ground.

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