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Make 2019 the Year of Pollinators

  • 10-02-2019 9:44pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭


    We knew things we bad but it looks like they are worse than feared -

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006320718313636

    Biodiversity of insects is threatened worldwide. Here, we present a comprehensive review of 73 historical reports of insect declines from across the globe, and systematically assess the underlying drivers. Our work reveals dramatic rates of decline that may lead to the extinction of 40% of the world's insect species over the next few decades.

    In terrestrial ecosystems, Lepidoptera, Hymenoptera and dung beetles (Coleoptera) appear to be the taxa most affected, whereas four major aquatic taxa (Odonata, Plecoptera, Trichoptera and Ephemeroptera) have already lost a considerable proportion of species. Affected insect groups not only include specialists that occupy particular ecological niches, but also many common and generalist species.

    Concurrently, the abundance of a small number of species is increasing; these are all adaptable, generalist species that are occupying the vacant niches left by the ones declining. Among aquatic insects, habitat and dietary generalists, and pollutant-tolerant species are replacing the large biodiversity losses experienced in waters within agricultural and urban settings.

    The main drivers of species declines appear to be in order of importance: i) habitat loss and conversion to intensive agriculture and urbanisation; ii) pollution, mainly that by synthetic pesticides and fertilisers; iii) biological factors, including pathogens and introduced species; and iv) climate change. The latter factor is particularly important in tropical regions, but only affects a minority of species in colder climes and mountain settings of temperate zones.

    A rethinking of current agricultural practices, in particular a serious reduction in pesticide usage and its substitution with more sustainable, ecologically-based practices, is urgently needed to slow or reverse current trends, allow the recovery of declining insect populations and safeguard the vital ecosystem services they provide. In addition, effective remediation technologies should be applied to clean polluted waters in both agricultural and urban environments.

    What can we do? Small things but which add up locally and if nothing else we can know we did our bit.

    Go here for the national pollination programme http://pollinators.ie/gardens/

    https://irishbeekeeping.ie/education/articles/flowers-for-bees/


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Currently removing moss and grass from front lawns, plan is to have at least one wild meadow in there for the summer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    I was planning to get strawberries along the garden walls and the roof of the greenhouse.
    Now,im going to plant all those nice flowers as in the poster.
    All over the space,front and back.

    I'll built something out of the long 3m white plastic gutters and along with some compost plant flowers.
    Fix them along the wall.

    Also,thinking of building a back small extension,may get the roof covered with plants rather than the blanks tiles.

    I'll try printing and laminate the posters,drop them few of them to my local 3 garden shops and 2 Woodies Garden Centres.
    Jut leave them out there on the wall or doors / windows for everyoen to see and make thier mind to buy a single person a single flower and it may make difference.


    I'll try sending to some of the schools / teachers and get the children involved along in the spring,when they do the vegetables gardens.

    Thanks...and have fun !
    Bless the bees...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    Going to do that seed bomb thing. Ordering 1000 for the garden and ditches around me.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Currently removing moss and grass from front lawns, plan is to have at least one wild meadow in there for the summer
    are you removing the top layer of soil too?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    are you removing the top layer of soil too?

    Let's just say the 'soil' underneath the moss doesn't need to be made any worse.

    Also I'd recommend anyone interested in this to go to www.wildflowers.ie.

    Could can order a seed mix specific to your site, more effective than the seed bombs but preparation of the site is crucial. I'm aiming to have my two little gardens de-mossed by mid-March and then sow.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Was pleased to notice that there are now three very active bee colonies in the walled gardens in Marlay where there had been just the one last year. With small enough gardens front and back myself, not a huge amount of scope to do much myself, though I've put a half dozen new lavender plants in last year which the bees seem to love. The composter and worm farm also seem to attract a fair amount of insect life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Ixlandia


    I got planting lots of my single head Dahlia's today, and so much more to do. I have Verbena's, Cosmos, cornflowers, Agastache and Borage to name but a few. Last year I planted buddleia's on my garden site, in one day I recorded nearly 100 butterflies in one afternoon.

    Thanks for the info Harry, remember also that a wildflower meadow will only thrive in very poor soil, grass will gain the upperhand if not controlled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭crisco10


    I've a partial shade (gets light for about 8 hours at height of summer) area, currently have foxgloves in some of it which grows well and bees love.

    What else could I put there that would survive perennially like the foxgloves? Obviously that the Bees and butterflies would enjoy ..

    I'd prefer non-toxic too, (although I know foxglove isn't that!)..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭macraignil


    crisco10 wrote: »
    I've a partial shade (gets light for about 8 hours at height of summer) area, currently have foxgloves in some of it which grows well and bees love.

    What else could I put there that would survive perennially like the foxgloves? Obviously that the Bees and butterflies would enjoy ..

    I'd prefer non-toxic too, (although I know foxglove isn't that!)..

    I was going to suggest comfrey but it says on the RHS page that it is toxic and should not be eaten. I found this list that might be useful. I have found penstemon, lamium lemon balm and cranesbill good in shady parts of my own garden. Buddleia is also on the list and is great for butterflies but it grows into a fairly large shrub so might be too big for what you describe you are looking for. Pheasant berry might also be worth considering if size is not an issue.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    By the way, zero germination rate from the seedbombs out of 400. Also two other lads in the farming forum experienced the same.
    I gave out about 50 or 60 to work mates for their kids and none of those germinated either. So it's not just me or my site.
    I'm thinking to soak the ones I have left to break them up and see is there any seed in them at all.

    If the Irish wildflower site was usable I'd have used them.

    Will revisit this in autumn. I think the spring ship has sailed.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Could they have been eaten?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    New Home wrote: »
    Could they have been eaten?

    Look untouched. Still just sitting there intact. They advertise they stick chili in them to deter pests too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    That's interesting, I just spread a packet of wild flower seeds for a client which were from county council stock (as used on roundabouts etc), raked them in just before the rain. Must find out in a week or two if they have germinated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    I just threw a few packs of seeds out today in the verges of the veggie garden.
    Got them from fruit hill farm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Blondie919


    Does anyone know where I could get a swarm of bees? My sister wants to get them for her garden to encourage them to live and spread there. Is this even possible? It's a great idea I think but can it be done? A friend of a friend has honeybees but they require a lot of work?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Roen wrote: »
    By the way, zero germination rate from the seedbombs out of 400. Also two other lads in the farming forum experienced the same.
    I gave out about 50 or 60 to work mates for their kids and none of those germinated either. So it's not just me or my site.
    I'm thinking to soak the ones I have left to break them up and see is there any seed in them at all.

    If the Irish wildflower site was usable I'd have used them.

    Will revisit this in autumn. I think the spring ship has sailed.

    Not being bad but it's not as easy as just throwing a few here and there. You'd be better plating a clover cover crop or phacelia tbh


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Ask the beekeeping forum, Blondie. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1633

    I doubt they'd stay put, unless you provide them with shelter/a place they find suitable (I don't know much about them, though, I'll admit).

    I think you should be able to find bumblebee for sale somewhere (some tomato producers use them for pollination inside their greenhouses), but I don't know whether they'd ship to Ireland. You might be better off improving the habitat in your garden/orchard to encourage them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    well i'm sowing wild flowers around the perimeter of my back lawn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Not being bad but it's not as easy as just throwing a few here and there. You'd be better plating a clover cover crop or phacelia tbh

    No worries.

    I didn't throw a few here or there. Not sure where you picked up that idea
    I worked fairly hard in prepping the soil for this. I feel I've done my part.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there are ways of preparing potential nesting sites for bumblebees, but i've never heard of a trade in them.
    anyway, bumblebees would have all made their nests by now so it's a bit late this year. probably worth prepping for next year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    It is worth bearing in mind that bees are venomous, defensive, swarming creatures whose stings can induce analphylactic shock and even death.

    I've recently become quite interested in beekeeping, but have been quickly disavowed of the idea that it is something to be approached lightly.

    There's a big difference between planting things which support bees (unarguably good!) and bringing a colony or swarm of them into your garden.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have been stung by honeybees and wasps, never by a bumblebee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    i have been stung by honeybees and wasps, never by a bumblebee.
    Possibly because they're so loud you don't accidentally lean on one!

    But I guess they will defend a nest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Lumen wrote: »
    It is worth bearing in mind that bees are venomous, defensive, swarming creatures whose stings can induce analphylactic shock and even death.

    I've recently become quite interested in beekeeping, but have been quickly disavowed of the idea that it is something to be approached lightly.

    There's a big difference between planting things which support bees (unarguably good!) and bringing a colony or swarm of them into your garden.

    I realised last summer, my first full year out here, that there were large numbers of bees in and out of the fuchsia at my gate. And I mean hundreds Made me very wary. I have planted many things they love, including masses of montbretia etc. Love watching them but wary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^

    just keep your distance, respect them...and all be well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Graces7 wrote: »
    I realised last summer, my first full year out here, that there were large numbers of bees in and out of the fuchsia at my gate. And I mean hundreds Made me very wary. I have planted many things they love, including masses of montbretia etc. Love watching them but wary

    I think its been mentioned before and that you are aware that montbretia is considered an invasive species https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastraining/MontbretiaFinalDraft230616.pdf .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    i have been stung by honeybees and wasps, never by a bumblebee.
    I've been stung by a bumblebee after accidentally crushing it in my hand while weeding. It's an awfully painful sting, and unlike wasp stings need an alkaline applied to ease it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    my3cents wrote: »
    I think its been mentioned before and that you are aware that montbretia is considered an invasive species https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastraining/MontbretiaFinalDraft230616.pdf .

    It's an absolute pest and not particularly beneficial to native pollinators. A few foxgloves and a bit of Heather will yield more benefit than a sea of Montbretia.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I'm sure many of you already knew this but it was news to me and I found the thread very informative & interesting - why you should be very careful about buying a commercial "bee hotel":

    https://twitter.com/colinpurrington/status/1124354705256321024

    My entire back garden was cobblelocked over by the previous owners but I have containers to beat the band - any suggestions for helpful plants to put in them? So far I have:

    Thyme
    Oregano
    Mint
    Rosemary
    Lavender
    Broom

    I prefer edibles but I'm happy to sacrifice some summer eating to be a bit more bee friendly!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Anyone with any spare space should try the biennial Vipers Burgloss.

    https://wildseed.co.uk/species/view/48

    http://www.rosybee.com/blog/2013/05/echium-vulgare


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Is anyone else wondering where the bees are? In three gardens this has been a talking point and it's not as if any of them lack for pollination friendly plants. Are they late or are they not alive to be late. Sure there are some of course but the noisy buzz of activity that should be expected in pollinator rich locations is absent.

    However just to show they are not all dead or still resting here's one I spotted today.

    2Vsmw.jpg

    and the full sized image here https://funkyimg.com/view/2VsmF


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    Awash with them in front and back gardens. The fuschia and dog rose are alive with the sound of them.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    just got this photo half an hour ago - i'm fairly certain we have a bumblebee nest in the garden about 30 foot from where i took this.

    485199.jpg


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We always have loads of bumblebees. I just popped out for a look and found plenty of the little guys about. Took some pics on my phone. (Not v.good)

    Are bumblebees and bees attracted to different things? I don't see all that many bees or wasps about in comparison.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Amazing photos BuileBeag!


    This little guy was half asleep in the sun on a flowering teasel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,036 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Maybe if this issue is so important, the Gov could throw a couple of million into seeds which could be given out to people who would be willing to get a wild area up and running in their gardens?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'a couple of million' is not too far from the annual budget of the entire NPWS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The pictures posted are great, but they're bumble bees. Where are the honeybees? That's the bigger problem, they're the ones that pollinate fruits and vegetables en masse.

    Last year I saw a fair number of honeybees around the garden, there are beekeepers around and a bee can visit sites in something like an 8 km radius every day. This year I've yet to see a honeybee. About the same amount of bumbles as usual.

    My advice is leave an area fallow and let the local wildflowers do their thing. Even here with all the farms around the grass doesn't dominate, lots of ragged robin, foxgloves and even the native blackberry in the 1/4 or so of the yard we never touch.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We had loads of both bumble and honey bees come to our large ceanothus in June and the lavender in July.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    There needs to be a widespread proactive push throughout society from farms to schools, from tidy towns to people's own back gardens to plant and keep planting pollinator friendly species.
    Garden centres should have family days focused on pollinators and promotional education, whilst making a few pound at the same time.
    More communication is needed to avoid losses
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/pesticides-on-farms-are-wiping-out-entire-hives-4672197-Jun2019/%3famp=1


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Igotadose wrote: »
    The pictures posted are great, but they're bumble bees. Where are the honeybees?

    My advice is leave an area fallow and let the local wildflowers do their thing. Even here with all the farms around the grass doesn't dominate, lots of ragged robin, foxgloves and even the native blackberry in the 1/4 or so of the yard we never touch.

    Well that's why I asked if honey bees and bumble bees are attracted to the same things? Because we have lots of things I would have thought would attract both but I'm seeing feck all honey bees.

    We also have a corner of our garden that we don't touch. It has thistle, buttercups, herb Robert, bramble, fox gloves and rosebay willowherb..

    Then we have purposefully planted things like loads of lavender, poppies, Heather's and some herbs like chives that we let flower.

    We have some fruit trees too, apple and cherry.

    So wheres our bees? I haven't been actively searching them out, just quietly noting to myself that all I ever seem to see are the bumbles! :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Pollinators need pollination paths so I'd be developing a programme along

    - waterways
    - greenways
    - railways
    - motorways, ring roads
    - industrial and commercial zones


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    auspicious wrote: »
    There needs to be a widespread proactive push throughout society from farms to schools, from tidy towns to people's own back gardens to plant and keep planting pollinator friendly species.
    Garden centres should have family days focused on pollinators and promotional education, whilst making a few pound at the same time.
    More communication is needed to avoid losses
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/pesticides-on-farms-are-wiping-out-entire-hives-4672197-Jun2019/%3famp=1

    Garden centres are an unknown danger as you often have no idea what plants have been treated with prior to purchase.


    Well that's why I asked if honey bees and bumble bees are attracted to the same things? Because we have lots of things I would have thought would attract both but I'm seeing feck all honey bees.

    We also have a corner of our garden that we don't touch. It has thistle, buttercups, herb Robert, bramble, fox gloves and rosebay willowherb..

    Then we have purposefully planted things like loads of lavender, poppies, Heather's and some herbs like chives that we let flower.

    We have some fruit trees too, apple and cherry.

    So wheres our bees? I haven't been actively searching them out, just quietly noting to myself that all I ever seem to see are the bumbles! :(


    Have loads of bees of all varieties. I grew a lot of phacelia, going to seed now. Crimson clover and Borage still have upwards of 15-20 bees pretty much whenever I try and count. 2 average sized front gardens here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Just watching the meadow themed special edition of Gardeners World, well worth a look if you can find it. Talking about how every garden can form part of a network and I think I've decided to turn my side garden into a native wildfower meadow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The rise of ‘ungardening’: how to turn a backyard into a wildlife haven

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/shortcuts/2019/aug/05/garden-wildlife-haven-rewilding-ungardening-pond
    Manicured privets and immaculate lawns are a thing of the past. Nowadays, it’s all about “ungardening”: eschewing toxic pesticides or sterile patio decking to create gardens that will encourage native wildlife to live and flourish. Rewilding, as it’s more commonly known, has been growing in popularity across Europe and the US, as green-fingered activists use their skills to reverse ecological decline and encourage the growth of native species.


  • Subscribers Posts: 693 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/swarm-of-butterflies-arrives-on-irish-coast-in-unusual-migration-1.3978510?mode=amp

    Swarms of Painted Ladies inbound. Seeing plenty of them here in the north east, not sure if much more than usual though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Bump as it's that time of the year :)

    Now does anyone have any views on those "wildflower meadows in a pouch" type products?

    https://www.gardenhealth.com/natures-haven-easy-wildflowers

    (oh yeah, make 2020 another year of the pollinators)


  • Subscribers Posts: 693 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    Bump as it's that time of the year :)

    Now does anyone have any views on those "wildflower meadows in a pouch" type products?

    https://www.gardenhealth.com/natures-haven-easy-wildflowers

    (oh yeah, make 2020 another year of the pollinators)

    I used that Nature's Haven pack last year, I was happy with the results:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110562440&postcount=242
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110652034&postcount=262

    A lot of growth now again so far in that bed. Not sure if anything from last year's pack will come through again though... a LOT of yarrow coming through at the moment, and it's right beside the lawn so I may have to brush a bit of weedkiller onto the yarrow, or else spray the lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭coffey87


    Will be starting my new garden over the summer, when I move into my new house. Have an old hedgerow that I didn't knock down running along the front and was thinking of making the area in front and maybe an area in the larger "lawn" area a wildflower meadow. Would it be best to just leave it and let it grow naturally or should I do some prep work to make it a success?


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