Job Path

splinter65 wrote: »

What’s the problem exactly? Why can’t you go to jobpath?

Why should he go there if he does not wish? Why cats and dogs never go to jobpath? They always have food and roof over head end never been employed( well… most of them). And everybody loves them! (well… most of us ;^) ). Different story with unemployed humans All wild animals have their homes of one form or another. And only humans can be homeless. What a wonderful, beautiful, lovely human`s nature

With the money FG will save when they do close this Scam/Sham Jobpath thingy..They might have enough left to give Wesley College another hockey pitch.

Am with these schmucks again from since last Autumn.

Declined to sign my PPP; they'd all my previous information on it; I was expecting it to have been wiped clean in the intervening period from when my first go on their merry go round'd ended.

They don't get many people who won't sign PPP; most people they call in're unaware of the companies behind it, the penalties for non-attendance (the letter states you're invited; yet you can't really R.S.V.P.), the penalties for non-engagement and it's not in their financial interest to tell people their benefits won't be affected if they don't sign the PPP.........

So the PPP's signed under false pretenses to an extent; my first one I signed on day one; I wasn't "woke" enough to them at that point; when my six month review came round I was and so didn't sign it then; my six month review for this one'll be in the Springtime; April or Easter.

CA, Catalyst Analysis which is 99-100 Questions I think; filled it out first time round yet this time I've to do it again; if my PPP from first occasion was ok to copy and paste then why isn't my CA relevant this time round; again on my first go I declined to do it at my 6 month review.

About a week to 10 days after my induction where I'd declined to sign PPP I received letter from Intreo excusing me from signing owing......to me signing my PPP!

I.e. The only way this could've happened, for I didn't give them the E-Sig they reqd. on the day, and I requested a hard copy to bring home and look over before signing, is for someone in the office to've forged my signature; along with this they would've got the 311 Payment; this to me is also fraud...........now I know customers like me're in an extreme minority but if they did it to me, how many've they done it to.............?

Each time since I returned my unsigned PPP they've moved on to the CA; I answered one or two of their questions giving generic, made up answers about English proficiency, level of Maths etc.

But I draw the line, not just at myself being asked, but at customers in general being asked invasive questions about our physical, psychological health, criminal past, addictive substances used etc. by a private company and I sure as hell don't trust who's doing what with that information in terms of TN themselves, FRS Recruitment and Working Links; I don't want my data shared or stored.

If I go with a recruitment firm like Hayes, Manpower etc. I do so voluntarily; if they ask me to do a psychometric analysis or aptitude test then I can say yes or no; it may be in my best interests to fall into line here to gain employment, I imagine such firms're charging me a fee on a monthly, quarterly or annual basis for them to find me a job. However I have the choice to not do so too and I've gone voluntarily to them.

With TN (FRS/Working Links) I haven't gone there voluntarily yet they're insisting I have to do this questionnaire and they can't see why a customer might have some valid concerns as I've outlined?

I wonder was a focus group from say, the INOU, used prior to Turas Nua and Seetec and how they were going to conduct themselves on the ground, at a macro level ever done?

I get why they were set up; what I can't fathom is the power they have (they can refer you back to the dept. for non-engagement; this is something they've done with me......) and their conduct and how they conduct themselves.

The raison d'etre means they're money driven, they're there to monetise the unemployed and it stinks to be honest.

The PPP & CA're a one size fits all; clearly this is not the case and they could, and should, be tailored to the individual since a PA is appointed to you.

I'd've signed my PPP no problem if certain clauses could be removed, deleted or negotiated upon; they're all non-negotiable.

Catalyst Analysis? I could've probably completed some sections, or some questions in some sections but not all but again their systems operates on a "Computer Says No" basis; there's no "Skip" option for questions a customer would rather not answer to a complete stranger much less a private company.......

Unfit for purpose.

While I didn't sign my PPP I have attended for every single appointment; I have signed in and out on their Fire Register sheets; that, to me, is engagement and what I do during my time there, generally half an hour to an hour is immaterial in reality, I'm present and I'd much rather be on a PC applying for work and filling out their sheet so the PA can return it to their line manager.

I think the sheets're logged or e-mailed up a level again; perhaps Dept. want proof customers're applying and do spot checks?

So when Intreo send me a letter after being referred back (I think customers're entitled to three warnings; one verbal and two written and I got none) I'll be laying it on nice and thick for them and I'll be brutally honest and repeat, in writing, my grievances which is mostly what I've outlined here.

Finally to their "Customer Focus Groups"; I believe they're held either monthly or quarterly.

I asked at a recent appt. to be put down to attend one; I wanted to vent my spleen and I had my notes done up nice and neat; I was told I had to be invited to these too by my PA who, verbally, once the front of house indicated there was space, permitted me.....

Lo and behold I rock up on the day to be refused entry/asked to leave (which I politely and promptly did); an excuse was made in terms of my level of employment and whether I'd been invited.

Call me cynical but my guess is it's actually all verbal agreement with PA about attending these yokes and/or you put your name down in advance and rock up on the day.

I'm not buying what they're selling on this occasion; it stinks.

Ends.

https://www.thejournal.ie/jobpath-dail-vote-4480186-Feb2019/

Wanderer78 wrote: »

has this been interfering with any of your welfare payments thus far?

No my payment hasn't been affected.

surprised there's not much chat about the motion that was passed in the dail last week

looks like the end is nigh for jobpath (turas nua / seetec)

jobpathagain wrote:

Received a letter to attend Jobpath this morning... If that bill is effective immediately, why is this still going on..!?

Ah it ll take a while to wind down that one, just play the game until it's gone

scottigael wrote: »

Got a letter out of the blue to attend jobpath next week today. It's dated last Thursday same day of dail vote this really is a joke. I'll go but won't sign PPP will this put me in limbo for next 12 months will I be unable to get on BTEA?

first thing, dont start panicking. attend your meeting, sign or dont sign the ppp, go along with things as best you can and try not overly worry about your application to btea. best of luck

klaaaz wrote: »

I think those getting recent jobpath letters should contact their local FF and SF TD's for advice as they voted in the Dail to abolish referrals.

They might have voted to abolish it but that doesn’t mean the government will abolish it. The government hardly ever act on these votes in fact.