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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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  • #2552
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    batgoat wrote: »
    I have absolutely no idea if they influenced them or not. Neither do you. I do think she has numerous tweets that are incitement to hatred and could encourage racist individuals to commit acts of violence. Now have you realised that your entire argument at the moment is moronic?

    They are children. I don't know if you are an adult or not but use your logic


  • #2553
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Did John Connors carry out the attack?

    Oh you appear to have misread the question. Lets try again. Read it slowly now you can just pick a letter I've dumbed it down for you.


    Do you think John Connors is a traveller or a supporter of GemGem?

    A) Traveller
    or
    B) GemGem fan


  • #2554
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Well yes, that's my point. But I'm not acting like I know exactly what happened like you are so definitively.

    Realistic v fantasy


  • #2555
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They are children. I don't know if you are an adult or not but use your logic
    What has children got to do with it? You seem to be grasping at straws now.


  • #2556
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They are children. I don't know if you are an adult or not but use your logic

    Yep, I seem to be using a hell of a lot more logic than you. You also seem to be ignoring the rest of my point.


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  • #2557
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Oh you appear to have misread the question. Lets try again. Read it slowly now you can just pick a letter I've dumbed it down for you.


    Do you think John Connors is a traveller or a supporter of GemGem?

    A) Traveller
    or
    B) GemGem fan

    Not relevant.

    I'm just sitting down to the dinner lads. You are fully informed of today's news now. Gluck


  • #2558
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Not relevant.

    So I'm using too many big words then. I'm not suprised. GemGems merry band often have issues.


    Its certainly not relevant but the fact is that you have stated repeatedly that "it was done by travellers not followers of O'Doherty". I was merely wondering why you seem certain that travellers cant also follow O'Doherty's preaching.

    It now appears moreso that YOU cant categorise someone into more than one category at a time. Hence you cant answer which one Connors is since the actual correct answer is both. Good thing we got that cleared up nicely.


  • #2559
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Not relevant.

    It's entirely relevant as you seem to think certain groups are immune to her dickish behavior and you're purposefully ignoring the fact... The reason being, you think it's fine that Gemma is targeting Muslims on a regular basis and you couldn't care less if people do get hurt as a result of her rhetoric.


  • #2560
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You appear to be stuck on repeat. Whats your basis for this statement? Are you suggesting this incident in Dundrum is fake?

    It's not a hate crime, any more than getting your car keyed.


  • #2561
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's not a hate crime, any more than getting your car keyed.
    Please explain?


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  • #2562
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    batgoat wrote: »
    It's entirely relevant as you seem to think certain groups are immune to her dickish behavior and you're purposefully ignoring the fact... The reason being, you think it's fine that Gemma is targeting Muslims on a regular basis and you couldn't care less if people do get hurt as a result of her rhetoric.

    My spuds are going cold. I have said more than a few times that the culprits should be locked up for this racist attack.


    Also for your benefit I'm saying Gemma and her band of idiots shouldn't be harrasing anyone. She is a looper.

    But on this occasion it was done by children. Traveller children apparently.
    So hard luck.


  • #2563
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Please explain?

    Where's the evidence they were targeted for being Muslim?


  • #2564
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    My spuds are going cold. I have said more than a few times that the culprits should be locked up for this racist attack.


    Also for your benefit I'm saying Gemma and her band of idiots shouldn't be harrasing anyone. She is a looper.

    But on this occasion it was done by children. Traveller children apparently.
    So hard luck.
    A little 180 there. Fair play. Just stating facts of course...yes?


  • #2565
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Where's the evidence they were targeted for being Muslim?
    Right back at you. Where's the evidence they were not? I'm not the one here making bold confident statements about the assault.


  • #2566
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,067 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Where's the evidence they were targeted for being Muslim?

    They grabbed her hijab.


  • #2567
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Oh you appear to have misread the question. Lets try again. Read it slowly now you can just pick a letter I've dumbed it down for you.
    Do you think John Connors is a traveller or a supporter of GemGem?

    A) Traveller
    or
    B) GemGem fan
    I'll go for A)
    Did I win a prize?


  • #2568
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    My spuds are going cold. I have said more than a few times that the culprits should be locked up for this racist attack.


    Also for your benefit I'm saying Gemma and her band of idiots shouldn't be harrasing anyone. She is a looper.

    But on this occasion it was done by children. Traveller children apparently.
    So hard luck.
    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's not a hate crime, any more than getting your car keyed.


    Erm

    A racist attack IS a hate crime!


  • #2569
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    Overheal wrote: »
    They grabbed her hijab.

    Allegedly. Even then, we don't know who provoked who, what the circumstances were. Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions.


  • #2570
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Allegedly. Even then, we don't know who provoked who, what the circumstances were. Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions.
    So we've gone from "it's not a hate crime" to "Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions."



    Another 180. Impressive.


  • #2571
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Allegedly. Even then, we don't know who provoked who, what the circumstances were. Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions.

    "Who provoked who", so you really are trying to push a nonsense narrative where she was responsible. Now it would seem like your mind is pretty clouded by your own views to the point where you ignore hate crimes or try to blame the victim. :rolleyes:


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  • #2572
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Overheal wrote: »
    They grabbed her hijab.

    Didnt see that in the video...wasnt very clear


  • #2573
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Erm

    A racist attack IS a hate crime!

    Two different posters boss


  • #2574
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Two different posters boss

    My apologies, so you.disagree that its a racist attack?


  • #2575
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    My apologies, so you.disagree that its a racist attack?
    Blueshoe is the one that said it was, and they should be locked up.
    Try to keep up, boss


  • #2576
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    recedite wrote: »
    I'll go for A)
    Did I win a prize?

    Nope because he is both. Like blueshoes reality is not your strong suit.

    You guys try your bestest.


  • #2577
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Nope because he is both.
    Evidence?
    Or are you just surmising?


  • #2578
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    So we've gone from "it's not a hate crime" to "Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions."



    Another 180. Impressive.

    How's that a 180? People are claiming this as a hate crime without a single shred of evidence. I'm saying it's not a hate crime, and let Gardai investigate.


  • #2579
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    How's that a 180? People are claiming this as a hate crime without a single shred of evidence. I'm saying it's not a hate crime, and let Gardai investigate.
    That's not what you said and you know it.


  • #2580
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Hurry up with that evidence boss.
    I earned that prize and I don't like being cheated out of it.
    Sharpening my slash hook right now.


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  • #2581
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    recedite wrote: »
    Hurry up with that evidence boss.
    I earned that prize and I don't like being cheated out of it.
    Sharpening my slash hook right now.




    Do you think you're capable in engaging with others in some type of civilised debate without that kind of stereotyping crap?


  • #2582
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    recedite wrote: »
    Hurry up with that evidence boss.
    I earned that prize and I don't like being cheated out of it.
    Sharpening my slash hook right now.

    Connors appears to have expunged her and any from his twitter timeline. He was regularly calling her a national hero along with Rowan Croft. But don't take my word for it, he's interviewed by Croft, they were besties for a bit.

    https://twitter.com/rowanwcroft/status/1128003060750585857


  • #2583
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's not a hate crime, any more than getting your car keyed.


    Only if your car was a Muslim car, and was keyed for wearing Muslim clothing - that's the only way it is similar to getting your car keyed.

    El_Bee wrote: »
    Dundrum used to be a nice well to do area, then the social housing tenants were allowed in....
    Really? When exactly did that happen? And where were they allowed into?

    SoundsRight wrote: »
    We are the most tolerant country in the world. It's embarrassing how people are twisting this 'assault' into something it's not. Why didn't she call the gardai, instead of taking a video? Would be interesting to see what happened in the lead up to it.
    Classy - blame the victims for not reacting 'properly'. Are you one of those guys who asks rape victims about how many drinks they had and why they wore the short skirt?

    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's a hack of a leap to go from 'burn hijabs' to 'assault women and burn their hijabs'. If people are uncomfortable with the practice of keeping women under male control, they have a right to protest against it.
    Except it wasn't 'burn hijabs' - it was 'burn any hijabs that you see'. How can you burn someone's hijab without assaulting them?


  • #2584
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    batgoat wrote: »
    "Who provoked who", so you really are trying to push a nonsense narrative where she was responsible. Now it would seem like your mind is pretty clouded by your own views to the point where you ignore hate crimes or try to blame the victim. :rolleyes:

    Have you seem an extended video? Because it's unclear what happened on the one in circulation. Nonetheless, that hasn't stopped a government minister, the head of Amnesty Ireland and the usual rent-a-quotes declaring it a hate crime. It's like they want to live in a polarised society.


  • #2585
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,674 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Just on the news that the dundrum attack is not believed to be racially motivated. A strange statement when the investigation is not complete and the guards are still looking for witnesses.


  • #2586
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    batgoat wrote: »
    Connors appears to have expunged her and any from his twitter timeline. He was regularly calling her a national hero along with Rowan Croft. But don't take my word for it, he's interviewed by Croft, they were besties for a bit.
    "Expunged" is it boss?
    The evidence has been expunged. That doesn't stand up in this here court.


    I've seen that Grand Torino video before, and its a good un.
    But GT is not Gemma.


    I want my prize now :mad:


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  • #2587
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    recedite wrote: »
    "Expunged" is it boss?
    The evidence has been expunged. That doesn't stand up in this here court.


    I've seen that Grand Torino video before, and its a good un.
    But GT is not Gemma.


    I want my prize now :mad:

    Starting to pull the piss regarding the handing over of the promised prize.
    Where is it? What's his game?
    Over promise and under deliver.
    A bright future in politics ahead of him.

    Lash out the prize


  • #2588
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    So we've gone from "it's not a hate crime" to "Let's leave the Gardai investigate before rushing to conclusions."



    Another 180. Impressive.

    It's assualt. I honestly don't see why crime should be treated depending on the motive. All crime should be treated the same regardless of the motive. An attack on a white man should be treated the exact same as a racially motivated attack on a black man with the perpetrator getting the same sentence depending on the severity of the crime and damage inflicted on the victim.

    I am in no way excusing but without proper sentences scum will be scum and will always find an excuse to inflict damage on another person. For example there is a big anti racism campaign on public transport at the moment and stories about non national bus and Luas drivers being racially abused and attacked however I know for a fact that Irish drivers are also regular victims of verbal and physical abuse.

    In my opinion the campaigns should be saying that all forms of abuse towards staff and passengers on public transport is unacceptable regardless of the motive and a push for tougher sentences. Scum will be scum and they attack anyone for any reason the best way to combat racial attacks is extra Garda resources and tougher penalties. No doubt the scum that carried out this attack in Dundrum will play the violin that they had a tough upbringing and the usual nonsense and end up with the usual suspended sentence.


  • #2589
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    It's assualt. I honestly don't see why crime should be treated depending on the motive. All crime should be treated the same regardless of the motive. An attack on a white man should be treated the exact same as a racially motivated attack on a black man with the perpetrator getting the same sentence depending on the severity of the crime and damage inflicted on the victim.

    I am in no way excusing but without proper sentences scum will be scum and will always find an excuse to inflict damage on another person. For example there is a big anti racism campaign on public transport at the moment and stories about non national bus and Luas drivers being racially abused and attacked however I know for a fact that Irish drivers are also regular victims of verbal and physical abuse.

    In my opinion the campaigns should be saying that all forms of abuse towards staff and passengers on public transport is unacceptable regardless of the motive and a push for tougher sentences. Scum will be scum and they attack anyone for any reason the best way to combat racial attacks is extra Garda resources and tougher penalties. No doubt the scum that carried out this attack in Dundrum will play the violin that they had a tough upbringing and the usual nonsense and end up with the usual suspended sentence.
    I suppose all lives matter too.


  • #2590
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    recedite wrote: »
    "Expunged" is it boss?
    The evidence has been expunged. That doesn't stand up in this here court.


    I've seen that Grand Torino video before, and its a good un.
    But GT is not Gemma.


    I want my prize now :mad:

    It's pretty clear he's got plenty of deleted tweets about her. Click into this one and you'll notice "This Tweet is unavailable" which is one it's in response to. Tonnes of them if you search his username and gemma..... So I suspect he removed because it didn't look great.

    https://twitter.com/pbrennan50/status/1033139429655891968


  • #2591
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    I suppose all lives matter too.

    Who is arguing that all lives don’t matter? Odd thing to say.


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  • #2592
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    It's assualt. I honestly don't see why crime should be treated depending on the motive. All crime should be treated the same regardless of the motive. An attack on a white man should be treated the exact same as a racially motivated attack on a black man with the perpetrator getting the same sentence depending on the severity of the crime and damage inflicted on the victim.

    I am in no way excusing but without proper sentences scum will be scum and will always find an excuse to inflict damage on another person. For example there is a big anti racism campaign on public transport at the moment and stories about non national bus and Luas drivers being racially abused and attacked however I know for a fact that Irish drivers are also regular victims of verbal and physical abuse.

    In my opinion the campaigns should be saying that all forms of abuse towards staff and passengers on public transport is unacceptable regardless of the motive and a push for tougher sentences. Scum will be scum and they attack anyone for any reason the best way to combat racial attacks is extra Garda resources and tougher penalties. No doubt the scum that carried out this attack in Dundrum will play the violin that they had a tough upbringing and the usual nonsense and end up with the usual suspended sentence.

    They do say the latter.

    Look, if you believe that most of these racist attacks are by “scum”, and you might be right, you should support hate crime legislation as it might light a fire under the judiciary’s collective arses and get some decent sentencing.


  • #2593
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Why is John Connors being discussed in relation to this attack? Is there any evidence that he was involved?
    It seems completely off topic and mildly incriminatory to be discussing Connors as if he has some relevance to the story.


  • #2594
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Who is arguing that all lives don’t matter? Odd thing to say.

    Stephen15 wrote: »
    All crime should be treated the same regardless of the motive. An attack on a white man should be treated the exact same as a racially motivated attack on a black man with the perpetrator getting the same sentence depending on the severity of the crime and damage inflicted on the victim.

    When the black lives matter movement started in America the right wing started the "all lives matter" movement. Not because they cared about all life.

    Claiming we're all equal is classic right wing trope. We know all lives matter but when certain communities are being targeted specifically then there is nothing wrong with calling for that community to be better protected.

    We're not all equal in reality and you're fooling no one by clinging to this trope.


  • #2595
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Why is John Connors being discussed in relation to this attack? Is there any evidence that he was involved?
    It seems completely off topic and mildly incriminatory to be discussing Connors as if he has some relevance to the story.

    Because a certain poster seemed to believe that travellers couldn't also be Gemma supporters?

    Not that hard to figure out why? :confused:


  • #2596
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    When the black lives matter movement started in America the right wing started the "all lives matter" movement. Not because they cared about all life.


    Claiming we're all equal is classic right wing trope. We know all lives matter but when certain communities are being targeted specifically then there is nothing wrong with calling for that community to be better protected.

    We're not all equal in reality and you're fooling no one by clinging to this trope.

    That’s assuming that some of us know as much about the US as you do. Irish forum here.

    However I’m in favour of hate crime legislation because, although Ireland’s feral underclass will attack anyone, it is probably worse for visible minorities. Anyway it might actually see some useful sentencing.


  • #2597
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Because a certain poster seemed to believe that travellers couldn't also be Gemma supporters?

    Not that hard to figure out why? :confused:

    Odd though to assume that because one traveller follows Gemma, they all do.

    The links between Gemma and this particular attack seem tenuous.


  • #2598
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The story was all over the place this morning blaming Gemma but when it turned out it was case of Culture Boss the words "All forms of racism" started to appear.

    Reminded me of that story a few years ago when an Afghan family were attacked. The likes of PBP/AAA called for an anti-racism rally at Nutgrove Shopping Centre. The outrage disappeared when it turned out that some people were arrested and they came from the "Cultural District" of Nutgrove.

    There is no organised Far-Right targeting and attacking migrants in Ireland, it doesn't exist. Its always a case of Skangers being Skangers. They wouldn't know what Far-Right even means.


  • #2599
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    That’s assuming that some of us know as much about the US as you do. Irish forum here.

    However I’m in favour of hate crime legislation because, although Ireland’s feral underclass will attack anyone, it is probably worse for visible minorities. Anyway it might actually see some useful sentencing.


    Where do you think most of the numpties on the Irish right wing get their views and opinions (incl. Gemma). It's from infowars and American right wing media. Sure American right wing organisations have pumped lots of money into this country to push their agenda. Climb out of that box and look around you. It's a small world.


  • #2600
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Because a certain poster seemed to believe that travellers couldn't also be Gemma supporters?

    Not that hard to figure out why? :confused:
    Eh no. I innocently entered the competition, but it wasn't my idea to hold it.
    Now I'm told I won't get my prize because John Connors expunged all the (supposed) evidence to prove that he ever had anything to do with Gemma.
    Which kinda makes him "not a supporter" even if true.


  • #2601
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Where do you think most of the numpties on the Irish right wing get their views and opinions (incl. Gemma). It's from infowars and American right wing media. Sure American right wing organisations have pumped lots of money into this country to push their agenda. Climb out of that box and look around you. It's a small world.

    I’m sure some do get their opinions from the US although I doubt the money trail.

    On the other hand the Irish left also seem to think they are living in the US. Which they aren’t.


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