Down rating vehicle weight

stezie · 24-06-2020 8:28pm #1

Has anyone successfully lowered the vehicle weight of their van?

my conversion is ready for SQI, but I need to change my Peugeot Boxer for 4005kg to 3500kg for driving license purposes.

I rang my local dealer and the main distributor in Dublin asking for a new chassis plate.. they dont seem to know what Im talking about and have never sold one apparantly.

based on the rsa website

Step 3: A new weights and dimensions plate or statutory plate will need to be
fitted to your vehicle outlining the lower or higher DGVW. This can only be done
by the original manufacturer or authorised distributor. The new plate is required
regardless of whether any physical modification takes place.

I am going in circles with Peugeot, so just wondering if any one has gone down this path, is there an easier way of going about it.

contrary_devil · 24-06-2020 8:34pm

Google is your friend, this might help you http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/189814512

stezie · 24-06-2020 8:49pm

contrary_devil wrote: »

Google is your friend, this might help you http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/189814512

Google has not been friendly so far, hence this post.. This link doesn't provide any solution on how to get a new / amended VIN plate.

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 8:58pm

Have you had it on a weighbridge yet? A boxer wouldn't typically be over 3500kgs unless it was custom built and a 505kg downgrade seems a lot unless you've stripped out a lot of weight and camper conversions usually add weight. What was its original purposes?

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 9:11pm

Just checked on the name of the company I know that others have used for changing MAM

http://www.svtech.co.uk/

Not sure what their status will be with respect to EU certification post Brexit transition period

stezie · 24-06-2020 9:11pm

It was a fully kitted out ambulance for the Scottish ambulance service with heavy equipment such as rear folding tail lift and hydraulic piston system that lowered the rear suspension. All this medical related equipment, bed anchors, wiring, gas cylinders, several crash rated passenger seats, winches, patients, 2 passengers, 2 ambulance crew, and so on, was a lot of weight and has been removed.

Its the L4H3 model. Its now under 2.5t as it is, converted for my needs.

I just need to source a new VIN plate now

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 9:17pm

stezie wrote: »

It was a fully kitted out ambulance for the Scottish ambulance service with heavy equipment such as rear folding tail lift and hydraulic piston system that lowered the rear suspension. All this medical related equipment, bed anchors, wiring, gas cylinders, several crash rated passenger seats, winches, patients, 2 passengers, 2 ambulance crew, and so on, was a lot of weight and has been removed.

Its the L4H3 model. Its now under 2.5t as it is, converted for my needs.

I just need to source a new VIN plate now

Fair enough, that's a big weight reduction, like I said, it's rare not to add weight in a conversion. Try contacting SV Tech, linked above.

stezie · 24-06-2020 9:17pm

alias no.9 wrote: »

Just checked on the name of the company I know that others have used for changing MAM

http://www.svtech.co.uk/

Not sure what their status will be with respect to EU certification post Brexit transition period

I will certainly email them, but going by the RSA website, as they are not the manufacturer/ main distributors of the vehicle, I'm not sure if they will be permitted to create and attach a new VIN plate. And as they are based in the UK, that will be a logistical challenge..

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 9:22pm

stezie wrote: »

I will certainly email them, but going by the RSA website, as they are not the manufacturer/ main distributors of the vehicle, I'm not sure if they will be permitted to create and attach a new VIN plate. And as they are based in the UK, that will be a logistical challenge..

Because you're down plating, it should be a paperwork exercise as long as you can provide an unladen weight certificate from an authorised weighbridge and you are deemed to have sufficient payload within the new MAM. Shouldn't be difficult if you're under 2500kg unladen and plating to 3500kg.

stezie · 24-06-2020 9:29pm

alias no.9 wrote: »

Because you're down plating, it should be a paperwork exercise as long as you can provide an unladen weight certificate from an authorised weighbridge and you are deemed to have sufficient payload within the new MAM. Shouldn't be difficult if you're under 2500kg unladen and plating to 3500kg.

Obtaining a new VIN plate is my issue. The paperwork checks out.

Surely the vehicle wont pass CVRT if the VIN plate doesn't match the vehicle record details?

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 9:33pm

stezie wrote: »

Obtaining a new VIN plate is my issue. The paperwork checks out.

Surely the vehicle wont pass CVRT if the VIN plate doesn't match the vehicle record details?

SV Tech issue plates

niloc1951 · 24-06-2020 9:37pm

SVtech are the people to talk to, give them a ring they are very friendly.
SVtech will issue a new plate for 3,500kg GVW, which would have been the original GVW ex factory, and provide a certificate which is acceptable to the RSA.
The new plate, which is a stick-on foil type, is dated so it supersedes the original if anyone is inspecting it.
It's a well-trodden path which a good friend of mine travelled this time last year.

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 9:40pm

Do you have an SQI lined up? Is there a reason they can't do this for you as part of the signoff? Like I said it's a paperwork exercise to downplate provided you're not taking the piss with payload.

stezie · 24-06-2020 9:47pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

SVtech are the people to talk to, give them a ring they are very friendly.
SVtech will issue a new plate for 3,500kg GVW, which would have been the original GVW ex factory, and provide a certificate which is acceptable to the RSA.
The new plate, which is a stick-on foil type, is dated so it supersedes the original if anyone is inspecting it.
It's a well-trodden path which a good friend of mine travelled this time last year.

Good to hear! I will definitely reach out to them now.

alias no.9 wrote: »

Do you have an SQI lined up? Is there a reason they can't do this for you as part of the signoff? Like I said it's a paperwork exercise to downplate provided you're not taking the piss with payload.

Yeah the SQI said he can stamp the modification report to reflect the weight. But its the physical VIN plate that is the problem.

contrary_devil · 24-06-2020 9:58pm

stezie wrote: »

Google has not been friendly so far, hence this post.. This link doesn't provide any solution on how to get a new / amended VIN plate.

stezie wrote: »

I will certainly email them, but going by the RSA website, as they are not the manufacturer/ main distributors of the vehicle, I'm not sure if they will be permitted to create and attach a new VIN plate. And as they are based in the UK, that will be a logistical challenge..

Google hasn't been your friend because you don't bother to take the time to read or bother typing in the Google search box, all I did was type in "downrating a vehicle" and a number of items came up for me, including the link I provided which DOES PROVIDE A SOLUTION had you bothered to read it. It mentions and provides a link to SV Tech which others specifically mentioned and now you are going to mail them.

colm_mcm · 24-06-2020 10:12pm

alias no.9 wrote: »

Have you had it on a weighbridge yet? A boxer wouldn't typically be over 3500kgs unless it was custom built and a 505kg downgrade seems a lot unless you've stripped out a lot of weight and camper conversions usually add weight. What was its original purposes?

Here and in the uk, most of the big Ducatos/Boxers tend to be 3.5t GVW so you can drive them on a car licence, in most other markets they are 4t.

There are some rated above 3.5t, like minibuses, and some vans, and of course ambulances like the OPs.

Nothing to do with the kerbweight as such.

stezie · 24-06-2020 10:19pm

contrary_devil wrote: »

Google hasn't been your friend because you don't bother to take the time to read or bother typing in the Google search box, all I did was type in "downrating a vehicle" and a number of items came up for me, including the link I provided which DOES PROVIDE A SOLUTION had you bothered to read it. It mentions and provides a link to SV Tech which others specifically mentioned and now you are going to mail them.

You obviously like to rant with out any constructive comments?

First search result for "downrating a vehicle" shows you the RSA website, correct?

The link takes you to a PDF on down rating a vehicle in Ireland, correct?

Review page 2..

Contact your vehicle’s original manufacturer or authorised distributor. A
vehicle’s DGVW should never be changed without the original manufacturer’s
approval.

SVTECH is a UK company and does not appear to be either a manufacturer of Peugeot Vehicles, or authorised distributor, correct?

RSA ( Road Safety Authority) regularly set up check points to review road safety. Some of these checks is reviewing Driving licence and Vehicle weights, etc of the vehicle being used.

I really don't want to go about this illegally and have my license removed so I came to this forum for advise. Which I have now got. I will confirm with the RSA also on using SVTECH for my own records.

Nobody here needs a keyboard warrior, pretending they have turf on this forum telling people to literally F off and use google, without any constructive information...

Oh and by the way most other links in that google search come back from UK hosted websites, there is very little clear information on this exact process in Ireland.

stezie · 24-06-2020 10:21pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Here and in the uk, most of the big Ducatos/Boxers tend to be 3.5t GVW so you can drive them on a car licence, in most other markets they are 4t.

There are some rated above 3.5t, like minibuses, and some vans, and of course ambulances like the OPs.

Nothing to do with the kerbweight as such.

Correct , mines is the 440 model - 4.0 tonnes / 4,005kg GVW

https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/peugeot/boxer/2006-dimensions/

Padre_Pio · 24-06-2020 10:24pm

I called SVtech this year about down rating a transit jumbo.

Cost was about £200 and they just needed some pictures of the VIN plates.
I didn't end up going for it, but they were no hassle to deal with over the phone.

alias no.9 · 24-06-2020 10:26pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Here and in the uk, most of the big Ducatos/Boxers tend to be 3.5t GVW so you can drive them on a car licence, in most other markets they are 4t.

There are some rated above 3.5t, like minibuses, and some vans, and of course ambulances like the OPs.

Nothing to do with the kerbweight as such.

The kerb weight is only mentioned in the context of anyone who'll sign off a vehicle with a 3400kg unladen weight with a 3500kg MAM is a cowboy. The driver would have to choose between having a dinner or putting €5 in diesel for fear of ending up overloaded.

stezie · 24-06-2020 10:27pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I called SVtech this year about down rating a transit jumbo.

Cost was about £200 and they just needed some pictures of the VIN plates.
I didn't end up going for it, but they were no hassle to deal with over the phone.

£200, wow OK. seems alot for what it is.

Although, It still works out cheaper for me, than getting a new licence. Plus I would need a HGV vehicle test which is is twice the price of the LGV test

contrary_devil · 24-06-2020 10:30pm

stezie wrote: »

You obviously like to rant with out any constructive comments?

First search result for "downrating a vehicle" shows you the RSA website, correct?

Indeed correct, but the 2nd result is
GVW Uprate/Downrate - www.motorcaravanningireland.org

www.motorcaravanningireland.org

Which given the subject of your op might have been an obvious read seeing as the 1st had nothing useful for you.

SVTECH is a UK company and does not appear to be either a manufacturer of Peugeot Vehicles, or authorised distributor, correct?

Nobody here needs a keyboard warrior, pretending they have turf on this forum telling people to literally F off and use google, without any constructive information...

I shan't be bothered helping you any more if that's how you view me, I thought the link I provided had very useful information including the svtech website which you say you are going to investigate. :rolleyes:

Oh and by the way most other links in that google search come back from UK hosted websites, there is very little clear information on this exact process in Ireland.

Goodbye

stezie · 24-06-2020 10:39pm

contrary_devil wrote: »

Goodbye

Yes please... we need modern websites, with accurate information, with out the keyboard warrior attitude...

http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/189814512

This is not a credible source of information for me. They are not the legal authority, and have obsolete information.. Where here does it mention the VIN plate requirement? The VIN plate is what Im looking for..

Also this page attempts to link to the RSA website. That page is so old the links don't work any more...

the next few google links after that link to UK pages... so go Google, right?

Padre_Pio · 24-06-2020 11:27pm

stezie wrote: »

£200, wow OK. seems alot for what it is.

Although, It still works out cheaper for me, than getting a new licence. Plus I would need a HGV vehicle test which is is twice the price of the LGV test

I was in the same boat as you, camper conversion, looking at a jumbo dually.

I weighed up the pros and cons and ultimately I bought a 3.5 ton rated van. Downplating is cheaper than getting the license (cost, lessons time) but it's still a pain.

Call them tomorrow and see what they say. They'll give you all the info over the phone.

niloc1951 · 30-06-2020 11:00am

stezie wrote: »

Yes please... we need modern websites, with accurate information, with out the keyboard warrior attitude...

http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/189814512

This is not a credible source of information for me. They are not the legal authority, and have obsolete information.. Where here does it mention the VIN plate requirement? The VIN plate is what Im looking for..

Also this page attempts to link to the RSA website. That page is so old the links don't work any more...

the next few google links after that link to UK pages... so go Google, right?

The RSA is not the most creditable source for this information. Down plating light vehicles for motorhome use is a relatively new phenonem here in Ireland plus there are no written procedures available to complete such a project, making it an awkward and difficult preceedure to navigate.

SVTech are an authorised SQI for this work and are well familiar with the process SEE HERE and are recognised by the RSA. As are other Auto Engineers here in Ireland.

As for using SVTech, a friend got his motorhome based on a Mercedes Sprinter uprated from 3,8t to 4.0t last year with no problems.

stezie · 30-06-2020 5:32pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

The RSA is not the most creditable source for this information. Down plating light vehicles for motorhome use is a relatively new phenonem here in Ireland plus there are no written procedures available to complete such a project, making it an awkward and difficult preceedure to navigate.

Agreed.

stezie · 10-08-2020 4:15pm

So as an FYI, The RSA is not accepting the paperwork from SVTECH.

I have spent weeks being bounced between the motortax office, revenue, RSA, CVRT test center, etc...

This was a waste of effort, and money...

Peugeot them selves are not helpful.

Any advise?

autumnalcore · 10-08-2020 4:26pm

What was their justification for not accepting it, of they havnt provided a concrete reason write to the to minister.

autumnalcore · 10-08-2020 4:28pm

If they have provided a valid reason for refusal talk to your local approved test centre that does masses and dimensions.

stezie · 10-08-2020 4:28pm

the response I received from the RSA is as follows:

A vehicle has been converted from M2, M3, N2 or N3 to N1 since its last CVR test. For these conversions, a letter on official headed paper from the manufacturer or his authorised distributor is required to accompany the modification report in order to affirm the suitability of the type of modification which has been undertaken.

The paperwork from SvTech is not sufficient for this vehicle to be tested as an LCV, in the absence of a letter from the manufacturer.

Padre_Pio · 10-08-2020 5:24pm

stezie wrote: »

the response I received from the RSA is as follows:

A vehicle has been converted from M2, M3, N2 or N3 to N1 since its last CVR test. For these conversions, a letter on official headed paper from the manufacturer or his authorised distributor is required to accompany the modification report in order to affirm the suitability of the type of modification which has been undertaken.

The paperwork from SvTech is not sufficient for this vehicle to be tested as an LCV, in the absence of a letter from the manufacturer.

Call the Peugeot garage and see if they'll write a note?

stezie · 10-08-2020 5:25pm

autumnalcore wrote: »

If they have provided a valid reason for refusal talk to your local approved test centre that does masses and dimensions.

The response I posted above came from the test center after I tried to get it tested.. They contacted RSA for me..

stezie · 10-08-2020 5:29pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Call the Peugeot garage and see if they'll write a note?

I rang the local Peugeot garage at least 10 times, about this.. They took my number every time.

Also rang gowans the main peugeot distributor for Ireland who never had a request for a down rate on the weights..

Padre_Pio · 10-08-2020 6:36pm

stezie wrote: »

I rang the local Peugeot garage at least 10 times, about this.. They took my number every time.

Also rang gowans the main peugeot distributor for Ireland who never had a request for a down rate on the weights..

Just a small and maybe useless point, you're not down rating, you're down plating.

Down rating sounds like you're making changes so it physically can't carry 7.5 ton, opposite being up rating where you make physical changes so a van can carry more (shocks, brakes etc)

I think the phrases are almost interchangeable, but maybe it might lead to some confusion.

stezie · 10-08-2020 6:43pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Just a small and maybe useless point, you're not down rating, you're down plating.

Down rating sounds like you're making changes so it physically can't carry 7.5 ton, opposite being up rating where you make physical changes so a van can carry more (shocks, brakes etc)

I think the phrases are almost interchangeable, but maybe it might lead to some confusion.

None of the government sites I looked at mentioned the term down plating

stezie · 20-10-2020 9:26am

OK, so the saga is complete and the Van is now registered as a 3500KG motorhome.. eventually.

Here is the process I had to follow, I will put lessons learned below.

1. Apply a weight plate from the likes of SVtech.
2. Carry out motorhome modifications, and have an engineer sign off on the motorhome modifications and the new weight plate being attached. Have the engineer sign an RSA modification report on the weight plate to state that no modifications are required for the lower weight limits. Needed this later for the test.
3. Submit application to Revenue and pay them the motorhome VRT.
4. Take letter from Revenue and inform motor tax office of weight change ( SEE NOTE BELOW) and get it taxed as a motor home.
5. Inform RSA that the van is now 3500kg and get it tested as a LGV/motorhome

The motortax office will only have access to modify the vehicle record at time of taxing. If you already have tax on the vehicle I don't think it is possible to update the vehicle weight. You will need to wait until renewal. MAKE sure you have them update the weights as you tax it as motorhome. As the motor home tax disc is for one year, as far as I can tell , you will need to wait for this tax disc to be cancelled / renewed to modify.

Although I had all my paper work above in place, the RSA test centre still failed the van on "modification of vehicle VIN plate, without supporting documentation" . Their computer system still had the van listed as a HGV even though I had the log book there to show that it was registered as 3500KG. He didn't want to test the van as he would have to put it through as a HGV. After a bit of a heated discussion, I said I paid for a test and they he should put it through as a LGV, which he did, but failed it on the note above. I said he would need to clarify with the RSA on the manual because I believed I had everything in place as requested by the RSA tester manual. A week later I got a call from the test centre , that I indeed had everything in order and issued the pass result.

From what I have learned above, the Revenue, Motortax office and the RSA have all got their own convoluted processes and they don't know themselves what they should be doing! Each department will bounce you from one to the next without giving you a clear answer, expecting you to know their processes inside and out. You try and do things legally in this country and you are thrown so many roadblocks, and are expected to pay heavily to get over them.. I'm pretty sure they are doing their power to keep vehicles off the road, not support safe road users..

Not an easy process to learn first hand, but got there in the end.

Note: this is my experience, your vehicle and situation may have a different process. I'm still not an expert on this.

niloc1951 · 20-10-2020 12:36pm

stezie wrote: »

OK, so the saga is complete and the Van is now registered as a 3500KG motorhome.. eventually.

Here is the process I had to follow, I will put lessons learned below.

1. Apply a weight plate from the likes of SVtech.
2. Carry out motorhome modifications, and have an engineer sign off on the motorhome modifications and the new weight plate being attached. Have the engineer sign an RSA modification report on the weight plate to state that no modifications are required for the lower weight limits. Needed this later for the test.
3. Submit application to Revenue and pay them the motorhome VRT.
4. Take letter from Revenue and inform motor tax office of weight change ( SEE NOTE BELOW) and get it taxed as a motor home.
5. Inform RSA that the van is now 3500kg and get it tested as a LGV/motorhome

The motortax office will only have access to modify the vehicle record at time of taxing. If you already have tax on the vehicle I don't think it is possible to update the vehicle weight. You will need to wait until renewal. MAKE sure you have them update the weights as you tax it as motorhome. As the motor home tax disc is for one year, as far as I can tell , you will need to wait for this tax disc to be cancelled / renewed to modify.

Although I had all my paper work above in place, the RSA test centre still failed the van on "modification of vehicle VIN plate, without supporting documentation" . Their computer system still had the van listed as a HGV even though I had the log book there to show that it was registered as 3500KG. He didn't want to test the van as he would have to put it through as a HGV. After a bit of a heated discussion, I said I paid for a test and they he should put it through as a LGV, which he did, but failed it on the note above. I said he would need to clarify with the RSA on the manual because I believed I had everything in place as requested by the RSA tester manual. A week later I got a call from the test centre , that I indeed had everything in order and issued the pass result.

From what I have learned above, the Revenue, Motortax office and the RSA have all got their own convoluted processes and they don't know themselves what they should be doing! Each department will bounce you from one to the next without giving you a clear answer, expecting you to know their processes inside and out. You try and do things legally in this country and you are thrown so many roadblocks, and are expected to pay heavily to get over them.. I'm pretty sure they are doing their power to keep vehicles off the road, not support safe road users..

Not an easy process to learn first hand, but got there in the end.

Note: this is my experience, your vehicle and situation may have a different process. I'm still not an expert on this.

I feel your pain.
The underlying problem is that none of the abovementioned bodies seems to be able to talk to each other and that's compounded by none of then having any written procedures for up or down plating of motorhomes. it's truly an ad hoc procedure.

stezie · 21-10-2020 11:47am

niloc1951 wrote: »

I feel your pain.
The underlying problem is that none of the abovementioned bodies seems to be able to talk to each other and that's compounded by none of then having any written procedures for up or down plating of motorhomes. it's truly an ad hoc procedure.

This is certainly the case. They have no interest in helping. They don't want to give an answer, because there is high chance they are incorrect. They don't want to reach out to their internal departments to clarify.

It is a shambles. They have all these departments and red tape, saying that it to help road safety. It is nonsense. Each department demands a hefty chunk of change, just to change one field on the registration book.

This process takes a matter of hours in the UK, and costs very little. In Ireland it took months, and cost thousands..

niallmul · 31-05-2021 2:44pm

Reviving this thread because I'm slightly unclear. Great info below, but I'm having the same issues now with motor tax office referring me to RSA, referring me to department of transport etc...

In the process of buying a converted Peugeot Boxer that is listed on the logbook as 4ton GVW as well as on the vehicle plate. The van has already been converted to a campervan on the logbook, so does anyone know what the process is for down plating it to 3.5ton on the logbook and plate when it is already listed as a campervan?

Cheers!!

stezie · 01-06-2021 3:28pm

niallmul wrote: »

Reviving this thread because I'm slightly unclear. Great info below, but I'm having the same issues now with motor tax office referring me to RSA, referring me to department of transport etc...

In the process of buying a converted Peugeot Boxer that is listed on the logbook as 4ton GVW as well as on the vehicle plate. The van has already been converted to a campervan on the logbook, so does anyone know what the process is for down plating it to 3.5ton on the logbook and plate when it is already listed as a campervan?

Cheers!!

The steps I followed in is post 36..

Your scenario is different in that yours is already registered as a motor caravan.

I would imagine, but I could be wrong, is that you need a SVTECH cert and updated VIN sticker for the weight change. You then notify the motor tax office who will update the record to 3500kg using the change of particulars form, you then book a CVRT test as a LGV ( you will need to phone the CVRT office and tell them as the system will still have it as a HGV), and then take the CVRT test and retax it.

good luck!

niallmul · 01-06-2021 4:08pm

stezie wrote: »

The steps I followed in is post 36..

Your scenario is different in that yours is already registered as a motor caravan.

I would imagine, but I could be wrong, is that you need a SVTECH cert and updated VIN sticker for the weight change. You then notify the motor tax office who will update the record to 3500kg using the change of particulars form, you then book a CVRT test as a LGV ( you will need to phone the CVRT office and tell them as the system will still have it as a HGV), and then take the CVRT test and retax it.

good luck!

Yup, I had a good read through it but like you say, the fact that it's already a campervan was throwing me!

Thanks for the help, I've contacted SVTECH as well in the mean time so fingers crossed. Motor tax office had said they wouldn't have anything to do with it as it wasn't going to affect the vehicle's tax status as it's already a camper. Sorry if this is an obvious question but I've no experience with commercials, do you know if I can book the CVRT test any time or do I have to wait until the test is up?

Thanks again!!

stezie · 01-06-2021 4:45pm

niallmul wrote: »

Yup, I had a good read through it but like you say, the fact that it's already a campervan was throwing me!

Thanks for the help, I've contacted SVTECH as well in the mean time so fingers crossed. Motor tax office had said they wouldn't have anything to do with it as it wasn't going to affect the vehicle's tax status as it's already a camper. Sorry if this is an obvious question but I've no experience with commercials, do you know if I can book the CVRT test any time or do I have to wait until the test is up?

Thanks again!!

I believe they need to update the Vehicle particulars on the log book, ie the weight limits. I do remember them saying they can only update vehicle record at tax renewal.. So that might be an issue if you still have a years tax on it..

You can book a test any time Im sure, but not sure how that affects the expiry date.

Perhaps the CVRT can update the vehicle weights on the vehicle record...you have a slighty different scenario to mines

markmoto · 01-06-2021 6:48pm

stezie wrote: »

Good to hear! I will definitely reach out to them now.

Yeah the SQI said he can stamp the modification report to reflect the weight. But its the physical VIN plate that is the problem.

physical VIN plate fitted by your vehicle make dealers garage. If one got no clue what you talking about ring another one.

stezie · 05-06-2021 8:51am

markmoto wrote: »

physical VIN plate fitted by your vehicle make dealers garage. If one got no clue what you talking about ring another one.

Peugeot wouldn't make a new VIN plate for me. Rang several dealers and the headquarters in Dublin even.

niloc1951 · 06-06-2021 4:05pm

If you want to keep the business local talk to https://www.proassess.ie/,. they are very helpful and are familiar with the up-plating and down-plating process for campers.

Down rating vehicle weight

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