North Quays

O Riain · 22-01-2015 2:09pm

Max Powers wrote: »

i think most of us agree that a footbridge is essential to something happening over there, to connect it to city, for F-bank, for developers to be interested etc. That should probably be priority 1 for council, nobody (maybe those on the north side) would use a public area over there unless its easily accessible from city side.
Unfortunately, i dont think the council has the money, i dont see private enterprise jumping to get in there, money from central govt would be difficult in current circumstances, i dont see local politicians doing the unpopular and maybe raising LPT 5% to fund it over a number of years, i dont see the people of Waterford willing to pay extra for something like that...many difficulties

Could the council not do some kind of fund it style program for projects round the city? I'm sure people would be willing to cough up a few bob if they knew exactly what the money was going towards. I'm sure businesses would be interested in supporting this as it could potentially increase the number of people coming into the city.

Harry Palmr · 22-01-2015 2:25pm

Do EU structural funds still exist?

Psychedelic · 22-01-2015 6:59pm

wellboytoo wrote: »

This action is being taken by the Receivers and NAMA on foot of a dereliction notice by Waterford Council, the hold up at the moment is they need to apply for a waste licence to store the crushed concrete that will result from the demolition.
This will take a minimum of six weeks to happen , demolition will start sometime after that date.
The above are the facts, the only thing on the wharf when they finish will be a large pile of crushed concrete.

Don't read anything else into it.

Do you know 100% if all the North Quay buildings will be demolished? This is the biggest piece of news from a city development point of view in the last decade, yet the Council has issued nothing official and surely the Mayor & Councillors would've been all over this trying to be the first to break the news, all we have is a few sentences from WLR.

The Bowling Alley · 22-01-2015 7:16pm

Psychedelic wrote: »

Do you know 100% if all the North Quay buildings will be demolished? This is the biggest piece of news from a city development point of view in the last decade, yet the Council has issued nothing official and surely the Mayor & Councillors would've been all over this trying to be the first to break the news, all we have is a few sentences from WLR.

It was on the front page of the news and star this week

Cabaal · 22-01-2015 9:13pm

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

It was on the front page of the news and star this week

It's also been on WLR,

BBM77 · 22-01-2015 9:20pm

Psychedelic wrote: »

Do you know 100% if all the North Quay buildings will be demolished? This is the biggest piece of news from a city development point of view in the last decade, yet the Council has issued nothing official and surely the Mayor & Councillors would've been all over this trying to be the first to break the news, all we have is a few sentences from WLR.

I think people are confusing demolishing with building. There are no plans to build anything there at present they are just knocking the buildings that are there now.

south · 22-01-2015 11:49pm

Does Iarnród Éireann not own some of that land also? I could be wrong but I thought that was the case when they talked about developing the land a few years ago.

Shane07 · 23-01-2015 12:16am

There will be one of the concrete towers left as there is preservation order on it from what I heard!

crazyman · 23-01-2015 1:08pm

Having been a resident in Ferrybank for the last ten years I'm absolutely delighted that this is finally happening. Even if nothing is built for the moment, just knocking those monstrosities will transform the area by opening up the view and taking the derelict, dull, and dark appearance away - even just walking into town will be a different experience.

wmpdd3 · 23-01-2015 1:42pm

I would love a footbridge, shouldn't that be the main part of any green route!

I can't see how we could have one though. Would it have a lifting span too? If not, rice bridge would be obsolete.

Anyone remember the Heineken night that was held on the docks about 7 years ago? Maybe the docks could be another venue like Bolten St.

But seriously, what will happen with rats if they do knock the mills down? Seriously thinking of dropping over to the kk office in the centre to ask!

Max Powers · 23-01-2015 1:47pm

Shane07 wrote: »

There will be one of the concrete towers left as there is preservation order on it from what I heard!

i heard or read in N&S its not one of the towers but a building behind it, by behind, i presume they mean on Fbank side.

Harry Palmr · 23-01-2015 1:49pm

The bridge would have to be either lifting or swivel and that is why one is unlikely to be built. No point in inviting cruise ship in if they can't get them up to where the silos are.

Jamie2k9 · 23-01-2015 2:52pm

Relocate the station there (out of the floods) with retail and office space above, integrated with relocated bus station, footbridge to town, big statue of ow do....

We can but dream!

Moving it there is all well and good but trains will not be able to get into it because of flooding, station isn't the real issue.

cgcsb · 23-01-2015 4:44pm

http://www.waterfordcity.ie/documents/udf-lap/UrbanDesignFrameworkPlanR2.pdf

The 2008 plans are here. No reason why the same planning framework can't continue with apt/office blocks of 8 storeys being the norm. The bridge will connect Barronstrand street with the northside. Of course all this means eliminating quay side parking in favour of a pedestrian plaza + the odd outdoor market.

All seems very decent and great way for the city to develop without any suburbanisation. I would say the council should focus soley on this planning scheme and just refuse any further outward expansion of suburbs.

PropJoe10 · 29-01-2015 4:25pm

Shane07 wrote: »

There will be one of the concrete towers left as there is preservation order on it from what I heard!

Please God no. The sooner those buildings are all nuked with extreme prejudice, the better for everyone. Disgusting eyesores is what they are. Justice for the rat population though!

Jambo · 29-01-2015 5:30pm

Shane07 wrote: »

There will be one of the concrete towers left as there is preservation order on it from what I heard!

My Guess it would be larger building in the picture below that is staying ( this is behind the current front building which used to have the large poster on it)

Out of interest here is the same building getting built

All pictures are from the Poole Collection at the National Library

Add a bit of positive thinking and planning and it could be converted to something like this Opera house in Marseille / Le Silo Marseille

Or one any of the many examples on Google

wellboytoo · 30-01-2015 12:03am

I've heard this story before its a protected structure, I've gone through the list on the council's site and it is not listed.
http://www.waterfordcity.ie/departments/planning/conservation.htm

Jambo · 30-01-2015 9:58am

wellboytoo wrote: »

I've heard this story before its a protected structure, I've gone through the list on the council's site and it is not listed.
http://www.waterfordcity.ie/departments/planning/conservation.htm

Maybe not protected but its listed in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage records.

R. and H. Hall Flour Mills, Dock Road, Waterford, County Waterford

Reg. No. 22900908
Date 1900 - 1910
Previous Name N/A
County County Waterford
Coordinates 260852, 112856
Categories of Special Interest ARCHITECTURAL TECHNICAL
Rating National
Original Use store/warehouse

Description
Attached ten-bay nine-storey reinforced-concrete flat-roofed warehouse, built 1905, originally detached. Now disused. Flat concrete roof behind cornice parapet with steel railings over. Unpainted roughcast walls over reinforced concrete construction with rendered dressings including three-storey piers to ground, first and second floor, two-storey piers to each two-storey section over on moulded stringcourses, horizontal bands to each floor, and moulded cornice to top floor. Square-headed window openings with no sills, and steel casement windows. Interior with reinforced concrete floors, and concrete beams on concrete piers having chamfered corners. Set back from line of road.

Appraisal
An imposing building of national importance forming the centrepiece of an industrial complex located on the north wharf in Waterford City. Designed by William Friel (n. d.) employing an innovative construction system developed by François Hennebique (1842 - 1921) in 1892, the warehouse was only the second such building erected in the island of Ireland (a contemporary building survives in Belfast). Advanced construction techniques are masked by rendered details, producing a strikingly Modern geometric design, a distinctive feature in the landscape. Originally standing alone on the riverside, much of the dramatic impact of the warehouse has been compromised by the systematic development of the adjacent sites throughout the twentieth century.

Max Powers · 30-01-2015 10:38am

great pics Jambo, it would take a lot of money to do up that block.

Cabaal · 30-01-2015 1:52pm

Sometimes we have to be careful about what we call to be demolished,

Remember that in the 1960's many structures were knocked down in the belief that they looked like crap, were unsuitable and/or could not be modernised, today we see many of the structures that replaced them as eyesores that never should have been built.

We potentially risk the same happening again, I'm sure many people saw the old crane on the quays as an eyesore at one time but yet it adds character to the quays and I doubt many would want it knocked now.

Which looks better, the modern waterford station

or

The old station

Whilst the old mill buildings may not look great now, in the right surroundings and if cleaned up and in use they could look just fine.

wellboytoo · 30-01-2015 1:55pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Sometimes we have to be careful about what we call to be demolished,

Remember that in the 1960's many structures were knocked down in the belief that they looked like crap, today we see many of the structures that replaced them as eyesores.

We risk the same happening again, I'm sure many people saw the old crane on the quays as an eyesore but yet it adds character to the quays and without a doubt it should never be knocked.

Which looks better, the modern waterford station

or

The old station

I don't think you will get anyone arguing there.

BBM77 · 30-01-2015 2:44pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Sometimes we have to be careful about what we call to be demolished,

Remember that in the 1960's many structures were knocked down in the belief that they looked like crap, were unsuitable and/or could not be modernised, today we see many of the structures that replaced them as eyesores that never should have been built.

We potentially risk the same happening again, I'm sure many people saw the old crane on the quays as an eyesore at one time but yet it adds character to the quays and I doubt many would want it knocked now.

Which looks better, the modern waterford station

or

The old station

Whilst the old mill buildings may not look great now, in the right surroundings and if cleaned up and in use they could look just fine.

Very well said. Bishop Foys School on The Mall and the Old jail up on Ballybricken (well at least the front of it) are two more examples I could think of.

fricatus · 30-01-2015 4:12pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Very well said. Bishop Foys School on The Mall and the Old jail up on Ballybricken (well at least the front of it) are two more examples I could think of.

You could add to that the Fanning Institute (I think that was the name; it was before my time) which stood where the Tax Office is now, in the Glen.

At least the Tax Office was improved about 10 years ago. It had been the mother of all eyesores up until then.

Professey Chin · 30-01-2015 4:15pm

Some absolutely shocking buildings were put up in Ireland in the 60s/70s. They just got Rectangle into their head and ran with it

Harry Palmr · 30-01-2015 4:17pm

Cabaal...are you suggesting the silos and that rat-infested box have some great visual merit?

wmpdd3 · 30-01-2015 4:28pm

No just the RH building.

Appraisal
An imposing building of national importance forming the centrepiece of an industrial complex located on the north wharf in Waterford City. Designed by William Friel (n. d.) employing an innovative construction system developed by François Hennebique (1842 - 1921) in 1892, the warehouse was only the second such building erected in the island of Ireland (a contemporary building survives in Belfast). Advanced construction techniques are masked by rendered details, producing a strikingly Modern geometric design, a distinctive feature in the landscape. Originally standing alone on the riverside, much of the dramatic impact of the warehouse has been compromised by the systematic development of the adjacent sites throughout the twentieth century.

Maybe when it is back to being there on its own, it will be appreciated more.

I remember the granary on the quay when it was a building salvage type shop. It looked as if it was about to fall into the building next door, now they make the quay what it is.

Has anyone any pics of the silos? can you gain access?

dzilla · 31-01-2015 11:16am

wmpdd3 wrote: »

No just the RH building.

Maybe when it is back to being there on its own, it will be appreciated more.

I remember the granary on the quay when it was a building salvage type shop. It looked as if it was about to fall into the building next door, now they make the quay what it is.

Has anyone any pics of the silos? can you gain access?

U cannot gain access legally....

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/92219-R-amp-H-Hall-Flour-Mills-Waterford-Ireland-September-2014

^^^ see link for pics

wmpdd3 · 02-02-2015 2:13am

Briliant photos, I was showing my family who all played on the docks growing up. The more I see the more I think parts are worth saving, even just the wood in the pictures is really beautiful

iseegirls · 02-02-2015 4:55pm

dzilla wrote: »

U cannot gain access legally....

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/92219-R-amp-H-Hall-Flour-Mills-Waterford-Ireland-September-2014

^^^ see link for pics

Picture 8 is pretty scary. Imagine having an interview there

fiachr_a · 12-02-2015 7:39pm

RTÉ programme about Waterford Quay: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10375216/

Irishlad2014 · 03-03-2015 1:13pm

Any word on when demolition is starting? This months sometime?

Professey Chin · 23-04-2015 6:15pm

May 7th apparently

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2015/04/23/d-day-for-demolition/

Harry Palmr · 23-04-2015 7:42pm

We'll all be down there for the detonation!

The Bowling Alley · 23-04-2015 8:20pm

I'm sure they'll just be hacking away at it with chisels. Watch this space, in 6 months we'll be giving out about all the rubble and how it's a bigger eye sore than the silos ever were.

wellboytoo · 23-04-2015 9:40pm

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

I'm sure they'll just be hacking away at it with chisels. Watch this space, in 6 months we'll be giving out about all the rubble and how it's a bigger eye sore than the silos ever were.

I would imagine it will be taken down by long reach excavators with shears onto a sand bed myself.

The Bowling Alley · 23-04-2015 10:58pm

I was being facetious but I think my prediction will at least half come true in time.

Harry Palmr · 23-04-2015 11:14pm

I just want a big explosion!

Max Powers · 24-04-2015 10:26am

was only thinking about this this morning but unfortuantely there will be no big explosion or wrecking ball prob just a couple of excavators hacking away at it.

Im kinda changing my mind on them leaving the old reinforced concrete 6/7 storey block, I originally thought; knock it all, however it has potential in a industrial type way and could look great when combined with some newer type buildings. Might change my mind again when we can see rest of it gone.

BBM77 · 24-04-2015 12:14pm

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

I'm sure they'll just be hacking away at it with chisels. Watch this space, in 6 months we'll be giving out about all the rubble and how it's a bigger eye sore than the silos ever were.

I’m open to correction on this but surely they are not going to leave a pile of concrete rubble on the site. The whole point is to improve the appearance of the site. Sure this would defeat that purpose. I’d imagine that the concrete and scrap metal will be sold to cover part of the cost.

Max Powers wrote: »

...Im kinda changing my mind on them leaving the old reinforced concrete 6/7 storey block, I originally thought; knock it all, however it has potential in a industrial type way and could look great when combined with some newer type buildings. Might change my mind again when we can see rest of it gone.

This is the reason that I and others have been arguing that this building should be keep. Once it gone it is gone forever. Waterford people have a problem in not seeing the value in anything we have. We have lost many fine buildings because of this attitude. There is no reason that this building could not become an office block or something. When the site is cleared and this building is standing on its own people will see the potential it has.

Shane07 · 24-04-2015 1:16pm

The 9 storey building is the only one being left as there is a preservation order on it! I agree this could be turned into a fine office or apartment block!

Max Powers · 24-04-2015 1:27pm

Shane07 wrote: »

The 9 storey building is the only one being left as there is a preservation order on it! I agree this could be turned into a fine office or apartment block!

yeah, agree but its not so pretty, historic etc etc that if a developer wanted to knock it to build something good that we should be stuck with it, as i said in previous post this morning, it has potential but reality is, it costs more to renovate than to do up so we cant be beholden to it. Would love to see it done up. Ideal for a Science museum, childrens museum, offices etc etc

Jambo · 24-04-2015 7:54pm

BBM77 wrote: »

I’m open to correction on this but surely they are not going to leave a pile of concrete rubble on the site. The whole point is to improve the appearance of the site. Sure this would defeat that purpose. I’d imagine that the concrete and scrap metal will be sold to cover part of the cost.

I think the whole delay with the demolition commencing related to obtaining waste permits to store the waste onsite. (im sure this was mentioned in one of the news paper articles recently when demolition was announced)

wmpdd3 · 25-04-2015 12:06am

I would have thought they would have to know it and take away the rubble etc and make it safe until I saw what was left of the fertiliser factory in New Ross!

Hopefully it will be cleared and made safe. Time to get a few pics in from Ferrybank and the Quay before it all changes.

allthedoyles · 25-04-2015 12:14am

Who are the demolition company ?

wellboytoo · 25-04-2015 5:25am

allthedoyles wrote: »

Who are the demolition company ?

Don't know but imagine Loftus or Tinnelys AFAIK the only ones left in the industry

jimbojazz · 25-04-2015 10:45pm

wellboytoo wrote: »

Don't know but imagine Loftus or Tinnelys AFAIK the only ones left in the industry

Demolition Services Ireland as far as I know. They're from Derry

Chip Whitley · 28-04-2015 10:39am

That's all very well and good lads but... where will the army of rats go?!

I'm joking... I think.

fricatus · 28-04-2015 10:46am

Brendão wrote: »

That's all very well and good lads but... where will the army of rats go?!

I'm joking... I think.

As long as they stay north of the river, I'm happy! :P

Seriously though, I would assume that "wildlife management" would be part of any demolition plan. Anyone with expertise in this area enlighten us?

wellboytoo · 28-04-2015 3:30pm

Brendão wrote: »

That's all very well and good lads but... where will the army of rats go?!

I'm joking... I think.

The flying rats, pidgeons are going to be the big problem

Wanderer78 · 28-04-2015 9:03pm

fricatus wrote: »

Seriously though, I would assume that "wildlife management" would be part of any demolition plan.

makes sense but....

North Quays

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