US Presidential Election 2020

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Nailed it.

Trump's hate can't counteract that. What's he gonna respond with?

Probably name-calling and capital letters.

Some of the Fox News opinion polls should be very worrying for the republicans not just trump. The setnate republicans who are up will have to make a decision to break from trump even slightly if the polls don't improve. For example Biden and trump are in a statistical tie in Texas of all places with the election five months away. I don't think joe Biden is the perfect candidate but he is good enough and given the way the US is at the moment it may prove to be an excellent choice. Biden should just do what is required because trump is hurting himself without any help from the Biden campaign.

pixelburp wrote: »

It's an election year, there's not a hope in hell the GOP will ditch Trump publicly, and the most you'll likely see is Romney or Murkowski tutting and feigning distaste. They've held their nose this long. Politics in the US are too partisan, too far gone for any party's members to deviate. Oh there'll be plenty of retroactive "I never did support him" once Trump's gone but for now? Naw, John McCain was the outlier here.

I don't expect them to do it's publicly hence why I said even slightly. When it comes to the crunch let's be honest the GOP want their guy in the White House but they want to keep their seats in congress more IMO. So I'll agree they won't do it publicly but I can see those in vulnerable seats using the old "all politics is local" card if trump is sinking badly and making them look bad.

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yes we saw that when the MSNBC reporter tried to interview any Republican senator the other day and not one would talk to her.

Republicans one and all are still behind Trump, even Romney refused to answer questions.

They didn't exactly sound like they were fully behind him bar ted Cruz who after all trump said about his wife and father still supports trump for some reason.

StringerBell wrote: »

That's the most amusing thing about Romney, Romney who voted to impeach, and remove the president for being unfit for office, isn't sure if he will be supporting him in November. It would almost make you laugh.

Could Romney be acting on big picture grounds?

If he were to state that he was not going to support Trump now, other GOP moderates (as much as they exist), might follow leading to a situation where the election might be all but a formality for a Biden win.

If that becomes clear in June, July, what is Trump going to do in the intervening months if he feels his 2nd term is being stolen from him.

I just typed there that he might incite civil war and I deleted it because it seems just too bizarre to say about a US President in 2020, but, look at where we are.

Hopefully the likes of Romney and Bush are waiting until September or October to endorse, for maximum impact.

Well, he was hoping the protests would turn violent, to fulfil his 'Law and Order', deflect from Covid 19 play.
He just got that wrong, too.

Biden leading nationally by 14 points on latest CNN poll.

No doubt if election was held right now Biden would win and probably with bit to spare. Things could change by November

Starting to think this is all happening too soon for biden he has established a lead in the polls now more down to trump hurting himself and keeping himself out of the limelight as much as possible. Once the debates and the campaigning starts trump will fly back up as like I mentioned Biden does better out of the spotlight add that in to the time trump has to get the economy back up and running and it only enhances his chances. 5 months is a long time for this to swing back the other way

Well Trump seems to be the best opposition to Trump ... Let him keep shooting his mouth off ,and getting in ridiculous arguments , at this rate all Biden has to do is shut up ,and not die .... ( I hope )

is_that_so wrote: »

As they say you can only beat what's in front of you. A Biden presidency would be one term and he'd be a useful interim POTUS to allow them to move forward on whatever they want the US to be.

I'm old enough to remember Mitt Romney's father marching in protests; Biden will hopefully bring one thing to the US - calmness. Nixon was a dreadful guy, but riots in the late 60's weren't great, either. Nixon accomplished a lot on the world stage and was a much better candidate than his opponents in both elections, plus Humphrey had the Vietnam baggage. If Nixon hadn't lost control of his paranoia, who knows how he'd have been regarded had he lasted for his entire second term.

Chaos presidency has been emphatically proven not to work, because when there's a crisis - and there's *always* a crisis - tearing down everything means disaster. Successful businessmen don't make good political leaders; most shy away at it, because of two things in my view: 1, you have to be willing to sacrifice people for business ends, in the case of businessmen think "Neutron" Jack Welch, throwing money at things and firing people doesn't work when you're providing essential services like health care or safety. 2, most high level businessmen are more lucky than good. Michelle Obama's quote about being on lots of high-level corporate boards and unimpressed by your typical BOT member comes to mind. Trump's a classic 'lucky than good,' and he's actually not all that lucky, was born into wealth but cleverly managed to promote an image (fantasy) rather than a reality. I didn't learn till the other day that his TV show had been on for 14 years. Crazy.

Igotadose wrote: »

Nixon was a dreadful guy, but riots in the late 60's weren't great, either. Nixon accomplished a lot on the world stage and was a much better candidate than his opponents in both elections, plus Humphrey had the Vietnam baggage.

Funnily enough, the Russians interfered in that election too. Telling Hanoi to go with Johnsons peace talks. Nixon had a back channel to Saigon and told them to hold firm and defy Johnson with the peace talks until he (Nixon) got into office. Basically sabotaged the peace talks. Thats treason.

Igotadose wrote: »

If Nixon hadn't lost control of his paranoia, who knows how he'd have been regarded had he lasted for his entire second term.

One of the all time great presidents.

I don't understand that, would he not see him as a threat anyway?

And what will he do if he sees him as a threat?

Tell lies about him? Trump up charges and Investigations into him and his family? Make up idiotic nicknames about him? Target him and his supporters via social media and attack ads that do not often pass the fact check screen?

Gbear wrote: »

I think a mistake a lot of people keep making about Biden, is thinking he's out of step with the voters and backwards.

Take the defunding police thing - as far as I'm aware, public perceptions of police is actually positive, even in the African American community, and there's little support among the electorate for dramatic ground up reconstruction of the police force.

I've seen a few people online moaning about how Biden is as bad as Trump, or that's its some kind of disaster for democracy that he's the candidate, and to be fair, I doubt they're representative of Sanders supporters in general, and many of them are probably bots designed to depress the vote (on places like Our President, or other Bernie subs on reddit), but the point is that Biden has proven to be far closer to the general public in terms of his policies.

Banning private health insurance is wildly unpopular, as are some of the other more extreme positions coming from the left of the Democratic party, and while the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, I think Biden has handled the consolidation of the party incredibly well - far better than Clinton did, giving a platform to the left of the party, without alienating the majority of his support that don't actually agree with them much.

If I could thank this post twice I would. Bang on the money.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

And that's exactly why Biden was needed in this race...Those swing voters are older, they are small c conservative and they are mainly white.

No one like Sanders or Warren would be getting anywhere near those votes.

That was the argument last time - that Hillary Clinton was needed to pick up white conservative voters.

It didn't work.

serfboard wrote: »

That was the argument last time - that Hillary Clinton was needed to pick up white conservative voters.

It didn't work.

Media and Republicans made Clinton the most hated person on Earth though and that was before the final 2 weeks where places like NY Times ran her emails story on front page 12 out of the last 14 days. Even lifelong democratic voters like my aunt viewed her as awful by the end. They managed to make her more unpopular than Trump which was some achievement.

Clinton struggled in primary in the rust belt vs Sanders whereas Biden blew away Sanders in the same states Clinton either lost or just about clung on.

She didn't canvass the mid west states even when Bill told her to do it. Equally to Trump and GOP painting her in a bad light, she misjudged.

serfboard wrote: »

That was the argument last time - that Hillary Clinton was needed to pick up white conservative voters.

It didn't work.

Not really.
2016 was always going to be about Clinton, from the time she lost to Obama in 2008, 2016 was always the target.

Biden was never running in 2020 until he was persuaded to relatively late on.
The higher ups in the Democrat party knew they were on a hiding to nowhere with Sanders or Warren as the potential nominee.

They needed someone like Biden to be less radical, to not scare away conservative Democrat and independent voters.

A very different scenario than Hillary in 2016.

vetinari wrote:

Can we stop talking about swaying any swing voters? Victory for either side relies on bringing out your supporters to vote. If you're still voting for Trump at this point, there's not much that can happen to change that. I hope Biden wins in November. The big issue as has always been the case is if Democratic voters will turn out in enough numbers. Hopefully they will given that the alternative would be another 4 years of Trump.

It's gonna come down to the debates. I can't believe trump can attack the sexual assault allegation given his own history so I think it just comes down to Biden not looking like a geriatric with dementia or Alzheimer's.