Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

Boom__Boom · 15-03-2019 11:25pm

mystic86 wrote: »

really? never heard of this, what's the message Keane is sending out so, is it a message to both Clifford and the fans that he is very close to a return?

Don't know - Keane already said in an interview during the week that Clifford wasn't far off returning so as I said seems a bit pointless.

Also for the Galway game Mark Ryan from Rathmore was named as number 27.

Bass Reeves · 16-03-2019 12:19am

Delighted to see Morley in at FB. If Keane intends to start Paul Murphy at CB for championship Morley is the only real option at FB especially with Gavin White as an option at WB.

DDC1990 · 16-03-2019 7:31am

Bass Reeves wrote:

Delighted to see Morley in at FB. If Keane intends to start Paul Murphy at CB for championship Morley is the only real option at FB especially with Gavin White as an option at WB.

Sherwood has been one of our most consistent defenders throughout the League. Picked up a little injury against Monaghan so he isn't risked here I imagine.

Sherwood is faster and more physical than Morley.

Tadhg will have to have a couple of storming games to convince me that he is better at Full Back than Sherwood.

mystic86 · 16-03-2019 6:04pm

Selling a spare ticket for tonight, PM if interested, but would have to meet outside pitch in 20 minutes.

Amprodude · 16-03-2019 9:38pm

:-)
Mod: Permabanned.

SecretsOfEarth · 16-03-2019 9:45pm

Amprodude wrote: »

:-)

At least Cork came out in solidarity with us for a rare loss...oh wait.

An Ciarraioch · 16-03-2019 9:57pm

The Division One table:

https://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1107019794895777794

Technically, we could be nudged out on points difference, but Galway aren't exactly high scorers!

munster87 · 16-03-2019 9:57pm

SecretsOfEarth wrote: »

At least Cork came out in solidarity with us for a rare loss...oh wait.

Ha up Cork!

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2019 10:00pm

An Ciarraioch wrote:

Technically, we could be nudged out on points difference, but Galway aren't exactly high scorers!

Is it head to head and then points difference or does points difference come first?

Actual GAA website has Mayo ahead of Galway due to the points difference.

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-03-2019 10:02pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Is it head to head and then points difference or does points difference come first?

Actual GAA website has Mayo ahead of Galway due to the points difference.

Two teams tied it head to head.

Three or more tied and it's scoring difference.

munster87 · 16-03-2019 10:06pm

Roscommon were poor again today by all accounts. Would be nice to get some decent weather for that game and hopefully should be safe enough then. Just from watching on tv, thought Tommy Walsh did well again tonight. Sean O Shea worked hard again and couldn’t blame his efforts from free late on against that wind. I still have doubts about O Beaglaioch but I suppose will have the likes of Gavin White back in awhile. Don’t think Griffin midfield would do either but it’s essential for mobility around the middle and Moran is going to be lacking in that more and more. Tomas O Se looked lively again when he came on, hopefully more to come from him as the year progresses.

SecretsOfEarth · 16-03-2019 10:52pm

Think today won't do us any harm, tempers expectations and gives us more to work on. As dire as we were for large parts, we would have likely gotten a positive result only for the goal (which I know sounds obvious).

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 17-03-2019 12:26am

We were poor for a lot of the Monaghan game as well so this loss is no bad thing at all. Take stock and have a good look at what's going on.

seligehgit · 17-03-2019 11:39am

Laochra Gael Colm Cooper 17.40.

Forge83 · 17-03-2019 12:33pm

munster87 wrote: »

Roscommon were poor again today by all accounts. Would be nice to get some decent weather for that game and hopefully should be safe enough then. Just from watching on tv, thought Tommy Walsh did well again tonight. Sean O Shea worked hard again and couldn’t blame his efforts from free late on against that wind. I still have doubts about O Beaglaioch but I suppose will have the likes of Gavin White back in awhile. Don’t think Griffin midfield would do either but it’s essential for mobility around the middle and Moran is going to be lacking in that more and more. Tomas O Se looked lively again when he came on, hopefully more to come from him as the year progresses.

Mcloughlin cleaned out O Beaglaoich in the first 15/20mins before Tom O Sullivan was switched on him and did a good job. This was the time period we lost the match realistically. Sherwood at full back with Morley at corner a better option. Surprised Jason Foley isn’t been given more game time.
Gavin White should come straight into half back line.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 12:37pm

SecretsOfEarth wrote: »

Think today won't do us any harm, tempers expectations and gives us more to work on. As dire as we were for large parts, we would have likely gotten a positive result only for the goal (which I know sounds obvious).

He wasn't on all that long but that score he got was vintage O'Donoghue. Always a handful

Some asset if he can stay fit.

Dont think ye should be all that worried, mayo were always going to be chomping at the bit and it was fairly horrendous conditions. In a league final anyway barring something extraordinary

acequion · 17-03-2019 12:45pm

I had it on in the car and about 15 mins into the second half it was 7-5 in favour of Kerry. Then I had to go so missed the rest. Couldn't believe when I heard we lost! All the activity must have come in the last 20 mins! And all the scoring too.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 12:55pm

acequion wrote: »

I had it on in the car and about 15 mins into the second half it was 7-5 in favour of Kerry. Then I had to go so missed the rest. Couldn't believe when I heard we lost! All the activity must have come in the last 20 mins! And all the scoring too.

Very strong wind

padd b1975 · 17-03-2019 1:00pm

jr86 wrote: »

Very strong wind

For both halves.

mystic86 · 17-03-2019 6:04pm

Amprodude wrote: »

:-)
Mod: Permabanned.

Between the Kerry game, the Crokes game and the Ireland Rugby game this is probably the only bit of good news this weekend.

ShamoBuc · 17-03-2019 7:38pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Laochra Gael Colm Cooper 17.40.

Great programme, great player.

cms88 · 17-03-2019 8:43pm

After this weekend we might see and end to the calls for Mark Griffin at midfeild and bringing back Buckley as an option there as well

kerry37 · 17-03-2019 8:53pm

cms88 wrote: »

After this weekend we might see and end to the calls for Mark Griffin at midfeild and bringing back Buckley as an option there as well

He doesn't want to play for Kerry. He wasnt put off the panel, he left.

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-03-2019 9:06pm

kerry37 wrote: »

He doesn't want to play for Kerry. He wasnt put off the panel, he left.

It's not so much that he does not want to play for Kerry it's that due to personal circumstances he cannot commit the time to play for Kerry.

Same As · 17-03-2019 9:10pm

cms88 wrote: »

After this weekend we might see and end to the calls for Mark Griffin at midfeild and bringing back Buckley as an option there as well

Johnny is an excellent club midfielder, but was cleaned out today by Daithi Burke, more known for his hurling exploits. Short a yard, and has had his injury troubles too.

I think he'd be a bit of a backward step and we'd be better off trying to nurture someone else into that position.

kerry37 · 17-03-2019 9:15pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It's not so much that he does not want to play for Kerry it's that due to personal circumstances he cannot commit the time to play for Kerry.

Yeah the first part of my post came across badly tbf. 2nd part is the one that matters, he wasnt put off the panel. I suppose maybe "taking time out" would be a better way of putting it.

Bass Reeves · 17-03-2019 9:19pm

The country boy's bate the townies today,

mystic86 · 18-03-2019 1:10pm

Bar a heavy loss against Roscommon (and both Mayo and Galway winning next weekend) our spot in Croker in two weeks time is assured. Important we get the performance back on track though.

50HX · 18-03-2019 3:14pm

Doesn't, hold back does he

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0318/1037064-kerry-are-not-doing-the-dirty-work-it-will-cost-them/

Boom__Boom · 18-03-2019 5:03pm

Same As wrote: »

Johnny is an excellent club midfielder, but was cleaned out today by Daithi Burke, more known for his hurling exploits. Short a yard, and has had his injury troubles too.

I think he'd be a bit of a backward step and we'd be better off trying to nurture someone else into that position.

In fairness Burke is a very fine footballer so I wouldn't be criticising any player too harshly especially given the fact that rest of the Crokes middle eight were so poor as well.

Even beyond his current personal circumstances and his injury bother, he's fierce busy with the family business which takes up a huge chunk of time so I think a return to Kerry was always a very remote possibility.

The fact it was mentioned says more about how unconvincing the rest of the midfield candidates have been, and especially the lack of depth in the position.

Bass Reeves · 18-03-2019 5:29pm

50HX wrote: »

Doesn't, hold back does he

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0318/1037064-kerry-are-not-doing-the-dirty-work-it-will-cost-them/

He is always negative where Kerry football is concerned. Yes we all have concerns about our defence and midfield. Our problem over the last two years was our inability to bring young lads through. We played them in the league and then brought back older players who were not up to it.

I think he has an over analysis on defenders. If I was critical of anything I think Paul Murphy is needed more as a one on one defender rather than as center back. He has the speed football and strength to mark most opponents one on one. I think Donie Buckley will work an awful lot on the defence bit over the next 6-8 weeks.

I am more worried about Midfield rather than out defence. We need to get that platform right to win out later in the year. While a fit Barry and Moran are adequate we need a third player to fill in there. Gavin O'Brien may be a posibility. We also need a player to bring on there with twent minutes to go and I do not think Marc Griffin is the answer

Forge83 · 18-03-2019 7:24pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He is always negative where Kerry football is concerned. Yes we all have concerns about our defence and midfield. Our problem over the last two years was our inability to bring young lads through. We played them in the league and then brought back older players who were not up to it.

I think he has an over analysis on defenders. If I was critical of anything I think Paul Murphy is needed more as a one on one defender rather than as center back. He has the speed football and strength to mark most opponents one on one. I think Donie Buckley will work an awful lot on the defence bit over the next 6-8 weeks.

I am more worried about Midfield rather than out defence. We need to get that platform right to win out later in the year. While a fit Barry and Moran are adequate we need a third player to fill in there. Gavin O'Brien may be a posibility. We also need a player to bring on there with twent minutes to go and I do not think Marc Griffin is the answer

Paul Murphy isnt a physically strong player. Gets bounced regularly by opposing players. He’s a great player but hard to work out where he’s most effective. When man marking he is not providing that massive engine he has for box to box play. When defending as a centre back he is not strong enough to hold that position and stop the opposition running down the middle. As a forward he doesn’t offer that scoring threat required.
100% he is always in the starting 15 but what is his best use?

Bass Reeves · 18-03-2019 7:58pm

Forge83 wrote: »

Paul Murphy isnt a physically strong player. Gets bounced regularly by opposing players. He’s a great player but hard to work out where he’s most effective. When man marking he is not providing that massive engine he has for box to box play. When defending as a centre back he is not strong enough to hold that position and stop the opposition running down the middle. As a forward he doesn’t offer that scoring threat required.
100% he is always in the starting 15 but what is his best use?

I would scarfice the box to box we seem to have plenty of players able to get forward and seem to lack a few real man to man markers.

kerry37 · 22-03-2019 9:42pm

Clifford starts on Sunday. Even though I know Tommy Walsh is playing well, i can't help but feel its completely pointless having all this experience of using the mark effectively when it wont be employed for Championship.

Shane Ryan (Rathmore)
Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
Jack Sherwood (Firies),
Graham O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses),
Gavin Crowley (Templenoe),
Paul Murphy (Rathmore),
Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle),
Jack Barry (Na Gaeil),
Diarmuid O’Connor (Na Gaeil),
Dara Moynihan (Spa),
Seanie O’Shea (Kenmare),
Stephen O’Brien (Kenmare),
Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin),
Tommy Walsh (Kerins O’Rahillys),
David Clifford (Fossa).

Subs: Brian Kelly (Legion), Shane Enright (Tarbert), Tadhg Morley (Templenoe), Jason Foley (Ballydonogue), Brian Ó Beaglaíoch (An Ghaeltacht), Mark Griffin (St Michael’s Foilmore), Gavin O’Brien (Kerins O’Rahillys), Conor Geaney (Dingle), James O’Donoghue (Legion), Jonathan Lyne (Legion), Killian Spillane (Templenoe).

keane2097 · 22-03-2019 9:50pm

kerry37 wrote: »

Clifford starts on Sunday. Even though I know Tommy Walsh is playing well, i can't help but feel its completely pointless having all this experience of using the mark effectively when it wont be employed for Championship.

A full forward capable of catching the ball cleanly out of the sky is extremely potent whether you get a free for it or not.

kerry37 · 22-03-2019 9:55pm

keane2097 wrote: »

A full forward capable of catching the ball cleanly out of the sky is extremely potent whether you get a free for it or not.

100% and I love Tommy so it wasnt a pop at your club man so keep the hair on. I just think that while its effective with the mark, it wont matter a jot in championship when he catches the ball and gets swarmed on landing and possession turned over.

keane2097 · 22-03-2019 10:06pm

kerry37 wrote: »

100% and I love Tommy so it wasnt a pop at your club man so keep the hair on. I just think that while its effective with the mark, it wont matter a jot in championship when he catches the ball and gets swarmed on landing and possession turned over.

You say '100%' but then go on to say the exact opposite of what I said

kerry37 · 22-03-2019 10:17pm

keane2097 wrote: »

A full forward capable of catching the ball cleanly out of the sky is extremely potent.

Agree with this, if they have runners off him and recycle the ball quickly, will be hard with possibly 2 players marking him.

I think you need to get the free for it to be totally effective which players wont get in championship. So I disagree with the 2nd part of your post.

Sorry for any confusion.

munster87 · 22-03-2019 10:44pm

I’d rather Tommy without using the mark anyway. He’s not the most accurate in fairness. The last day instead of taking the kick he quickly played on and set up a great score. I know he’ll be swarmed but if he can start getting it away quick enough...

Forge83 · 23-03-2019 9:38am

kerry37 wrote: »

Clifford starts on Sunday. Even though I know Tommy Walsh is playing well, i can't help but feel its completely pointless having all this experience of using the mark effectively when it wont be employed for Championship.

Shane Ryan (Rathmore)
Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
Jack Sherwood (Firies),
Graham O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses),
Gavin Crowley (Templenoe),
Paul Murphy (Rathmore),
Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle),
Jack Barry (Na Gaeil),
Diarmuid O’Connor (Na Gaeil),
Dara Moynihan (Spa),
Seanie O’Shea (Kenmare),
Stephen O’Brien (Kenmare),
Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin),
Tommy Walsh (Kerins O’Rahillys),
David Clifford (Fossa).

Subs: Brian Kelly (Legion), Shane Enright (Tarbert), Tadhg Morley (Templenoe), Jason Foley (Ballydonogue), Brian Ó Beaglaíoch (An Ghaeltacht), Mark Griffin (St Michael’s Foilmore), Gavin O’Brien (Kerins O’Rahillys), Conor Geaney (Dingle), James O’Donoghue (Legion), Jonathan Lyne (Legion), Killian Spillane (Templenoe).

Looking forward to see how Graham O Sullivan goes. Will it be him or Crowley on Conor Cox I wonder? Cox will be out for a big game to try and prove a point.
Was hoping Jason Foley would get a start also. Strange he’s never been given a game on the wing, he is Kerry’s quickest player.
Ideal game for Clifford to make a come back. The Mayo game we always going to be too physical.

Donald Trumped · 23-03-2019 4:53pm

https://clubifyapp.com/public/articles/26209

Confirmation in the above link that Pat O'Shea has stepped down as Dr Crokes manager.

windy shepard henderson · 24-03-2019 1:36am

few questions lads , would pat o'shea have been a better choice of manager then peter keane , and will keane be looking over his shoulder if things dont work out later on in the year , pat is probably one of the best coach's in the country to be fair what he has done with crokes in the kerry championship alone has been amazing over the last few years

The_Honeybadger · 24-03-2019 2:01am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

few questions lads , would pat o'shea have been a better choice of manager then peter keane , and will keane be looking over his shoulder if things dont work out later on in the year , pat is probably one of the best coach's in the country to be fair what he has done with crokes in the kerry championship alone has been amazing over the last few years

Pat would have been my first choice personally but I have no issue with Peter Keane getting the job.

I think people understand it is a new team and I doubt he will be under any pressure this year unless we tank big time which I don’t see happening. I believe Kerry will make the Super 8’s and will probably qualify for the semis. That would be good progress for me and anything after that is bonus territory.

It takes a couple of years to build up a championship winning team and we are at the beginning of that cycle. This league campaign has been hugely positive but we have a few big holes in the panel at midfield and at the back. I don’t think we are built to win just yet.

mystic86 · 24-03-2019 2:20am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

few questions lads , would pat o'shea have been a better choice of manager then peter keane , and will keane be looking over his shoulder if things dont work out later on in the year , pat is probably one of the best coach's in the country to be fair what he has done with crokes in the kerry championship alone has been amazing over the last few years

That would be some seriously poor governance and leadership by the county board were they to be so unsteady and unsupportive so early in Keane's reign, it's hardly a wet week.

windy shepard henderson · 24-03-2019 2:29am

mystic86 wrote: »

That would be some seriously poor governance and leadership by the county board were they to be so unsteady and unsupportive so early in Keane's reign, it's hardly a wet week.

would they not have offered him the job albeit still involved with crokes last autumn , the second part of the question asks more so about next year rather then this year , i highly doubt bar a disaster altogether that keane will be in charge next year , i doubt though the kerry board would like to see pat available to other counties though.... ie cork

An Ciarraioch · 24-03-2019 4:43pm

Rematch against Mayo confirmed - they beat Monaghan, and Tyrone defeated Galway.

acequion · 24-03-2019 4:59pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

would they not have offered him the job albeit still involved with crokes last autumn , the second part of the question asks more so about next year rather then this year , i highly doubt bar a disaster altogether that keane will be in charge next year , i doubt though the kerry board would like to see pat available to other counties though.... ie cork

Presume there's a typo error above and you mean that you highly doubt that Keane won't be in charge next year??? ie that you expect he will be in charge?

The_Honeybadger · 24-03-2019 5:05pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

would they not have offered him the job albeit still involved with crokes last autumn , the second part of the question asks more so about next year rather then this year , i highly doubt bar a disaster altogether that keane will be in charge next year , i doubt though the kerry board would like to see pat available to other counties though.... ie cork

By all accounts pat didn’t want the job and no point dwelling on it now. If he wants to go off and manage Cork (and I haven’t heard anything to say he does) then off with him it would benefit Kerry enormously if they improve and started to push in Munster again.

On today, I couldn’t make it up but it sounded like a commanding performance on the radio. A rematch with mayo next week is a good outcome. Let’s see what has been learned by the players and management in the two weeks.

Forge83 · 24-03-2019 5:24pm

Listened on the radio. Seemed like Roscommon had no fight in them. Allowed our forwards too much space. Sounded like Kevin Mc picked up a bad injury.Hopefully he won’t be out for too long if so.
O Brien,Walsh,O Shea and Clifford fantastic. Don’t know why Walsh was taken off so early.
Solid games from Graham O Sullivan in the corner and Diarmuid O Connor in midfield.
Paul Geaney and Moran hardly available for spots on the bench next week? Gavin White maybe?

ProudDUB · 24-03-2019 6:27pm

acequion wrote: »

Presume there's a typo error above and you mean that you highly doubt that Keane won't be in charge next year??? ie that you expect he will be in charge?

Ok. Am glad it wasn't just me.

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