Random Running Questions

Huzzah! · 12-03-2019 8:46pm

eyrie wrote: »

ariana` wrote: »

How long in your long run - is there any way you could do it on Friday perhaps or would that throw the rest of the week out too much?

Itziger wrote: »

Could you either bring the LR forward, say to Friday or Saturday or put it off a day or two? A 5k won't do too much damage so you'd be on for a LR - without 'stuff' - a couple of days later.

Thanks both. Bringing it forward is probably be the best option, I might fit it in on Friday although it would mean skipping the tempo I would otherwise be doing then. But I guess it's better to miss the tempo than the long run?

Doing it a few days after the race would throw off the following week too much I think.

Would it be too much to combine the two? 30minute warmup+tempo+30minute cooldown? I’d probably keep it easy myself but it might work for you?

skyblue46 · 12-03-2019 8:55pm

eyrie wrote: »

Question for anyone doing the MSB 5k on Monday, or indeed general thoughts on Monday races: what do you do about your LSR? This isn't a goal race for me so I'm not tapering but I might do a mini taper or easy day or two before the race just so the legs are a little bit fresher. But missing the long run isn't ideal. Any thoughts?

I'm doing MSB and my long run has been dropped from my plan for this week. It must be borne in mind that I raced a half last weekend. My plan is easy run tomorrow, session on Thursday, rest Friday, easy hour on Saturday and shakedown on Sunday.

eyrie · 12-03-2019 11:21pm

Huzzah! wrote: »

Would it be too much to combine the two? 30minute warmup+tempo+30minute cooldown? I’d probably keep it easy myself but it might work for you?

Actually that might work. I'll see how energetic I feel come Friday and decide whether to keep it easy or incorporate the tempo too. Could be manageable though!
The other possibility is to bring the tempo forward to Thursday, long run Friday and easy over the weekend. Only gives me one rest day between sessions (tomorrow) but they're not crazy hard sessions. Might cut back on something all the same, I'll see. Thanks

skyblue46 wrote: »

I'm doing MSB and my long run has been dropped from my plan for this week. It must be borne in mind that I raced a half last weekend. My plan is easy run tomorrow, session on Thursday, rest Friday, easy hour on Saturday and shakedown on Sunday.

Ah well you're fully justified! I've no such excuse to be missing long runs, and I missed one two weeks ago as it is. I'll keep an eye out for you on Monday though

vargoo · 16-03-2019 11:29am

I'm guessing theirs no set answer to this, everyone will be different.

5km, if you have a time in mind, divide by 5 and that's your KM time or go out a bit slower on first Km and make it up after???

RayCun · 16-03-2019 11:51am

Slightly faster on the first and last kms, and aim for ten seconds under your target time

vargoo · 16-03-2019 2:54pm

RayCun wrote: »

Slightly faster on the first and last kms, and aim for ten seconds under your target time

OOh, that's different, I'll give that a go.

Swashbuckler · 16-03-2019 8:55pm

vargoo wrote:

5km, if you have a time in mind, divide by 5 and that's your KM time or go out a bit slower on first Km and make it up after???

Theres no right answer for this. Some people go out hard and hang on. Some people start slower and grow into the race. Which type are you?

thefa · 17-03-2019 11:10am

Doing a team relay in the marathon - both males and females. Any good recommendations for getting team singlets/shirts at a reasonable price?

**Timbuk2** · 17-03-2019 3:38pm

RayCun wrote: »

Slightly faster on the first and last kms, and aim for ten seconds under your target time

Thanks for this. Why do you aim for slightly faster on the first km?

RayCun · 17-03-2019 4:06pm

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

Thanks for this. Why do you aim for slightly faster on the first km?

The first couple of hundred metres of the race will be fast. If you slow down too much in response to that, the second k will be too slow. So accept that you will start fast. If you pass the one k mark a few seconds ahead of pace you are probably going at the right speed at that moment. If you pass the mark at the 'right' time, you are going too slow at that moment.

jamule · 18-03-2019 11:34pm

What to do. Run faster, slow down, pick a ditch.....

(Had problems when AMK passed me on Sunday morning, he must have cursed me)

AuldManKing · 19-03-2019 12:28am

jamule wrote: »

What to do. Run faster, slow down, pick a ditch.....

(Had problems when AMK passed me on Sunday morning, he must have cursed me)

Did you do anything different on the morning of the race?? Or the night before?

Did you do the obligatory 2 poo's before the race

?

jamule · 19-03-2019 9:25am

AuldManKing wrote: »

Did you do anything different on the morning of the race?? Or the night before?

Did you do the obligatory 2 poo's before the race ?

All standard pre race. May have eaten too much the day before but nothing out of the ordinary

TFBubendorfer · 19-03-2019 10:40am

jamule wrote: »

What to do. Run faster, slow down, pick a ditch.....

(Had problems when AMK passed me on Sunday morning, he must have cursed me)

Run faster so you're able to get to a toilet quicker?

It's just one of those things that happen very rarely, but if they happen that really sucks. No real advice - it may have been due to eating too much the day before but it may just have been very bad luck.

P.S. anyone posting THAT picture is asking for a timeout!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-03-2019 10:51am

jamule wrote: »

What to do. Run faster, slow down, pick a ditch.....

Pick a ditch, and always bring loo paper!.

When I started running first it seemed like I was caught short almost every second or turd (lol, sorry) run. It got to a stage where I was struggling to put any distance up because of how frequently I was caught out.

Apart from using the bathroom before going out I tend to avoid coffee in the hours before.

MY BAD · 19-03-2019 4:38pm

Is there an app to convert pace per miles to pace per km? I know most my paces off by heart but there are always a few where you'd be estimating the pace

Swashbuckler · 19-03-2019 4:51pm

Mellow Yellow 26.2 wrote:

Is there an app to convert pace per miles to pace per km? I know most my paces off by heart but there are always a few where you'd be estimating the pace

Pace+ by AvH is by far my favorite. Blue icon with runner symbol in the middle on the play store.

MY BAD · 19-03-2019 5:00pm

Thanks Swashbuckler

What Username Guidelines · 19-03-2019 6:00pm

Zayn Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

Pick a ditch, and always bring loo paper!.

When I started running first it seemed like I was caught short almost every second or turd (lol, sorry) run. It got to a stage where I was struggling to put any distance up because of how frequently I was caught out.

Apart from using the bathroom before going out I tend to avoid coffee in the hours before.

Got caught out last night for the first time, I'm relatively new to running. Got about 1.5km from the house at a 5.45 pace, I usually start fast then settle to just over 6.00, but turned around and got back to the house at about 5.15 pace. my 3km PB.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-03-2019 6:08pm

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Got caught out last night for the first time, I'm relatively new to running. Got about 1.5km from the house at a 5.45 pace, I usually start fast then settle to just over 6.00, but turned around and got back to the house at about 5.15 pace. my 3km PB.

Worst one I got was getting caught short a few hundred meters from The Golf Links pub in Portmarnock, by the time I got to the pub I'd swear I must have looked like Roger Bannister sprinting through the lounge to get to the loo's.

When I came out bathed in sweat and relief all over my face it was fairly obvious to the customers what had happened, laughs were had

dna_leri · 20-03-2019 10:11am

Mellow Yellow 26.2 wrote: »

Is there an app to convert pace per miles to pace per km? I know most my paces off by heart but there are always a few where you'd be estimating the pace

Pace per km = Pace per mile / 1.609

RayCun · 20-03-2019 10:17am

If you have a few anchor points
6 min mile = 3:45/km
8 min mile = 5/km
you can work from there knowing that 10 seconds/km is 16 seconds/mile

chickey2 · 20-03-2019 12:58pm

RayCun wrote: »

If you have a few anchor points
6 min mile = 3:45/km
8 min mile = 5/km
you can work from there knowing that 10 seconds/km is 16 seconds/mile

This reminds me of something I read recently about how you can convert miles and kilometres using the Fibonacci sequence. It totally blew my nerdy mind!
The Fibonacci sequence is basically a sequence of numbers where you add two numbers to get the next, so 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8...
The sequence is, 2,3,5,8,13,21.....
Look familiar? 3 miles is approx 5km, 5 miles is approx 8km and so on. You can use it for numbers in between too https://catonmat.net/fibonacci-miles-kilometers

Or you can just use an app!

6run28 · 21-03-2019 11:02pm

chickey2 wrote: »

This reminds me of something I read recently about how you can convert miles and kilometres using the Fibonacci sequence. It totally blew my nerdy mind!
The Fibonacci sequence is basically a sequence of numbers where you add two numbers to get the next, so 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8...
The sequence is, 2,3,5,8,13,21.....
Look familiar? 3 miles is approx 5km, 5 miles is approx 8km and so on. You can use it for numbers in between too https://catonmat.net/fibonacci-miles-kilometers

Or you can just use an app!

ðŸ˜¯ thats awesome!

skyblue46 · 22-03-2019 11:01pm

5ive wrote: »

Hi all,
Doing Craughwell 10mile on Sunday....got my email there saying no iPods or earphones!! I need me choons!!!
Have never had this rule in a race before-anyone encounter this?
Is it strict or a 'guideline' type thing or what can I do??
Thanks in advance

If it says "no" it's strict not a guideline.

5ive · 22-03-2019 11:20pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

If it says "no" it's strict not a guideline.

Gosh thanks. Very informative. Thanks for sharing your experience.

ReeReeG · 22-03-2019 11:47pm

5ive wrote:

Gosh thanks. Very informative. Thanks for sharing your experience.

The roads don't get fully closed for that race so it's certainly strict in this instance for your own safety.

cjt156 · 23-03-2019 6:48pm

5ive wrote: »

Gosh thanks. Very informative. Thanks for sharing your experience.

What did you expect? Nah, go on sure you're grand, seeing as it's yerself...?

healy1835 · 23-03-2019 7:27pm

Mellow Yellow 26.2 wrote: »

Is there an app to convert pace per miles to pace per km? I know most my paces off by heart but there are always a few where you'd be estimating the pace

http://www.graemestewart.com/running-pace-and-speed-conversion-table/

I'd often have a quick glance at this to remind me of paces before a run......

Zipppy · 24-03-2019 11:40am

Zayn Noisy Phlegm wrote:

When I started running first it seemed like I was caught short almost every second or turd (lol, sorry) run. It got to a stage where I was struggling to put any distance up because of how frequently I was caught out.

Used to happen to me too...your body adjusts quite quickly tho..

5ive · 24-03-2019 3:02pm

cjt156 wrote: »

What did you expect? Nah, go on sure you're grand, seeing as it's yerself...?

Firstly, thanks skyblue46 and 'yerself' for the great responses to my question. Really nice welcome to the athletics forum.

Secondly, it's a shame there wasn't more knowledge behind your comments but as the saying goes, empty vessels really do make the most noise.
After seeing loads of people with headphones before the race I asked one of the organisers about the rule and they said it is a rule in all road races now for insurance purposes but it is not enforced in most races. So you wear them at your own risk.

There you go, it really is a guideline and a case of "ah shur you're grand."

deisedude · 24-03-2019 3:47pm

5ive wrote: »

Firstly, thanks skyblue46 and 'yerself' for the great responses to my question. Really nice welcome to the athletics forum.

Secondly, it's a shame there wasn't more knowledge behind your comments but as the saying goes, empty vessels really do make the most noise.
After seeing loads of people with headphones before the race I asked one of the organisers about the rule and they said it is a rule in all road races now for insurance purposes but it is not enforced in most races. So you wear them at your own risk.

There you go, it really is a guideline and a case of "ah shur you're grand."

Look up cognitive dissonance in the dictionary

Your stupid question got the answer it merited

5ive · 24-03-2019 4:12pm

deisedude wrote: »

Look up cognitive dissonance in the dictionary

Your stupid question got the answer it merited

How was it stupid, oh wise one?

DeepBlue · 24-03-2019 4:31pm

5ive wrote: »

There you go, it really is a guideline and a case of "ah shur you're grand."

Ignoring the primadonna stuff you might get away with wearing your headphones. Equally you might get pulled up on it and denied an official result for your race. Your choice really.

Steve · 24-03-2019 4:40pm

5ive wrote: »

How was it stupid, oh wise one?

You are getting good advice from experienced runners on this forum, I suggest you tone down the attitude a bit.

Actually : Mod note: the above is not a suggestion.

5ive · 24-03-2019 4:40pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

Ignoring the primadonna stuff you might get away with wearing your headphones. Equally you might get pulled up on it and denied an official result for your race. Your choice really.

They'd be pulling up alot of people then, far too many to deny all their results. It's enforced in other countries but not here yet.

5ive · 24-03-2019 4:49pm

Steve wrote: »

You are getting good advice from experienced runners on this forum, I suggest you tone down the attitude a bit.

Actually : Mod note: the above is not a suggestion.

mod snip.

please discuss moderation via pm. thanks.

skyblue46 · 24-03-2019 5:05pm

5ive wrote: »

What good advice is that? I got one decent answer and the rest was textbook keyboard warrior nastiness; that was wrong too by the way.
I'll ban myself don't worry.

I don't see how a simple answer is keyboard warrior stuff but as you'd prefer a longer answer I would be delighted to provide one.

Organisers go to a lot of bother to put on races. They make many simple requests of runners from time to time. They will ask that I wear my number on the front of my vest, that I run on the left hand side of the road, that I don't cut a particular corner on the course or that I don't wear headphones. Out of respect I will do what I am asked. It's as simple as that. An instruction is just that and I feel no need to defy them for my own needs.

healy1835 · 24-03-2019 7:50pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

I don't see how a simple answer is keyboard warrior stuff but as you'd prefer a longer answer I would be delighted to provide one.

Organisers go to a lot of bother to put on races. They make many simple requests of runners from time to time. They will ask that I wear my number on the front of my vest, that I run on the left hand side of the road, that I don't cut a particular corner on the course or that I don't wear headphones. Out of respect I will do what I am asked. It's as simple as that. An instruction is just that and I feel no need to defy them for my own needs.

Don't mind them, they were a sh*%e group anyway......

crisco10 · 25-03-2019 10:56am

chickey2 wrote: »

This reminds me of something I read recently about how you can convert miles and kilometres using the Fibonacci sequence. It totally blew my nerdy mind!
The Fibonacci sequence is basically a sequence of numbers where you add two numbers to get the next, so 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8...
The sequence is, 2,3,5,8,13,21.....
Look familiar? 3 miles is approx 5km, 5 miles is approx 8km and so on. You can use it for numbers in between too https://catonmat.net/fibonacci-miles-kilometers

Or you can just use an app!

I've always found it immensely pleasing that the conversion factor of kilometres to miles is (almost) the Golden Ratio. Another one of those numerical oddities.

Lazare · 25-03-2019 2:08pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

I don't see how a simple answer is keyboard warrior stuff but as you'd prefer a longer answer I would be delighted to provide one.

Organisers go to a lot of bother to put on races. They make many simple requests of runners from time to time. They will ask that I wear my number on the front of my vest, that I run on the left hand side of the road, that I don't cut a particular corner on the course or that I don't wear headphones. Out of respect I will do what I am asked. It's as simple as that. An instruction is just that and I feel no need to defy them for my own needs.

He's banned himself, so he can't hear you. Which is ironic.

Prospector1989 · 26-03-2019 11:22am

Any suggestions for a nice run around Spanish Point (Clare)?. Out there for a wedding and will be staying at the Armada for a few days.

R.F. · 26-03-2019 2:35pm

New to this section, and reading through last couple of pages was surprised to see that headphones are not allowed in some races. Is this a common thing or very rare?

So far (only started running last year) I have never come across it. I only do local road races and fun runs in wicklow and wexford

RayCun · 26-03-2019 2:40pm

R.F. wrote: »

New to this section, and reading through last couple of pages was surprised to see that headphones are not allowed in some races. Is this a common thing or very rare?

It is becoming more common. Runners wearing headphones often can't hear traffic, which is dangerous on open roads. They can't hear instructions from marshalls. They can't hear wheelchairs, ambulances, motorbikes coming behind them. They can't hear other runners overtaking and so veer out in front of them.

(Everyone says they are aware of their surroundings when listening to music, but still all of the above happen regularly)

People often think they need music when they are starting running. Nobody needs music to run. Try a few runs without headphones and you'll see.

Lazare · 26-03-2019 3:00pm

That's true. Pretty much never run with headphones now, always wore them when I started.

Much prefer running without them now.

eyrie · 27-03-2019 10:58am

I'm probably going explain this badly but wondering if anyone has experienced the same thing. For the last 10 days or so I've been finding most of my runs a massive struggle compared to normal. Supposedly "easy" runs in particular - effort much higher, heart rate way up, pace way slower. I feel fine the rest of the time so not sick or anything, just knackered when it comes to running. Also tired muscles in my legs after sessions and long runs, which I never get normally. It feels like just being way less fit all of a sudden, but I didn't think fitness could just randomly drop like that. Sleep and diet both same as normal so no major changes there that would explain it.

Has this ever happened to anyone else? I can't imagine going to my GP with my only symptom being "I'm worse at running than I should be..."

ReeReeG · 27-03-2019 11:01am

eyrie wrote: »

I'm probably going explain this badly but wondering if anyone has experienced the same thing. For the last 10 days or so I've been finding most of my runs a massive struggle compared to normal. Supposedly "easy" runs in particular - effort much higher, heart rate way up, pace way slower. I feel fine the rest of the time so not sick or anything, just knackered when it comes to running. Also tired muscles in my legs after sessions and long runs, which I never get normally. It feels like just being way less fit all of a sudden, but I didn't think fitness could just randomly drop like that. Sleep and diet both same as normal so no major changes there that would explain it.

Has this ever happened to anyone else? I can't imagine going to my GP with my only symptom being "I'm worse at running than I should be..."

As I've been a couple of running books recently, the only other thing that springs to mind (if diet / sleep etc is ok as you say) is "overtraining" which seems to have some of those symptoms. But I wouldn't have thought you were guilty of that, going by Strava...?

RayCun · 27-03-2019 11:03am

Could be low iron levels.

OOnegative · 27-03-2019 11:04am

RayCun wrote: »

Could be low iron levels.

+1, Just about to post the same.

eyrie · 27-03-2019 11:09am

Thanks, I was wondering about iron myself as I've had major issues with this in the past and am definitely prone to it. It felt different previously as I had a lot of dizziness too which I'm not having now, but it might be that all the same. Going to start taking it again and see if that helps. Thanks

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