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Deer population control Pheonix park

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  • 14-04-2019 12:29pm
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    Sheepdish1
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    Hi, just wondering why deer are culled in the Pheonix Park as opposed to neutered?

    I know they are beautiful animals but I’m not looking to start a debate on whether it is right or wrong.

    I’m sure other options were researched and it was decided that this was the best option. They are in a urban area so this would have implacations for herd size as they don’t have as much space as they would have somewhere rural. I wonder would there be health implications for the herd with too many males living in such a restricted area for example?

    Also because the space is shared with humans again I understand that the size needs to be controlled for safety.


    Maybe deer don’t do well under anesthetisia compared to other animals? Or would it have really bad affects on the health of the male as they are a wild animal?

    Thank you


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    eviltwin
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    The cynic in me says there is no money in neutering, the meat is sold when they are culled.

    Seriously though I have no idea. The deer are amazing creatures and I hate the thought of any of them being killed but it's a safety issue


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    Guy:Incognito
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    The cynic in me says there is no money in neutering, the meat is sold when they are culled.

    Who organises it? The opw? How much, as a percentage of the exceuqer, is raised from selling deer meat?

    I have a feeling the countries budget isnt reliant on the money raised from the deer cull.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Time to reintroduce wolves into Ireland deer population out if control they have no predators


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    Graces7
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Time to reintroduce wolves into Ireland deer population out if control they have no predators

    Oh great idea. worse than being shot. They can be fed birth control so yes the meat for money

    Similar set up in Killarney when I was still living on the edge of the park

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/120-deer-shot-in-killarney-as-significant-cull-goes-on-871155.html

    The Inishfallen episode was a total disgrace and negligence.

    The Healy Raes are campaigning for fencing but apparently no road accidents have actually been caused by deer and speeding is a real danger.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Oh great idea. worse than being shot. They can be fed birth control so yes the meat for money

    Can't see the deer's getting the hang of condom's they are tricky enough to get on with hands, be a nightmare with hooves


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    Graces7
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Can't see the deer's getting the hang of condom's they are tricky enough to get on with hands, be a nightmare with hooves

    ????? Birth control as in pills for females!! Some places do it to curb rabbit populations. lol..... I did write " fed"!


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    Guy:Incognito
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Time to reintroduce wolves into Ireland deer population out if control they have no predators

    Then maybe bears to control the wolves?


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    Markcheese
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Then maybe bears to control the wolves?

    Do bears control wolves?
    The first wolf pack in years has just reestablished itself In Holland, I'll see if I can find a link..
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47838162

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    Guy:Incognito
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    Do bears control wolves?
    2

    Dont know. I googled wolves natural predators and it says bears kill wolf Cubs.

    Whatever other dangerous predator for wolves can be subbed in.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Dont know. I googled wolves natural predators and it says bears kill wolf Cubs.

    Whatever other dangerous predator for wolves can be subbed in.

    Lions great way keep wolf population under control


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    Markcheese
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Dont know. I googled wolves natural predators and it says bears kill wolf Cubs.

    Whatever other dangerous predator for wolves can be subbed in.

    I heard one of the problems with trying to reintroduce grey partridge, was very little predators of fox's (and fox Cubs), so the fox's can freely hunt the partridge...
    (pretty sure wolves disappeared in the 1700s,but bears are gone with thousands of years... Probably

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    Charles Ingles
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I heard one of the problems with trying to reintroduce grey partridge, was very little predators of fox's (and fox Cubs), so the fox's can freely hunt the partridge...
    (pretty sure wolves disappeared in the 1700s,but bears are gone with thousands of years... Probably
    Wolves didn't disappear they were hunted to extinction unfortunately


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    Dravokivich
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Wolves didn't disappear they were hunted to extinction unfortunately

    A bit of an odd thing to say. We don't have to deal with wild predators. Which is helpful with large agriculture. Not so much with large vermin though.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    A bit of an odd thing to say. We don't have to deal with wild predators. Which is helpful with large agriculture. Not so much with large vermin though.

    I find them beautiful animals I think it's sad when when men hunt them to extinction.
    Birds of prey have been reintroduced why not wolves?


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    Graces7
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I find them beautiful animals I think it's sad when when men hunt them to extinction.
    Birds of prey have been reintroduced why not wolves?

    There are wolves in Ireland, in secret places in eg Leitrim. One in kerry too.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    There are wolves in Ireland, in secret places in eg Leitrim. One in kerry too.

    Really


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    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    We don't have a deer problem, the deer have a people problem.


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    endacl
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I find them beautiful animals I think it's sad when when men hunt them to extinction.
    Birds of prey have been reintroduced why not wolves?

    Figure out a way to explain to a wolf that wild deer are on the menu but sheep aren’t, and get back to us.


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    gozunda
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    Lennon Kind Sentry wrote: »
    We don't have a deer problem, the deer have a people problem.

    Even if all the people vanished tmrw - natursl increases would result in bigger populations which would outstrip available food supply. Deer populations are normally kept in check by large predators - these dont exist in Irland anymore.

    Personally I see nothing against proper population control through using licenced and permit holding shooters. For existing herds - it helps control inbreeding and overpopulation in restricted areas especially and prevents animals from starving and dying in large numbers during the winter.


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    Del2005
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    Lennon Kind Sentry wrote: »
    We don't have a deer problem, the deer have a people problem.

    We do have a deer problem in multiple locations. Deer are a prey animal so need predators to keep their numbers in check by removing the weak, otherwise the whole population suffers from overpopulation and end up starving to death. We have removed the predators so we need to control the population now.


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    Charles Ingles
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    endacl wrote: »
    Figure out a way to explain to a wolf that wild deer are on the menu but sheep aren’t, and get back to us.

    Farmers could take sheep in at nighttime or get them karate lessons


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    Markcheese
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    The French are paying compensation to farmers who's animals are injured or killed, if they take measures to reduce attacks, (fencing, guard dogs Ect) none of which would prevent a pack of hungry wolves, but they usually go after wild prey...

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    Guy:Incognito
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    endacl wrote: »
    Figure out a way to explain to a wolf that wild deer are on the menu but sheep aren’t, and get back to us.

    and kids......


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    Charles Ingles
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    endacl wrote: »
    Figure out a way to explain to a wolf that wild deer are on the menu but sheep aren’t, and get back to us.

    Consent classes?


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    Cherry Blossom
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    Charles Ingles, unless you have something sensible to add to the conversation don't post in this thread again.


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    Charles Ingles
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    Cherry Blossom wrote: »
    Charles Ingles, unless you have something sensible to add to the conversation don't post in this thread again.

    Fair enough
    Started out with the genuine suggestion of reintroduction of wolves to control wild deer population, still think it's a good idea and has been test cases in Europe.
    Sorry for acting the maggot I do think it's a serious issue


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    grassroot1
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    The way the deer are culled in the park is selective weaker,older and females past breeding as well as bucks with inferior genetics.
    The deer are a food source and should end up in the food chain.
    Sentimentality is of no use to an animal who starves to death.
    Whether you agree with the methods used or not death by a rifle bullet leads to a lot less suffering.


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    Markcheese
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    and kids......

    How many kids around Europe are attacked by dogs each year, and how many by wolves...?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    kylith
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    I would imagine that there are issues with sterilisation due to logistics and cost (tranquilising, transporting to vet, operation, making sure animal wakes up, transporting back, post operative monitering, all on an animal that very easily dies of stress), and oral contraceptives would be difficult to efficiently administer; how often would it need to be administered? How would you make sure that the right deer gets its dose consistently?

    Unfortunately culling is probably the only way that logistically makes sense. IIRC a lot of the meat goes to the zoo for the animals.


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    tk123
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    kylith wrote: »
    IIRC a lot of the meat goes to the zoo for the animals.

    It''s sold to a game dealer for something like €96 per carcass - I remember it being just under €100 and being :eek: when they were talking about it on the radio because I pay €5 per kg of venison chunks for the dogs! The sniper was on talking about it - they have a sniper do it because if they shot the deer say in the leg and wasn't killed he'd release testosterone and spoil the meat.


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