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Income Tax death

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  • 20-04-2019 6:42pm
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    JansheerKahn
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭


    Mr A Case 1 sole trade for 20 years dies on 1 March in a year of assessment.
    A specific provision in the accounts of €200,000 which has obviously reduced tax year on year as it was incrementally provided for over a number of years (bona fide provision and would stand up to scrutiny).
    On death, in the cessation accounts, is this provision wrote back for tax purposes or what happens?


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    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Allinall


    JansheerKahn wrote: »
    Mr A Case 1 sole trade for 20 years dies on 1 March in a year of assessment.
    A specific provision in the accounts of €200,000 which has obviously reduced tax year on year as it was incrementally provided for over a number of years (bona fide provision and would stand up to scrutiny).
    On death, in the cessation accounts, is this provision wrote back for tax purposes or what happens?

    Provision for what?


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    JansheerKahn
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭JansheerKahn


    Allinall wrote: »
    Provision for what?

    Doesnt matter - take it as allowable for tax. A provision for a cost that is w & e for trade and will crystalise at a future date


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    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Allinall


    JansheerKahn wrote: »
    Doesnt matter - take it as allowable for tax. A provision for a cost that is w & e for trade and will crystalise at a future date

    It absolutely matters.

    Provisions are generally not allowed for tax purposes. Expenses need to be incurred. Eg. provision for bad debts is not allowable.


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    JansheerKahn
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭JansheerKahn


    Allinall wrote: »
    It absolutely matters.

    Provisions are generally not allowed for tax purposes. Expenses need to be incurred. Eg. provision for bad debts is not allowable.

    They are if specific. Like i said this is allowable.


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    marizpan
    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭marizpan


    Is Mr A married?
    Will the spouse take the case l after death?
    I would have thought that the specific provision would crystallise on cessation for tax purposes, as that should reflect reality


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    Synode
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    How can a provision be incrementally provided for but then not crystallise. Doesn't make much sense to me. If your providing for something, it should happen soon after. Otherwise it's not allowable


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    JansheerKahn
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭JansheerKahn


    Synode wrote: »
    How can a provision be incrementally provided for but then not crystallise. Doesn't make much sense to me. If your providing for something, it should happen soon after. Otherwise it's not allowable

    Very common commercially, for example providing for restoration of land after a quarry reaches end of useful life. Could be 30 years in future. You would provide annually to match revenues with costs.


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    JansheerKahn
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭JansheerKahn


    marizpan wrote: »
    Is Mr A married?
    Will the spouse take the case l after death?
    I would have thought that the specific provision would crystallise on cessation for tax purposes, as that should reflect reality

    Not married so no Revenue concession applicable.
    Presume intestate and Succession Act applies so passing to children and thus full cessation.
    What legislative provision would dictate the provision be wrote back - Section 81?


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    Synode
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    JansheerKahn wrote: »
    Very common commercially, for example providing for restoration of land after a quarry reaches end of useful life. Could be 30 years in future. You would provide annually to match revenues with costs.

    In that case, once the event is no longer likely to occur (which I'm assuming in this case) then the provision should reverse


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    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    In the case of a quarry it might be sold with a sinking fund representing the accumulated dilapidations provision. This would be a crystallisation if the accumulated provision for accounting purposes. This would be the starting point for the Sch d case I computation.


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