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€250 charge to remove coffin handles before cremations (5 Minute Job with a cordless)

  • 13-03-2009 8:20pm
    #1
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.

    Glasnevin Cemeteries Group has denied imposing a "hidden charge", explaining that the fee covers the cost of being environmentally friendly.

    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.

    In future bring your own cordless and remove them yourself and save the €250.:)

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/relatives-charged-euro250-for-removal-of-coffin-handles-1671955.html


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  • #2
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Everyone, I'll do it for a mere €150


  • #3
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    bloody hell. Thats some price


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    do they re-use the handles on another coffin??


  • #5
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Deleted User wrote: »
    do they re-use the handles on another coffin??
    Im sure they do, that would be the "recycling" part of it. Someone should mark coffin handles and wreaths and see if they end up back in the undertakers showroom. :eek:

    You would not get too much change out of €50 from a wreath.


  • #6
    junkyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭junkyard


    Most coffin handles I use are plastic, not only that but the type of coffin used for cremations doesn't have handles they're creamation friendly so to speak.


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  • #7
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.

    Glasnevin Cemeteries Group has denied imposing a "hidden charge", explaining that the fee covers the cost of being environmentally friendly.

    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.

    In future bring your own cordless and remove them yourself and save the €250.:)

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/relatives-charged-euro250-for-removal-of-coffin-handles-1671955.html

    Its not the labour you're being charged for, its the insurance and shot gun rental, in case of zombie attack.


  • #8
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    junkyard wrote: »
    Most coffin handles I use are plastic, not only that but the type of coffin used for cremations doesn't have handles they're creamation friendly so to speak.
    Some do, but are VERY light and not worth removing for the amount of plastic that goes up in smoke.


  • #9
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    MOVED TO DUBLIN CITY FORUM.






    .... just kidding :o


  • #10
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Good grief, i am so undervalued as a Joiner.:eek:


  • #11
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.

    Glasnevin Cemeteries Group has denied imposing a "hidden charge", explaining that the fee covers the cost of being environmentally friendly.

    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.

    In future bring your own cordless and remove them yourself and save the €250.:)

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/relatives-charged-euro250-for-removal-of-coffin-handles-1671955.html

    Whadda facking libertaay!


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  • #12
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.

    Glasnevin Cemeteries Group has denied imposing a "hidden charge", explaining that the fee covers the cost of being environmentally friendly.

    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.

    In future bring your own cordless and remove them yourself and save the €250.:)

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/relatives-charged-euro250-for-removal-of-coffin-handles-1671955.html

    I don't know why you have an issue with this.

    You are worse than the Herald, misleading etc. If you read the article you will find the cemetary gets an outside contractor to do this work. Should they do it for free? Should they not make a profit? Are they not a business? Really, RtDH, you need to spend less time stirring sh1t and more time polishing your tinfoil.


  • #13
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    anyone see pauline fowlers wicker casket?

    http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/312229/pics-wendy-richard-funeral.html


  • #14
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.


    If the body is going to be cremated, why not just ask them to leave off the handles in the first place!

    Alternatively, why not put painted wooden handles on coffins destined for cremation?

    Or, just don't burn perfectly good coffins (use some sort of cheap wooden insert).

    The whole undertaker business is a bit of a scam:(


  • #15
    nowye'retalkin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35 ✭nowye'retalkin


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dublin's biggest cemetery firm has defended charging bereaved families €250 to remove handles from coffins before cremations.

    Glasnevin Cemeteries Group has denied imposing a "hidden charge", explaining that the fee covers the cost of being environmentally friendly.

    Coffin Handles are just for show and are NEVER used to lift the casket, they are made of "gold" plated pewter or plastic.

    In future bring your own cordless and remove them yourself and save the €250.:)

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/relatives-charged-euro250-for-removal-of-coffin-handles-1671955.html

    Who really give a flying Hoot! I like Hoot!


  • #16
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    anyone see pauline fowlers wicker casket?

    Is Pauline dead? Did Mark and Michelle turn up for the funeral? (Sorry for going off topic; I might start a thread)


  • #17
    994
    Closed Accounts Posts: 911 ✭✭✭994


    I'll do cremations for a tenner. Nine litres of petrol, one match. Done.


  • #18
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    994 wrote: »
    I'll do cremations for a tenner. Nine litres of petrol, one match. Done.

    I wish to pursue a contract with you where I get 9 litres of petrol and a match for a tenner when I wish.


  • #19
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    I don't know why you have an issue with this.

    You are worse than the Herald, misleading etc. If you read the article you will find the cemetary gets an outside contractor to do this work. Should they do it for free? Should they not make a profit? Are they not a business? Really, RtDH, you need to spend less time stirring sh1t and more time polishing your tinfoil.

    You're having a laugh right? They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and claimed they outsourced the work. Why would they outsource a job that involves removing a few screws to a company charging €250? Wheres the business sense in that?

    At the end of the day I'd be the last to get outraged as people need to realise that you can't let yourself get screwed because your in mourning but you cant believe what they're claiming is true?!


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ec4z4g0Mw


  • #21
    Irishpimpdude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭Irishpimpdude


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    I wish to pursue a contract with you where I get 9 litres of petrol and a match for a tenner when I wish.

    9 Litres of petrol at 102.9 = 9.26 , pack of matches 20c , look on your face when u see the body burn.... priceless :-)


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  • #22
    Traditional
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Traditional


    sure every thing is re useable even the coffins , they go out the back door , u can buy used ones in the buy & sell


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    €250 :eek:, that's unreal, I'm in the wrong job.


  • #24
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,124 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Traditional wrote: »
    sure every thing is re useable even the coffins , they go out the back door , u can buy used ones in the buy & sell

    They even re-use the bodies, some bolted to the FF seats in The Dáil, and the rest in various shop windows all around the country.


  • #25
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭latenia


    Undertakers are shameless thieving scummers.


  • #26
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,148 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    latenia wrote: »
    Undertakers are shameless thieving scummers.
    What guarantee do we have they arent robbing the caskets before packing on the soil?


  • #27
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,124 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Overheal wrote: »
    What guarantee do we have they arent robbing the caskets before packing on the soil?

    I'm having grenades in mine, with the pins attached to the lid.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    They even re-use the bodies, some bolted to the FF seats in The Dáil, and the rest in various shop windows all around the country.

    http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/797546?view=synopsis
    101 THINGS...: 101 THINGS TO DO WITH A DEAD BODY

    Library Synopsis

    "Reveals the stories behind the greatest age difference between a bride and groom, a New Orleans necrophiliac's night-time visits to local tombs, what was on the morgue mortician's menu and the man who uses corpse skin to enhance his patients' manhoods". @Channel 4 publicity



  • #29
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,124 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Deleted User wrote: »
    http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/797546?view=synopsis

    I bet there was a lot of corpsing in that..:P


  • #30
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    How do we know they are actually cremating the bodies?

    I heard a rumour that a small green wafer which is advertised as being produced from "high-energy plankton" is actually these bodies


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  • #31
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,124 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    How do we know they are actually cremating the bodies?

    I heard a rumour that a small green wafer which is advertised as being produced from "high-energy plankton" is actually these bodies

    They sell those in SuperValu - "Real food - real people" *






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  • #32
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Good grief, i am so undervalued as a Joiner.:eek:

    :D:D:D

    I think the undertakers should get a handle on this before more people are ripped off!


  • #33
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Chippy in an undertakers. e250 for five minutes work removing about 2 dozen spax screws, an average of two to three stiffs passing through a day, thats handy cash, and its recession proof. :).


  • #34
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,124 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Chippy in an undertakers. e250 for five minutes work removing about 2 dozen spax screws, an average of two to three stiffs passing through a day, thats handy cash, and its recession proof. :).

    You have a way with words. Have you ever thought about becoming a bereavement counsellor? :pac:


  • #35
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    You have a way with words. Have you ever thought about becoming a bereavement counsellor? :pac:
    Dublin Bus is just as bad, passenger count to this day is still referred to as "skulls". :pac:


  • #36
    mumhaabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭mumhaabu


    At a family funeral once I went to lift the coffin and caught the handle only for it to break right off, to make matters worse my cousin on the opposite end did the same with similar results, thus our great uncle got a bit of slam down as the coffin fell down about a foot back onto the stand and were it not for the immediate rush from the family it would have capsized leading to calamity. We then had to shoulder it which (weighed an absolute tonne) with two plasticy stubs where the handles were.

    There should be real handles not that crap, I'd pay the €250 for it when my time comes. These handles are buried with the coffin all the as are the guard so Environmentalism goes straight out the window there.


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  • #37
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    mumhaabu wrote: »
    I'd pay the 250 for it when my time comes.
    Em how would you plan on paying when yer dead


  • #38
    mumhaabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭mumhaabu


    seanybiker wrote: »
    Em how would you plan on paying when yer dead

    I will have ensured it is looked after with my estate by my legal team. It will be one of my instructions. Hopefully I shall not have to worry and with a bit of luck I should have several decades before it happens. Who knows they might be using one of those Fr. Ted like coffins when my time swings around.


  • #39
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    biko wrote: »
    Everyone, I'll do it for a mere €150

    Fcuk it I'd do it for 50 quid. Jeasus I could quit the job with all the folk dying these days :D


  • #40
    gazzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭gazzer


    My family had experience of this coffin handle rip off last month when we were arranging my aunts cremation. On picking the coffin we liked we were told that because of the handles on the coffin there would be a charge to remove them prior to the cremation. When we asked that we get to keep the handles after removal (just so our mind was at ease that they were not used on another coffin) we were told that it wasnt possible.


  • #41
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    gazzer wrote: »
    My family had experience of this coffin handle rip off last month when we were arranging my aunts cremation. On picking the coffin we liked we were told that because of the handles on the coffin there would be a charge to remove them prior to the cremation. When we asked that we get to keep the handles after removal (just so our mind was at ease that they were not used on another coffin) we were told that it wasnt possible.

    There is probably only one single set of coffin handles in all of Dublin & these guys just keep selling them twice, once to put on then once more to take off and so on with the next family.


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  • #42
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    How do we know they are actually cremating the bodies?

    Good question


  • #43
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    backrower8 wrote: »
    The primary purpose of the €250 charge is to deter the use of metal and plastic handles on coffins for cremation for the environmental reasons outlined. Glasnevin Trust would prefer not to have to apply the charge but a small minority of people (less than 3% of cremations) still decide to use plastic or metal handles.
    backrower8 wrote: »
    The use of a deterrent charge has been a very successful measure resulting in less than 3% of cremations now using metal and plastic handles.

    What right is it of yours to try to dictate what people use ?

    Why not allow them to use what materials they prefer and then if they do need to be removed prior to cremation charge them a reasonable amount.
    backrower8 wrote: »
    A secondary reason for the charge is the contribution they make to the additional costs of disposing of the metal and plastic handles when they are used on coffins for cremation. These additional costs are mainly related to the disposal of the handles by outside contractors, as well as to Glasnevin Trust’s own internal resources in managing the process of readying the handles for responsible disposal.

    Why not give the bereaved families the option of keeping the handles as a keepsake, or, let them dispose of them without the 'Trust's overhead for the internal resources in managing the process of readying the handles for responsible disposal' ?


  • #44
    MaybeLogic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    latenia wrote: »
    Undertakers are shameless thieving scummers.

    They're not all bad.
    Friend of mine is an undertaker.Lovely fella,always ready to give you a dig-out and he'd be the last man to put you down.


  • #45
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    They're not all bad.
    Friend of mine is an undertaker.Lovely fella,always ready to give you a dig-out and he'd be the last man to put you down.

    This whole thread reminds me of Donny's burial scene in The big lebowski


  • #46
    ronaneire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭ronaneire


    backrower8 wrote: »
    Hello


    I should have seen this conversation and addressed it last March but I did not.

    No as you only joined today?

    But why the outrageous cost of €250 to remove a few handles? Or is it to pay for the new equipment installed in 2000/2001?


  • #47
    Super Sidious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    Still €250 is a shocking amount to charge for such a menial task... funerals are already hugely expensive, and its one of those times in life were you are not going to "haggle", you just put up the money! I suppose some things will never change, screwing people for as much as you can get out of them, at a very vunerable time.

    I understand your there to make a living and a profit, but to use a large amount of money as a deterent to people selecting a coffin for their loved ones is still horrible!


  • #48
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    They sell those in SuperValu - "Real food - real people" *






    *Royalty free repeat.

    Haha! I almost soylent myself laughing at that.


  • #49
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    It's way too much to pay.

    Anyone feels like talking abou it further can go here.


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