Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Elmo · 21-10-2020 2:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Then they’re not doing their job, and a performance review would expose that.

I believe the BAI carry out that review and it concluded they needed 30million a year extra.

21-10-2020 7:10pm

Elmo wrote: »

I believe the BAI carry out that review and it concluded they needed 30million a year extra.

I’m talking about a review of people’s individual performance against a set of agreed objectives for the year. For my entire time in management, which is 35years, I have sat with my boss as part of a cycle of regular (usually quarterly) meetings solely to discuss how I’m getting on with delivering the objectives we have agreed before the year starts. And not just how I’m doing, but how I’m doing it - behaviours counted as well. I won’t go on and explain management by objectives to you.

No regulator of my sector, either financial or safety, would come into any organisation I have worked in and said - ah, you need €30m more.

I’m not talking about a draconian system. It’s simply about asking people to do their job, explaining clearly what you want of them and then monitoring the situation, taking steps to overcome any problems.

It sounds like RTE put their begging bowl front and centre, and the shortly to be disbanded BAI told them they needed more money.

I’d not looked at the BAI website before just now. They’re finished anyway, but they are - quite rightly in my view, because nobody knows the timescale for their demise/replacement (as usual!) - consulting on their three year strategy 2021 - 2023. It follows on from the previous strategy which ran 2017 - 2019. I guess they just forgot about 2020. It doesn’t fill you with a warm and fuzzy feeling about their paying full attention to their role, does it?

Elmo · 21-10-2020 8:27pm

reflects the BAI’s expected role in leading and influencing change and transforming itself as an organisation for integration into the new Media Commission

Michael O’Keeffe
CEO - IRTC (1988 - 2001) Irish Radio and Television Commission
CEO - BCI (2001 - 2009) Broadcasting Commission of Ireland
CEO - BAI (2009 - 20--) Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (Replacing both the RTÉ Authority and the BCI)

He might just make The Media Commission, though he's due for retirement.

The IRTC isn't going anywhere its just being rebranded, again.

21-10-2020 8:53pm

Elmo wrote: »

Michael O’Keeffe
CEO - IRTC (1988 - 2001) Irish Radio and Television Commission
CEO - BCI (2001 - 2009) Broadcasting Commission of Ireland
CEO - BAI (2009 - 20--) Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (Replacing both the RTÉ Authority and the BCI)

He might just make The Media Commission, though he's due for retirement.

The IRTC isn't going anywhere its just being rebranded, again.

He’s obviously a survivor. That’s one steady career path.

I see it took him nine years to agree his contract. I thought the CEO of such an institution could only get a seven year term.

elperello · 21-10-2020 9:33pm

Elmo wrote: »

Thanks! you're being very general. You not giving any real idea of your position, and its a very, very general position.

Lets have some conjecture, I have followed this I would be surprised if the Future of Media does anything major.

Do you think RTÉ are currently doing a good job?

Simple question the RTÉ News Channel what do you think of its rebrand from RTÉ News Now, did they do a good job?

Again, you are entitled to your assessment of my posts.

As I said I'd rather avoid speculation.

If you asked me to mark RTE's report card I'd say could do better.

Not really interested in dissecting the minutiae of how to run a broadcasting organisation but if you insist I think the News Channel is ok for my needs.

Elmo · 21-10-2020 10:52pm

elperello wrote: »

If you asked me to mark RTE's report card I'd say could do better.

Not really interested in dissecting the minutiae of how to run a broadcasting organisation but if you insist I think the News Channel is ok for my needs.

That's find "could do better" is an opinion.

So the News Channel is just "ok" for your needs. I am just trying to form a conversation.

So over all RTÉ need to do better, which largely speaking almost everyone here agrees with. Some will have over expectations and other will have under expectations. While other think RTÉ is doing a good job. All of that is fine.

You should not have a problem examine or dissecting what RTÉ do, or what anyone does.

Personally I think the RTÉ News Channel is badly presented, the screens around the squashy vision repeated programmes is unnecessary. I don't think they should spend millions on a news channel, but what they have produced is a mockery of any television viewer. But that's just an opinion.

I believe that RTÉ are wasting money hand over fist. 25million per year on imports an increase of 3million in 2018, decreased children's content by 3m the same year, I don't think they know what Public Service Broadcasting is. But just opinions, opinions I am happy to change.

Open the Pubs · 22-10-2020 1:08pm

www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/rte-apologises-to-declan-ganley-over-prime-time-programme-he-claimed-linked-him-to-death-of-albanian-businessman-39655358.html

Another large settlement payout and apology by RTE in the High Court this morning.This is where taxpayers money is going folks. It doesn't say who covered the large legal costs either likely RTE.

RTE have defamed so many people now I've lost track. They are not fit for purpose and consistently peddle fake news and libel those who don't play along with their political agenda..

fritzelly · 22-10-2020 3:16pm

#truthmatters

Kivaro · 22-10-2020 6:02pm

Open the Pubs wrote: »

www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/rte-apologises-to-declan-ganley-over-prime-time-programme-he-claimed-linked-him-to-death-of-albanian-businessman-39655358.html

Another large settlement payout and apology by RTE in the High Court this morning.This is where taxpayers money is going folks. It doesn't say who covered the large legal costs either likely RTE.

RTE have defamed so many people now I've lost track. They are not fit for purpose and consistently peddle fake news and libel those who don't play along with their political agenda..

RTE do not care because we are picking up on the tab on that settlement, as we will be doing on all future court settlements too.
Don't forget that "Integrity matters" and "Trust matters" ..... oh, the irony when it comes to RTE.

rdwight · 22-10-2020 9:06pm

rdwight wrote: »

Second half just starting in streamed Champions League game. Nary an ad except quick sponsor flash and RTE competition during half time. Apart from analysis "Programme Resumes Shortly" displayed all through half time.

wtf, Dee. PSG v. Man Utd not attracting enough viewers to sell advertising?

Second half just starting in streamed Europa League game. Ten ads during half time and no sign of a Virgin equivalent of "Fann Linn" screen. Easier to sell ads for Celtic v AC Milan than Man U game?

I'm still mystified as to what RTE are up to to.

fritzelly · 22-10-2020 9:54pm

^^^^
And VM don't have a rake of ads for their own shows either

garrettod · 23-10-2020 2:07am

RTÉ expects financial results to be better than feared

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1022/1173309-rte-financial-results/

So, Dee playing the poor mouth didn't get her a big blank cheque a few months back, and now she's had to come clean and admit that the finances aren't as bad as she thought they were going to be....

But don't worry, Dee has a plan, she's now going to pay staff increments with the money that she's found - way to go Dee!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Kivaro · 23-10-2020 9:26am

garrettod wrote: »

RTÉ expects financial results to be better than feared

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1022/1173309-rte-financial-results/

So, Dee playing the poor mouth didn't get her a big blank cheque a few months back, and now she's had to come clean and admit that the finances aren't as bad as she thought they were going to be....

But don't worry, Dee has a plan, she's now going to pay staff increments with the money that she's found - way to go Dee!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Bunch of chancers at RTE ........... with no real oversight.

Maysa07 · 23-10-2020 10:05am

garrettod wrote: »

RTÉ expects financial results to be better than feared

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1022/1173309-rte-financial-results/

So, Dee playing the poor mouth didn't get her a big blank cheque a few months back, and now she's had to come clean and admit that the finances aren't as bad as she thought they were going to be....

But don't worry, Dee has a plan, she's now going to pay staff increments with the money that she's found - way to go Dee!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yes, staff increments that were illegally withheld, i might add. The "Money she found" you say, will pay for 60-70 voluntary redundancy. Cutting staff is essential for RTE going forward, However, I fear they might hire with the other hand.

23-10-2020 10:24am

Insisting on being paid increments, even if they are contracted, during a major recession and pandemic with hundreds of thousands on short time or no time at all, just smacks of entitlement to me. We’re all in this together. Not.

Maysa07 · 23-10-2020 10:47am

So you agree with RTE to stop the ordinary joe staff member a little increment.
And they have been criticised for sneaking in "inability to pay" clause in employment contracts, All this was done unilateral and the IRT ruled that it was wrong. Not everyone in RTE are massive salaries!
I would guess most staff are on the top of their grades anyway, and this would only affect a minority of staff.
It's a little victory for the TUG.

Elmo · 23-10-2020 10:56am

elperello wrote: »

I prefer not to prejudge the outcome and base a lot of conjecture on something that may not happen.

She said RTÉ cannot return to a stable financial position or make the investments it needs if the TV licence system is not reformed, and she said the establishment of the new Future of Media Commission , which looks at media funding, is a welcome development.

I would never prejudge anything either. Fortunately RTÉ are only to happy to wait for their increase revenue from the new reformed license fee rather than reforming RTÉ.

You could say that the Commission has not be set up to increase the revenues of RTÉ and such prejudgments are pure conjecture.

elperello · 23-10-2020 1:33pm

Elmo wrote: »

I would never prejudge anything either. Fortunately RTÉ are only to happy to wait for their increase revenue from the new reformed license fee rather than reforming RTÉ.

You could say that the Commission has not be set up to increase the revenues of RTÉ and such prejudgments are pure conjecture.

My own preference is to remove the licence fee entirely and fund public broadcasting from direct taxation.

This would end the collection and enforcement expense and everyone would pay a small share of the cost.

Of course this assumes that public broadcasting is something worth having and is of benefit to the citizens.

ligerdub · 23-10-2020 3:03pm

elperello wrote: »

My own preference is to remove the licence fee entirely and fund public broadcasting from direct taxation.

This would end the collection and enforcement expense and everyone would pay a small share of the cost.

Of course this assumes that public broadcasting is something worth having and is of benefit to the citizens.

I respect your view but at this point in time I would consider it to be detrimental to society at the moment rather than a benefit. It is an outdated model at this stage.

Kivaro · 23-10-2020 4:13pm

elperello wrote: »

My own preference is to remove the licence fee entirely and fund public broadcasting from direct taxation.

And this is exactly what RTE want; an open cheque book in the form of direct taxation. If we think that there is no accountability now at RTE, imagine if they get their funding through direct taxes? And it would further erode the national broadcaster's ability to question or investigate inappropriate government behaviour ..... as they will never bite the hand that feeds them.
Not that they are holding the government to account now e.g. RTE's Covid coverage.

McHardcore · 23-10-2020 5:01pm

elperello wrote: »

My own preference is to remove the licence fee entirely and fund public broadcasting from direct taxation.

This would end the collection and enforcement expense and everyone would pay a small share of the cost.

Of course this assumes that public broadcasting is something worth having and is of benefit to the citizens.

This makes the most sense. If we are agreed that public broadcasting is beneficial to a country, then it should be paid for by taxes, the same as other public services.

rdwight · 23-10-2020 6:05pm

rdwight wrote: »

Second half just starting in streamed Champions League game. Nary an ad except quick sponsor flash and RTE competition during half time. Apart from analysis "Programme Resumes Shortly" displayed all through half time.

wtf, Dee. PSG v. Man Utd not attracting enough viewers to sell advertising?

rdwight wrote: »

Second half just starting in streamed Europa League game. Ten ads during half time and no sign of a Virgin equivalent of "Fann Linn" screen. Easier to sell ads for Celtic v AC Milan than Man U game?

I'm still mystified as to what RTE are up to to.

Second half just starting in streamed Ukraine v Ireland Womens 2022 Europeam qualifer. Nary an ad during half time. Apart from analysis "Rte 2 Programme Resumes Shortly" displayed all through half time.

I'm still mystified as to what RTE are up to to.

Elmo · 23-10-2020 7:21pm

elperello wrote: »

My own preference is to remove the licence fee entirely and fund public broadcasting from direct taxation.

This would end the collection and enforcement expense and everyone would pay a small share of the cost.

Of course this assumes that public broadcasting is something worth having and is of benefit to the citizens.

As I say elperello and have being saying I agree with the License Fee, but if I was in RTÉ I would not think the new system will or should increase my income. And I would not be waiting 10 years for the change to take place. (Yes there have been several times over the last decade the collection method has been raised).

In terms of collection I would rather it was regulated by ComReg and the BAI with the fund being added to telephony, broadband, pay content/TV bills. At the end of the year the public would be advised as to how much they paid into the Licence fee, I suspect less than €80 in most cases. This could be part of VAT, however businesses would not be able to reclaim this portion of VAT.

But even if my idea was adopted or yours or anyone else's it still remains that RTÉ are aloof from the realities of their situation and their audience.

In 2019 RTÉ spend just €3.2m on Independent Drama and Comedy (which included The Tommy Teirnan Show)
In 2019 RTÉ spent just €3.5m on Children's Content.

These are two of RTÉ's core objectives for their 2020/2024 strategy!

Elmo · 23-10-2020 7:25pm

rdwight wrote: »

Second half just starting in streamed Ukraine v Ireland Womens 2022 Europeam qualifer. Nary an ad during half time. Apart from analysis "Rte 2 Programme Resumes Shortly" displayed all through half time.

I'm still mystified as to what RTE are up to to.

Any reply from RTÉ?

rdwight · 23-10-2020 9:13pm

Elmo wrote: »

Any reply from RTÉ?

I haven't contacted them. I was more hopeful of a commonsensical answer here than possible obfuscation from them.

elperello · 24-10-2020 10:07pm

ligerdub wrote: »

I respect your view but at this point in time I would consider it to be detrimental to society at the moment rather than a benefit. It is an outdated model at this stage.

I think there is a future for a Public Broadcasting Service. All we need to do is decide what form we want that to take and fund it.

Kivaro wrote: »

And this is exactly what RTE want; an open cheque book in the form of direct taxation. If we think that there is no accountability now at RTE, imagine if they get their funding through direct taxes? And it would further erode the national broadcaster's ability to question or investigate inappropriate government behaviour ..... as they will never bite the hand that feeds them.
Not that they are holding the government to account now e.g. RTE's Covid coverage.

I don't recommend "an open cheque book". There would be a requirement to put in place the necessary financial controls. Editorial integrity could be protected too.

Elmo wrote: »

As I say elperello and have being saying I agree with the License Fee, but if I was in RTÉ I would not think the new system will or should increase my income. And I would not be waiting 10 years for the change to take place. (Yes there have been several times over the last decade the collection method has been raised).

In terms of collection I would rather it was regulated by ComReg and the BAI with the fund being added to telephony, broadband, pay content/TV bills. At the end of the year the public would be advised as to how much they paid into the Licence fee, I suspect less than €80 in most cases. This could be part of VAT, however businesses would not be able to reclaim this portion of VAT.

But even if my idea was adopted or yours or anyone else's it still remains that RTÉ are aloof from the realities of their situation and their audience.

In 2019 RTÉ spend just €3.2m on Independent Drama and Comedy (which included The Tommy Teirnan Show)
In 2019 RTÉ spent just €3.5m on Children's Content.

These are two of RTÉ's core objectives for their 2020/2024 strategy!

I agree that there is a role for ComReg and the BAI or some amalgamation or a new restructured oversight body.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with your proposal to link revenue to some sort of levy on services. The only fear I would have is that at some point in the future the means of delivery of those services may change due to improvements in technology. I think funding from direct taxation is the best long term system to ensure the future of a PBS.

If the Government was serious about this everything should be on the table with a view to delivering the best service to the audience.

Elmo · 24-10-2020 11:42pm

elperello wrote: »

I agree that there is a role for ComReg and the BAI or some amalgamation or a new restructured oversight body.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with your proposal to link revenue to some sort of levy on services. The only fear I would have is that at some point in the future the means of delivery of those services may change due to improvements in technology. I think funding from direct taxation is the best long term system to ensure the future of a PBS.

That's were ComReg and the BAI would come in, they would set the charge and determine if changes need to be made for its collection.

I would have issue with Direct Taxation funding the public service broadcaster, the Boaden report on the NSO talks about this it says:-

Government involvement ensures wider stakeholder support, but also potentially leaves the NSO at the whim of future Government spending decisions

In the case of the decision by government at the budget the NSO will now be at the whim of the government with no RTÉ involvement as suggested by the report.

Both RTÉ and TG4 fell foul of government involvement in 2011 when TG4 up until 2018 was part funded by the license fee, with its direct grant from the exchequer reduce, only in 2018 was this reversed, nothing stopping the government de-funding TG4 as they did in 2011, with the gap being filled by what ever replaces the license fee.

fritzelly · 25-10-2020 1:10am

Elmo wrote: »

I would have issue with Direct Taxation funding the public service broadcaster

Anyone in their right mind should take issue with direct taxation - there is no oversight in RTE
The only way that would work is a cap on all wages in line with normal civil servants and all spending/budget to be approved but that will never happen
They are a semi private organisation and I would guess VM would also take issue with it.

Atlantic Dawn · 25-10-2020 1:52pm

Why are RTE running RTE News ads on Sky Sports, thought they were tight for cash? Who do they think they are, CNN?

McHardcore · 25-10-2020 2:32pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Anyone in their right mind should take issue with direct taxation - there is no oversight in RTE

How is oversight any different if RTE are funded from taxation or through a mandatory licence fee?
Either way they get their funds. At least through taxation the overhead of licence fee collection and enforcement is removed, and their funds have to be signed off by the Government.

Elmo · 25-10-2020 2:36pm

McHardcore wrote: »

How is oversight any different if RTE are funded from taxation or through a mandatory licence fee?
Either way they get their funds. At least through taxation the overhead of licence fee collection and enforcement is removed, and their funds have to be signed off by the Government.

And the government of the day may decide to removing funding if they don't like what is being said.

McHardcore · 25-10-2020 2:43pm

Elmo wrote: »

And the government of the day may decide to removing funding if they don't like what is being said.

Good point.

fritzelly · 25-10-2020 2:57pm

McHardcore wrote: »

How is oversight any different if RTE are funded from taxation or through a mandatory licence fee?
Either way they get their funds. At least through taxation the overhead of licence fee collection and enforcement is removed, and their funds have to be signed off by the Government.

Taxation everyone pays whether you use them or not

elperello · 25-10-2020 4:16pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Anyone in their right mind should take issue with direct taxation - there is no oversight in RTE
The only way that would work is a cap on all wages in line with normal civil servants and all spending/budget to be approved but that will never happen
They are a semi private organisation and I would guess VM would also take issue with it.

Most RTE staff are on salary scales as it is. I think spending/budget issues could be sorted.

Elmo wrote: »

And the government of the day may decide to removing funding if they don't like what is being said.

That is a danger but if the right structures were put in place an "arms length" funding model could be developed.

fritzelly wrote: »

Taxation everyone pays whether you use them or not

At the moment you have to pay the licence whether you watch RTE or not.

There are lots of things that Government funds that you do not directly use. For example I have no interest in horse racing but the Government will pay c. €76m to Horse Racing Ireland next year.

TomTomTim · 25-10-2020 4:26pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why are RTE running RTE News ads on Sky Sports, thought they were tight for cash? Who do they think they are, CNN?

They are certainly behaving a lot like CNN in the last few years, and that's not a compliment.

Elmo · 25-10-2020 4:44pm

elperello wrote: »

There are lots of things that Government funds that you do not directly use. For example I have no interest in horse racing but the Government will pay c. €76m to Horse Racing Ireland next year.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2020/1014/1171490-minster-defends-12m-increase-to-racing-funding/

€96million, of which €21million is given to gray hound racing.

I don't really under stand this funding, how much in ticket sales and betting is that industry making?

And why from the Min of Agriculture?

fritzelly · 25-10-2020 4:48pm

elperello wrote: »

At the moment you have to pay the licence whether you watch RTE or not.
.

No, you pay the licence if you own equipment capable of receiving a broadcast signal - you have a choice
Taxation means everyone pays regardless so you are paying for incompetent presenters on ridiculous wages on a station that thinks money grows on a tree

McHardcore · 25-10-2020 5:12pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Taxation everyone pays whether you use them or not

Which is practically the same as the current licence method since you have to pay "if you have equipment capable of receiving a television signal". Or even the proposed 2024 method, that will cover laptops, tablets and phones. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/qa-who-what-and-how-much-an-idiots-guide-to-the-new-broadcasting-charge-38370889.html

So I will ask the same question again:
How is oversight any different if RTE are funded from taxation or through a mandatory licence fee?
Either way they get their funds. At least through taxation the overhead of licence fee collection and enforcement is removed.

Nevin Parsnipp · 25-10-2020 5:22pm

fritzelly wrote: »

No, you pay the licence if you own equipment capable of receiving a broadcast signal - you have a choice
Taxation means everyone pays regardless so you are paying for incompetent presenters on ridiculous wages on a station that thinks money grows on a tree

Little harsh here this poster would opine ?

MOST presenters are adequate but would agree that SOME are on ridiculous salary's.

How a Station could pay two afternoon presenters a wedge north of €450K beggars belief.

This really needs sorting or Dee Forbes can bleat about under funding until the cows come home .

NIMAN · 25-10-2020 6:20pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Little harsh here this poster would opine ?

MOST presenters are adequate but would agree that SOME are on ridiculous salary's.

How a Station could pay two afternoon presenters a wedge north of €450K beggars belief.

This really needs sorting or Dee Forbes can bleat about under funding until the cows come home .

It all depends on what you think Irish radio presenters are worth I suppose.

Tubs, Duffy and Darcy get all the headlines because they cost RTE approx €1,500,000 annually in fees/salaries, but don't forget that there are big wages among the other 'big' names too.

Sean O'Rourke was on 250k or so before he left.
Marian was on 300k+ before she died.

And don't forget Miriam, David McCullough, George Hamilton, Claire Byrne, Bryan Dobson, Mary Wilson. All of these are on an average of 200k too each.

Do you think they all earn that sort of money?

Elmo · 25-10-2020 7:21pm

NIMAN wrote: »

It all depends on what you think Irish radio presenters are worth I suppose.

Tubs, Duffy and Darcy get all the headlines because they cost RTE approx €1,500,000 annually in fees/salaries, but don't forget that there are big wages among the other 'big' names too.

Sean O'Rourke was on 250k or so before he left.
Marian was on 300k+ before she died.

And don't forget Miriam, David McCullough, George Hamilton, Claire Byrne, Bryan Dobson, Mary Wilson. All of these are on an average of 200k too each.

Do you think they all earn that sort of money?

I'd say a lot earn just under the top 10 earners. having look back over over the years the numbers that hop in and out of that top 10 list is interesting. Eamon Dunphy, Vincent Browne, Charlie Bird all featured over the last 2 decades.

Also there are many that aren't reported on, I doubt that Catherine Thomas didn't make it into to the top 10 list when she was presenting The Voice, standing in for radio presenters and Operation Transformation, only she's employeed by different indo producers, making her exempt from the list.

It's been report that Larry Gogan left €1.7million, in fairness he probably built that up over the last 2 decades of his life but that is still around 125,000 to 150,000 a year.

Here's a list from 2003 to 2016

Pat Kenny 11 years
Ryan Tubridy 13 years
Joe Duffy 14 years
Marian Finucane 14 years
Miriam O'Callaghan 14 years
Sean O'Rourke 11 years
Bryan Dobson 7 years
Derek Mooney 12 years
George Hamilton 7 years
George Lee 2 years
Ray D'Arcy 2 years
Claire Byrne 3 years
Mary Wilson 1 year
Nicky Byrne 1 year
Darragh Maloney 1 year
Richard Crowley 1 year
Colm Hayes 2 years
Gerry Ryan 8 years
Eamon Dunphy 4 years
John Kelly 5 years
Charlie Bird 2 years
Marty Whelan 1 year
Brendan O'Connor 1 year
Tommy Gorman 1 year
Brian Farrell 1 year
Vincent Browne 1 year

Personality Pay Year
1 Vincent Browne 147,000 2003
2 Charlie Bird 149,000 2003
3 John Kelly 150,000 2003
4 Derek Mooney 166,000 2003
5 George Hamilton 168,000 2004
6 Derek Mooney 169,000 2014
7 Colm Hayes 170,000 2014
8 Richard Crowley 174,000 2014
9 Brian Farrell 176,000 2003
10 Miriam O'Callaghan 177,000 2003
Sean O'Rourke 177,000 2004
11 George Lee 179,000 2014
12 George Lee 180,000 2013

Note that the cuts RTÉ made are in 2014, this brings waged staff into their top 20, this must be embarrassing, why is Richard Crowley in that list?

Those earning between 180,000 and 200,000 are

Bryan Dobson (he's on between 194,000 and 198,000 when he is on the list)
Derek Mooney in 2013 and 2004
George Halimton in 2016 and 2013
Claire Byrne in 2012, 2015 and 2016 not making enough in 2014 or 2015 to make the list
Mary Wilson in her only entry to the list in 2016
Darragh Maloney for 2015 in his only entry to the list
John Kelly in 2004, though for some reason he earns over 200,000 from 2005 - 2007)
Charlie Bird in his second time on the list in 2005

That's only 29 people earning below 200,000 in the top 10 list over 14 years, meaning everyone else in the list earn over 200,000 or 111 times vast majority.

No way Bryan Dobson took a cut in any of the years he's not on the list, but those are Celtic tiger years.

Too much!

elperello · 25-10-2020 10:28pm

Elmo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2020/1014/1171490-minster-defends-12m-increase-to-racing-funding/

€96million, of which €21million is given to gray hound racing.

I don't really under stand this funding, how much in ticket sales and betting is that industry making?

And why from the Min of Agriculture?

I just picked that one as an example. No need to get sidetracked, suffice to say there are lot's of things that our taxes get spent on that we have no use for and never will.

fritzelly wrote: »

No, you pay the licence if you own equipment capable of receiving a broadcast signal - you have a choice
Taxation means everyone pays regardless so you are paying for incompetent presenters on ridiculous wages on a station that thinks money grows on a tree

Sorry I assumed we were talking about people who watch TV. If you don't you have no dog in this fight. Wouldn't it be great if you could just go into a shop and buy a telly, bring it home plug in and start watching. No worries about some inspector coming around trying to get you to buy a licence to look at it.

As it happens I actually know of a house with no TV. Nice people, they just genuinely have no interest in owning one and seem to manage quite well. However they really are as rare as hen's teeth.

Elmo · 25-10-2020 11:11pm

elperello wrote: »

Sorry I assumed we were talking about people who watch TV. If you don't you have no dog in this fight. Wouldn't it be great if you could just go into a shop and buy a telly, bring it home plug in and start watching. No worries about some inspector coming around trying to get you to buy a licence to look at it.

As it happens I actually know of a house with no TV. Nice people, they just genuinely have no interest in owning one and seem to manage quite well. However they really are as rare as hen's teeth.

Lots have move to on demand, deciding to use either monitors or projectors for TV, these are exempt from the licence fee.

elperello · 25-10-2020 11:41pm

Elmo wrote: »

Lots have move to on demand, deciding to use either monitors or projectors for TV, these are exempt from the licence fee.

Yes I know some who have gone that route but really in their heart of heart they long for a big 55 inch TV.

All this subterfuge and trying to stick it to the man by not paying for a licence could be avoided by making PBS TV free at the point of use like radio. Imagine if there was still a licence for a radio and there were checkpoints stopping cars to check for a radio licence.

In years to come people will look back on the TV licence and wonder how it ever lasted as long as it has. It's the modern equivalent of the window tax. We could open things up and let the light shine in.

TV still has real potential as a community good but it has been hi-jacked by the likes of Netflix and Sky.

When you've watched all the box sets and one carbon copy movie after another what next?

fritzelly · 26-10-2020 12:16am

elperello wrote: »

Yes I know some who have gone that route but really in their heart of heart they long for a big 55 inch TV.

I don't watch TV or rather VM or RTE (there is nothing on those channels that interest me the slightest) - I have a 100" screen/projector so blah at your 55" TV

elperello · 26-10-2020 12:29am

fritzelly wrote: »

I don't watch TV or rather VM or RTE (there is nothing on those channels that interest me the slightest) - I have a 100" screen/projector so blah at your 55" TV

Size matters ?

But seriously, what about sport, music, cultural stuff etc.

What if you get a txt to say your home place is featured in a TV programme? Would you not even be a little curious?

fritzelly · 26-10-2020 12:34am

elperello wrote: »

But seriously, what about sport, music, cultural stuff etc.

Better places to get that than RTE

elperello wrote: »

What if you get a txt to say your home place is featured in a TV programme? Would you not even be a little curious?

Stupid argument

elperello · 26-10-2020 12:35am

fritzelly wrote: »

Better places to get that than RTE

Stupid argument

Not Irish stuff.

No need to be rude.

Elmo · 26-10-2020 12:58am

elperello wrote: »

Not Irish stuff.

I agree with you but both VM & RTÉ have let irish audiences down. Spending only 2.2m on drama isn't going to get you far.

Cirrus Incus · 26-10-2020 1:17am

Most of what RTE produce is very low quality. They should stick purely to Irish news and current affairs if they want the public to pay a mandatory TV licence.

Otherwise RTE should adopt a subscription model if they want to continue making Z list celebrity crap like the ironically titled 'Finding Joy.' I'm not paying to support that ****e.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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