Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

C__MC · 17-09-2019 12:59pm

I actually thought Kerry were going to pip Dublin Saturday but on reflection, they just didn't get to the pitch of the game like Dublin. Heroic scores in the first half made it a great contest on kerrys behalf. As they where conceding kickouts as well, there legs just went and tired and lazy shots crept into it.
Kerry are on the right track but there s and c seems to be lagging behind Dublin a good bit. Posted this earlier but in a least 5 games this decade, Kerry have been out on their feet against the dubs.

2019- League and Championship games
2017- League Game & Final
2016- AIL Semi & 2013

Dublin just have a crazy level of fitness it seems

Is that the end of JOD and a few other Enright etc?

dobman88 · 17-09-2019 1:32pm

C__MC wrote: »

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2019- League and Championship games

Didnt they beat Dublin in the league in Tralee in a cracking game

dobman88 · 17-09-2019 1:32pm

C__MC wrote: »

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2019- League and Championship games

Didnt they beat Dublin in the league in Tralee in a cracking game

davegilly · 17-09-2019 3:12pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Didnt they beat Dublin in the league in Tralee in a cracking game

They were hanging on for dear life against 14 men at the end though, bit similar to two weeks ago.

What's worrying about that or should have been at the time is the dubs were only off a plane a week before hand and we're still fitter than the Kerry lads. Kerry and everybody else's S&C has to improve drastically if you are to have any hope against the dubs.

Poor_old_gill · 17-09-2019 4:41pm

acequion wrote: »

Oh for god's sake I'm not "analyzing" "reckoning" or having a "robust set of assumptions" about anything!! I was simply expressing my worries here as I'm perfectly entitled to do.

You're only interested in a major debate where you can point score off your opponent.

Wrong opponent mate, I ain't interested! I'm still licking my wounds from the defeat.

So go and find somebody else to point score with! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It’s not about point scoring- I’m questioning your post because it is, in my opinion, ludicrous to make the claim that you think Clifford or o shea will never win an AI and that we are the new Mayo.

That it is one of the strangest and most baseless posts I’ve read on here and that’s saying something.

As I said- I’m convinced your on the wind up

Kerrydude1981 · 18-09-2019 9:59am

Back to club action at the weekend

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conor05 · 18-09-2019 12:20pm

davegilly wrote: »

They were hanging on for dear life against 14 men at the end though, bit similar to two weeks ago.

What's worrying about that or should have been at the time is the dubs were only off a plane a week before hand and we're still fitter than the Kerry lads. Kerry and everybody else's S&C has to improve drastically if you are to have any hope against the dubs.

This.

Dublin fitness levels in the last 15-20 minutes are winning them matches. Kerry and Mayo have taken silly options when out on their feet against Dublin.

Dublin have the fitness levels and composure to see out this big games.

Ciaran Kilkenny and McCarthy are still sprinting in the 75th minute like they are in the 5th minute.

Do you ever really see Dublin players going down with cramp?

Forge83 · 18-09-2019 12:50pm

conor05 wrote: »

This.

Dublin fitness levels in the last 15-20 minutes are winning them matches. Kerry and Mayo have taken silly options when out on their feet against Dublin.

Dublin have the fitness levels and composure to see out this big games.

Ciaran Kilkenny and McCarthy are still sprinting in the 75th minute like they are in the 5th minute.

Do you ever really see Dublin players going down with cramp?

We had guys going down with cramp around 45 mins. I’ve commented at several games that the Kerry warm up is too long and too intense. Obviously I don’t know how long they warmed up for the finals but most likely the same as previous championship games.

charlie14 · 18-09-2019 1:27pm

conor05 wrote: »

This.

Dublin fitness levels in the last 15-20 minutes are winning them matches. Kerry and Mayo have taken silly options when out on their feet against Dublin.

Dublin have the fitness levels and composure to see out this big games.

Ciaran Kilkenny and McCarthy are still sprinting in the 75th minute like they are in the 5th minute.

Do you ever really see Dublin players going down with cramp?

It`s not just their fitness levels, it`s also their conditioning which is evident in their tackling and in their forwards, especially O`Callaghan and Mannion.
Any team with serious ambitions of beating this Dublin team needs to look at having at least one full time conditioning coach, or in the case of most counties with the geographical spread of players two to full time monitor players conditioning programmes.
Not cheap, but without that imo in relation to this Dublin team, other counties will be playing second best for a long time to come.

D'Agger · 18-09-2019 3:07pm

davegilly wrote: »

They were hanging on for dear life against 14 men at the end though, bit similar to two weeks ago.

What's worrying about that or should have been at the time is the dubs were only off a plane a week before hand and we're still fitter than the Kerry lads. Kerry and everybody else's S&C has to improve drastically if you are to have any hope against the dubs.

I don't disagree with what you're saying here but originally the conversation was about 'the what' i.e. Kerrys record vs. Dublin which somebody identified as defeats in 2019, League and Championship. When that was questioned based on Kerry winning 1 (Tralee game), losing one (replay) & drawing 1 (1st final), then it becomes about 'the how' which is a bit disingenuous.

Ultimately, while it being evident that Dublin are a good bit ahead of the pack, I think Peter Keanes first year in charge has left us top of that chasing pack, with more work to do and more improvements to be made. W1/D1/L1 against Dublin isn't a bad return considering. If you'd offered Kerry fans that at the start of the year in no particular order they'd have taken it.

Kerrydude1981 · 26-09-2019 10:47pm

Round Two

East Kerry V Stacks is a massive game

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Poor_old_gill · 27-09-2019 7:27am

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Round Two

East Kerry V Stacks is a massive game

Could be bye bye for Stacks

:D

Forge83 · 27-09-2019 5:37pm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Round Two

East Kerry V Stacks is a massive game

What players stood out for everyone on the first weekend of games?

cms88 · 02-10-2019 9:33am

Killian Youngs retirement sees the last member of the 2006/07 winning teams call it a day. Seem like it was only yeaterday he was the U21 winning captain

brocbrocach · 02-10-2019 10:41am

His star faded a bit in the last few years but credit to him for sticking around to add experience to the panel. Got a huge amount of important scores attacking from his own half. On his day he could be as good as any half back in the country.

Kerrydude1981 · 02-10-2019 12:51pm

Round 3 this weekend

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Strand Road V East Kerry should be a cracker

Bass Reeves · 02-10-2019 1:36pm

cms88 wrote: »

Killian Youngs retirement sees the last member of the 2006/07 winning teams call it a day. Seem like it was only yeaterday he was the U21 winning captain

He was a great servant in his day but stayed on 1-2 years too long like many of that era. Fitzmaurices reluctance to bring in young players has us about 2 years behind the development area we should be in. After the semi-final loss to Mayo we should have seen a huge clear out of older players in 2017 rather than trundling through 2018 and those players holding positions on the benches. In truth we should have seen the introduction of younger players from the 2016 season.

The_Honeybadger · 02-10-2019 9:44pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He was a great servant in his day but stayed on 1-2 years too long like many of that era. Fitzmaurices reluctance to bring in young players has us about 2 years behind the development area we should be in. After the semi-final loss to Mayo we should have seen a huge clear out of older players in 2017 rather than trundling through 2018 and those players holding positions on the benches. In truth we should have seen the introduction of younger players from the 2016 season.

Wouldn’t agree with this at all. Those lads were nowhere near ready in 2016 or even 2017. They were getting blown up in training by the older lads by all accounts and I can’t imagine they’d have fared any better in championship matches. There was always going to be a down year or two when they were being integrated in to the team and I think Eamon and now Peter handled that well.

Happy retirement to Killian. A great servant to Kerry and a gentleman who I have had the pleasure of dealing with a number of times. Injuries have really derailed him in recent years which is a pity.

dobman88 · 03-10-2019 6:24pm

Can anyone find the 2020 league fixtures? Have been looking online for them but cant find em. Ty

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-10-2019 7:36pm

Even they are usually out by now I have not seen mention of them anywhere.

dobman88 · 03-10-2019 7:40pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Even they are usually out by now I have not seen mention of them anywhere.

Have found Dublin, Meath and Donegal fixtures. Cant find any of the other counties fixtures.

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-10-2019 9:01pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Have found Dublin, Meath and Donegal fixtures. Cant find any of the other counties fixtures.

That's very odd, do you have a link ?

dobman88 · 03-10-2019 9:09pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's very odd, do you have a link ?

Dubs on Hogan stand page, meath on the Hogan stand Meath page and Donegal on Donegal daily.

theMountain · 06-10-2019 12:18pm

Lads at the game in Tralee last night between KOR & EK were telling me that Donie Buckley had left the Kerry setup. Anyone else hear this ?

Fr Tod Umptious · 08-10-2019 7:47am

Just out of the hat

Kerry v Cork Munster SF in 2020.

I wonder will Cork have improved any bit.

Radio5 · 08-10-2019 12:47pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Just out of the hat

Kerry v Cork Munster SF in 2020.

I wonder will Cork have improved any bit.

That will be played in Cork ?

The_Honeybadger · 09-10-2019 11:38am

theMountain wrote: »

Lads at the game in Tralee last night between KOR & EK were telling me that Donie Buckley had left the Kerry setup. Anyone else hear this ?

Haven’t heard anything about this. Hopefully just a rumour

cms88 · 10-10-2019 12:37pm

thegaelicgame.wordpress.com/2019/10/10/kerry-decline-2020-munster-mhc-invitation/

Bad call imo. I'm saying it with years the level will never improve aslong as people are happy to stay in the B grades. They're saying it's a year or two too early but it might be too late at that stage. More schools than ever are now playing in Munster collages etc so now is the time. While i know Kerry aren't going to be winning Munster titles but it's still surely better to at least try and make the step up

wackokid · 21-10-2019 7:55pm

Question for you lads and lassies.
Watching East Kerry demolish Dingle on TV and very impressed with No 14 Dara Roche from Glenflesk.
Can't remember seeing him on a Kerry minor team but did see him play U21 two years in a row 2015 and 2016.
Anybody know why he wasn't on the minor team v Cork in 2013? at least not the drawn game.
Looks like a serious talent now at 24/25 years old. The older Clifford chap is no slouch either.

dobman88 · 22-10-2019 10:32pm

Not sure how accurate these fixtures are....

https://twitter.com/livescorekerry/status/1186727019633090560?s=19

JoshRosen · 24-10-2019 1:27pm

only 1 name being mentioned

Forge83 · 24-10-2019 3:19pm

JoshRosen wrote: »

only 1 name being mentioned

There’s no name mentioned in the article...

The_Honeybadger · 24-10-2019 4:06pm

Forge83 wrote: »

There’s no name mentioned in the article...

Presumably he is referring to the local rumour mill. Haven’t heard anything about it myself.

DoctaDee · 24-10-2019 4:48pm

MOD

It goes without saying that there's to be no speculating on the identity of the player here or anywhere else on Boards - Ta

JoshRosen · 24-10-2019 6:47pm

Forge83 wrote: »

There’s no name mentioned in the article...

Apologies never seen the mod post before I posted this

conor05 · 03-11-2019 10:21pm

Causeway went down by 5pts to Waterford Intermediate champs today in Munster.

I think the 8 Senior Kerry hurling clubs are going to have to seriously look at asking can they play in the Limerick Division 3 & 4 All County leagues.

Scrap the North Kerry hurling league they have it’s a waste of time.

The clubs in Kerry are not going improve by playing each other at the same standard 3 or 4 times a year.

This new format would mean you would have the Limerick league, kerry league and Kerry SHC.

If Kerry hurling wants to aspire to what St Mullins done today against Cuala today they need to copy the template they follow.

Kilkenny let all the Carlow clubs into their junior leagues about 10 years ago and that improved them to a huge standard. It basically changed their hurling profile.

Bass Reeves · 04-11-2019 2:12am

conor05 wrote: »

Causeway went down by 5pts to Waterford Intermediate champs today in Munster.

I think the 8 Senior Kerry hurling clubs are going to have to seriously look at asking can they play in the Limerick Division 3 & 4 All County leagues.

Scrap the North Kerry hurling league they have it’s a waste of time.

The clubs in Kerry are not going improve by playing each other at the same standard 3 or 4 times a year.

This new format would mean you would have the Limerick league, kerry league and Kerry SHC.

If Kerry hurling wants to aspire to what St Mullins done today against Cuala today they need to copy the template they follow.

Kilkenny let all the Carlow clubs into their junior leagues about 10 years ago and that improved them to a huge standard. It basically changed their hurling profile.

Travelling distance would be a huge issue. While D4 is mainly west limerick clubs D3+5 is east Limerick and city clubs mainly.This would entail 2 hour journeys =/- 30 minutes for league games, Highly unlikly I say. Cannot see Limerick clubs being interested in it.

wackokid · 06-11-2019 10:37pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Just out of the hat

Kerry v Cork Munster SF in 2020.

I wonder will Cork have improved any bit.

They only need to improve by 3 points if I remember correctly.

Radio5 · 07-11-2019 11:42am

County Final Sunday. Yet another title for the Crokes or can East Kerry pull it off?

D'Agger · 07-11-2019 11:51am

Hon East Kerry!

Kerrydude1981 · 07-11-2019 1:00pm

County board turned down the offer of TG4 showing the game live due to financial reasons and attendance drops when games are shown live

DDC1990 · 10-11-2019 5:09pm

Sounds like some brilliant play from Brosnan and David Clifford in the County Final.

Unfortunately short sightedness from the County Board means that we don't get to see it. Crowd of only 8,000 as well. So much for boosting the attendance.

2-13 to 1-6 now with 12mins to go.

Austin Stacks will now go on to play the Munster Club championship.

Poor_old_gill · 10-11-2019 6:31pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Sounds like some brilliant play from Brosnan and David Clifford in the County Final.

Unfortunately short sightedness from the County Board means that we don't get to see it. Crowd of only 8,000 as well. So much for boosting the attendance.

2-13 to 1-6 now with 12mins to go.

Austin Stacks will now go on to play the Munster Club championship.

Brosnan was decent but jeez I wouldnt say he was brilliant.
Paudie clifford was excellent

Kerrydude1981 · 10-11-2019 6:33pm

County board saved from having no Xmas this year with the good attendance today

Same As · 10-11-2019 7:43pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Brosnan was decent but jeez I wouldnt say he was brilliant.
Paudie clifford was excellent

I thought Paudie Clifford was very good today. Would like to see him get a chance during the League, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced he'll cut it at senior inter-county level.

In addition to Paudie, I would like to see the below players given a chance during the NFL following some of their performances in County Championship:

Tony Brosnan (Dr Crokes)
Liam Kearney (East Kerry)
Ronan Buckley (East Kerry)
Dan McCarthy (Kenmare Shamrocks)
Eoghan O Brien (St Brendans)

Boom__Boom · 10-11-2019 7:46pm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

County board saved from having no Xmas this year with the good attendance today

Attendance today 8256

Definitely think there would have been at least a few hundred more if it was on in Killarney, given the weather conditions.

Also the Sem Green game could easily have started a half an hour later or the final could have started half an hour earlier. No need whatsoever for such a large gap between the two games, especially when there was never going to be extra-time for the schools game. Silly carry-on.

Congrats to East Kerry worthy winners - Crokes can have no complaints.

I'd say there'll be some fun with the county board about Rathmore joining East Kerry next year. Personally I'd be leaning towards splitting East Kerry, especially given the age profile and the squad depth they'd have with Rathmore there. There would be a lot of decent club players (especially younger players) who'd most likely be missing out on getting a chance to play county championship if they don't split them.

Boom__Boom · 10-11-2019 8:02pm

Same As wrote: »

I thought Paudie Clifford was very good today. Would like to see him get a chance during the League, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced he'll cut it at senior inter-county level.

In addition to Paudie, I would like to see the below players given a chance during the NFL following some of their performances in County Championship:

Tony Brosnan (Dr Crokes)
Liam Kearney (East Kerry)
Ronan Buckley (East Kerry)
Dan McCarthy (Kenmare Shamrocks)
Eoghan O Brien (St Brendans)

I agree with you on Paudie - he plays some lovely stuff but I could see him possibly having issues with the step-up to inter-county. I'm not sure if his game would fit/map all that well onto the intercounty game. I could well be wrong on this. It's definitely worth investigating. Worthy MOTM today - got on a huge amount of ball. His tendency to pick up silly yellows (like he did today) would definitely be something I could see coming against him.

I think Brosnan and Kearney will surely be involved. Ronan Buckley I thought was quieter today than he had been in previous games but he's definitely worth a shout - has a lot of football in him. Saw Dan McCarthy versus West Kerry and he did have a great game there at centre-back but that was the only Kenmare game I saw so I don't know much about him. If that was his usual standard you'd definitely say he's worth being called in. Goalkeeper position definitely needs to be looked at - I can't imagine Brian Kelly is putting Shane Ryan under much pressure for the No 1 jersery.

DDC1990 · 10-11-2019 8:55pm

Poor_old_gill wrote:

Brosnan was decent but jeez I wouldnt say he was brilliant. Paudie clifford was excellent

Like I said I couldn't be there to watch it but Radio Kerry were giving him high praise for some of his play.

conor05 · 10-11-2019 9:01pm

Same As wrote: »

I thought Paudie Clifford was very good today. Would like to see him get a chance during the League, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced he'll cut it at senior inter-county level.

In addition to Paudie, I would like to see the below players given a chance during the NFL following some of their performances in County Championship:

Tony Brosnan (Dr Crokes)
Liam Kearney (East Kerry)
Ronan Buckley (East Kerry)
Dan McCarthy (Kenmare Shamrocks)
Eoghan O Brien (St Brendans)

Paudie definitely deserves his chance if you are to use the Brian Cody rule of thumb, if you are performing consistently excellent with your club in championship you deserve a chance to see can you cut it at county level.

Hopefully we can add to the league panel for 2020. It keeps all last years panelists on their toes and freshens things up.

DDC1990 · 16-11-2019 4:23pm

Na Gaeil beat Killshannig handily enough in the Munster Junior QF. 2-11 to 2-3

Good start to the weekend for the football clubs.

Killgarvan were beaten by Russell Rivers in the Hurling

Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

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