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Why are there so many socially awkward people today?

  • 22-10-2019 3:29pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭


    I would be one myself. No friends, no girlfriend. Pretty much regarding social interaction since 6th class 11 years ago. It seems to afflict males more than females.

    I think the internet made people less connected. I spent nearly all of my life on my computer locked inside. That and being an only child contributed to this.

    Or perhaps it's genetic. Some are just more introverted.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Get out more.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    I would be one myself. No friends, no girlfriend. Pretty much regarding social interaction since 6th class 11 years ago. It seems to afflict males more than females.

    I think the internet made people less connected. I spent nearly all of my life on my computer locked inside. That and being an only child contributed to this.

    Or perhaps it's genetic. Some are just more introverted.

    Nothing wrong with you, just maybe a lot of people are awkward to be socially with...

    You'll find your own place, I like my space that's for sure...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Wayne Jarvis


    I don't think there are more socially awkward people now then there were fifty years ago I just think people like me can stay indoors and be introverted but still somewhat scratch the social itch because of the internet. Also staying in is just so much easier than going out for a lot of people, you don't even have to leave your home to do the weekly shop anymore if you don't want to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    I'm going to generalize a bit but the majority of people these days are whingers, pure and simple. They have become obsessed with obtaining the "perfect" lifestyle and when something goes slightly outside what they think is that they deserve from life their little minds get blown and they thrown a f*cking hissy fit.

    This applies to real life and their social media "persona's". It stems from one up man ship and trying to show that they have made it in life to their "friends" and followers on social media. The shear sense of self entitlement that comes attached to this lifestyle just drives their unhappiness causing anxiety (which is more prevalent these days) and various other mental health issues.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭Professor Genius


    Many just require a good root up da hole to jolt them out of their lazy ways.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah...phones..internet..the loud people have gotten worse too..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    When you are learning to drive you are highly likely to be somewhat anxious.

    If you let that limit the amount of driving you do, that anxiety won't ever go away. If you challenge yourself and confront the anxiety your driving improves and anxiety fades.

    Same goes for just about everything.
    Avoid the things making you anxious and the anxiety won't ever improve.
    Get out there, interact, live life. Get into evening classes, sports clubs - anything that gets you out and about.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Guy Person wrote: »
    I don't think there are more socially awkward people now then there were fifty years ago I just think people like me can stay indoors and be introverted but still somewhat scratch the social itch because of the internet.
    That's a huge part of it G, but I would believe that while the tendency for social awkwardness has always been present and certainly there are examples of same throughout history. However they were rare enough and tended to come from wealthy backgrounds which allowed them more "freedom" to be eccentric etc. The current environment has enabled more people(more men generally) to become socially awkward and yet still survive. The interwebs creates a social outlet of sorts and also creates a sense of belonging to a wider group or groups of similar minded types who tend to promote the traits of the group. For example look at how the "go introverts, boo to extroverts" thing can be found online. The opposite is much less active.

    Much like the genetics for type 2 diabetes haven't changed, but there's a helluva lot more type 2 diabetics in the western world than there would be among tribal types living off the land, or even western people a couple of generations back. Environment. I'd bet the farm the number of those with social phobia among say New Guinean tribal people is effectively zero. Humans are a social animal by nature and social exclusion does nobody any favours, particularly if it feels imposed.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Perhaps when you grow up with communication in text form it becomes an easy way to avoid speaking in person or on the phone, which requires you to respond in real time. So you don't get the exposure which would help you develop those skills.
    Very much so. Now this can be a great advantage for those who need a longer time to construct replies and argument and allows such folks the chance to engage in general interaction where they otherwise would be crowded out by the more socially deft and fair play, but I would agree with you that for many it can result in a stunted development of those skills in Real Life(tm).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Staring at phones constantly is making sh1t of people's dopamine systems too..its definitely a part of it too..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    I've no idea if there are more socially awkward people today than yesteryear, but I'd point to the existence of men's sheds to say that its been a problem in the past. And anecdotally, the number of aging single men who I saw propping up bars from childhood

    In some ways, the internet has helped where you can chat to people with similar interests online. In other cases, it can lead to further social isolation

    And then there are happy introverts such as myself. Some people just enjoy their own company, others have to be around people at all times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I know a good few older people who are very socially awkward/anxious and they were never into social media or technology.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I've no idea if there are more socially awkward people today than yesteryear, but I'd point to the existence of men's sheds to say that its been a problem in the past. And anecdotally, the number of aging single men who I saw propping up bars from childhood
    Oh sure, there were always ageing bachelors and spinsters, but there are more today and more coming down the pike. Look at the way some sections of Japanese society are going. Now that situation is the bastard child of many fathers, but you have a large chunk of men and women who are effectively shut ins outside of society, never growing up.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭canonball5


    Most women are crazy and more men are going MGTOW, it's no surprise really!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Introverted and socially awkward are not mutually inclusive. You can be an introvert without being socially awkward. We don't all shine in, or enjoy, every type of interaction. You can enjoy your own company and space without being out of place in all social situations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Oh sure, there were always ageing bachelors and spinsters, but there are more today and more coming down the pike. Look at the way some sections of Japanese society are going. Now that situation is the bastard child of many fathers, but you have a large chunk of men and women who are effectively shut ins outside of society, never growing up.

    Judging by Tinder there's a lot of people up against the clock, probably more so than ever in history


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    I would be one myself. No friends, no girlfriend. Pretty much regarding social interaction since 6th class 11 years ago. It seems to afflict males more than females.

    I think the internet made people less connected. I spent nearly all of my life on my computer locked inside. That and being an only child contributed to this.

    Or perhaps it's genetic. Some are just more introverted.

    Have a few jars, inhibitions out the window, its great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I'm a sociable loner


  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭lozenges


    And then there are the Michael Scott types who are not at all anxious about social interaction but very awkward all the same... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Oh sure, there were always ageing bachelors and spinsters, but there are more today and more coming down the pike. Look at the way some sections of Japanese society are going. Now that situation is the bastard child of many fathers, but you have a large chunk of men and women who are effectively shut ins outside of society, never growing up.

    Are there really though, I'm not sure how you can prove this point one way or another? Because as much as there are many adult children spending their lives looking for acceptance and fulfillment on social media, in the real world, life is going on as normal too. You could point to falling marriage rates, but how many people in the past did so just because it was the socially acceptable thing to do. I'm not sure we're quite entering the world of the Bruce Willis movie Surrogates just yet


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    canonball5 wrote: »
    Most women are crazy and more men are going MGTOW, it's no surprise really!

    I looked up MGTOW it's supposed to be a huge thing in America.

    Men going their own way.

    Is it like a backlash against femminism and hypergamy is a new word I hear a lot about recently.

    Divorced rape is another one doing the rounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    The ways in which we interact with each other has changed drastically in last 15-20 years. Most of us can get a lot of "social interaction" remotely through screens be they computer or phones. As you are saying OP, you spend a lot of time on computer & on here too. This is skewing how the brain operates & the body can freeze when it enters real life scenarios resulting in social awkwardness.

    People are losing the physical connection of meeting and talking face to face.


    Get out more & meet people, once you get used to different experieinces the fear goes away.


  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    From you OP this is pure pot & kettle.

    Get completely under it: That duvet is your best friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The selection of responses you get from the citizens of After Hours may not be representative of society or reality as a whole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Wayne Jarvis


    Originally Posted by Credit_Spread viewpost.gif
    Perhaps when you grow up with communication in text form it becomes an easy way to avoid speaking in person or on the phone, which requires you to respond in real time.

    Wibbs wrote: »
    Very much so. Now this can be a great advantage for those who need a longer time to construct replies and argument and allows such folks the chance to engage in general interaction where they otherwise would be crowded out by the more socially deft and fair play.
    Don't forget studies, links and statistical data there Wibbs. Many people love to argue online because their point can be backed up by a study done in Botswana in 1997. There is no need for people to get out and live a life and form their opinions based partly on their own experiences when others have already done the research for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Screw Attack


    Cocooning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    Cocooning.

    Googled it, very good term


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    "Hell is other people."-Sartre and written well before social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭gsi300024v


    It's definitely an interesting topic. Some aspects of life thst have changed also I feel and contribute to this, it's more OK to not marry. We live longer now so more time to be alone if older, more time to sort of become more or what you naturally are, so if you are more likely to isolate, we'll you ve extra years to do so now.
    I feel the Internet definietly changed dating, people possibly less brave now when there is the option to save face, don't risk asking that person out in work or at the gym where people k ow you, it's safer to go ask someone out on net where no one k ows you or them or if you've been out. But maybe less likely to actually work out than asking somene out you know you like already. So less relationships working.
    It's also not too long ago women couldn't get a mortgage or generally have a job that could see them buy a house, this has changed, women don't need to marry a wealthy partner. They can have many benefits that were once only there if they married. If you get married now age early 20a people might see it as risky compared to my parents generation. So more people alone.
    I think we're more aware now of social issues such as isolation and socially awkward people. They'd just call you odd maybe back in the day.
    People can retreat to the net and say they ve pals, before they couldn't.
    Personally I found the Internet great for my interests in cars. Growing up my pals all loved football, I d very little interest, so when the Internet came along I could talk to others about cars, I could also find groups of people who just met up parked their car and chatted, the Internet facilitied me finding these groups but also the formation of these groups.
    I heard it said that men can find it hard now to find their role in society, they aren't the dominant ones so much, the provider so much, and while I think it's great we moved on from women having to give up jobs once married, change usually has positives and negatives. Be they large or small. A bit like how in ww2 it is said British people ate very healthy. They ry might not have been very happy with rationing and lack of choice but they actually ate better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Why are there so many socially awkward people today?

    Because we don't have proper communities anymore.

    People live in housing estates, or worse apartment blocks.
    They rent as opposed to own properties, so they'll always be considered as passing-through.
    They don't rely on neighbours for help if something goes wrong, they ring a plumber, or motor breakdown assistance, employ people to collect their kids from school. Everything is transactional, it's bought as opposed to building relationships and owing people favours. It's a convenience culture.

    There's not as many people playing sports after 20-something, unless they work in a large company that organizes after-work sports.

    It's only when you get older and have families that there's more incentive to build relationships with others... mutual babysitting, kids going to friends birthday parties, looking after the neighbours house when they're on holiday, feeding their cat etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 612 ✭✭✭TheFarrier


    I wonder is it a case that more people would have been pushed to the point of powering through it before than now.

    I would have been (still am I suppose) the type of person classed as socially awkward, but growing up I was landed into situations by my parents and friends etc that I found really difficult as I was so awkward and introverted, but the more I was landed into these situations the more I learned to handle them and the less self conscious I became.

    I’m still fairly self conscious and I still find being around large crowds of people I don’t know or very well but I’m much better than I reckon I could have been.

    A lot of parents today seem to think their child is more special or sensitive than all others


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Has anybody said it's because we don't go to mass as much as we used to yet?
    That used be a fair bit of socially interaction I'd say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    canonball5 wrote: »
    more men are going MGTOW!

    Who's doing what now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Has anybody said it's because we don't go to mass as much as we used to yet?
    That used be a fair bit of socially interaction I'd say.

    Well, mainly in rural locations I imagine.
    Also people had large families a generation ago, that definitely helped create wide social circles.

    And there's probably the Healy Raes talking about the country folk being isolated because they're not allowed to drink drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    I've a new flatmate in who I work with, he's 25, nearly 26 and I'm 31. He's only been in a short time but it's apparent he gets home, cooks something and goes into his room, eats it in bed and watches YouTube/plays computer games.

    It's early days yet but he's definitely cocooning, he said when he moved in he needed to be more social but he hasn't made any steps towards this that I've seen. He's only lived away for a year or so before and has spent the rest of his time living at home. I think that's stunted him and limited his development, he hasn't lived with different people and dealt with social interactions enough.

    He talks about anxiety and things but I think a large part of this is he hasn't kicked on and still largely lives as a teenager would. I'll try my best with him but I don't want to lecture him and loose patience with him either. I told him to get out and about and do yoga, gym, whatever he is interested in but he didn't respond well to that or see the point. I asked him what he was interested in or excited about but he said when he watches an episode of anime and looks forward to the next one - clearly missing the point.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭stryker mcqueen


    Social media defo has a huge part to play , I'm 34 and when I think back to my teenage and early 20 years I am a shadow of my myself , its actually quite depressing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Well, mainly in rural locations I imagine.
    Also people had large families a generation ago, that definitely helped create wide social circles.

    .

    I even think in urban locations mass would have being a big enough thing in the past and it would have involved a lot of social interaction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    weemcd wrote: »
    I've a new flatmate in who I work with, he's 25, nearly 26 and I'm 31. He's only been in a short time but it's apparent he gets home, cooks something and goes into his room, eats it in bed and watches YouTube/plays computer games.

    It's early days yet but he's definitely cocooning, he said when he moved in he needed to be more social but he hasn't made any steps towards this that I've seen. He's only lived away for a year or so before and has spent the rest of his time living at home. I think that's stunted him and limited his development, he hasn't lived with different people and dealt with social interactions enough.

    He talks about anxiety and things but I think a large part of this is he hasn't kicked on and still largely lives as a teenager would. I'll try my best with him but I don't want to lecture him and loose patience with him either. I told him to get out and about and do yoga, gym, whatever he is interested in but he didn't respond well to that or see the point. I asked him what he was interested in or excited about but he said when he watches an episode of anime and looks forward to the next one - clearly missing the point.

    Doesnt sound like he is harming anyone else with his behaviour, live and let live, personally speaking I would take an introverts company anytime over some of the foghorn narcissists I've had to endure over the years, empty pots making most noise and all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I would be one myself. No friends, no girlfriend. Pretty much regarding social interaction since 6th class 11 years ago. It seems to afflict males more than females.

    I think the internet made people less connected. I spent nearly all of my life on my computer locked inside. That and being an only child contributed to this.

    Or perhaps it's genetic. Some are just more introverted.

    Social skills are skills to be learned, like any other. So, as someone else has already said, get out more and develop them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Social skills are skills to be learned, like any other. So, as someone else has already said, get out more and develop them.

    So much of conversation is vacous nonsense(eg the weather)just for the sake of talking. The dreaded trapped-with-a-stranger-on-public transport jibber jabber is excruciating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So much of conversation is vacous nonsense(eg the weather)just for the sake of talking. The dreaded trapped-with-a-stranger-on-public transport jibber jabber is excruciating.

    This can be true, but hearing it allows you to filter what is "good" conversation and what is "bad".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Redneck Reject


    Because the younger generation are more adept dealing with iPhone screens,tablets,and laptops.Than actually having to navigate social interactions with a real person. People now use apps to meet people, take fashion and life skills from so called influencers online. I see it everyday and it's tragic. Yes I am old and old fashioned, and I'm proud of that. And also a bit under the influence, so take my ramblings for what you will,heh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Social media defo has a huge part to play , I'm 34 and when I think back to my teenage and early 20 years I am a shadow of my myself , its actually quite depressing

    I've noticed myself my social skills have got a bit rusty and I used to be able to talk to anybody in most scenarios, I was putting it down to giving up drinking a few years ago but now I'm not so sure...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    I find so many people,both professionally and socially, are completely tone deaf to the social cues that you have absolutely zero interest in what they are nattering on about. Less talkative people, not more I say!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    When you are learning to drive you are highly likely to be somewhat anxious.

    If you let that limit the amount of driving you do, that anxiety won't ever go away. If you challenge yourself and confront the anxiety your driving improves and anxiety fades.

    Same goes for just about everything.
    Avoid the things making you anxious and the anxiety won't ever improve.
    Get out there, interact, live life. Get into evening classes, sports clubs - anything that gets you out and about.

    That is one of the truest things I've ever read on here.

    Too many people avoid life these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    That is one of the truest things I've ever read on here.

    Too many people avoid life these days.

    I watched this amazing documentary about people that stammered to the point they closed them selved off completly....

    Some of them were very intelligent people , one was a pharmacist and didnt want to answer phone or go to the counter ....

    Anyway they went off and got professional help and lived in this place for whole month .

    Anyway the result was astounding.... was very emotional seeing how they were made to face their fears and meet them head on.

    I cant stress enough that people should seek help for anything that holds them back from leading a happy life. It's ok to enjoy time on your own god dam everyone has that feeling ... but when you know you have a problem you really should try and seek help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    It's easier than ever for people who lack social skills to at least get by in life, if not exactly thrive.

    The internet definitely is a substitute for many for real life social interaction.

    We no longer depend on each other like we did when I was growing up, society is more atomised and I think there's less trust in society which is sad.

    There's so much pressure on young people to look a certain way, to achieve career and relationship milestones and social media makes it all the worse when it looks like everyone else is having a great time and successful.

    I was reading lately about how loneliness and isolation among young people is a problem, something I never considered really.

    It all feeds into how people perceive themselves and their self esteem, and that manifests itself in some as social awkwardness and diffidence.

    I'm quite the introvert myself but I'm happy being so. It might not be the most socially desirable way to be in this country but I don't care. One of the benefits of getting older. :)

    I don't think I'm socially awkward but am definitely much happier being with only one or two people than being out in big social groups or around noisy people. And it helps I'm happy with my own company, and I have some good friends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Doesnt sound like he is harming anyone else with his behaviour, live and let live, personally speaking I would take an introverts company anytime over some of the foghorn narcissists I've had to endure over the years, empty pots making most noise and all that.

    You are right, and I agree with everything you say. I'm an introvert myself and I've no problem on my own at all, but there has to be a balance. I think he's missed out a lot in some ways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    canonball5 wrote: »
    Most women are crazy and more men are going MGTOW, it's no surprise really!

    Incels. That's a thing too. Maybe get out and talk to real women, show them equal respect and kindness as you would expect to be treated, instead of getting your ideas about them from American emotionally stunted man children online who hate women because of their own insecurities and lack of self esteem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    TheFarrier wrote: »

    A lot of parents today seem to think their child is more special or sensitive than all others


    quite few threads seem to have same underline issue, if you have kids 14yo carried into late 20s slobbing around pc/internet as main interaction and world, without actually stepping outside - its bound to happen more.


    if you look back 40-50 years only way around someones day would been either interact or work around all hours to support oneself or become indepdendent, no sponging around tv or some other crap - which today works in reverse, when most are let go they cant handle any real world stress or solve issues and revert back to safety, as most get into real world without any skills.


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