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M5 · 19-07-2019 12:23pm

The reason you won't engage is you know where it leads.

The entire deck of cards can be undone by you and a pair of binoculars at the time I posted earlier today.

Overheal · 19-07-2019 12:24pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

I'm glad you raised this point, although it's a bit of a stretch to compare a can in a living room to a vessel in space, but it still gets the message across.

Aluminium cans are actually rated very high for pressure, (as your numbers show) so I wouldn't assume that a space suit having to meet similar or less requirements would be in any way easy.

Lets go through this together and you can disagree with/correct any point I make. If we split this up into two situations, before the can explodes and after the can explodes. As we could apply the same concept to the two examples I made above (pressure inside the suit and the 2mm hole in the ISS)

Before can explodes: If there is 250 kPa of pressure inside the can and 1atm (101kPa) outside, this would be the equivalent of 149kPa or 149,000 Newtons/square meter of pressure acting on the internal wall of the can. Lets say a space suit has 1atm pressure inside and is in space, and for arguments sake has an internal surface area of 1 square metre. This means that there is 101,000 Newtons of pressure force acting on the wall of the space suit. Lets say you took 1 metre squared of the space suit fabric, asked two men to hold the corners, then exert 101,000 N of force on the material. This would be the equivalent of the men holding 1.01 tonnes of weight between them. Imagine the stretch that would cause on the material? No matter how strong or flexible it is, it would be impossible for a man to stretch it further in order to move.

After can explodes: If the can is made up of about 10% gas (33ml) at the point of failure, it makes for a pretty dramatic explosion as the pressure between the inside of the can and the pressure of the room equalise:

https://youtu.be/iYefnNghfsw?t=110

I can't even comprehend what would happen if you had vacuum a million times stronger in the infinitesimally sized room of space and had a 2mm hole in the ISS. It would make for a pretty violent explosion as the air tries to equalise.

It’s not a ‘multiplier’ my dude. It’s not a divide by zero thing. If I have 14.7 pounds per square inch of force against a surface with 0 psia on the other side, the force exerted on the surface is still 14.7 psi. Pressure vessels are used every day that can handle thousands of psi.

Now to your other point about a leak in the ISS: the atmosphere inside the ISS or an EVA suit isn’t carbonated. Let’s use a better example, an actual pressure vessel leak: it does not explode. You get a straightforward fluid mechanics problem about an ideal gas flowing from a relatively vast space at 14.7 psi through a 2mm hole to another vast space at 0 psi. No so more does a submarine implode from a leak at several atmospheres of pressure.

All we have here is an appeal to incredulity because of a fundamental lack of understanding of fluid mechanics and mechanics of materials. Since you brought it up: what, exactly, is your engineering background?

M5 · 19-07-2019 12:24pm

You said that seeing the ISS at all was impossible earlier. Now it's "probably a plane"

Do you admit you were incorrect initially?

Overheal · 19-07-2019 12:27pm

That would have to be a really fast plane that actually does defy the laws of aerodynamics.

skerry · 19-07-2019 12:28pm

Are you also saying the shuttle program was faked, I'm guessing yes seeing as you don't believe the ISS is actually up there?

King Mob · 19-07-2019 12:28pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Well fortunately, this is an open forum, and I don't have to stick to your rules.

You don't have to, no.
But it makes it a bit clear to everyone that you are not able to address the most basic questions put to you and you are not honest enough to just admit that.

bfa1509 wrote: »

I understand why most people are upset about what I'm saying. I was a fan of all things space related a few years back and I probably would have been offended too if someone told me it was all fake. That was until I saw a few bizarre pieces of footage from the moonlanding that were in no way convincing. And I slowly started to find that reading into the whole hoax was far more interesting than anything else.
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None of these things stand up to scrutiny.
Much like your claim about retroflectors and the ISS, they are debunked with seconds of google research.

bfa1509 · 19-07-2019 12:28pm

M5 wrote: »

The op calling verifiable experiments hearsay while quoting directly from conspiracy websites is delicious when you think about it

I didn't quote from a single conspiracy website

M5 wrote: »

YouTube a peer reviewed source now?

This is hillarious

You havent' presented a single scientific article supporting your arguments.

M5 wrote: »

The reason you won't engage is you know where it leads.

I know exactly where it leads. And I am very comfortable with my position.

But bring on the insults. It shows your level of comfort with your own belief.

King Mob · 19-07-2019 12:36pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

This video is sensationalist garbage.

The first actual piece of evidence is the Van Allen belts.
The argument seems to be that any amount of radiation is lethal.
He offers no facts or figures to explain how much radiation astronauts might experience. No conspiracy theorist who makes this claim ever seems to be able to supply figures, yet are completely confident that it's a lethal dose.
Weird that.

The next few points are about the common conspiracy cannards about photos: Crosshairs and non parallel shadows. Debunked long, long ago.

The next point is that we haven't seen the artefacts left on the moon, which is a bald faced lie. We have.

The last is just opinion asserted as fact.

If this video is in anyway convincing to anyone, I have a few bridges I need to sell.

M5 · 19-07-2019 12:38pm

I have seen it myself, with my eyes. I'm not paid by NASA nor do I have any links with NASA or any ancillary organisations. Yet somehow I can see with my scope the iss in the sky. Its not a plane, it is a satellite (despite you earlier saying "it could be a satellite" which was about the only correct thing you have said in this thread, even if you didn't mean it as such)

M5 · 19-07-2019 12:40pm

YouTube video is HERESAY! (To use op's terminology)

facehugger99 · 19-07-2019 12:43pm

Overheal wrote: »

Since you brought it up: what, exactly, is your engineering background?

I think he may have changed the windscreen wiper blades on a car once.

M5 · 19-07-2019 12:47pm

Whatever the engineering background is, they accept YouTube as a source apparently!

soups05 · 19-07-2019 1:09pm

Ah lads, your being too harsh on the op. He has an engineering background......which I take to mean he has a cool engineering pic as his desktop background.

storker · 19-07-2019 1:14pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

And I slowly started to find that reading into the whole hoax was far more interesting than anything else.

Yes it probably is more interesting, unfortunately more interesting != true.

I'm now speaking to any interested, open-minded lurkers. This video is a good place to start:

That video is a terrible place to start...his first piece of evidence is motive, which proves nothing one way or the other. So...1:17 minutes into a 5:47 minute video, and no evidence yet.

Next concerns about a soviet missile base on the moon. Possibly true, but definitely irrelevant. Now he's listing lost cosmonauts, Gus Grissom, and the fact that the Russians had an early lead in the space race.

1/3 of the way into the video now, and still no evidence, just debunked claims. The only thing he's proved is how little he knows about computing because apparently, 16-bit computers couldn't have done it.

Van Allen belts - debunked ages ago.
Photo "evidence" - debunked ages ago.

Oh...Gus Grissom was murdered for doubting the moon project apparently. "There's a conspiracy theory about it" he says. The same guy who started his video by claiming not to be a conspiracy theorist, is citing as evidence...another conspiracy theory. Wow...how could anyone fail to be convinced by this?

Over the halfway point now, and still waiting for something other than a claim.

Photo crosshairs - debunked ages ago.
Shadows - debunked ages ago

1 minute to go, but I've wasted enough time on this nonsense already. If the OP is a conspiracy theorist then he's either a very bad one, or this whole thread is a wind-up, which is what I suspect.

storker · 19-07-2019 1:14pm

soups05 wrote: »

Ah lads, your being too harsh on the op. He has an engineering background......which I take to mean he has a cool engineering pic as his desktop background.

Sanitation engineer is my guess.

Dohnjoe · 19-07-2019 2:00pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Firstly, I don't have to do anything before moving onto my next point, you don't have the power to dictate the confines of this thread. Although I can see why you would, because you aren't comfortable with discussing the other swaths of evidence against the moonlandings (most of which I haven't even mentioned yet).

I already said that the ISS crossing overhead could be anything, a satellite, a plane, a balloon. And with regard the retroreflectors, the only evidence you have is based on hearsay.

The biggest smoking gun of all should be NASA's own admission that we haven't been passed low earth orbit or the Van Allen Belts. But I guess you want me to come back and address your first two points before I'm allowed move on to this, eh?

You are claiming that man didn't land on the moon and you also seem to be claiming that the ISS doesn't exist

These are absolutely extraordinary claims, so it's not surprising posters have questions for you

If you are deflecting away from those questions and trying to bury the debate in your subjective understanding (or non-understanding) of physics/engineering/space then this will go round in circles

This is why posters are asking you to address the glaring faults in the basic logic and critical thinking behind your claims first

I already have dozens of questions/points that immediately spring to mind, but apparently there is a queue..

Dohnjoe · 19-07-2019 2:11pm

skerry wrote: »

Are you also saying the shuttle program was faked, I'm guessing yes seeing as you don't believe the ISS is actually up there?

If we are to entertain this, then yes the shuttle program would have to have been fake

Which would also mean that all 220 crew from a multitude of nations who have gone to the ISS are fake, that every single space agency is in on this, that all edit: 6 moon landings were flawlessly faked, that the US and Russia cooperated for decades on this inside job (despite being a total odds with each other), that Apollo 13 was faked, that literally millions of astronomers, engineers, physicists, crew, staff, scientists over decades are either stupid or in on this "grande conspiracy"

Or

Someone on the internet with low critical thinking believes in a zany theory they saw on youtube (or is a windup merchant)

bfa1509 · 19-07-2019 3:19pm

Overheal wrote: »

It’s not a ‘multiplier’ my dude. It’s not a divide by zero thing. If I have 14.7 pounds per square inch of force against a surface with 0 psia on the other side, the force exerted on the surface is still 14.7 psi. Pressure vessels are used every day that can handle thousands of psi.

Nice deflection on the maths "my dude". So you agree that there is 14.7 psi of pressure inside the space suit? (14.7 psi = 101,000 N/m^2, which would be the equivalent of 1.1 tonnes of mass resting on a 1m^2 piece of fabric) No human could ever maneuver inside a fabric under that much tension.

facehugger99 · 19-07-2019 3:28pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Which would also mean that all 220 crew from a multitude of nations who have gone to the ISS are fake, that every single space agency is in on this, that all 4 moon landings were flawlessly faked, that the US and Russia cooperated for decades on this inside job (despite being a total odds with each other), that Apollo 13 was faked, that literally millions of astronomers, engineers, physicists, crew, staff, scientists over decades are either stupid or in on this "grande conspiracy"

6.

Dohnjoe · 19-07-2019 3:35pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Nice deflection on the maths "my dude". So you agree that there is 14.7 psi of pressure inside the space suit? (14.7 psi = 101,000 N/m^2, which would be the equivalent of 1.1 tonnes of mass resting on a 1m^2 piece of fabric) No human could ever maneuver inside a fabric under that much tension.

Why is any discussion of your personal interpretations (or misinterpretations) of pressures needed?

Here is a live stream on board the ISS
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html

How do you explain that? (made-up answers without evidence will be dismissed without evidence)

facehugger99 · 19-07-2019 3:37pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Nice deflection on the maths "my dude". So you agree that there is 14.7 psi of pressure inside the space suit? (14.7 psi = 101,000 N/m^2, which would be the equivalent of 1.1 tonnes of mass resting on a 1m^2 piece of fabric) No human could ever maneuver inside a fabric under that much tension.

The suits are depressurized to 4.3 psi. They also have hinges at all the movement joints.

Overheal · 19-07-2019 3:46pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Nice deflection on the maths "my dude". So you agree that there is 14.7 psi of pressure inside the space suit? (14.7 psi = 101,000 N/m^2, which would be the equivalent of 1.1 tonnes of mass resting on a 1m^2 piece of fabric) No human could ever maneuver inside a fabric under that much tension.

I mean your conversion from Newton’s to mass is incorrect, for a start. The tension in the material would at most be 101kPa, which is not earth shattering for material strengths. Aside from that, the nature of the material means as you move your appendages the suit layers fold and bend, it’s not a mechanically intensive locomotion on the material. The pressure in the suit (and the exertion on the interior surfaces) does not change dramatically if you bend a finger: sort of like how there’s no blood pressure difference when you wiggle your fingers. The EVA suit is already in an equilibrium: the pressure is reacted upon by the aforementioned stiffness and tensions and the suit and fabric. Certainly, it’s more difficult to work in an EVA suit than garden gloves but it’s still possible. And, demonstrably, they do. Your claim that they couldn’t possibly do this is baseless, as it happens on a routine basis.

skerry · 19-07-2019 4:07pm

No answer from OP on my question re shutte program, but as poster above said if implication is that ISS is a fake, then I'd have to assume the same implication is directed towards the shuttle program.

Reason I ask is that if the above is true, then I've just learned from reading this thread that 2 years of my life was a complete lie, staged by the US government to trick a poor Irish researcher, which is after putting a downer on my weekend to say the least.

I've spent 2 years working in Kennedy Space Centre on life science projects related to the space program. During that time I've seen 3 shuttle launches first hand with my very own eyes.

The shuttles in question most definitely entered Earth orbit, docked with the ISS and returned. I know this because a) I seen them launch and b) because I was involved in projects that ranged from collecting the rubbish (including the nappies the astronauts wear while suited up waiting for launch) which was returned from the ISS when the shuttle returned and testing the effects of microgravity on microbes, to collecting astronaut piss and working on recycling it into clean drinkable water.

I've also worked with life science researchers who have devoted most of their career to the space program and spoke to at least one astronaut who's a veteran a several space walks.

So either all the people I met over those 2 years were actors and the whole thing was somehow staged, or the space program, shuttles, ISS and all that goes with it are real things. I know which one I believe.

No offence by the way OP, just speaking from my own experiences.

The Nal · 19-07-2019 4:09pm

skerry wrote: »

No answer from OP on my question re shutte program, but as poster above said if implication is that ISS is a fake, then I'd have to assume the same implication is directed towards the shuttle program.

Reason I ask is that if the above is true, then I've just learned from reading this thread that 2 years of my life was a complete lie, staged by the US government to trick a poor Irish researcher, which is after putting a downer on my weekend to say the least.

I've spent 2 years working in Kennedy Space Centre on life science projects related to the space program. During that time I've seen 3 shuttle launches first hand with my very own eyes.

The shuttles in question most definitely entered Earth orbit, docked with the ISS and returned. I know this because a) I seen them launch and b) because I was involved in projects that ranged from collecting the rubbish (including the nappies the astronauts wear while suited up waiting for launch) which was returned from the ISS when the shuttle returned and testing the effects of microgravity on microbes, to collecting astronaut piss and working on recycling it into clean drinkable water.

I've also worked with life science researchers who have devoted most of their career to the space program and spoke to at least one astronaut who's a veteran a several space walks.

So either all the people I met over those 2 years were actors and the whole thing was somehow staged, or the space program, shuttles, ISS and all that goes with it are real things. I know which one I believe.

Thats exactly the sort of thing a conspirator would say.

skerry · 19-07-2019 4:13pm

The Nal wrote: »

Thats exactly the sort of thing a conspirator would say.

Rumbled

Dohnjoe · 19-07-2019 4:16pm

The Nal wrote: »

Thats exactly the sort of thing a conspirator would say.

The part I'm having trouble with: What's the motive for this mega global decades long conspiracy?

Every time a new president or prime minister is elected are they formally handed a piece of paper which reads: "Yo, we gotta keep this whole history of man in space hoax going, they still believe it, lol"

The Nal · 19-07-2019 4:23pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The part I'm having trouble with: What's the motive for this mega global decades long conspiracy?

Something to do with beating the Soviets, beating communism, not being shown up by the Soviets, NASA funding...

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Every time a new president or prime minister is elected are they formally handed a piece of paper which reads: "Yo, we gotta keep this whole history of man in space hoax going, they still believe it, lol"

I assume Skerry got that piece of paper too and has since signed his life away to the lizard people.

bfa1509 · 19-07-2019 4:29pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

The suits are depressurized to 4.3 psi. They also have hinges at all the movement joints.

The rehashed space suits are depressurised and have hinges. The first spacesuits (i.e. during the "moonlandings") were at 1atm and had no hinges, shells, or anything else to maintain the flexibility during the space walk.

Even at 4.3 psi, this would be the equivalent of 296Kg of mass resting on 1 m^2 of fabric

Overheal wrote: »

I mean your conversion from Newton’s to mass is incorrect, for a start.

What's incorrect about it?

Overheal wrote: »

The tension in the material would at most be 101kPa, which is not earth shattering for material strengths.

You're right, most materials can go to MPa or even GPa before failure but 101kPa on a material is a stress that is far beyond that which humans can manipulate further

Overheal wrote: »

Aside from that, the nature of the material means as you move your appendages the suit layers fold and bend, it’s not a mechanically intensive locomotion on the material.

The nature of the material is irrelevant. 101Kpa is the same when it's on latex, kevlar or steel. The material still has to resist it, and there is no way it can remain flexible under this pressure. When you move you cause a volume change in the suit, which means compressing the air inside even further. No human could compress anything that has 101Kpa already inside it.

Dohnjoe · 19-07-2019 4:29pm

The Nal wrote: »

Something to do with beating the Soviets, beating communism, not being shown up by the Soviets, NASA funding...

Yup but the "man can't go into space" and "ISS doesn't exist" theories presented here would mean the Soviet and modern Russia was in on it too, and working with the Americans.. and everyone else, in a sort of mass global conspiracy

Or as I like to call it the "I can't possibly be wrong, therefore it's the world that's wrong" type of theory

The Nal · 19-07-2019 4:31pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yup but the "man can't go into space" and "ISS doesn't exist" theories presented here would mean the Soviet and modern Russia was in on it too, and working with the Americans.. and everyone else, in a sort of mass global conspiracy

Or as I like to call it the "I can't possibly be wrong, therefore it's the world that's wrong" type of theory

Oh sure yeah, thats just silly, simple as that.

Its a global conspiracy that would have to involve millions with not one person spilling the beans or slipping up.

Yet people believe it.

odyssey06 · 19-07-2019 4:34pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yup but the "man can't go into space" and "ISS doesn't exist" theories presented here would mean the Soviet and modern Russia was in on it too, and working with the Americans.. and everyone else, in a sort of mass global conspiracy

And now the Chinese would have to be in on it too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_astronauts

There are others here better placed to deal with the scientific evidence, but to me politically it doesn't stand up to scrutiny either (in a way it might if only the US had space launches).

Dr. Bre · 19-07-2019 4:36pm

Don’t forget those North Koreans ..

Overheal · 19-07-2019 4:37pm

What's incorrect about it?

Ok... what is your engineering background? Super curious now.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 4:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The part I'm having trouble with: What's the motive for this mega global decades long conspiracy?

Every time a new president or prime minister is elected are they formally handed a piece of paper which reads: "Yo, we gotta keep this whole history of man in space hoax going, they still believe it, lol"

UFO believers were ridiculed for decades by Skeptics and official media. People like you said there nothing happening.

Now we have reached a stage the official media openly discusses sightings by military pilots and they are describing craft that defy physics. Even congress members are now briefed on it.

UFO believers faced the overwhelming concensus that was all nonsense. US Navy not is openly saying their pilots have seen unusual flying objects. I just pointing out norms change and official narratives are not always the truth.

Here, i find it hard to believe, this could be staged forever. Too many countries have space programs and be find hard to keep a lid on leaks if no man ever went to Space or the moon.

Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin was not American, he was born in Russia and if spacetravel was impossible his trip to space if fake would have leaked out by now.

The Nal · 19-07-2019 4:46pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

UFO believers were ridiculed for decades by Skeptics and official media. People like you said there nothing happening.

Now we have reached a stage the official media openly discusses sightings by military pilots and they are describing craft that defy physics. Even congress members are now briefed on it.

UFO believers faced the overwhelming concensus that was all nonsense. US Navy not is openly saying their pilots have seen unusual flying objects. I just pointing out norms change and official narratives are not always the truth.

There have been UFO sightings for decades. And there will continue to be. UFOs exist. The problem is the the real nutters assume and infer that its aliens where the more likely reality, considering where the majority of these sightings happen - near military research centres are military experiments.

So not aliens, but test aircraft and drones.

Interesting stat, the nearest possible system that may support life is 4 light years away. The New Horizons probe travels at 36,373 mph which is Mach 47 so it would take the probe 80,000 years to reach that system.

So its very unlikely anyone has made it to earth. And I do believe theres other life out there. Statistically its very likely.

joe40 · 19-07-2019 4:53pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

I have an engineering background, and quite frankly, I can't believe any human ever got to space (or at least got to space and returned alive), let alone the moon landings. It breaks too many physical and thermodynamic laws, especially with the near perfect vacuum that is supposedly up there. (I can go at it with any opposers who are willing to spend the energy!!)

I very subtly and carefully hinted my doubts to some, close, considerate people I know and the one argument they always come up with is that too many people would have to keep it secret, thousands of people. This simply isn't true, the whole space program contracts all the projects out to 3rd party contractors who fulfil a specific project. All of these then converge together to form the program. Very few people need to be "in on it". And even if they blew the whistle, nobody would believe them.

You claim the moon landing were hoax, and you use your "engineering background" to support this assertion.
There are literally millions of people with engineering backgrounds some to a very high level. These people are all privvy to the knowledge you have.
Why are they not all convinced, like you are, that landings were a hoax. Based on their engineering knowledge.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 4:54pm

The Nal wrote: »

There have been UFO sightings for decades. And there will continue to be. UFOs exist. The problem is the the real nutters assume and infer that its aliens where the more likely reality, considering where the majority of these sightings happen - near military research centres are military experiments.

So not aliens, but test aircraft and drones.

Military pilots are decribing disk like objects in the sky and below water. There not a chance in hell the United States has technology like this. Craft going from 60,000 feet to a few thousand feet in matters of seconds would kill a human pilot. The Nimitz battlegroup recorded this all on radar the objects doing this during a classified test.

Why would the US Navy investigate itself? Why would congress need to be debriefed about incursions?

Navy even announced they had updated their guidelines for pilots so they report them and not face riduicule and career damage.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/us-navy-ufo-guidelines/index.html

The Nal · 19-07-2019 4:57pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why would the US Navy investigate itself? Why would congress need to be debriefed about incursions?

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 5:04pm

The Nal wrote: »

Trump was asked about this recently, couple of weeks ago, and not shocking he does not much about the topic. At least he admits he has been told this is happening, he got a briefing on it.

odyssey06 · 19-07-2019 5:07pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Military pilots are decribing disk like objects in the sky and below water. There not a chance in hell the United States has technology like this. Craft going from 60,000 feet to a few thousand feet in matters of seconds would kill a human pilot. The Nimitz battlegroup recorded this all on radar the objects doing this during a classified test.
Why would the US Navy investigate itself? Why would congress need to be debriefed about incursions?
Navy even announced they had updated their guidelines for pilots so they report them and not face riduicule and career damage.

It was during a test of the radar \ aerial defence system.
These reports seem to have started coming in since that new system was activated by the US military. All credit to the system, but I'd be very surprised if it's such an upgrade it can now pickup previously undetected advanced alien spacecraft.
So, they are UFOs.
It's waaay too early to say to say they are UFOs of alien origin.

King Mob · 19-07-2019 5:15pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

The rehashed space suits are depressurised and have hinges. The first spacesuits (i.e. during the "moonlandings") were at 1atm and had no hinges, shells, or anything else to maintain the flexibility during the space walk.

Even at 4.3 psi, this would be the equivalent of 296Kg of mass resting on 1 m^2 of fabric

What's incorrect about it?

You're right, most materials can go to MPa or even GPa before failure but 101kPa on a material is a stress that is far beyond that which humans can manipulate further

The nature of the material is irrelevant. 101Kpa is the same when it's on latex, kevlar or steel. The material still has to resist it, and there is no way it can remain flexible under this pressure. When you move you cause a volume change in the suit, which means compressing the air inside even further. No human could compress anything that has 101Kpa already inside it.

So how can people open soda cans?

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 5:16pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It was during a test of the radar \ aerial defence system.
These reports seem to have started coming in since that new system was activated by the US military. All credit to the system, but I'd be very surprised if it's such an upgrade it can now pickup previously undetected advanced alien spacecraft.
So, they are UFOs.
It's waaay too early to say to say they are UFOs of alien origin.

The objects were tracked by multiple US warships. Nimitz battlegroup has many ships. Every radar picked them up. One operator in radio interview said during a radio show, they even shut down the radar to see if there was a problem, after a reboot objects were still on screen. It was not just a radar sighting, planes took off from the carrier to engage the targets and objects were spotted eyes on by multiple pilots, some of have already come forward and have briefed congress members. The object had no sign of propulsion, no exhaust nothing. It was just a big silver object with no propulsion doing incredible speeds in the sky. The pilots were flying modern advanced aircraft and not could keep up.

M5 · 19-07-2019 5:21pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

You havent' presented a single scientific article supporting your arguments.

The default position is backed up by 100s of peer reviewed studies including the experiment itself.

Your position is backed up by YouTube

Muppet Man · 19-07-2019 5:40pm

OP - I have no engineering background and would probably be supportive of your stance if the yanks only landed once. That would have won them the space race. It makes no sense to fake it 6 times....

That aside you do need to address overhwelming evidence, like photographic evidence of the moon landings from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - here, images of all the Apollo craft and even images of the tracks left behind from the lunar exploration vehicle that they had:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery/apollo-11-lander-spotted-by-lunar-satellite/

How did they get there?

Muppets man

PS masterful trolling though... lol

storker · 19-07-2019 5:49pm

The Nal wrote: »

Something to do with beating the Soviets, beating communism, not being shown up by the Soviets

And yet, when the Americans faked the moon landings, the Soviets, with international prestige at stake, said...nothing, even though they had already sussed out that getting to the moon was impossible.

19-07-2019 6:40pm

storker wrote: »

Sanitation engineer is my guess.

Someone that takes the piss?

Yip, that tracks.

M5 · 19-07-2019 6:59pm

Still waiting for moon retro reflectors do be "debunked" OP.

Kindof a trump card unless you can rebuff (funnily enough the exact reason they put them (note plural) there)

cuppa · 19-07-2019 10:22pm

Love this video.
"An amazing documentary on the Apollo navigation system and on-board computer."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ1O0XR_cA0

Cork Boy 53 · 19-07-2019 11:05pm

Along with all his other off the wall posts, the OP also stated that NASA admitted that humans have never flown beyond low Earth orbit or past the Van Allen belts. I would love to see evidence of this claim but I would hazard a guess that none will be forthcoming from the OP.

19-07-2019 11:07pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Along with all his other off the wall posts, the OP also stated that NASA admitted that humans have never flown beyond the Van Allen belts. I would love to see evidence of this claim but I suspect that none will be forthcoming from the OP.

He has gone quiet, so he might have been banned from all social media for not tidying his bedroom.

Hoaxesssss innnnn Spaaaaaace

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