LL wants to move back.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 5:38pm #1

Many thanks, much appreciated.

ross2010 · 28-11-2018 5:50pm

Firstly if you have a lease then he cannot give notice during the term of the lease. LL has to wait until lease expires. So if your lease not up until summer and as you say you are 18 months in the property then you have until lease expires (spring/summer 2019) until he can serve notice. At which point you will be 2 yrs in the property so will be entitled to 8 weeks written notice. I would recommend you contact your landlord and tell them your concerns and you may come to an amicable arrangement. Regardless he cannot serve notice until the end of your fixed term lease...so assuming you signed a lease you should check dates and know that the earliest is 8 weeks thereafter assuming its 2 yrs at that point.

Just to add, on reading your post it seems its rumours you have heard. Perhaps they are untrue. And it may just be that. So saying the LL is being really unfair at this point, when you have 6 months left on your lease, and LL hasn't done anything yet is perhaps you being unfair. I would say communicate with your LL and try to get clarity on the situation going forward so that you can move forward.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 5:53pm

ross2010 wrote: »

Firstly if you have a lease then he cannot give notice during the term of the lease. LL has to wait until lease expires. So if your lease not up until summer and as you say you are 18 months in the property then you have until lease expires (spring/summer 2019) until he can serve notice. At which point you will be 2 yrs in the property so will be entitled to 8 weeks written notice. I would recommend you contact your landlord and tell them your concerns and you may come to an amicable arrangement. Regardless he cannot serve notice until the end of your fixed term lease...so assuming you signed a lease you should check dates and know that the earliest is 8 weeks thereafter assuming its 2 yrs at that point.

Thank you, I wasn’t aware of that. I think we signed a lease for 2years, I can’t remember though, it could have been one year then moved to a part 4 tenancy I believe? I’ll have to check.

Fian · 28-11-2018 5:56pm

I'm sorry to hear you are in such a stressful situation, especially in the run up to christmas. However you seem to suggest you have a lease until the summer. If your landlord does decide he wants to move back into the house he has rentde to you there is plenty of time to give you notice between now and then surely? He/She may not have fully decided to move back into the house and in any case you have plenty of time to make arrangements between now and summer. A landlord can give notice under a part IV tenancy if they require a property for their own use, but this does not allow them to break a lease early.

Why don't you write to your landlord and ask if the rumours you have heard are true? If they are ask the landlord whether they are willing to allow you to break the lease early if you find alternative accomodation. They would be foolish not to in order to avoid a risk that you illegally overhold when notice is served on you.

You can in any case effecively walk away from the lease if you find someone willing to have the lease assigned to them for the remainder of your lease. so if you find alternative accomodation it should be reasonably possible for you to avoid double rent payments. Particularly if your current lease is below market rent as you suggest.

good luck.

edit: I took a call halfway through responding to this. Seems the same advice already given, but anyway I will leave it here.

Pelvis · 28-11-2018 5:58pm

There is literally zero point in even thinking about a scenario that hasn't happened yet and which you don't actually know will happen.

Walter Bishop · 28-11-2018 6:04pm

'He who forsees disaster suffers it twice over' - why don't you try to put this aside and wait until and if you hear from the landlord?

ross2010 · 28-11-2018 6:06pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

Thank you, I wasn’t aware of that. I think we signed a lease for 2years, I can’t remember though, it could have been one year then moved to a part 4 tenancy I believe? I’ll have to check.

Thats important. Because if you haven't a current signed lease then the LL can give notice at any point in time. If you have a signed fixed term they have to wait until the end of the fixed term which gives you wiggle room to find somewhere. And most likely you could negotiate an early exit from it if it coincides with your landlords plans. But I will say again, talk to your LL as they may have no intention of moving back to the house and it might just be local talk.

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 6:06pm

I would check your contract and see what lengthnyour contract is. Tbh. It looks like you answered your own question.

You can’t ask your ll as you would break your friends trust in good conscience.

You can’t give notice early as you will looose your deposit(unless your only under part 4 now and out of fixed term lease) even under a fixed term lease. Your ll is meant to mitigate losses and refund you the balance.

Your ll won’t tell you as he wants as much as possible.

I don’t think the ll is being unfair here and you already know why he hasn’t told you yet. It also sounds like it might be a legit eviction with honest intentions.

Personally given what you have provided and lack of suitable accommodation, I would potentially start looking ASAP if your gut tells you you will be getting your notice. You might loose your deposit but it’s better than being homeless.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 6:22pm

Car99 · 28-11-2018 6:23pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

'He who forsees disaster suffers it twice over' - why don't you try to put this aside and wait until and if you hear from the landlord?

What about preparation mitigates to some extent the effects of the disaster.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 6:29pm

ross2010 · 28-11-2018 6:38pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

Yes unfortunately it was only a 12 month lease so we are on a part 4 now.

What we heard came from a reliable source so we’re pretty confident it’s happening, we just don’t want the source taking the flack as it’s not common knowledge and would be traced back to them.
We can’t really approach the LL and say what we’ve heard as a result, but we have gone through the agent to enquire about extending our tenancy past summer but they haven’t heard back from the LL either.
We believe we are getting the run around because LL doesn’t want to lose rent if we have to leave early. Which is lousy really, if he had any decency he’d give us a heads up
We may have to just ask straight out after Christmas if he’s not forthcoming with information and just rely on his honesty then that he’s telling us the truth.

One of the risks of renting is that you will be asked to leave. If you believe this is a certainty then sadly it seems to be the case, and at the moment as you have no signed lease you are on a month to month basis and therefore by your length of tenancy it does seem like 6 weeks notice. Does your source indicate when they believe the owner will want to move back? If you have contact details for the landlord I would contact them directly to request a renewal of lease and see where it goes from there, also state that security for family is key for you and kids in school in area so would appreciate the assurance of a fixed term lease. The letting agent prob isn't chasing things up. The landlord may not want to show their cards but if they do intend moving back in the summer they could at least grant you the assurance of that.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 7:06pm

Pelvis · 28-11-2018 7:17pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

Exactly. We can’t afford to sit around and wait for them to give us the legal 6 weeks notice as we will never find a suitable property in that time.

Unless you plan on finding a place and moving before any notice is given, then you don't really have any choice in the matter.

The_Conductor · 28-11-2018 7:20pm

If you're on Part IV- you effectively can go and seek alternate accommodation yourself- and give your landlord your requisite notice.
It would be nice to formally have notice of the landlord's intent- however, July is a long time away- you effectively have 7 months in which to find somewhere.......?

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 7:46pm

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 7:50pm

Mrs OBumble · 28-11-2018 7:55pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

I need to win the lotto, I can’t keep up the uncertainty of renting, it’s mentally exhausting, the threat of eviction hanging over us all the time.

Are you on the council housing list? If not - get on it ASAP. If you are low income, then its the solution to your issue. (Granted its not working so well ... but it is the official solution).

Or if you're earning too much for that, focus on getting an even better job so you can think about buying.

tretorn · 28-11-2018 8:00pm

You are renting which means you have to fit in with the landlords plans for his or her family.

And, No, there is no way you can stay in the property once you are given the required notice to move.

I have a house rented that I will need back for a family member. I rang the RTB about the lease which is up soon and was advised not to sign another lease. I understood that if a property is required by a landlord for a family member then you can require the tenant to vacate the property given proper notice. I didnt realise a tenant could stay in the house until the lease was up even if a family member needed the house.

I am not going to enter into another lease agreement and I will tell the tenant(if he asks) that the house will be required back within the next four or five months, ie another house will be put up for sale and once that goes through the house the tenant is in will be lived in byy a family member.

I feel a certain sympathy for the tenant but my priority is my own family and once the house sale goes through we will advise the tenant to look for somewhere else.

The landlord, ie me isnt required to be forthcoming about plans, I am obliged to give the tenant 42 days notice so thats what I will do. The tenant isnt going to give a rats ass about me once he decides to move on so why should I be guilted into caring about his circumstances. I want to see the rent going into the bank account as long as possible so I wont be advising him he will most likely have to go property hunting again in six months.

Browney7 · 28-11-2018 8:15pm

tretorn wrote: »

You are renting which means you have to fit in with the landlords plans for his or her family.

And, No, there is no way you can stay in the property once you are given the required notice to move.

I have a house rented that I will need back for a family member. I rang the RTB about the lease which is up soon and was advised not to sign another lease. I understood that if a property is required by a landlord for a family member then you can require the tenant to vacate the property given proper notice. I didnt realise a tenant could stay in the house until the lease was up even if a family member needed the house.

I am not going to enter into another lease agreement and I will tell the tenant(if he asks) that the house will be required back within the next four or five months, ie another house will be put up for sale and once that goes through the house the tenant is in will be lived in byy a family member.

I feel a certain sympathy for the tenant but my priority is my own family and once the house sale goes through we will advise the tenant to look for somewhere else.

The landlord, ie me isnt required to be forthcoming about plans, I am obliged to give the tenant 42 days notice so thats what I will do. The tenant isnt going to give a rats ass about me once he decides to move on so why should I be guilted into caring about his circumstances. I want to see the rent going into the bank account as long as possible so I wont be advising him he will most likely have to go property hunting again in six months.

And when your tenant hasn't found somewhere by day 42 he'll have read up on his rights and would be a fool to make himself homeless. Could be a winning strategy for you or a penny wise pound foolish one

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:19pm

Browney7 wrote: »

And when your tenant hasn't found somewhere by day 42 he'll have read up on his rights and would be a fool to make himself homeless. Could be a winning strategy for you or a penny wise pound foolish one

Can you expand on those rights Browney? As we could be in the same situation. We can’t vacate our home if we have nowhere to go. What are our rights in that case??

tretorn · 28-11-2018 8:20pm

But what rights has he to read up on.

The RTB official told me its not necessary to have a lease at all, tenant has been in the property for less than a year so we need to give him 42 days notice. If he stays on after twelve months without a new lease then its still only forty two days notice.

Once the family member has sold their house they need the rented house back, they will have inherited this house so have the legal right to vacant possession. It seems pretty clear to me and I am hoping the tenant will vacate the house once he gets the required legal notice, surely he cant stay in the house once the owner wants possession for their own use.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:23pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Are you on the council housing list? If not - get on it ASAP. If you are low income, then its the solution to your issue. (Granted its not working so well ... but it is the official solution).

Or if you're earning too much for that, focus on getting an even better job so you can think about buying.

And where would you suggest we live in the meantime? While waiting for a non existent council house or applying for non existent higher paying jobs and saving to buy a house?!
If you can find a solution to that in the next 6mths then you’re a miracle worker.

Browney7 · 28-11-2018 8:26pm

tretorn wrote: »

But what rights has he to read up on.

The RTB official told me its not necessary to have a lease at all, tenant has been in the property for less than a year so we need to give him 42 days notice. If he stays on after twelve months without a new lease then its still only forty two days notice.

Once the family member has sold their house they need the rented house back, they will have inherited this house so have the legal right to vacant possession. It seems pretty clear to me and I am hoping the tenant will vacate the house once he gets the required legal notice, surely he cant stay in the house once the owner wants possession for their own use.

You just refuse to leave and dispute the validity of the notice and get a few months until an RTB adjudication hearing. Not that Ive ever done this nor am I advocating it but if a tenant refuses to leave after a valid termination notice it can be a pain to remove them - plenty LLs on here wax lyrical about similar situations.

Tenant of course ruins references and has an RTB hearing against them but it sure beats the street

tretorn · 28-11-2018 8:30pm

You are very foolish to get attached to a rented house, you will never have the right to live there unless you buy it off the owner.

You have been told unofficially what the landlords plans are so its up to you now to find sommewhere else to live.

I certainly dont want my tenants thinking they can stay in my house because they cant find somewhere else to live, I will give them the required notice and after that my responsibility ends.

I told the family solicitor I was renting the house and he said " how will you get them Out". We have had a family bereavement and the last thing we need now is tenants over holding so I am hoping they will go without stressing us too much.

I will print off statutory forms off the RTB website and make sure that the termination of the tenancy is watertight legal.

If tenant overstays the notice then they are illegally occupying the property and I will refuse to give them a reference.

Pelvis · 28-11-2018 8:33pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

And where would you suggest we live in the meantime? While waiting for a non existent council house or applying for non existent higher paying jobs and saving to buy a house?!
If you can find a solution to that in the next 6mths then you’re a miracle worker.

Did you consider any of this when kid number 1 turned up? How about kid number 2? Kid number 3??

Maybe stop having kids.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:33pm

tretorn wrote: »

You are very foolish to get attached to a rented house, you will never have the right to live there unless you buy it off the owner.

You have been told unofficially what the landlords plans are so its up to you now to find sommewhere else to live.

I certainly dont want my tenants thinking they can stay in my house because they cant find somewhere else to live, I will give them the required notice and after that my responsibility ends.

I told the family solicitor I was renting the house and he said " how will you get them Out". We have had a family bereavement and the last thing we need now is tenants over holding so I am hoping they will go without stressing us too much.

Well I suppose the decent thing to do then is give them as much notice as you can, taking into consideration the dire straits of the rental market and the difficulty in finding rental properties.

No they may have no right to stay in your property, but they also don’t deserve to be homeless all because the law only requires 42 day’s notice.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:35pm

Pelvis wrote: »

Did you consider any of this when kid number 1 turned up? How about kid number 2? Kid number 3??

Maybe stop having kids.

How is that relevant to the original post? Or helpful to the context of the post?

tretorn · 28-11-2018 8:42pm

What do you mean by pets, does the landlord know you have animals in his house.

We agreed to let the house to tenants even though we knew they had an old dog. We were told the dog would be confined to the kitchen and back garden. I drove by the house recently and the dog was up on the sofa looking out the living room window. The sofa wasnt that old but who wants to sit on a sofa someone elses dog has been on.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:49pm

tretorn wrote: »

What do you mean by pets, does the landlord know you have animals in his house.

We agreed to let the house to tenants even though we knew they had an old dog. We were told the dog would be confined to the kitchen and back garden. I drove by the house recently and the dog was up on the sofa looking out the living room window. The sofa wasnt that old but who wants to sit on a sofa someone elses dog has been on.

That’s unfortunate for you.

I’m not sure the terms of my tenancy are relevant to you actually, but all above board. As I said previously, we’ve been perfect tenants, in every property we’ve rented and have the references to prove it.
Perhaps there should be a requirement for LLs to provide references too these days, to prove they’re decent people.

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 8:50pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

Can you expand on those rights Browney? As we could be in the same situation. We can’t vacate our home if we have nowhere to go. What are our rights in that case??

This guy is talking about overstaying which is illegal and can’t be discussed on boards. You may also struggle to get a reference if you do this. Your name might be linked to RTB if a dispute is lodged and is viewable to the public(this is a handy tool for vetting against new tenants) - do not get to a situation where your doing this.

Your not stuck in limbo at the moment. You have 2 options as I see it.

Break your code of silence with your friend to confirm if the ll is moving back, the ll could still deny until he needs to officially notify you as it’s none of your business at the moment.

Be proactive and don’t mess around and start looking for a new place. Yes you might need to pay more but surely you can find somewhere else within 8months.

No point putting your head in the sand and running away from the hard answer. Go with your gut and stick with it. Everything will work out ok.

Browney7 · 28-11-2018 8:52pm

Fol20 wrote: »

This guy is talking about overstaying which is illegal and can’t be discussed on boards. You may also struggle to get a reference if you do this. Your name might be linked to RTB if a dispute is lodged so just be careful about thinking this way

I was more pointing out the pitfalls to a LL giving the minimum notice in the midst of a housing shortage.

It's also not illegal to dispute a termination notice is it?

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 8:56pm

Many thanks to all that have given useful information.
Here’s hoping things work out for us.

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 8:59pm

Browney7 wrote: »

I was more pointing out the pitfalls to a LL giving the minimum notice in the midst of a housing shortage.

It's also not illegal to dispute a termination notice is it?

I edited my original response to include some ramifications if done.

It is not illegal to dispute a termination notice if the dispute is valid. Based on the way you expressed it, it sounds like you want to lodge a dispute knowing full well that it is valid to buy more time for them so in effect overstaying. This auto correct on a phone is killing me with the way it phrased my words

The_Conductor · 28-11-2018 9:00pm

OP- you defacto have 7 months notice- you've been told the landlord is going to require the property from July 2019.
You do not have a formal notice from the landlord (yet)- though if you push the point he/she may give you formal notice- to ensure they have vacant possession by that time.

If you are unable to find alternate accommodation before the elapse of the notice period- the general advice (from Threshold) is to overhold- which is a breach of the Residential Tenancies Act- and if/when the landlord brings a case to the RTB- you will have a case lodged against you (the details of which will be on the RTB website).

If the landlord requires the property for his own use- unfortunately for you- he/she is entitled to his/her property- providing they give you proper notice- and there is no 'get-out' clause to allow you stay in the property.

Mrs Bumble has advised you apply to the local authority housing list- you should do this regardless of any factor (and totally ignoring whether or not there are in fact local authority/council properties available). Aside from any other reason- it unlocks eligibility for local authority housing schemes such as HAP.

I know its not a nice situation to be in- however, look at it as a 7 month notice- rather than antagonising the situation and precipitating an early serving of notice from the landlord. If you do manage to find somewhere else early- the fact that the landlord can't do a short term rental- is not your concern- as you don't have a lease- you're there on Part IV provisions- all you have to do is uphold your obligations under the Act.

I fully understand the position you're in- and appreciate that its highly stressful- however, you do have time on your side- 7 months- you *need* to use this time to the best advantage- and do your utmost to try and locate alternate accommodation- where-ever that may be.

I know this isn't what you want to hear- and I also know its a shock to the system- particularly in the run-up to Christmas- all I can say is I'm sorry I don't have better news for you.

Browney7 · 28-11-2018 9:01pm

Fol20 wrote: »

I edited my original response to include some ramifications if done.

It is not illegal to dispute a termination notice if the dispute is valid. Based on the way you expressed it, it sounds like you want to lodge a knowing full well that it is valid to buy more time for them so in affect overstaying

And the arbiter on the validity is the RTB - who knows, the op's LL might get it wrong ;-)

10pennymixup · 28-11-2018 9:02pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

Can you expand on those rights Browney? As we could be in the same situation. We can’t vacate our home if we have nowhere to go. What are our rights in that case??

Browney7 wrote: »

You just refuse to leave and dispute the validity of the notice and get a few months until an RTB adjudication hearing. Not that Ive ever done this nor am I advocating it but if a tenant refuses to leave after a valid termination notice it can be a pain to remove them - plenty LLs on here wax lyrical about similar situations.

Tenant of course ruins references and has an RTB hearing against them but it sure beats the street

Browney is not expanding on your rights here. He is explaining possible courses of action you could take after receiving a valid notice. Which are basically to frustrate the RTB adjudication and appeals process, and/ or illegally overhold.

Using the RTB process improperly to you own ends may get a bit more time.

Overhold and the LL has to go through the legal process to remove you. And as Browney says it can be a "real pain", and expensive for the LL.

In the case of a tenant that has little or no means, there is no point in the LL chasing the tenant for costs. In your case however..... property owner, employed, one or two cars......

Just one thing to consider.

And as a BTW, paying your rent on time is what you are supposed to do as a tenant, and does not make you a "perfect" tenant. It just doesn't make you a bad one.

And why are you editing/ deleting your posts????

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 9:05pm

Browney7 wrote: »

And the arbiter on the validity is the RTB - who knows, the op's LL might get it wrong ;-)

This goes back to a flaw in the system and is why ll complain so much about it. Yes it can be abused but your opening yourself up to being potentially blacklisted when your name is on the RTB website. If you know it’s a legit eviction, why fight it especially if it’s a legit eviction.

The_Conductor · 28-11-2018 9:06pm

Browney7 wrote: »

And the arbiter on the validity is the RTB - who knows, the op's LL might get it wrong ;-)

In which case- the landlord simply relodges the notice- the only stay will be the duration of the notice (which if he got it wrong the first time- presumably he'll/she'll cop on and get it right on a subsequent attempt). One way or another- you're only buying a couple of weeks- if it is a valid reason under the act to terminate the tenancy (which if the landlord requires the property him/herself- it is).

Unfortunately the landlord has to live somewhere themselves too. Its rearing its head quite a bit recently- as people who emigrated during the downturn and let out their homes- decide to come back- and sometimes long term tenants are being asked to vacate properties they had hoped would be their long term homes.

The_Conductor · 28-11-2018 9:07pm

Fol20 wrote: »

This goes back to a flaw in the system and is why ll complain so much about it. Yes it can be abused but your opening yourself up to being potentially blacklisted when your name is on the RTB website. If you know it’s a legit eviction, why fight it especially if it’s a legit eviction.

Just for reasons of clarity- its a termination of the tenancy- it is *not* an eviction- which is something else entirely.

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 9:09pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Just for reasons of clarity- its a termination of the tenancy- it is *not* an eviction- which is something else entirely.

Apologies. Your right.

Mrs OBumble · 28-11-2018 9:09pm

Renting2018 wrote: »

And where would you suggest we live in the meantime? While waiting for a non existent council house or applying for non existent higher paying jobs and saving to buy a house?!
If you can find a solution to that in the next 6mths then you’re a miracle worker.

Are you on the council housing list? How long have you been on it?

You say that council houses are non-existant but really they are scarce, not non-existent. You will not get one unless you are on the list though.

If you have to move out before finding somewhere else to go, you present yourself to the council as homeless. They have a legal requirement to accommodate you.

Get rid of the pets (if you cannot afford housing, you cannot afford to be feeding animals. Prepare the kids for the idea that they might be going to a different school next year. Yes, they'll whine about their friends. But there are new friends to be made, they'll get over it. Start looking for accommodation anywhere within reasonable commuting distance of your job.

And lose the attitude about no higher paying jobs. In a labour market with almost full employment, that's just BS.

Browney7 · 28-11-2018 9:09pm

Fol20 wrote: »

This goes back to a flaw in the system and is why ll complain so much about it. Yes it can be abused but your opening yourself up to being potentially blacklisted when your name is on the RTB website. If you know it’s a legit eviction, why fight it especially if it’s a legit eviction.

You are indeed putting a black mark against yourself (and I pointed this out) but if you are in a high demand area with a family you will struggle to compete against professionals but it sure beats the family hub or a b&b or emergency accomodation if you've no where to go.

Fol20 · 28-11-2018 9:13pm

Browney7 wrote: »

You are indeed putting a black mark against yourself (and I pointed this out) but if you are in a high demand area with a family you will struggle to compete against professionals but it sure beats the family hub or a b&b or emergency accomodation if you've no where to go.

Personally I’m open to family’s. It depends on the property and current standard of the property. Family will have greater wear and tear however there is less turnover and they tend to stay longer.

Renting2018 · 28-11-2018 9:21pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Are you on the council housing list? How long have you been on it?

You say that council houses are non-existant but really they are scarce, not non-existent. You will not get one unless you are on the list though.

If you have to move out before finding somewhere else to go, you present yourself to the council as homeless. They have a legal requirement to accommodate you.

Get rid of the pets (if you cannot afford housing, you cannot afford to be feeding animals. Prepare the kids for the idea that they might be going to a different school next year. Yes, they'll whine about their friends. But there are new friends to be made, they'll get over it. Start looking for accommodation anywhere within reasonable commuting distance of your job.

And lose the attitude about no higher paying jobs. In a labour market with almost full employment, that's just BS.

Gosh, life is so simple when you type it out like that isn’t it?

Rural Ireland, limited jobs, we earn just enough to not qualify for a council house, but not enough to pay any more rent than we already are, which has increased by €400 in 4yrs. We can feed our pets just fine, it’s finding a LL willing to rent to us is where they become an issue.

I’ll just tell the kids that as well as leaving behind the only life they’ve ever known, friends, school, now they have to leave their pets too?
Have you ever had to sit down and say such a thing to a six year old who is already crying that she has to leave her house again???

Do you ever think of the human beings behind the posts on this website. The mothers in tears because their lives are falling apart? When a real threat of homelessness is hanging over them, when every last cent they have is already accounted for and they have no idea who to turn to or who can help?

Lovely to see that Boards members are as compassionate as ever when it comes to the lives of people looking for some advice in a situation not of their own making.
I hope you feel good about the replies you post here and the effects they can have on the person reading them.

L1011 · 28-11-2018 9:23pm

Closing as thread incoherent with deleted posts now.

LL wants to move back.

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