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foreverandever · 06-04-2012 3:41pm

It is relatively easy to get onto the SHO surgical scheme in ireland, regardless what college you go. The only advice would be maybe do your surgical jobs the first six months of intern year so you have references from them in time for the interviews. To get onto the surgical SpR scheme is much more difficult but by that stage it won't matter about your college, it'll be about your sho jobs, your publishing, exams, masters etc. Regardless what college you go to there's nothing stopping you organising surgery placements during summers in other hospitals

GOING4BROKE · 06-04-2012 4:17pm

@foreverandever cheers thats an encouraging post. It is easy to get bogged down with some of the negative comments on this. My understanding is that it is the same degree at the end of the day regardless of how it was taught.

In that case getting into a good surgical scheme is based on building a CV that includes placements and any extra curricular work. Also on a side note there is nothing wrong with becoming a GP, for many people that don't want to study anymore and perhaps earn money sooner it is an ideal path.

Jammyc · 06-04-2012 6:20pm

Could a doctor/mod clarify this opinion of GPs and the supposed cushiness of their jobs (salaries/time/further learning etc.), rather than the plethora of student perspectives we've had? I'd like to hear what they think.

foreverandever · 06-04-2012 7:03pm

Jammyc wrote: »

Could a doctor/mod clarify this opinion of GPs and the supposed cushiness of their jobs (salaries/time/further learning etc.), rather than the plethora of student perspectives we've had? I'd like to hear what they think.

While I'm not a GP (yet!) both my parents are and one of my sisters. I used tell them about what consultants and students etc used say about GP and they only laughed. I wouldn't say their job is cushy at all but there is more of a work:life balance and it has plenty of other perks too. Students get worked up about it coz they spend all their time around consultants but if you were to revisit a medicine class 10-20 years down the line you'd be surprised how many are GPs!

ciara84 · 06-04-2012 8:22pm

Jammyc wrote: »

Could a doctor/mod clarify this opinion of GPs and the supposed cushiness of their jobs (salaries/time/further learning etc.), rather than the plethora of student perspectives we've had? I'd like to hear what they think.

there isn't any clarification needed, being a GP is a 9-5 job MOST of the time (there are agencies like south doc, east doc etc etc who have GPs on call so thats a deviation from the norm rather than the norm), if you work privately, you choose your own hours, how many patients you see, if you are a specialist, you cant really do that in most cases especially if you work in a hospital (private vs government doesnt really matter) there is a rota and you stick to it, 1 in 3, 1 in 4, and you're supposed to be accessible when you're on call. There are rare exceptions though with the likes of euro medic and all that they employ dermatologists/pain management specialists etc and basically give them a 9-5 jobs

foreverandever · 06-04-2012 8:44pm

ciara84 wrote: »

there isn't any clarification needed, being a GP is a 9-5 job MOST of the time (there are agencies like south doc, east doc etc etc who have GPs on call so thats a deviation from the norm rather than the norm), if you work privately, you choose your own hours, how many patients you see, if you are a specialist, you cant really do that in most cases especially if you work in a hospital (private vs government doesnt really matter) there is a rota and you stick to it, 1 in 3, 1 in 4, and you're supposed to be accessible when you're on call. There are rare exceptions though with the likes of euro medic and all that they employ dermatologists/pain management specialists etc and basically give them a 9-5 jobs

I would think it's very very very rarely a 9-5 job. Maybe in theory like hospital work but rarely would you be finished by 5. You see patients all day and have to do phonecalls, housecalls, paper work etc in your time

marmarr · 16-05-2012 8:52pm

Prospective UL GEMS students 2012
Hi, I'm the first year rep for GEMS students in UL in 2012...basically here to answer any questions UL kids have to ease the transition from life to UL GEMS life... I know it is early to be posting here, but my exams are coming up and then I'm off to SE Asia for the summer, so here is the link to the FB group which is there to provide a forum of contact with UL Med students...http://www.facebook.com/groups/201089616673238/
Best of luck to all of you with your futures in Medicine, be it in UL (daycent) or wherever you end up. Peace.

dmccormack01 · 22-05-2012 3:33pm

Does anyone have any info on the changes to the course/ improvements to come in when the new med building is finished?? if its already been discussed could somebody link me up! thanks!

spotsanddots · 09-06-2012 4:05pm

I like the whole idea of problem based learning! Even in my undergrad(just finished a week ago) I enjoyed when we were given titles of projects had to go away and prepare a presentation and be grilled by the lecturer. Its a really good way of learning.I have UL as my first choice but I'm fairly sure I won't get it this year

(score=54).
I was just looking up qualifax the other day and noticed that UL does not award a BAO. Is there any explanation for this?

arzieparzie · 21-06-2012 11:47am

spotsanddots wrote: »

I like the whole idea of problem based learning! Even in my undergrad(just finished a week ago) I enjoyed when we were given titles of projects had to go away and prepare a presentation and be grilled by the lecturer. Its a really good way of learning.I have UL as my first choice but I'm fairly sure I won't get it this year (score=54).
I was just looking up qualifax the other day and noticed that UL does not award a BAO. Is there any explanation for this?

I wouldn't be so sure about not getting into UL this year with 54.. I spoke to the UL admissions office and they told me that last year they actually accepted 53 so I wouldn't lose thope yet... also 54 is in a higher percentile than last year and I hear there are less applicants.... stay positive!

spotsanddots · 21-06-2012 3:45pm

arzieparzie wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about not getting into UL this year with 54.. I spoke to the UL admissions office and they told me that last year they actually accepted 53 so I wouldn't lose thope yet... also 54 is in a higher percentile than last year and I hear there are less applicants.... stay positive!

I was thinking that alright..There is a very slight increase in percentile scores alright. But the unfortunate thing is I am planning on studying for the GAMSAT in sept

just incase!

cliona88 · 09-07-2012 8:36pm

This question has probably already been answered here but i can't seem to find it. I'm wondering about how you're assessed for first and second year. Do you get marked on your contribution to pbl?

09-07-2012 8:47pm

cliona88 wrote: »

This question has probably already been answered here but i can't seem to find it. I'm wondering about how you're assessed for first and second year. Do you get marked on your contribution to pbl?

The assessment for the first two years are the same as most other uni's with Christmas/Summer written exams and an OSCE.

spotsanddots · 14-08-2012 4:00pm

Any idea if the new medical building will be opening this year? Had my first gawk around the campus today and it doesn't look like it will be ready

Also where abouts do current students have PBL classes and lectures?

nats89 · 15-08-2012 12:37pm

According to someone who was there last week it's meant to be ready by October. Not sure what the story is with lectures and PBL until then though. https://www.facebook.com/groups/201089616673238/ theres a bit more info on this FB page for the incoming students

spotsanddots · 15-08-2012 3:08pm

I hope we hear from UL soon

nats89 · 15-08-2012 9:32pm

spotsanddots wrote: »

I hope we hear from UL soon

yeah.. kinda ridiculous that they haven't even sent out something to say when fees will be due. Cutting it pretty short

lelouchan · 15-08-2012 10:48pm

nats89 wrote: »

spotsanddots wrote: »

I hope we hear from UL soon

yeah.. kinda ridiculous that they haven't even sent out something to say when fees will be due. Cutting it pretty short

They are probably waiting for other students to get their offers (Monday I believe)

spotsanddots · 16-08-2012 10:07am

I emailed them last week and they said we would receive an email early this week, and stuff in the post after the 20th of Aug (Round 1 offers)

cliona88 · 20-08-2012 1:03pm

Hey guys, I got a round 1 offer and I'm thrilled. I'm just wondering, have you gotten any information from UL yet? How do people manage with finding accommodation? I know there is a facebook page, I'm just waiting to be accepted to the group!

spotsanddots · 20-08-2012 1:21pm

cliona88 wrote: »

Hey guys, I got a round 1 offer and I'm thrilled. I'm just wondering, have you gotten any information from UL yet? How do people manage with finding accommodation? I know there is a facebook page, I'm just waiting to be accepted to the group!

spotsanddots wrote: »

I emailed them last week and they said we would receive an email early this week, and stuff in the post after the 20th of Aug (Round 1 offers)

Hope to hear from them this week!

cliona88 · 20-08-2012 1:24pm

Great thanks, I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed anything. Can't wait to start

raftni · 24-08-2012 12:22am

anyone who got in on 53 and 54.....you better have a phenomenal work ethic about you is all I'm going to say.

eire_245 · 24-08-2012 9:02am

raftni wrote: »

anyone who got in on 53 and 54.....you better have a phenomenal work ethic about you is all I'm going to say.

What about 55,56,57 and 58?? they should be good?

BarnhallBull · 24-08-2012 9:06am

raftni wrote: »

anyone who got in on 53 and 54.....you better have a phenomenal work ethic about you is all I'm going to say.

Good, no need to bother with you so.

eire_245 · 24-08-2012 9:08am

BarnhallBull wrote: »

Good, no need to bother with you so.

hahaha

chanste · 24-08-2012 9:16am

raftni wrote: »

anyone who got in on 53 and 54.....you better have a phenomenal work ethic about you is all I'm going to say.

You seem to be implying a large gap in intelligence between people who are separated by only a few points. I've seen people on my course that got scores in their 60s who are struggling every bit as much as I did with my 56 back in the day. GAMSAT is a single exam and a tough one at that. Scoring a 53 is a good score in my opinion and its unfortunate that so many people seem to talk about these entrants as if they are somehow retarded.

Remember in many cases the people getting near 53 would have been the people to get near 65 when they try the GAMSAT again.

For those who got in on a 53 congratulations, and don't pay attention to this kinda thing because in a few years (if you work as hard as anyone else on the course) no one will remember or care what score you got to get in.

raftni · 24-08-2012 12:16pm

chanste wrote: »

You seem to be implying a large gap in intelligence between people who are separated by only a few points. I've seen people on my course that got scores in their 60s who are struggling every bit as much as I did with my 56 back in the day. GAMSAT is a single exam and a tough one at that. Scoring a 53 is a good score in my opinion and its unfortunate that so many people seem to talk about these entrants as if they are somehow retarded.

Remember in many cases the people getting near 53 would have been the people to get near 65 when they try the GAMSAT again.

For those who got in on a 53 congratulations, and don't pay attention to this kinda thing because in a few years (if you work as hard as anyone else on the course) no one will remember or care what score you got to get in.

the falsehoods coming out of your mouth are mind-boggling.
The people who do badly in the year are, for the most part, people who got crap gamsat scores (yes 53 is crap, to purport otherwise is just downright lies) and have weak science backgrounds.

a few fail because of a poor work ethic and the fact that the exams are not entirely fair to the students (we get questioned on stuff most of us didn't even know we had to know)

26 people failed our year and will sit repeats next week. About ten of those will not pass the repeats.

you can mock me all you like, unfortunately i'm posting warnings for the sake of those coming into the course.

As someone who has consistently struggled with passing exams chanste, I would have thought you'd offer a more honest assessment of the course rather than misleading would be students.

yes people with poor gamsat scores can excel in the course. those students are the exception rather than the rule.

the course is tough. but if you got a crap score (sub 57 for arguments sake), the course is going to be ten times tougher and you will have to work ten times harder.

there has been enough warnings posted here about this and would be students have their heads buried in the sand. I can't warn you again. The truth will eventually find you.

lelouchan · 24-08-2012 12:45pm

raftni wrote: »

the falsehoods coming out of your mouth are mind-boggling.
The people who do badly in the year are, for the most part, people who got crap gamsat scores (yes 53 is crap, to purport otherwise is just downright lies) and have weak science backgrounds.

a few fail because of a poor work ethic and the fact that the exams are not entirely fair to the students (we get questioned on stuff most of us didn't even know we had to know)

26 people failed our year and will sit repeats next week. About ten of those will not pass the repeats.

you can mock me all you like, unfortunately i'm posting warnings for the sake of those coming into the course.

As someone who has consistently struggled with passing exams chanste, I would have thought you'd offer a more honest assessment of the course rather than misleading would be students.

yes people with poor gamsat scores can excel in the course. those students are the exception rather than the rule.

the course is tough. but if you got a crap score (sub 57 for arguments sake), the course is going to be ten times tougher and you will have to work ten times harder.

there has been enough warnings posted here about this and would be students have their heads buried in the sand. I can't warn you again. The truth will eventually find you.

I personally think you place too much emphasis on the GAMSAT. You could be right I suppose a low Gamsat score could have meant a low section III score but you also need to consider that high scores could similarly mean a good Section II score.
In my opinion, although not a fun exam, I don't think it's a particularly good measuring tool and you are not being helpful although im sure you think you are. I Would never assume someone with a 65 smarter or more hard working than someone with a 53 because a lot of other factors need to be taken into account.

BarnhallBull · 24-08-2012 12:55pm

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you can mock me all you like, unfortunately i'm posting warnings for the sake of those coming into the course.
[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen anybody mock you, the only thing I would consider mocking has been your insistence that people are getting into UL with "crap" GAMSAT scores.

Your point about people with lower GAMSAT scores needing a very high work ethic is certainly true, but so do the people with higher GAMSAT scores. We're all going to need to work hard. Will people on lower scores have to work harder? Maybe, or they may excel when they get on the course. Either way, there are far better ways to "warn" prospective students than the way you put your point across. I'm sure people would have been much happier to listen to you and take your advice on board had you not been so condescending.

chanste · 24-08-2012 2:13pm

raftni wrote: »

the falsehoods coming out of your mouth are mind-boggling.
The people who do badly in the year are, for the most part, people who got crap gamsat scores (yes 53 is crap, to purport otherwise is just downright lies) and have weak science backgrounds.

a few fail because of a poor work ethic and the fact that the exams are not entirely fair to the students (we get questioned on stuff most of us didn't even know we had to know)

26 people failed our year and will sit repeats next week. About ten of those will not pass the repeats.

you can mock me all you like, unfortunately i'm posting warnings for the sake of those coming into the course.

As someone who has consistently struggled with passing exams chanste, I would have thought you'd offer a more honest assessment of the course rather than misleading would be students.

yes people with poor gamsat scores can excel in the course. those students are the exception rather than the rule.

the course is tough. but if you got a crap score (sub 57 for arguments sake), the course is going to be ten times tougher and you will have to work ten times harder.

there has been enough warnings posted here about this and would be students have their heads buried in the sand. I can't warn you again. The truth will eventually find you.

I just want to point out that I never mocked you. Nor have I ever mocked anyone on these boards.
You speak of my past struggles with exams which I am in no way ashamed of, but you don't know me, and while I don't claim to be a genius, anybody that does know me, knows I'm not a fool. Yes I got 56, but I have still never needed to repeat a year (including any other course) and I don't believe anything less than 57 was a crap score.
Going back to your original point, you are absolutely right that people should not take on this course lightly. But it is still, despite all my difficulties, the best decision that I ever made for my own career.
Please try not to be so confrontational, I do respect the point your trying to make but I think it comes across as a swipe at people who could turn out to be great doctors.

PeadarGalway · 24-08-2012 11:14pm

raftni wrote: »

anyone who got in on 53 and 54.....you better have a phenomenal work ethic about you is all I'm going to say.

Not this again.....

EVERYBODY needs a phenomenal work ethic in medschool. End of story.

ul hopefull · 29-08-2012 9:47am

raftni wrote: »

chanste wrote: »

You seem to be implying a large gap in intelligence between people who are separated by only a few points. I've seen people on my course that got scores in their 60s who are struggling every bit as much as I did with my 56 back in the day. GAMSAT is a single exam and a tough one at that. Scoring a 53 is a good score in my opinion and its unfortunate that so many people seem to talk about these entrants as if they are somehow retarded.

Remember in many cases the people getting near 53 would have been the people to get near 65 when they try the GAMSAT again.

For those who got in on a 53 congratulations, and don't pay attention to this kinda thing because in a few years (if you work as hard as anyone else on the course) no one will remember or care what score you got to get in.

the falsehoods coming out of your mouth are mind-boggling.
The people who do badly in the year are, for the most part, people who got crap gamsat scores (yes 53 is crap, to purport otherwise is just downright lies) and have weak science backgrounds.

a few fail because of a poor work ethic and the fact that the exams are not entirely fair to the students (we get questioned on stuff most of us didn't even know we had to know)

26 people failed our year and will sit repeats next week. About ten of those will not pass the repeats.

you can mock me all you like, unfortunately i'm posting warnings for the sake of those coming into the course.

As someone who has consistently struggled with passing exams chanste, I would have thought you'd offer a more honest assessment of the course rather than misleading would be students.

yes people with poor gamsat scores can excel in the course. those students are the exception rather than the rule.

the course is tough. but if you got a crap score (sub 57 for arguments sake), the course is going to be ten times tougher and you will have to work ten times harder.

there has been enough warnings posted here about this and would be students have their heads buried in the sand. I can't warn you again. The truth will eventually find you.

How can u make assumptions about peoples intelligence based solely on their gamsat score. you have no idea about the conditions under which any individual sat the exam. For example someone who scored 60 in the gamsat on their second attempt after a year of intense study and grind course may not in fact be as intelligent as someone who scored 54 whilst getting a first class honors in their own degree. The only way in which the gamsat could be used to compare levels of intelligence is if two individuals sit the exam under the same conditions. So whilst you think you are doing people some sort of favour im sure most would be much happier if you kept these opinions to yourself.

Reality_Check1 · 29-08-2012 1:31pm

Your Gamsat score = intelligence + work ethic

Im not sure what % is intelligence and what is work ethic but thats all it is

beardedmaster · 29-08-2012 2:49pm

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

Your Gamsat score = intelligence + work ethic

Im not sure what % is intelligence and what is work ethic but thats all it is

Intelligence + work ethic + luck, I would imagine! Whether it is good or bad luck, of course. Someone may do much worse than they deserve, or vice-versa.

Reality_Check1 · 29-08-2012 3:23pm

beardedmaster wrote: »

Intelligence + work ethic + luck, I would imagine! Whether it is good or bad luck, of course. Someone may do much worse than they deserve, or vice-versa.

thats true I forgot about luck. But luck only plays a small part in it in my opinion. In saying that those that do very well will have you believe none of its luck and those who do badly will claim its mostly luck

jtsuited · 29-08-2012 10:09pm

PeadarGalway wrote: »

Not this again.....

EVERYBODY needs a phenomenal work ethic in medschool. End of story.

so the fact that 26 people are sitting first year repeats in UL next week is down to 26 people not having the work ethic necessary?

And the fact 0 (as far as i know) are sitting first year repeats in RCSI (GEP) next week is down to us having this 'phenomenal work ethic'? I can only speak for myself, but I have nothing resembling a great work ethic let alone a 'phenomenal' one.

In every area of life, there are those who have to work themselves half to death to stay afloat. Then there are others who do very well with a fraction of the effort.
To think medicine is some golden exception to the rule is a bit odd imo. Yes, even if you're smart you might have to actually knuckle down a bit more than you ever have before. But that doesn't mean that the normal variance in natural aptitudes and abilities doesn't exist. Just like in every other area, you'll see people work far harder than anyone else and not be near the top of the class. And you'll see people who have a genuine flair for stuff just nail it with less effort.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about UL having a very unimpressive cutoff score and therefore having certain students seriously struggling. I mean we've got the figures involved.

To anybody with any basic understanding of maths, the gamsat distribution curve along with the actual marking scheme (which is weighted towards the mean afaik) means that there is quite a difference between say a score of 53 and a score of 59.

PeadarGalway · 30-08-2012 1:31am

jtsuited wrote: »

so the fact that 26 people are sitting first year repeats in UL next week is down to 26 people not having the work ethic necessary?

And the fact 0 (as far as i know) are sitting first year repeats in RCSI (GEP) next week is down to us having this 'phenomenal work ethic'? I can only speak for myself, but I have nothing resembling a great work ethic let alone a 'phenomenal' one.

In every area of life, there are those who have to work themselves half to death to stay afloat. Then there are others who do very well with a fraction of the effort.
To think medicine is some golden exception to the rule is a bit odd imo. Yes, even if you're smart you might have to actually knuckle down a bit more than you ever have before. But that doesn't mean that the normal variance in natural aptitudes and abilities doesn't exist. Just like in every other area, you'll see people work far harder than anyone else and not be near the top of the class. And you'll see people who have a genuine flair for stuff just nail it with less effort.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about UL having a very unimpressive cutoff score and therefore having certain students seriously struggling. I mean we've got the figures involved.

To anybody with any basic understanding of maths, the gamsat distribution curve along with the actual marking scheme (which is weighted towards the mean afaik) means that there is quite a difference between say a score of 53 and a score of 59.

I don't disagree with you. I was just reacting to the post as I thought it was another "lets all bash UL again, we haven't done that in about 12posts" type job. There's been enough of them to warrant being wary of any glib posts! I hadn't seen the ensuing replies and discussion because I was replying from an email notification that I read on my phone.

And yes, I know I replied to glib remark with a glib remark... next time ill keep my mouth shut

raftni · 07-09-2012 12:08am

hey guys and girls

just thought i'd update you all on the repeats.

so of the 25 in our year who failed, three of them got igrades to resit the entire year.

20 people sat exams. one dropped out completely. one transferred to cork after re-doing the gamsat during the year.

8 failed. one of them unfortunately failed for the second year running and is now finished in the school and in debt close to fifty thousand, 15 thousand for a years fees, twenty five thousand to repeat the year the first time. not to mention cost of living etc.

im not sure how the second years got on as I wouldnt know too many of them on a first name basis. i know one of the 15 and she passed, not sure about the others,will post when i find out.

i dont know what those eight people will do now with their futures. it's very unfortunate and disappointing and I know our entire class has been rocked today after hearing the news. really puts a dampner on our first week back i have to say. we're in disbelief tbh.

now that the gamsat score went down to 51 it's even more worrying for those people coming in.

Jammyc · 07-09-2012 12:10am

Well I wont be sleeping easy tonight after reading that...

chanste · 07-09-2012 12:39pm

For anyone that had to repeat they genuinely have my sympathies, I had a real fear of it myself, and it reflects the difficulty of the course. I haven't heard if anybody in my year failed yet, but I don't think they did.

Just thought I'd mention to anybody in UL that some of the UL faculty who may come across as a bit scary at times were really supportive when I felt like I was struggling and I would recommend people go talk to Nigel Lawes in particular. He never made me feel bad for needing help, and went out of his way to help people who asked for help from him.

speeding · 07-09-2012 3:08pm

raftni wrote: »

hey guys and girls

just thought i'd update you all on the repeats.

so of the 25 in our year who failed, three of them got igrades to resit the entire year.

20 people sat exams. one dropped out completely. one transferred to cork after re-doing the gamsat during the year.

8 failed. one of them unfortunately failed for the second year running and is now finished in the school and in debt close to fifty thousand, 15 thousand for a years fees, twenty five thousand to repeat the year the first time. not to mention cost of living etc.

im not sure how the second years got on as I wouldnt know too many of them on a first name basis. i know one of the 15 and she passed, not sure about the others,will post when i find out.

i dont know what those eight people will do now with their futures. it's very unfortunate and disappointing and I know our entire class has been rocked today after hearing the news. really puts a dampner on our first week back i have to say. we're in disbelief tbh.

now that the gamsat score went down to 51 it's even more worrying for those people coming in.

Sorry to hear about that. I'm actually heading into the 5 year med degree in rcsi after doing a radiography degree. I'm hoping that the 5 year is more manageable than graduate entry which seems very intense. Good luck to those eight individuals. Hope everything works out in the future for them !!

onehardslog · 07-09-2012 8:02pm

I know this thread is titled UL and this might be a silly questions but I am just wondering after reading the previous posts here...do a certain amount of people in UL have to fail every year, is the system graded as such that the bottom 5 fail or something like that?

If so, are the other three GEM courses graded the same way?

jtsuited · 25-09-2012 9:31pm

onehardslog wrote: »

I know this thread is titled UL and this might be a silly questions but I am just wondering after reading the previous posts here...do a certain amount of people in UL have to fail every year, is the system graded as such that the bottom 5 fail or something like that?

If so, are the other three GEM courses graded the same way?

I sincerely doubt medical schools could, in good conscience, run a 'fail quota'.
Equally, I doubt medical schools, for obvious reasons, can let people pass who shouldn't have.

In RCSI, none of us failed the year. Don't think anyone failed any exams either.

Reality_Check1 · 25-09-2012 9:44pm

jtsuited wrote: »

I sincerely doubt medical schools could, in good conscience, run a 'fail quota'.
Equally, I doubt medical schools, for obvious reasons, can let people pass who shouldn't have.

In RCSI, none of us failed the year. Don't think anyone failed any exams either.

Apparently the PBL system doesnt have a pass mark per say and the bottom 10% of the class have to fail. The idea behind it is to drive the overall standard up by creating a competitive atmosphere. Last year was an exception and the standard was so low they failed 25% of the class. Bit ridiculous if you ask me

Jammyc · 25-09-2012 10:27pm

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

Apparently the PBL system doesnt have a pass mark per say and the bottom 10% of the class have to fail. The idea behind it is to drive the overall standard up by creating a competitive atmosphere. Last year was an exception and the standard was so low they failed 25% of the class. Bit ridiculous if you ask me

I'm not attacking you but to me, that sounds like bull****. Until I hear from the UL Med school office, I would not believe it,

Reality_Check1 · 25-09-2012 10:39pm

Jammyc wrote: »

I'm not attacking you but to me, that sounds like bull****. Until I hear from the UL Med school office, I would not believe it,

yeah no worries Iv heard it from a good few people now that would have no reason to be making it up. There was a load of regular posters here after the results who were bound for UL but everyone seems to disappear when they get there! they would prob know

spagboll · 25-09-2012 11:52pm

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

Apparently the PBL system doesnt have a pass mark per say and the bottom 10% of the class have to fail. The idea behind it is to drive the overall standard up by creating a competitive atmosphere. Last year was an exception and the standard was so low they failed 25% of the class. Bit ridiculous if you ask me

The pass mark is 60%, the highest of all the 6 schools in Ireland
UL uses a green, orange and red grading system so students don't get over competitive with each other in years 1 and 2

raftni · 26-09-2012 5:19pm

we use the green orange and red lights but we also get our grades so we know how we are performing.

we also find out who the top thirty people in the year are in second year.

30 people in our class failed in the summer, eleven failed the resits.

two or three students transferred to other schools

jtsuited · 26-09-2012 6:07pm

quick, simple question....
how many of the 11 that failed the repeats got in through gamsat?

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