State of the Union

Memnoch · 29-01-2012 09:54PM

Not bad for a socialist, communist, tax and spend liberal.

Obama does want to cut taxes and maintain tax cuts, for middle class Americans who really need them. But he realises that endless tax cuts cannot work if you want to also control the deficit. There has to be some kind of balance.

The right want him to eviscirate medicare and social security. They want to slash the deficit without touching defense spending. Which is neither logical nor practical.

Obama wants to gives tax cuts to the middle class. Cut where he can, including defense, and allow the taxes on the wealthiest to return to the levels that they were under the - very prosperous - Clinton years.

Amerika · 30-01-2012 02:48PM

Black Swan wrote: »

These are comparative tax cuts occurring during the first terms of Bush and Obama (adjusted to 2011 dollars), signed into law by them, but originating in the respective US Congresses. Of course if either president did not approve of these cuts occurring during their administrations, they could have vetoed them (but didn't).

I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but any website that states on the first line of the first article on their home page: "I remember saying, over and over again, during the Bush Regime, that we had such fond memories of Bill Clinton,k only because he benefited from comparison to his successor, the worst President in US history," might just be a tad suspect on bias meter in the way "facts" are presented.

But who knows, maybe the figures are accurate the way they are presented... then again, maybe not). But they did like the Glass-Steagall Act, with is a good thing IMO. Hmmm.... I wonder why Obama didn't?
http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/2012/01/30/the-need-for-glass-steagall/

Sometimes I think it’s important to see what a President really wants, and the consequences of what they’ve done.

So why did the Senate vote unanimously to reject President Obama’s 2012 budget?
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

Here’s a comprehensive list of Obama’s tax hikes from his signature legislation:
http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-hikes-a6433

And what does he really want:
http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-all-tax-hikes-obamas-a6448

Special Note: Americans for Tax Reform does advocate opposition to any effort to increase income taxes on individuals and businesses (Oh the horrors)

Memnoch · 31-01-2012 10:08PM

Amerika wrote: »

I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but any website that states on the first line of the first article on their home page: "I remember saying, over and over again, during the Bush Regime, that we had such fond memories of Bill Clinton,k only because he benefited from comparison to his successor, the worst President in US history," might just be a tad suspect on bias meter in the way "facts" are presented. But who knows, maybe the figures are accurate the way they are presented... then again, maybe not).

The source is biased calling the points made in the graph into question. Followed by...

Let's ignore the fact that this indicates Obama has cut taxes more than the last republican president.

Now let us obfuscate the issue by a number of opinion pieces and by listing talking points devoid of context, held up purely by innuendo.

Sometimes I think it’s important to see what a President really wants, and the consequences of what they’ve done.

So why did the Senate vote unanimously to reject President Obama’s 2012 budget?
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

Maybe because Obama was willing to compromise more than the Senate democrats?

But you aren't the least bit interested in what he does or what he doesn't. Your only aim is to spin everything he does or that you imagined he did or didn't do into some kind of stick with which to bash him. An agenda fueled by hatred and the worst kind of partisan ideology. The definition of political extremism.

Here’s a comprehensive list of Obama’s tax hikes from his signature legislation:
http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-hikes-a6433

Tangenital, does not refute the statistics provided in the post you replied to.

And what does he really want:
http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-all-tax-hikes-obamas-a6448

Special Note: Americans for Tax Reform does advocate opposition to any effort to increase income taxes on individuals and businesses (Oh the horrors)

And finish off with a biased opinion piece. Beginning your post by calling into question the bias of a source that provided factual information (not opinion) and end your post by providing an opinion piece, from a source that you know to be biased, except in this case the bias favours your predetermined 'down with Obama,' view and so should be more acceptable, weak sarcasm aside.

Memnoch · 31-01-2012 10:20PM

CONTEXT:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/25/senate.medicare/index.html?iref=allsearch

To hit back at Democrats, McConnell forced votes Wednesday on the other three budget measures, including Obama's 2012 budget proposal.
McConnell sought to force Democrats to publicly oppose Obama's plan and to also reject other Republican proposals in order to portray them as obstructing any progress on cutting deficits.

So I stand corrected. It wasn't that Obama was looking to compromise more.

It was that the republicans forced a vote on something that wasn't ready for the purpose of pure political theatre.

The whole affair seemed to be political theatre between the house and senate. But hey, don't let things like facts and context get in the way of shooting blanks.

diamondsny · 01-02-2012 04:48PM

I'm just really happy to see congress take action against insider trading, they should go as far as to bar sitting congressmen and senators from owning any stock or personally managing/being able to view their stock whatsoever.

cyberhog · 03-02-2012 05:16AM

Obama showed when it comes to war he can lie with the best of them.He began by saying the Iraq war had "made the United States safer and more respected around the world. " However when Obama spoke out against the Iraq War in 2002 he called it a "dumb war" and said "Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history."

And he was right! Saddam Hussein posed no threat to the US and it would have been no problem to contain him until he came to his natural demise. That Obama would now say that toppling the petty dictator has made the US safer makes absolutely no sense at all. Of course the most ludicrous comment has to be that the invasion has made the US "more respected around the world" and Obama said that on the same day it was revealed that no one will be imprisoned for the massacre in Haditha.

It seems like one of the prerequisites for being President of the United States is to live in a bubble of self-delusion. The sad thing is it dosen't seem to bother Americans that their Presidents are unscrupulous liars. If Obama says killing Iraqis has made the US safer thats good enough for them.

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