Where Are All The Young Irish Poker Stars?

sickpuppy · 26-07-2006 10:41PM

Having played with mr basterd both online and live/.I think the majority of posters might do well to listen to what he says.He has been apro for nearly 30 years when supposedly there was no poker culture its very typical of the irish attitude were doing ok so were a great fukin bunch,like the poxy under acheiving football team and rugby teams of this island.anyway basterd hope your having fun

Hitman Actual · 26-07-2006 11:08PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

Id like to respond to this but Im hungover

A response along the lines of "tournaments aren't a true test of poker skill"?

Hitman Actual · 26-07-2006 11:09PM

ocallagh wrote:

He has every right to make these points as a WSOP ME final tablist.

Oops! Puts a very interesting slant on the thread.

Ste05 · 26-07-2006 11:21PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

Id like to respond to this but Im hungover

Classic...

JAMMYBSTD · 27-07-2006 12:12AM

"I think we do rather well considering".quote
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I think that attitude might be part of the problem also,ask roy keane if u dont believe me

Daithio · 27-07-2006 12:36AM

Proportionately there are very few Irish players playing WSOP events. Myself Dave Masters and MrPillowtalk have played two each, without a cash between us, but that's not that incredible considering there are over 2000 runners in each event. Oscar has played one and got very close until his AK was no match for AQ, and Stephen Mclean has cashed in one from two, getting his AA cracked in the money. It's not a bankroll problem as such, I could probably have afforded to play in a good few more WSOP events than I have, but I don't particularly like the way you only start with 1500 chips or so and often it's 11 handed. I'm not too concerned with winning bracelets either, I prefer to win money, and I reckon I'm more likely to do that in other tournaments around las vegas where there's a better structure and I don't have to beat 2000 players. Not that I've managed to beat any of the 100 runner tournaments either this year. I think you're going to have to wait for the main event to have anything to shout about to be honest, and I'd be very surprised if a couple of people don't end up going deep in that one.

JAMMYBSTD · 27-07-2006 01:46AM

sounds like a good solid game plan GL and dont go out calling

Padraig06 · 27-07-2006 06:12AM

No pain No gain

BigDragon · 27-07-2006 08:33AM

Two posts in a row by ME final tablists....Boards has arrived.....:D

Lafortezza · 27-07-2006 08:40AM

Somone spell it out for me plz! Who is everyone? Who's that BigDragon noob?

smurph · 27-07-2006 08:45AM

luckylucky wrote:

poker is poker eh and bollix is bollix too, are you a poker player btw? because the poker scene of 10 years ago bears little resemblance to the one we have now so in this case poker is poker is a silly statement - it's like saying football is football so if you are good at american football it means you should be good at aussie rules, Gaelic Football and Soccer. Hold Em is a different animal to the pub game Draw and we don't have a tradition of it - not an in depth one anyway - still though the same can be said for the rest of Europe and maybe even more so.

Also I partially agree with you about the going on the piss attitude in the days leading up to it some of them probably will which is not ideal preparation but as long as they don't overdo it I'm sure most will be raring to go when the main event kicks off, also I'm sure for a major event like the WSOP I think only the daftest of players are going to actually go on the piss during this event... , after they finish hopefulyl not until nearer the end they no doubt will do so

Also it's not true to say Irish Players have not been getting results... when I flick through results online I see plenty of Irish players cashing in events throughout Europe, just recently Dave Masters netted £23.9K sharing 1st place in The Scottish Poker Open - alright not exactly a major event like the WSOP but nothing to be sniffed at either!

I think it is just a matter of time before we have a few winners of major events, whether we surpass the Scandies is a whole different ball game though.

BTW I think your central point is fine that we should be doing better and hopefully we will do but the points you base your arguments on are I'll be nice not great.... it is the reason why people are getting riled up.

Dave Master won £23.9K sterling, which is approximately €34,000 and came third in the irish open for €35,000. Its not all about finishes in the WSOP. Dave Masters has a good bank roll now, a good head on his shoulders, and I have no doubt he will do well in vegas. If he does not go far in the main tournament his style of play will certainly rock the cash games a bit.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I was looking a WSOP highlights from 2005 last night on player. Greg raymour had an unbelievable bad beat to get knocked out, so it does not matter how good a player you are, if you come up against a muppet you are in danger of going out at any time time. Yet you hear him getting slagg*ed off by other players because they think he is a one trick poney (ie, no bracelets in any other game)

There is going to be 8,000 players at this years tournament, alot winning online, or Satellites, only the professional players will get sponsorship or entry fees paid for them. There will be woeful bad beats and gobsh*ts staying on stupid draws. I agree totally with all the points made by lucky lucky,

I will be roaring on all the irish regardless of whether they are Under 25, over 25, over 80, man, woman, black, white, pink, yellow.

Fatboydim · 27-07-2006 09:41AM

JAMMYBSTD wrote:

"I think we do rather well considering".quote
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I think that attitude might be part of the problem also,ask roy keane if u dont believe me

Ah yeah that's that fella who fecked off in Sai Pan and deserted his country because there was a Tan in charge.

Yeah I know that sort.

califano · 27-07-2006 09:45AM

JAMMYBSTD final tabled the ME?. Who is he then?.

Hitman Actual · 27-07-2006 09:52AM

rounders123 wrote:

JAMMYBSTD final tabled the ME?. Who is he then?.

I'm guessing George McKeever. Or Scott Gray. Or... well, not sure tbh.

5starpool · 27-07-2006 09:53AM

There aren't that many to guess from rounders.

Padraig (seems to anyways) posted another reply.
I doubt (but may be wrong) that Noel Furlong posts here.
I can only think of 3 others that have made a final table in the ME, and I doubt it is the guy who came 7th the year Noel Furlong won it.

That leaves 2, so it must be either Andy Black or Scott Gray (assuming truth is being told).

Information that the person is a pro for 30 years means it can't be Andy Black.

QED

(If this is wrong then damn me for trying to use logic, and ending up with egg on my face).

califano · 27-07-2006 10:26AM

Yeah he's probably one of those who final tabled when the field was like 78 runners woooooooo:rolleyes: !

5starpool · 27-07-2006 10:29AM

rounders123 wrote:

Yeah he's probably one of those who final tabled when the field was like 78 runners woooooooo:rolleyes: !

emmmm, no.

califano · 27-07-2006 10:34AM

5starpool wrote:

emmmm, no.

Im only trying to wind him up!:rolleyes:

5starpool · 27-07-2006 10:38AM

rounders123 wrote:

Im only trying to wind him up!:rolleyes:

Well don't. You'll start a war and it'll be cataclysmic. Something like the end bit of 'the wind that shakes the barley' etc etc.

califano · 27-07-2006 10:44AM

5starpool wrote:

Well don't. You'll start a war and it'll be cataclysmic. Something like the end bit of 'the wind that shakes the barley' etc etc.

Fair enough. I bet hes a useless player though:D

fobster · 27-07-2006 11:30AM

Found this after doing a google search for "JAMMYBSTD".

Here's the link

And what it says about Scott Gray.

Ladies and gentlemen, please be upstanding for Scott "JAMMYBSTD" Gray. Another Betfair Poker player with serious WSOP calibre. He has already made a final table appearance in the WSOP Main Event, eventually finishing in 4th place for a cool $300,000! With 30yrs of experience and the ability to change gears without others noticing, he is a genuine contender for the bracelet on his 21st trip to Vegas. You can catch his odds on the betfair exchange and you can be reassured by the fact that he will be having $10,000 on himself as well!

So yeah I think we can safely say the OP is Scott Gray then.

Dub13 · 27-07-2006 11:32AM

Nice work Mr Fobster

BigDragon · 27-07-2006 11:36AM

lafortezza wrote:

Somone spell it out for me plz! Who is everyone? Who's that BigDragon noob?

I own the CPT.

From now on 22 in the small blind will be known as the "JAMMYBSTD"

Welcome to boards Scott.

slegs · 27-07-2006 11:44AM

nothing to say...just wanted to post in the same thread as two WSOP ME Final tablers

ollyk1 · 27-07-2006 11:52AM

Welcome to Boards Scott!

I think you have a good point and have been deliberately provocative in your posts on this thread with good reason.

I think that young Irish poker players have less gamble in them then maybe you had at a similar stage in your development. Good young players are used to generally playing a disciplined well staked game online and making the jump into bigger buyin games where the fields are massive is not something they are willling to do often. Why? Because they have come to poker from a different more book/internet learning based route then maybe yourself or Padraig did.

Viewing a trip ot Vegas as part work/part holiday is a mistake nearly every European nations players make and not unique to Ireland but its definitely a drag on performance for some.

I also think a lack of well structured live tournies is only beginning to be addressed on the Dublin casino scene and the benefits of these increased and better games will be felt over time.

The culture of card playing thing is a total red herring imho but a culture of shrewd gambling and basic math skills and identifying value is something Irish people have had and I agree we are probably due a few more big wins from all sources.

I, like yourself, hope we get them this year!!

califano · 27-07-2006 12:06PM

Did i say 'useless'?!. I take it back!.
5starpool was right. I dont fancy being hunted down by a sickle weilding Scott in a field of barley!.

DeVore · 27-07-2006 12:19PM

Last year Mike and I both took the irish to outlast all of the Pokerstars players and won. This year we will be looking for the same bet. They had 20% of the field and we had 40 runners but we took even money.

I was one of the first "young" guys to play in the Fitz etc so none of them are playing more then 2 years. In that time we've seen some incredible talent rise between the O'Callaghan brothers, Oscar, Marq, Ollie, Mike, Dave Master, Stephen McLean (and um, my occasional cashes

) not to mention the PE crew and others (this is no where near an exhaustive list) and thats just the hardcore tournie players. I think Irish poker is going from strength to strength. I remember when we used to wonder when Boards would have a player at the final table of the 100 event in the Fitz, now that wouldnt raise an eyebrow. There is a huge gulf between the old crew and the new in terms of age but I'll back the young guys against the old crew anyday and if you want to put money down on that, I've a 100 note waiting.

DeV.

luckylucky · 27-07-2006 12:20PM

ocallagh wrote:

He has every right to make these points as a WSOP ME final tablist.

LMFAO - well there's me told eh - Still that 'Poker Classic...Ireland being a wealthy country' was still an utter twaddle post but in hindsight (always easier that isn't it

) actually makes sense in a funny kind of way, as only a complete numpty or an experienced pro who doesn't feel the need to express his arguments in a thoughtful manner unlike us mere poker mortals could have posted that.

And yeah I agree with Ollyk1 who I think has expressed what Scott was actually getting at very well.

Anyways Scott ditto welcome to boards - just don't think you will be left off the hook in the future if you make 'daft' posts just because we now know who you are

DeVore · 27-07-2006 12:32PM

Welcome to Boards Padraig and Scott, I will say this now for the cheap seats, one of the things I have always admired about the old crew (and there is a generation gap, I used to be called "the young fella" in the Fitz two years ago) is that they have very unselfishly shared their experience and encouragement with the newbies.

I'll make this prop bet Scott. You pick 5 of the "old school" and I'll pick 5 of the young fellas and at the GJP poker festival ME we'll have a last longest bet. I'll put 100 bucks my picks do better then yours.

Money where mouth is?

DeV.

Hitman Actual · 27-07-2006 12:38PM

LOL, just realised I hit my 1000th post arguing with Scott Gray! The first time I followed the WSOP ME final table with huge interest was in 2002, following it over on rec.gambling.poker.

I hope my responses didn't cause any offense (I doubt they did), but sh!t, I was riled up! Like the other guys said, welcome to Boards, Scott.

Where Are All The Young Irish Poker Stars?

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