Are Nigerians really that bad

procure11 wrote: »

Coming to Pamela Izevbekhai's case ,I think she should be deported as soon as possible.She is a big fraud and you can tell it from 10 miles away.

It is absolutely impossible for anyone with her education and family status to be forced or coerced into having this procedure done.It is bo_ _ cks.I was very angry when I watched the RTE programme in which she featured and was saying a lot of crap and taking people for fools.

Im from Sligo, ive never wished her il will and really feel sorry for her kids as they are now settled with friends etc but her story NEVER rang through with me either, it a vocal minority making all the noises about the WHOLE of Sligo is behind her (dont go taking the thread off topic please)

Glad you like the place, you can stay as long as you like as far as im concerned!!!
Guinness must taste a bit weak compared to the stuff in Nigeria?

BTW the day you feel like leaving and moving somewhere warm is the day yer truly settled;)

OP, recently enough, I ran an independent garage in a town near enough to Dublin. I used to dread Nigerian customers at times because I found they never wanted to pay for anything. Everything was a problem with them, everything was too expensive, and it was a constant battle to deal with them, haggling, pretending that they had no money, agreeing one price with them and then subsequently wanting to change the price, etc.

Having said that, I got on with them all, but I found that they were often hard work and took up too much of my time with messing and as I used to call it, "can't pay-won't pay".

There was this one particular Nigerian that used to come in and one day we had a long chat about Nigeria over a cup of tea and I told him how frustrated I had become with my Nigerian customers, how I often dreaded them coming in the door because I simply could not get money out of them, and this was before the recession kicked in! Nigerian taximen were the most difficult to deal with, they just would not pay for anything.

Anyway this guy said that the reason they carry on like this, is because back in Nigeria, if you want to get something done or buy something, everything is about having to squeeze your way up to the top of the queue to get it, you have to push other people out of the way to get something in a shop or if you want to get a job, you have to be connected to certain people, etc.

Now don't get me wrong, I had respect for all my customers, regardless of race, I had a laugh on many occasions with my Nigerian customers, but unfortunately on many but not every occasion, I couldn't get paid by them without a 40 minute soul distroying debate where I had to stand over and justify every cent of the invoice, (which had already been previously agreed), it would sometimes turn into an argument and if I didn't concede, on one occasion, I was told I was a racist and was screamed and roared at in front of staff and other customers.

I ended up getting out of the business because it eventually became harder to get paid for the work than it was to actually do the work I was charging for.

Darragh29 wrote: »

OP, recently enough, I ran an independent garage in a town near enough to Dublin. I used to dread Nigerian customers at times because I found they never wanted to pay for anything. Everything was a problem with them, everything was too expensive, and it was a constant battle to deal with them, haggling, pretending that they had no money, agreeing one price with them and then subsequently wanting to change the price, etc.

Having said that, I got on with them all, but I found that they were often hard work and took up too much of my time with messing and as I used to call it, "can't pay-won't pay".

There was this one particular Nigerian that used to come in and one day we had a long chat about Nigeria over a cup of tea and I told him how frustrated I had become with my Nigerian customers, how I often dreaded them coming in the door because I simply could not get money out of them, and this was before the recession kicked in! Nigerian taximen were the most difficult to deal with, they just would not pay for anything.

Anyway this guy said that the reason they carry on like this, is because back in Nigeria, if you want to get something done or buy something, everything is about having to squeeze your way up to the top of the queue to get it, you have to push other people out of the way to get something in a shop or if you want to get a job, you have to be connected to certain people, etc.

Now don't get me wrong, I had respect for all my customers, regardless of race, I had a laugh on many occasions with my Nigerian customers, but unfortunately on many but not every occasion, I couldn't get paid by them without a 40 minute soul distroying debate where I had to stand over and justify every cent of the invoice, (which had already been previously agreed), it would sometimes turn into an argument and if I didn't concede, on one occasion, I was told I was a racist and was screamed and roared at in front of staff and other customers.

I ended up getting out of the business because it eventually became harder to get paid for the work than it was to actually do the work I was charging for.

Replace 'Nigerian' with 'Farmer' and 'Race' with 'Profession' and you've got a similar situation for somebody I actually know in the auto trade.

This is only from my own perspective what I`ve seen with both eyes -
I have seen them abuse their children in so many incidence that its impossible to ignore or dismiss as being anything other than part of their culture. This really obviously bothers me and theres nothing I can do about it. Have heard from someone who works specifically with nigerian asylum seekers and the same complaint. Along with they lie about absolutely everything to the smallest minute detail. Makes it very difficult to deal with them and this person is trying to help them. Also they scream racism for everything, thats my experience from working in a few jobs. I`m half african certainly not racist!
Saying that I`m a mature student and if you are in the library at ten o`clock just before closing you`ll find all the nigerian students there, they work incredibly hard.
I believe we were lucky enough to be born in Ireland which for the most part is a good place to live. I do not begrudge anybody the opportunity to make a good life for themselves and their families. As far as I know we didn`t allow them to work while claiming asylum so we sort of backed ourselves in to a corner didn`t we?

It all comes down to experiences, really. If you have bad experiences/encounters with a particular group of people (or race of people) than it's very difficult to have a positive opinion about them.

Now, I think for anyone to claim that all Nigerians in Ireland are bad people (lol) is ridiculous. And I'm sure there are many hard working, nice Nigerians here. But, I am sorry to say, that I have not had one single pleasant encounter with a Nigerian, which really sucks. Perhaps it is because I live in an area with few Nigerians, and that I don't know personally any of them but the limited encounters I have had with them have been pretty bad.

Now I'm not going to mention the credit card scammers, bogus assylum applications and welfare fraud because they've already been mentioned. I'm basing my opinion on, yes, the 'facts' about many Nigerians in relation to the above, but mostly my personal experiences with them.

As has been stated before, the reason for this prejudice in Ireland is that many Nigerians seem to be extremely rude; I had one particular Taxi driver who refused to give me my change. The cost of the journey was 31 euro or something. I gave two 20s and the man wouldn't give me my change. Now I'd usually tip Taxi drivers but I've stopped this recently because of the hike in expenses. This guys English was very poor (or so he made out) and I wasn't bothered arguing with him so I left it. I know you're going to say 'thats just being scabby' but, regardless, it's my money and he doesn't have the right to tip himself.

I usually shop in Lidls with the occasional trip to Aldis and, I'm not sure if this is just me, but whenever there are Nigerian families shopping in Aldis, I've found them to be very rude. On several occasions I saw Nigerian kids running wild, literally picking things of the shelves and throwing them around the place. Now this doesn't really make a point, because plenty of Irish scumbags do that :rolleyes: but on more than one occasion a Nigerian mother has actually been threatening and intimidating towards me to try and skip me in the Q - that's right; just to skip me in the bleedin Q!

The next issue is quite sensitive and I probably shouldn't be posting this but NOTE I am not saying that no Irish person, or any other nationality wouldn't do this. But I was assalted pretty visciously by a group of Nigerian males in town one night - ended up spending the whole of the night in the police station (even though I didn't want to press charges, but the police made me give a statement).

I could go on about other cases but I realise this post is getting pretty long. Really, I think one of the main issues with Nigerians in Ireland, is that they don't integrate well with the nationals. I mean, if you take Polish, Slovakian etc. immigrants, I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with them. Most of them are working amongst nationals, even marrying into Irish families and settling down over here, wheras I don't know any Irish friends with a Nigerian boyfriend/girlfriend.

I would love Ireland to become more ethnically diverse and definitely more accepting of other races. But it's difficult when many Nigerians here are uneducated, unemployed and refuse to integrate with the nationals. I have found that eastern Europeans seem to make much more of an effort than Nigerians, even just with learning the language, but again that is just my limited personal experience.

I hope I haven't offended anyone here - trust me I'm not a racist!!!

af_thefragile wrote: »

Also you believe the Americans were fair when they only accepted "qualified" Irish people?

Well considering that such a large number of the Asylum seekers are really just economic migrants or whatever the term used was, would it not be clever to cherry pick the best of the applicants? For two reasons.

a) if a person is qualified they will be able to contribute to somewhere needed, possible health etc etc
b) There is a higher possibility that highly qualified people will be movitaved to work and will not sit on the dole like many currently do.

The people who show that they have an ability to contribute should be given access. We have enough people coming here just for the ridiculously generous dole.

I've never had a bad experence with them, about 3 years ago i was working as a panel beater at the time i was putting a front of a car together for a customer who was nigerian, nice chap every time i'd see him always polite and would shake your hand and generally he was a gent.

Now i'm a taxi driver, i've never had a problem with them, even on one occasion i was stopped at Parliment St a nigerian taxi driver got out of his taxi to tell me i had a brake light out.

You could change that title to ''Are all Irish really raving alco's?''

You'd find out we're not all raving alco's just the same way all nigerians arent all bad.

af_thefragile wrote: »

@realismpol: That racism you're talking about is the more openly blatant racism. Like the knackers going around calling people "paki" and telling them to "go home!".
I'm speaking about more of a general prejudice towards people of certain races. Everyone stereotypes to a certain degree. Guess its just a part of being human. My point was that till about 15-20 years ago you wouldn't see any african people in Ireland outside of Dublin. There have been people (especially in the countryside) who've grown up their whole lives around people like them and have never come into contact with a non-Irish person until very recently and so i guess they find it kinda odd to see "all these immigrants coming to over and spoiling our pretty serene country".

@JonathanAnon: I think asylum should be given to people on the basis of who needs it the most than who is most qualified to contribute to the state.

And about the dole.
I'm a big critic of the dole. Basically i say it shouldn't exist in the first place. The government could rather spend the money doing something more productive like educating the people or creating jobs.
It just end up creating people who're getting increasingly lazy as to why work when you can leech off the state in social welfare benefits.
And in this particular case, creates a haven for asylum seekers.

Simple solution. No dole = Government has more money to spend on better things + people forced to get off their arses and work! + asylums either find a job to support themselves or find another place to go.

Problem solved!! Like Ron Paul says, you can't improve the state through socialism!

I wouldn't refer to a group of people as 'knackers' that in itself is a derogatory term. I think you mean scumbags to which all members of all races on earth are part of. Besides its not like scumbags know much about geography to be telling people where to go home to.
Its true sterotyping is carried out by humans but normally the people that do it are uneducated, untravelled and ignorant and largely misguided. FFS what would these people do if we found life in outer space these people can't even accept members of the human race.


Yes there are people who grew up their whole lives without seeing people of a different nationality. FFS yes they only saw mister t on the a team and the child on the trocaire box like i said ' share all we did was pick turf an sod it, the only 'blackie' i ever seen was the guy from glenroe' . Jesus you make irish people seem like backward cavepeople who are frightened of when they first seen fire. What did they get a shock when they saw a black dog, a person wearing a black top, the night when it came, or was it just limited soley to black on a persons face? People in the country aren't as backward as you think. Yes you get thick ignorant people but you get that in every race.

In other words its ok to see them just keep them far away from me. Did you know people back in the 1600's used to think the earth was flat too? Amazing isn't it..

realismpol wrote: »

Often you find they immeadiately claim...'Im not racist and not all nigerians are bad but..' then they go on to list their various overwhelming negative encounters with the aforementioned people focusing on typical racist things like 'the bad language', 'the loudness of the person', 'the ignorant manner', 'wouldn't pay the money', 'was begging for money'... 'just not civillised'. You know facts you use to degrade a person and make them seem like subhumans. The best ones are the ones that list meticulously the list of negative things about a race or nationality of people then claim ' this does not imply that all nigerians do this but here look most of them are inclined to do this' the I am in no way a racist but here look what these savages do. LOL.

Heres a stat for you.

90 per cent of closet racists are likely to come with statistics to claim they are not racist but then back it up with racial generalisations.

You're racist towards 'closet racists' (as you call them) :rolleyes:

This thread is about Nigerians in Ireland, not a Nigerian in Ireland, but Nigerians - plural. There has to be some generalisations made. Personally, when I make generalisations I look at the facts and then make a general conclusion. Obviously, this conclusion doesn't apply to everyone because it's general.

If this thread was about the Irish immigrants in America you could make a generalisation that most of them were poor,lived in slums and took unskilled jobs. This wasn't true for all of the Irish immigrants but it was for many.

The trouble today is you can't say that you prefer white tshirts to black ones without being branded a racist. The word 'racist' has no meaning whatsoever today because people place anyone who discusses topics like this in a fair manner in the same group as ignorant racists.

But what would I know, I'm just a 'closet racist'. :rolleyes:

Magnus wrote: »

419 scammers are local celebrities back in Nigeria.

These are two videos on what the scammers think of the mugu (stupid white trick)

Mugu is a fool. Anybody who falls for such scams is indeed a greedy fool. Scammers can't tell the colour of somebodys hide from an e-mail addy so why drag 'whiteness' into the mix?