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Defund RTE

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Perhaps it was in the mid nineties, it's at the vanguard of PC WOKE culture today

    say wha?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    elperello wrote: »
    If you are not interested in their plight that's ok.

    I find it hard to get invested in the "plight" of someone who can't listen to a particular radio station on longwave.
    There's no call to dismiss them as "auld biddies".

    Invoking elderly listeners or viewers when someone proposes cutting a marginal or wasteful broadcasting service amounts to emotional manipulation — a tactic RTE itself has excelled at deploying over the years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,592 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Invidious wrote: »
    I find it hard to get invested in the "plight" of someone who can't listen to a particular radio station on longwave.



    Invoking elderly listeners or viewers when someone proposes cutting a marginal or wasteful broadcasting service amounts to emotional manipulation — a tactic RTE itself has excelled at deploying over the years.

    I do support their cause, you don't. Like I said that's ok.

    I wasn't "invoking" them for some reason to my own advantage.

    I have sympathy for that particular cohort of people. It's not that I personally need RTE LW as I already explained.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    elperello wrote: »
    I do support their cause, you don't. Like I said that's ok.

    I wasn't "invoking" them for some reason to my own advantage.

    I have sympathy for that particular cohort of people. It's not that I personally need RTE LW as I already explained.

    I don't accept the argument that, in the year 2020, there's a significant cohort of people who have no way to listen to this radio station other than an expensive longwave broadcast from across the sea.

    "Alexa, play RTE Radio One."

    It's not that complicated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Superfoods


    Invidious wrote: »
    I don't accept the argument that, in the year 2020, there's a significant cohort of people who have no way to listen to this radio station other than an expensive longwave broadcast from across the sea.

    "Alexa, play RTE Radio One."

    It's not that complicated.


    It is, you just dont understand it.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Perhaps it was in the mid nineties, it's at the vanguard of PC WOKE culture today




    We'll be mid-90s'ing you soon enough


    Woke Culture? I'm talking about de-funding conservative Micks....You know...The useless of this country....."woke"...




    I'm from conservative Ireland......and I want the F********s and fat worthless heifers to get a taste of the punishment they gave me.....I'm not going to continue paying for the cow bottom excretion conservative "way of life".........."woke"


    Defund the worthless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,609 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    In a competitive and free press, rival outlets that may have differing editorial viewpoints will keep themselves in check.

    The assumption of competitive and free press keeping each other in check somehow is very naive. If a small number of media companies control the vast majority of the audience, who even cares if some marginal, fringe group rebels against their shared narrative?
    Also it’s the responsibility of individuals to be well informed themselves. It’s not the responsibility of other individuals to inform them.

    Also naive. Individuals have no power versus the media, and as you are pains to point out the media is in no way accountable to them. This is the purpose of government - to check private power for the public good.
    This is the way the press worked for hundreds of years before the goverments started treating people like idiots and spoon feeding them “objective” information. Newspapers had the “news” section and the “opinion” section and there was a wide variety of papers. But then again, people were more literate back then.

    So the government, which is accountable to people and their only tool in resisting private power, should abandon influence over the media narrative to private control and hope for the best?

    We don't need a return to robber baron capitalism and we absolutely do not need US style media, thanks.
    We’ve been raised on this idea that RTÉ is objective because it’s a government station.

    RTE's own self interest is best served by political neutrality so its not targeted by one party or the other. When I compare this to privately owned media which you proclaim can misrepresent and omit information and its the individuals fault if they fall for it, then yeah, by comparison it is objective. Its not ideal, but privately owned media has no responsibility to be objective at all so less than ideal is still far better.
    I’d rather watch a number of stations that aren’t obliged to be objective (without paying a licence) than be fleeced with a TV licence and watch a station that purports to be objective but in reality is no more objective than the others.

    So you can be lied to more freely by privately owned media and have more ideas and viewpoints that you totally arrived at yourself?


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    Sand wrote: »
    So you can be lied to more freely by privately owned media and have more ideas and viewpoints that you totally arrived at yourself?




    Conservatives, don't worry about being lied to..They love lies...Lies is how they've constructed their traditional way of life......the lies are not for them...they love lies...if they're in the service of social stagnation/conservatism.......A conservative fat mick, doing some lazy milking in their subsidised milking parlor, with a conservative fat mick brother, teaching in the local primary school (who gosh je jobe, because they danced off a conservative fat mick farm)....loves to hear RTE lies....They think they're in on the RTE scam...


    They don't want you to know....that you do not need them....and they are in fact parasites eating the country like maggots.....That's why the schools are crap...why RTE is crap...And every buckesh and shovel job the local conservative fat micks gesh through the same scam is crap.


    RTE conservative censorship...or even Boards conservative censorship (Boards...an "independent" media agency set up by Irish Times, RTE, type conservatives...)


    RTE is irrelevant.......by the end of this decade, all the power of their conservative brainwash will be gone......And all of the conservative parasitic crap in this country will be washed away.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,479 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    RTE's pro Islam/multicultural stance could not be more obvious.

    They did a piece on the news last year that went "Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland". The RTE news anchor had a smile on her face presenting this 'positive 'story.

    How on earth could anyone think that Islam as a growing religion in Ireland is something to be excited about. It just blows my mind the attitude. You would think they might do a piece on how Christianity is in decline and look sullen about it, but no, they don't, instead just covey a level of happiness and excitement that Islam is on the rise in Ireland.

    Totally weird stuff going on. Totally weird.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    AllForIt wrote: »
    RTE's pro Islam/multicultural stance could not be more obvious.

    They did a piece on the news last year that went "Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland". The RTE news anchor had a smile on her face presenting this 'positive 'story.

    How on earth could anyone think that Islam as a growing religion in Ireland is something to be excited about. It just blows my mind the attitude. You would think they might do a piece on how Christianity is in decline and look sullen about it, but no, they don't, instead just covey a level of happiness and excitement that Islam is on the rise in Ireland.

    Totally weird stuff going on. Totally weird.

    I agree, totally weird..

    Looking sullen about Christianity in Decline? I think a lot of people would be delighted!

    I welcome a multicultural Ireland, it means even less of a stranglehold that Catholicism has on this country and generally it brings more positives than negatives.

    What ever weirdness (Including following a religion, cult or other society) people want to practice in their own personal lives is up to them.


    Can you link to that piece, I would be interested to see how this news item was presented.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭DrSerious3


    cyllyn28 wrote: »
    Conservatives, don't worry about being lied to..They love lies...Lies is how they've constructed their traditional way of life......the lies are not for them...they love lies...if they're in the service of social stagnation/conservatism.......A conservative fat mick, doing some lazy milking in their subsidised milking parlor, with a conservative fat mick brother, teaching in the local primary school (who gosh je jobe, because they danced off a conservative fat mick farm)....loves to hear RTE lies....They think they're in on the RTE scam...


    They don't want you to know....that you do not need them....and they are in fact parasites eating the country like maggots.....That's why the schools are crap...why RTE is crap...And every buckesh and shovel job the local conservative fat micks gesh through the same scam is crap.


    RTE conservative censorship...or even Boards conservative censorship (Boards...an "independent" media agency set up by Irish Times, RTE, type conservatives...)


    RTE is irrelevant.......by the end of this decade, all the power of their conservative brainwash will be gone......And all of the conservative parasitic crap in this country will be washed away.....

    A coherent and informative piece, have you considered a career in journalism? That was about as articulate as an article on the journal.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    doggerland wrote: »
    As someone who remembers when RTE would buy up hit tv shows and shove them on at midnight just so tv3 couldn't have them, I say f them.

    tv3 should have bid more then, that's just the market.
    yes, stupid of rte to only show them at midnight, but if another channel isn't able to bid enough and rte is then that's just the way of the world.
    doggerland wrote: »
    They should have one tv station, covering news, sports and doing cultural things (Nationwide etc). And one Radio station with similar remit. Cut the fat.

    whatever about 1 tv station, 1 radio station is not going to be able to provide the divercity of programming rte provides across it's multiple radio services.
    so almost all of the channels are needed, the only one there is an argument to replace is 2fm.
    removing channels and making the service irrelevant to people is not trimming the fat, it's slashing and burning because the service doesn't operate to your specific wants, which it is not actually supposed to do and it couldn't do so even if it wanted to as 1 person is not enough of an audience to sustain a radio or television service.
    doggerland wrote: »
    If we want to evaulate how successful RTE have been, let's consider that there's a massive market right next door with the same language and with whom we share a lot of cultural stuff. RTE should be making a packet by selling stuff to such a market... right?

    not automatically, no .
    the uk is a hugely competitive market, however a lot of the programming that audiences want is similar fluff to what rte is already making.
    rte would be unlikely to be able to compete with the home grown fluff even if it was better, because it wouldn't be relevant to uk home grown audiences.
    Invidious wrote: »
    I don't accept the argument that, in the year 2020, there's a significant cohort of people who have no way to listen to this radio station other than an expensive longwave broadcast from across the sea.

    "Alexa, play RTE Radio One."

    It's not that complicated.

    it's not that complicated to you, it's not that complicated to me all though i don't use alexa, however that doesn't mean it isn't complicated full stop for others.
    ultimately you nor i can put our beliefs as to what is and isn't complicated on to others because people are different and what works for one won't always for another.
    ultimately it doesn't matter whether you accept the argument or not in relation to keeping the long wave service on air, because the decision to keep it or not going forward will be rte's.
    rte most likely have saw enough evidence to show that the argument for keeping it on is valid for now at least, otherwise the service would have been discontinued when it was originally planned to do so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,232 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    GT89 wrote: »
    I've heard them on Youtube and Bitchute




    You're right. Stay away from the fake news mainstream media.


    I get all my inspiration and world information on how things really work from an excellent investigative journalist and possibly greatest thinker and philosopher of our time - Ms. Gemma O'Doherty. She's on youtube.


    Whereas the likes of this Sarah McInerney wan on the radio in the morning. Giving us all this "blah blah facts and logic" - g'way ta fuck


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    DrSerious3 wrote: »
    A coherent and informative piece, have you considered a career in journalism? That was about as articulate as an article on the journal.ie


    Nice attempt...with your conservative cute winking conservative mick put down...


    When we are finished with your devious smart ass kind....You'll be queuing every day of the week, for the "free money".....And you'll bring a container for the porridge and for the stew...you need to collect to feed your conservative fat mother.......You will queue up, everyday, so the productive people can laugh and take photos of you...of the worthless....the worthless conservative rats, who used to bleed them to death...laugh at the smartholes, who used to look down their smarthole noses..




    DrSerious....what I'm trying to say...is we're coming for your worthless (and knowingly, worthless), kind......




    Piss stink, piss smelly, conservative bacteria.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,479 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    kenmm wrote: »
    I agree, totally weird..

    Looking sullen about Christianity in Decline? I think a lot of people would be delighted!

    I welcome a multicultural Ireland, it means even less of a stranglehold that Catholicism has on this country and generally it brings more positives than negatives.

    What ever weirdness (Including following a religion, cult or other society) people want to practice in their own personal lives is up to them.


    Can you link to that piece, I would be interested to see how this news item was presented.

    It's weird you say all this is such a cavalier manner, when you are talking about a complete change in the social demographic of this country, as it were something trivial, when you know perfectly well what you dream of is of monumental proportions.

    You say "whatever religion ppl want to follow is up to them" as if anyone is suggesting otherwise. The rise of Islam in Ireland is not organic i.e ppl are not converting to Islam, rather Muslims are simply moving here.

    So you change the goalposts, all to promote your worldview, and pretend your view is just a live and let live mentality, when your are intent on changing Ireland's cultural and social demographic, simply because it's what you prefer.

    What I'm saying is what you prefer is weird. The diminishing of Christianity in Ireland has noting to do with multiculturalism or the rise of Islam in Ireland. Rather it's about the rise of secularism. Of which I am a part. I renounce my born Christianity, as many have.

    To have a worldview that 'welcomes' more and more religions, as if there is some betterment to be had for society, is in my view, weird. Why would you want that? Why would you want to bring it about? Makes no sense whatsoever.

    It does make sense if you consider ppl with these views are social anarchists, who don't care about anything, except their own selfish worldview.

    And no, I can't link to that report, it was an RTE report I saw on TV a year ago or so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    AllForIt wrote: »
    RTE's pro Islam/multicultural stance could not be more obvious.


    Yes....The call to payer....Islamic clerics reading the new

    They did a piece on the news last year that went "Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland". The RTE news anchor had a smile on her face presenting this 'positive 'story.


    Yes....because once we get a critical mass of strong armed Islamic refugees...We can wiped out subzidised, worthless, conservative parasitic Ireland, in just a few days....Promise the boys they'll get a farm....They get a farm, we get to stop paying subsidies....and the diseaed infection of conservative worthless beggar people can be removed from Irish government.....




    How on earth could anyone think that Islam as a growing religion in Ireland is something to be excited about.


    I just told you.


    It just blows my mind the attitude.


    That's the plan......that's the plan.






    You would think they might do a piece on how Christianity is in decline and look sullen about it, but no




    Conservative fat boy.....when was the last time you went to mass?...or said your prayers............We only need less than 30,000 Isalamicists to wipe out your entire kind....You don't believe in anything...Curry chips and internet pornography.....a conservative worthless fat eating machine...


    , they don't, instead just covey a level of happiness and excitemelnt that Islam is on the rise in Ireland.


    Yes...we are excited

    Totally weird stuff going on. Totally weird.


    Weird?.....Are you one of the conservative fat micks who called me weird as a child....There's a lot weirdness coming your way..Boxes and slaps of weirdness....Conservative dog arse worthless arse filth drip......Conservative fat worthless eaters, eating Allah's land.....


    All-u-Akbar........Cleans the land of the lord of, conservatism


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    cyllyn28 wrote: »
    Conservatives, don't worry about being lied to..They love lies...Lies is how they've constructed their traditional way of life......the lies are not for them...they love lies...if they're in the service of social stagnation/conservatism.......A conservative fat mick, doing some lazy milking in their subsidised milking parlor, with a conservative fat mick brother, teaching in the local primary school (who gosh je jobe, because they danced off a conservative fat mick farm)....loves to hear RTE lies....They think they're in on the RTE scam...


    They don't want you to know....that you do not need them....and they are in fact parasites eating the country like maggots.....That's why the schools are crap...why RTE is crap...And every buckesh and shovel job the local conservative fat micks gesh through the same scam is crap.


    RTE conservative censorship...or even Boards conservative censorship (Boards...an "independent" media agency set up by Irish Times, RTE, type conservatives...)


    RTE is irrelevant.......by the end of this decade, all the power of their conservative brainwash will be gone......And all of the conservative parasitic crap in this country will be washed away.....

    You think RTE is conservative?

    Whatever you're on ,it must be expensive


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    DrSerious3 wrote: »
    A coherent and informative piece, have you considered a career in journalism? That was about as articulate as an article on the journal.ie




    Nice one....You conservative, eye rolling, head shaking, conservative parasitic smug mick...


    Pay back time is coming for your kind.....Now we have close to 40,000 armed Syrian refugees on our side...And all you've got is diabetes and obesity....


    Butcher the enemies of Allah....Butcher the lying conservative Irish filth who spit in the face of Allah and laugh....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    AllForIt wrote: »
    It's weird you say all this is such a cavalier manner, when you are talking about a complete change in the social demographic of this country, as it were something trivial, when you know perfectly well what you dream of is of monumental proportions.

    You say "whatever religion ppl want to follow is up to them" as if anyone is suggesting otherwise. The rise of Islam in Ireland is not organic i.e ppl are not converting to Islam, rather Muslims are simply moving here.

    So you change the goalposts, all to promote your worldview, and pretend your view is just a live and let live mentality, when your are intent on changing Ireland's cultural and social demographic, simply because it's what you prefer.

    What I'm saying is what you prefer is weird. The diminishing of Christianity in Ireland has noting to do with multiculturalism or the rise of Islam in Ireland. Rather it's about the rise of secularism. Of which I am a part. I renounce my born Christianity, as many have.

    To have a worldview that 'welcomes' more and more religions, as if there is some betterment to be had for society, is in my view, weird. Why would you want that? Why would you want to bring it about? Makes no sense whatsoever.

    It does make sense if you consider ppl with these views are social anarchists, who don't care about anything, except their own selfish worldview.

    And no, I can't link to that report, it was an RTE report I saw on TV a year ago or so.

    If we are taking about a complete change as in secularism, great. I misunderstood because you mentioned the looking sullen about Christianity in decline.

    I don't think or fear we will turn into some mass Islamic nation, so it's not a concern. It's not hard to become 'the fastest growing' because most religions are in decline.

    And most Muslims I know, it's not like they are out there trying to convert people en mass, is it? Most would do their practice and get on with life in private.



    Edit: I just noticed you said it was a year ago, sorry!

    Edit 2: is the slow rate of decline in Christianity non organic because a bunch of Spanish or Italians moved here? ie would we have a lot less Christianity had we not allowed other Christians to move? If the true organic destiny for Ireland is secularism, then we should stop any religion no? Where does it end?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    cyllyn28 wrote: »


    Butcher the enemies of Allah....Butcher the lying conservative Irish filth who spit in the face of Allah and laugh....

    Go on, I'll bite then. What lies?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: cyllyn28 - don't post in the thread again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    AllForIt wrote: »
    RTE's pro Islam/multicultural stance could not be more obvious.

    They did a piece on the news last year that went "Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland". The RTE news anchor had a smile on her face presenting this 'positive 'story.

    How on earth could anyone think that Islam as a growing religion in Ireland is something to be excited about. It just blows my mind the attitude. You would think they might do a piece on how Christianity is in decline and look sullen about it, but no, they don't, instead just covey a level of happiness and excitement that Islam is on the rise in Ireland.

    Totally weird stuff going on. Totally weird.
    It's basically exotic fetishism. Catholicism is drab, old hat etc. Islam is new and exciting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,479 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    kenmm wrote: »
    If we are taking about a complete change as in secularism, great. I misunderstood because you mentioned the looking sullen about Christianity in decline.

    I don't think or fear we will turn into some mass Islamic nation, so it's not a concern. It's not hard to become 'the fastest growing' because most religions are in decline.

    And most Muslims I know, it's not like they are out there trying to convert people en mass, is it? Most would do their practice and get on with life in private.



    Edit: I just noticed you said it was a year ago, sorry!

    Edit 2: is the slow rate of decline in Christianity non organic because a bunch of Spanish or Italians moved here? ie would we have a lot less Christianity had we not allowed other Christians to move? If the true organic destiny for Ireland is secularism, then we should stop any religion no? Where does it end?

    I think we are getting completely off topic here, happy to discuss elsewhere.

    You are making too much of my 'sullen' comment. No, secularism is on the rise in Ireland organically, and how come RTE are't reporting on that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭cyllyn28


    kenmm wrote: »
    Go on, I'll bite then. What lies?


    I'd like to tell you about the lies.........but as you've seen....I have been "advised" not to post again on this thread..........Because I might say something dangerous.


    The conservative fat knacker way of life, is the best way of life.....Criticism of how this conservative fat knacker way of life, is endlessly parasitic....how they need to feed, literally suck the the life blood, of the people who finance the conservative eye rolling, headshaking, worthless Ballykissangel conservative stink mick way of life.


    kenmm;.....I would like to tell you the truth.......But you will have to find out the truth yourself...The conservative stink micks do not want you to know.....And they're about to remove my account......Because what I have to say is dangerous to their conservative "way of life"........


    Good night


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    cyllyn28 wrote: »
    I'd like to tell you about the lies.........but as you've seen....I have been "advised" not to post again on this thread..........Because I might say something dangerous.


    The conservative fat knacker way of life, is the best way of life.....Criticism of how this conservative fat knacker way of life, is endlessly parasitic....how they need to feed, literally suck the the life blood, of the people who finance the conservative eye rolling, headshaking, worthless Ballykissangel conservative stink mick way of life.


    kenmm;.....I would like to tell you the truth.......But you will have to find out the truth yourself...The conservative stink micks do not want you to know.....And they're about to remove my account......Because what I have to say is dangerous to their conservative "way of life"........


    Good night

    I hope you can make some peace with what troubles you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I think we are getting completely off topic here, happy to discuss elsewhere.

    You are making too much of my 'sullen' comment. No, secularism is on the rise in Ireland organically, and how come RTE are't reporting on that.

    Ye fair enough. I did pick up on the sullen - I thought you were pushing Christianity over other religions - they can all take a jump as far as I am concerned!

    And yes - there are other forums more suited to this so will leave it there as it is pushing the topic here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    cyllyn28 wrote: »
    Yes....because once we get a critical mass of strong armed Islamic refugees...We can wiped out subzidised, worthless, conservative parasitic Ireland, in just a few days....Promise the boys they'll get a farm....They get a farm, we get to stop paying subsidies....and the diseaed infection of conservative worthless beggar people can be removed from Irish government.....

    If you really are gay then you'll be one of the ones wiped out first. Islam is very intolerant of homosexuality [intolerant in the burn them alive, drop them head first off tall buildings way. ]Islam taking over Ireland is the last thing gays in Ireland should want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭8kczg9v0swrydm


    I would defund RTE in a heartbeat. It has a massive slant in reporting - basically, if leftist-liberal Irish Times had a TV station, it would be RTE.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    I would defund RTE in a heartbeat. It has a massive slant in reporting - basically, if leftist-liberal Irish Times had a TV station, it would be RTE.

    I'm genuinely curious tho (I don't watch it much).. does it have such a massive slant (some if the posts suggest otherwise)?

    And if it does, wouldn't it be better to correct the bias? Similarly to how the BBC have structures in place to prevent bias?

    I mean I think I would still rather have public service broadcasting that is fair than none at all, because as a percentage of tax take it really costs feck all in the grand scheme of things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    BBC is almost as biased and real balance went out the window a decade ago or more.

    E.g. the bbc views on Brexit and climate change is not up for any debate either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,592 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    kenmm wrote: »
    I'm genuinely curious tho (I don't watch it much).. does it have such a massive slant (some if the posts suggest otherwise)?

    And if it does, wouldn't it be better to correct the bias? Similarly to how the BBC have structures in place to prevent bias?

    I mean I think I would still rather have public service broadcasting that is fair than none at all, because as a percentage of tax take it really costs feck all in the grand scheme of things.

    In this relatively short thread RTE has been accused of being both conservative and left wing.

    Public Service Broadcasting that is fair and accountable can indeed be achieved if the right structures are put in place.

    The cost is as you say relatively small. If we went for the direct taxation funded model most people would not notice the difference.

    That's not to say there should be overspending or wastage which can be eliminated by having proper controls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭DrSerious3


    elperello wrote: »
    In this relatively short thread RTE has been accused of being both conservative and left wing.

    Public Service Broadcasting that is fair and accountable can indeed be achieved if the right structures are put in place.

    The cost is as you say relatively small. If we went for the direct taxation funded model most people would not notice the difference.

    That's not to say there should be overspending or wastage which can be eliminated by having proper controls.

    It is clearly left wing. Look at the debates it has on immigration (none) climate change (none) coronavirus restrictions (none). Look at the criticism of BLM movement allowed on RTE (none). Mention of Roderic O Gorman scandal? (None) The list is endless. If you were to look at the political affiliation of the newsteam in RTE, I suspect you would find a lot of left wing champagne socialists (the type who like to keep loads of their own money though)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    BBC is almost as biased and real balance went out the window a decade ago or more.

    E.g. the bbc views on Brexit and climate change is not up for any debate either.

    It's factually incorrect to say this. It's a well worn trope by certain groups to spread the word that the BBC are biased m, and when you look around they are often accused of so called bias by opposing sides.

    So why does this happen? Because being neutral is simply *not* left or right wing. Therefore it's pretty obvious why someone (in this case the governing party, which is mostly right wing) would target something that is not right wing.

    We should fight to keep these institutions and fight to maintain there neutrality so that no matter who is in power we get a fair service. If you choose only to listen to news that supports your own views, then go for it.


    It's interesting that often the 'problem' cited is that the service is biased, but the 'solution' is to go full on and kill the entire service. Why not explore ways to solve the original problem?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    DrSerious3 wrote: »
    It is clearly left wing. Look at the debates it has on immigration (none) climate change (none) coronavirus restrictions (none). Look at the criticism of BLM movement allowed on RTE (none). Mention of Roderic O Gorman scandal? (None) The list is endless. If you were to look at the political affiliation of the newsteam in RTE, I suspect you would find a lot of left wing champagne socialists (the type who like to keep loads of their own money though)

    Again, if journalistic integrity is the problem (and it's a pretty big accusation as a lot if journalists take ethics seriously), then we should be aiming to make sure they leave their own personal views at the door if they are going to work for a neutral organisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    The RTE website makes the Guardian look like the National Review


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    The RTE website makes the Guardian look like the National Review

    So if that is the case, why would we (the public) want to get rid of the entire organisation instead of tackling that bias head on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    It's actually a bit like cancel culture, no?

    Which is a little ironic as normally more conservative types would mock such a notion, but in this case it's all good?

    Someone telling us that we must cancel rte?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    What are the chances of clearing out the mgmt of RTE to that extent. There isn't much of a track record in corporate reform and taking a broom to public institutions in this country.

    More expedient to let it rot itself down at this stage. Life is too short.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the people whinging about bias aren't actually concerned about bias, but simply want a propaganda machine to parrot their views.
    both the bbc and rte are neutral organisations, they are already not allowed to engage in bias via the controls in place and quite rightly.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    the people whinging about bias aren't actually concerned about bias, but simply want a propaganda machine to parrot their views.
    both the bbc and rte are neutral organisations, they are already not allowed to engage in bias via the controls in place and quite rightly.

    That's why I ask the direct question.

    I know the powers that be want rid of BBC because they don't support them (they can't, they are neutral!).

    But the average man in the street still goes on about bias.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    What are the chances of clearing out the mgmt of RTE to that extent. There isn't much of a track record in corporate reform and taking a broom to public institutions in this country.

    More expedient to let it rot itself down at this stage. Life is too short.

    Cancel culture at its best.

    Don't like it. Canceled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    kenmm wrote: »
    Cancel culture at its best.

    Don't like it. Canceled.

    Not at all. You keep watching away all you like to your hearts content.
    I don't have to put up with it. We are both free to chose. Thats the difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Not at all. You keep watching away all you like to your hearts content.
    I don't have to put up with it. We are both free to chose. Thats the difference.

    I don't watch it much, but don't want to see an end to public broadcasting.

    It seems you don't watch either, but you want it gone completely because there is 'too much bias'*.

    Sounds like a form of cancel culture to me.


    (*And that's us working from what is already a shaky viewpoint, even this thread shows both left and right complaining about bias - can it be biased both ways?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    The punters are voting with their feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    kenmm wrote: »
    I don't watch it much, but don't want to see an end to public broadcasting.

    It seems you don't watch either, but you want it gone completely because there is 'too much bias'*.

    Sounds like a form of cancel culture to me.


    (*And that's us working from what is already a shaky viewpoint, even this thread shows both left and right complaining about bias - can it be biased both ways?)

    Why should we be made pay to watch something we don't watch...

    Go full private sector, let the market decide if it has a future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Why should we be made pay to watch something we don't watch...

    Go full private sector, let the market decide if it has a future.




    you aren't made to pay something you don't watch, you are made to pay for having a device capable of receiving a terrestrial television signal, for which the revenue raised happens to go to something you don't watch. there is a difference.
    go full private sector, let the market decide if it has a future, is not viable due to plurality issues, for which there needs to be a state owned media operation to counteract agendas.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Why should we be made pay to watch something we don't watch...

    Go full private sector, let the market decide if it has a future.

    Because the market is naturally biased.
    It's good to have a mixture of information sources. Having an unbiased source is good in general. As well as other activities that fall under the remit of public broadcasting (Irish language programming, educational, probably loads others) that are genuinely helpful for society, but wouldn't be supported by a free market.


    It not about 'me' necessary, but for the greater good. We pay for lots of sh!t via taxation that we never individually use, this one is cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    you aren't made to pay something you don't watch, you are made to pay for having a device capable of receiving a terrestrial television signal, for which the revenue raised happens to go to something you don't watch. there is a difference.
    go full private sector, let the market decide if it has a future, is not viable due to plurality issues, for which there needs to be a state owned media operation to counteract agendas.

    I understand that, fair point.

    But my opinion of RTE is based on my personal experience of how utterly unprincipled the organisation has been over a long period of time and as such I resent that I am legally obliged to fund what is to me an organisation that is devoid of accountability, balance and integrity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I understand that, fair point.

    But my opinion of RTE is based on my personal experience of how utterly unprincipled the organisation has been over a long period of time and as such I resent that I am legally obliged to fund what is to me an organisation that is devoid of accountability, balance and integrity.




    it's not devoid of balance though, it is fully balanced because if it wasn't then it would be made to be so rather quickly.
    a biassed unbalanced rte would not be tolerated by any of the political parties.
    to be honest i don't like paying the tv license either, nor do i like paying property and all of the other stealth taxes.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    Invidious wrote: »
    Plenty of people in their 70s are successfully watching content on Netflix, Sky, and other platforms.

    Your image of poor auld Biddy who will be cut off from the world unless everyone in the country keeps handing RTE €160 a year doesn't wash. It's tugging at people's heartstrings in order to keep them forking over the cash, a strategy that RTE itself has perfected over the years.

    Next flick app is attached to many newer TVs now , isn’t it ? Many people have some form of iPad or whatever similar brands , so with a special lead they can hook to the the big tv . Getting around Netflix is fool proof . Think we are not giving auld people enough credit in their ability to adapt or like new technology

    Christ , the 70 year olds of today have seen it all when it comes to all the changes in modern world. They have adopted and saw everything , the ya re well able to adapt to laptops . They literally were around to witnessed nearly all the major changes in technology and communication .Let’s give them some credit

    Do we need two tv stations ? Maybe if done right

    RTÉ 1 for the serious adult content - current affairs , news, sport and winning streak ���� and Late Late show (it still has its place ) and documentaries

    RTÉ 2 - for kids (they were way better than the British for kids tv bar the weekends) , teens and up to 30 somethings (most of them should be fecking at work)

    Content : sport - more the better, something RTÉ have a talent for , their pundits For the GAA , Horse racing (Ted Walsh , Tracey Piggott n Robert Hall) soccer (league of Ireland (Roddy Collins Lol) UCL and EPL ) and Rugby (least with Hookey, Popey n McGuirk) use to get people tuned in for their headline making cracks as much as the sport itself which was also aired in British stations . Even their Olympics coverage was good - even Peter Collins was good if stuck for late late night tv (he gets a lot of stick) . Granted today’s pundits can be a bit bland especially with Joanne Cantwell running Joe Brolly out the door (she knows her stuff and some won’t miss Joe) or Eamonn doing packing it in but the racing folk got some good replacements (Ruby is hardly a replacement but he merits a presence but the others are good too)

    Between them and TG4 let them share the GAA club games held in October winter months , likewise league of Ireland (stuff is on times people are in pub so the whingers won’t watch anyway )

    I note some will point out that Eir Sport is accessible to many , but it the costs of broadcasting aren’t prohibitive , still broadcast as some don’t have that station


    the odd dramas like Ordinary People /love hate/ pure mule ie Irish stuff . We do have the actors , directors and writing talent (well, they dominate some of the current big British made dramas right now as we speak eg Peaky Blinders) Try and do more Irish sketch shows but give them free reign to be funny and controversial (but don’t hire the old usual suspects ) Soupey Norman was funny in parts . Bull island was so funny that the guberment of the day banned them - you all get what I’m saying , I’m sure many did like the shows I listed , I didn’t , they were just examples

    It be no harm in having a music charts show like they use to in the 1990- early 2000s (I know chart music is soo 90s) or be controversial and do what TV3 did in the early 2000s with a text in for music videos late at night - MTV itself has forgotten what they use to be and the subscription music stations like VH1 and q (that still going ?) have gone to the dogs - have things gone that bad that YouTube has swallowed up that market too ? Genuine question

    Surprisingly a lot of people from the 1980-1990s who watched Home and Away still watch it . RTÉ always seemed to get the latest show before the British too

    As for RTÉ televising East Enders ? Why ? Most Irish have BBC . Fair City has ran its course

    Other US imported stuff ? Don’t know, thing was there was a time when RTe would get the big shows before the British but maybe Netflix et all has changed things . Do getting film rights cost much ? Traditionally RTÉ were good at putting on a good film most weeks . Christmas tv schedule last year was bad though

    Historically when RTÉ teamed up with BBC and BBC NI they produced some great tv dramas so their is justification for them

    What to drop ? Ideally the crap on midday that have 3-5 presenters . I know they have to cater for the retired and the house wife but come on

    Funny thing about the over payed presenters is, many of them are just piss poor and not likeable . I wonder would there be so much whinging if they genuinely (Miriam cough) were any good ?

    The likes of Joe Duffy (I know he still commands an audience ) should be giving his marching orders , least from tv. What on earth does Des Cahill bring to the table ? Ryan Tubridity went off to Blighty for a summer to do BBC and they didn’t bring him back. We have seen Pat Kenny flop on tv for two independent stations doing what he was strong at (his radio show is fine)


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